/lit/ - Literature

>>18452856
How did Christians beat Vikings then?

>>18452856
And thanks to 4chan he will now became the most influential philosopher among autistic teenagers. AWESOME!

>>18452862
By being mightier

>>18452862

They got stronger. It took the Vikings and other aggressive types to get Christianity into something remotely resembling fighting shape.

>>18452856
I beat Redbeard in a bareknuckle boxing match and I think he's wrong. So who's right?

>>18452864
Philosophy has always and will always be for incel nerd virgins. Nietzche and shopenhauer were low t faggots.
You really think Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great or Tamerlane or Attila the Hun gave a shit about philosophy or ideas? They fought, lusted and killed which is what man is supposed to do
The whole concept of thinking in itself is womanly. Men are supposed to be driven wholly by instinct and passion

>>18452886
You'd be proving his point right
Redbeard wins again

>>18452889
Why are you even here instead of raping and killing them? Retard.

>>18452886
him because you're correct because you beat him

>>18452889
Alexander the Great got tutored by Aristotle

>>18452862
By being the faith of multiple empires and warrying kingdoms, retard

>>18452900
>>18452915
Thinking is the most unmanly and unnatural thing in existence.
None of the heroes of old "thought" or meditated on reality or cared about philosophy and free will. They fucked, they fought, they killed and they died. Thats what life is supposed to be.

Evola-tier interpretation of Nietzsche

>>18452865
>>18452876
You miss the point. The author constantly attacks Christianity for being meek and exalts Vikings for being badass.

Plato and many Greeks believe poetry and Writingia for faggots and Something women do, high T males don’t need to write because they simply live the right way. Their writings are few and far between so when they do put stuff down in paper it’s usually hundreds of years apart. And it always destroys whatever is happening in any culture or philosophy instantly.

This is literally how Thrasymachus fucked up while arguing with Socrates.

You fuckers didn't even study with the Scythians did ya'?

>>18452862
We have God on our side

>>18453089
>we
>implying you took part in it
>implying you would last a single second against the weakest viking

>>18453053
Plato wrote tons of stuff though

>>18452856
>a book that BTFOs every single political, philosphical and spiritual idea that has ever or will ever come into existence
Huge, if true.

Weird cover.
Shows a Pict as strong despite them being completely destroyed by the Scots.

>>18452894
>>18452905
Yeah, but I said he was wrong, and I beat him, and that makes me right.

>>18452862
They didn't.

>>18452922
Don't worry anon, I was 16 once too

>>18453049
It's sadly more complicated than that and this is something I dislike in the book. Christianity allowed for higher degree of centralisation. You can move a little bit away from Scandinavia into Russia, and there, Vladimir first tried to reform the paganism of the slavs into something that was more centralised, we can suspect that the starting point was a myriad of small family cults a'la The Ancient City with few major deities that weren't of particular importance in everyday life. So Vladimir has built a temple for public worship, with the chief deities as sculptures in there. However it seems this was not catching up and he couldn't get control over the religious side of the society and just decided that it's time for baptism. Since especially early on the church must have heavily depended on the ruler, he had some extent of control over it, as opposed to the old family and local cults. This greater degree of political centralisation allowed the subsequent rulers to entrench themselves in power and build stronger states, more capable of dealing with international threats. You can see the parallel at the end of the crisis of the 3rd century, where many subsequent emperors tried to promote henotheistic cult of Sol Invictus until Constantine just gave up on it and became Christian, achieving the same goal of centralisation of power, where the chief religious structure was heavily dependent on the emperor.

That being said, while organisationally Christianity was superior, the message of it can be interpreted, and these days is interpreted rather meekly. Sure earthly law is different than heavenly law, so the dogma that we are all equal in Jesus Christ doesn't necessarily imply egalitarianism, but it allows the presupposition, while it seems that most pagans in Europe had at least soft caste systems and believed in fundamental inequality between men, so by design you couldn't possibly argue for it as a pagan. There are parallel issues with other moral, you could say, aspects - recognition of right of conquest, moral particularism etc. Christianity is capable of integrating these into its theology, but it also can do the opposite.

So in many ways paganism appears to be far more fail-safe mechanisms, preventing it from sliding into pozz to put it this way, while Christianity doesn't, and of course for many hundreds of years Christianity was "based", thus it just used the structural advantage it had to help with formation of stronger states, which then gained competitive advantage in international politics, extending their influence. In other words, they continued speaking the language of might. It is however safe to say that the modern Christianity is at the very least straying away from that path if it's not gone from it for decades already.

>>18454238

Just a little addendum:
While I do feel empathetic for pagan restorationism, I think the religions are basically lost and the chain of traditions broken, so sadly just saying "let's be pagan again" won't solve these issues, I'm afraid.

>>18452922
cringe bait

>>18454012
>>18454286
>t.

>>18453049
You miss the point. The author is advocating Christian Anarcho-Socialism, it has nothing to do with vikings or Paganism or whatever bugbear you want to rant about this week.

>>18452886
Arthur Desmond/Jack London by virtue of being a Christian Anarcho-Socialist.

Does this book mean slavery is justified since if I enslave someone they are weaker than me and that’s all that matters?

>>18454548
yes

>>18452862
They didn't. They converted them.

Slave morality can be quite mighty.

>>18454578
Based

>>18453477
>>18454589
Cope, there are no Vikings left.

>>18455012
Unzip my trousers to find a counterpoint.

>>18454012
If he is wrong, prove it. Otherwise get your ad hominems out of here because that 16 year old kid is smarter than you.

>>18455296
> Unzip my trousers to find a counterpoint.
> counterpoint
> point
yup, a tiny point.

>>18452856
so might can make 1+1=2? Incredible!

>>18452856
>how did he do it bros?
by being an antisocial sociopath

>>18455012
False.

>>18452856
So might can make 2+2=5? Incredible!

>>18452889
>Men are supposed to be driven wholly by instinct and passion
Meanwhile, in reality that's how every woman acts

>>18455621
Most women have been manlier than most men for the last thousand or so years. This is the problem.

>>18453473
and the fact that it makes you right, proves that redbeard is right

>>18455566
Did you even read 1984?

>>18455566
It made 2+2=4, why can't it make 2+2=5?

>>18455566
Sure.
2=2.5,
2 + 2 = 5.

>>18452922
Lmao

>>18455413
You’re a an absolute retard if you really believe that Alexander the Great, one of the greatest tacticians to ever live, pupil of ARISTOTLE, didn’t think

>>18452889
This nigga said Alexander the Great didnt think

>>18455789
To be fair, he was poisoned fairly young. Not much foresight there.

>>18453117
Yes, in Phaedo I believe

- Near his death he reveals that he started to write more, poetry and other stories because of the voices he was hearing or entities he was encountering in his dreams.

Plato, in his own opinion may have still held onto the belief that poetry was feminine, but ultimately as we can see his voices/instincts dominate.

>>18453070
Thrasymachus didn't fuck up, Socrates has to agree to disagree because he can't show Thrasymachus as wrong. The fact that he couldn't do this made him so assblasted that he created the entire allegory of The Republic only to still not be able to show Thrasymachus as wrong.

>>18452856

the book was most likely a parody by a jonathan swift type person

using the logic of might is right, rape is okay and slaughtering people indiscriminately is okay

what a dumb moral system!

only laveyan satanist retards and neo-nazi retards think the philosophy of might is right is a rational system.
stalin i guess was right since he defeated hitler using the moral system of might is right

>>18452889
>>18452922
>Men are supposed to be driven wholly by instinct and passion
>They fucked, they fought, they killed and they died. Thats what life is supposed to be
Who is the one supposing?

>>18455733
Thats a beautiful quote

>>18456297
>only laveyan satanist retards and neo-nazi retards think the philosophy of might is right is a rational system.
Nerds care about rationality and logic
Might is right is an inherently irraitonal instinctual book that doesn't work with your modernist frame of ultimate science logic and rationality

>>18456297
>rational systems
And how many of them have there been? Hundreds? Worthless.

>>18452889
Have you never heard of the Greeks

>>18453037
So it's worth reading then?

>>18455979
>Socrates has to agree to disagree because he can't show Thrasymachus as wrong.
Thrasymachus was destroyed at every point in the argument. Socrates never agreed to disagree on anything, that was Thrasymachus when he blushed and couldn't continue to defend his argument.

>>18455979
A shepherd is only a good shepherd insofar as he takes good care of his flock, no? A ruler is only a good ruler insofar as he rules well? Likewise, if a ruler is just (ie, rules well), his strength will become greater due to the heightened unity of a loyal and strong state. A ruler who does not rule well and seeks exclusively his own personal advantage is weakened due to the resultant division and discontent among his subjects. Might makes right defeats itself, Plato's conclusion here is that, instead, right (although in more than the naive sense) makes might. If you BAP retards just acknowledged this, you could use Plato to come to much superior conclusions, which don't involve giving in to the modern bastardizations of justice under the titles of liberalism, socialism, etc.

>>18456297
Rational systems are founded on might. We didn't just get to rationality without slaughtering Neanderthals and suppressing barbarians.

>>18452856
>>18453070

>>18452916
Nigger

>>18453037
evola wrote an entire book resoonding to Nietzsche that was nothing like this you mong. Might is right is what retards think Evola is

>>18455566
Pseud reply