/lit/ - Literature

Life is a cope

>>18421163
yeah

>>18421163
All religion is a cope

>>18421163
Everything is cope

>>18421163
No also not literature, fuck off.

not cope, acceptance.
>in b4 cope

>>18421163
the buddhist thinks that by his self-effort, his actions, dharma understanding and practices he can purify himself of craving-attachments to transcend contingent reality and uncondition himself into some blissful-eternal-state-of-being never to return to samsara and suffering.
Basically picking yourself up by your metaphysical bootstraps and flinging yourself into heaven. But this is self-refuting within buddhism since buddhism denies the very existence of an abiding self (who or what can ''realize'' nirvana eternally then?) and claims the ultimate goal (nirvana) isn't contingent or causable, meaning it isn't caused by any path or practice. So the 8fold path, the 4 noble truths, all the wisdom and practices are kind of pointless because the ultimate goal is beyond the grasp of anything within contingent phenomenal reality; it's not something you can cause to be realized, you can't ''part'' the clouds of delusion sufficiently, like following a recipe and there isn't even a cook there to bring the ingredients together and experience the final product, since buddhism teaches anatta (non-self), if man is a bundle of contingent phenomena there is nothing that exists long enough to ''realize'' the unconditioned state (nirvana) eternally, since he is a transient phenomena that changes moment to moment.
Because they don't postulate an eternal soul there is nothing there to ''realize'' nirvana eternally, because they ignore God they must rely on their own self-power to transcend the contingent world, but all their powers are contingent and transitory so the mission is futile from the start. At best it will give you some temporary peace of mind ,, stoic tier ethics and better posture. But will eventually lead to disappointment and nihilism after 25 years you realize you still aren't enlightened and all that meditation just reinforces the feeling of emptiness pervading your inadequate worldview.

>>18421242
?
I thought Nirvana wasn't eternal

>>18421163
Everything that isn't Buddhism is a cope

>>18421248
>I thought Nirvana wasn't eternal
If Nirvana wasn't eternal then you'd eventually experience samsara and suffering again and the buddhist path would not offer a permanent solution to suffering.

Buddha said regarding nirvana: There is, bhikkhus, a not-born, a not-brought-to-being, a not-made, a not-conditioned. If, bhikkhus, there were no not-born, not-brought-to-being, not-made, not-conditioned, no escape would be discerned from what is born, brought-to-being, made, conditioned. But since there is a not-born, a not-brought-to-being, a not-made, a not-conditioned, therefore an escape is discerned from what is born, brought-to-being, made, conditioned.
—Itivuttaka

>>18421280
Why are you calling it eternal then

>>18421242
Buddhism is a methodology bro, it's not some super detailed description of everything. If you try to pick it apart, then there are plenty of ways to do so. The point isn't to pick it apart, it is to live in a virtuous way and attain Nirvana.

>>18421242
>>18421280
Some schools hold that it is, and once you're "out" you're "out" and you stay "out". Others hold that because Nirvana is a transcendent (I'm using this term loosely) state beyond the reckoning of those "in" Samsara that it can be permanent but it's also possible to leave it (for whatever reason). The Theravada in particular say that no, it's permanent. The Mahayana are divided, but the vast majority hold that even though Nirvana isn't permanent you can't fall back into Samsara unless you want to (again, why, who the fuck knows).

>>18421305
I thought Therevada thought it wasn't eternal nor annihilation

>>18421242
>waaah if it's not theology it's nihilism
Looks like we got ourselves a bible to break

>>18421310
The Theravada hold that Nirvana does have a Self-Essence (it's one of the few things that does, I believe Space is one of the few others), and as such it can actually be permanent.

The Mahayana (and by "Mahayana" I mean "the Madhyamaka" which is like 99.99% of today's Mahayana) however holds that even Nirvana lacks a Self-Essence. It's impermanent, but HOW it's impermanent is the key. It changes, but again, HOW it changes is the key. Remember, Nirvana is a state of continuity with your current Samsaric existence, and you're always in flux, but you couldn't spontaneously grow wings or teleport to Mars. Likewise, just because Nirvana is impermanent and in a state of flux doesn't (necessarily, again it varies school to school) mean that you could suddenly "drop out" of Nirvana back into Samsara.

>>18421293
That quote clearly puts nirvana outside the realm of created, transient and contingent things. The point of buddhism is to offer a permanent solution to the problem of suffering, not a temporary sedative.

>>18421299
Buddhism has presuppositions, a worldview and metaphysical claims you can critique.

>>18421318
>if it's not theology it's nihilism
all attempts to ground meaning without God fail because lies cannot persist in place of truth.

>>18421242
>ut will eventually lead to disappointment and nihilism after 25 years you realize you still aren't enlightened and all that meditation just reinforces the feeling of emptiness pervading your inadequate worldview.
Pure projection

>>18421373
>all attempts to ground meaning without God fail because lies cannot persist in place of truth.
You're lying right now thomist tranny