/lit/ - Literature

>>18539864
Excellent question OP.
The reason people would want to read my book is that it will fill the huge gap of lacking hard sci-fi post apocalyptic novels. Everything in the post apocalyptic genre written nowadays is full of zombies or aliens or some other shit, and the rest is some kind of magic infused bullshit that's unreadable to anyone with a sliver of skepticism.
It won't be for everyone, but who the hell wants to read a book that's meant for everyone?

>>18539898
>The reason people would want to read my book is that it will fill the huge gap of lacking hard sci-fi post apocalyptic novels
There’s dozen of those on Amazon, so again, why would someone want to read your book?

can only write things that are ~1200 words or ~20000 words, what can you do with those?

>>18539916
pls recommend if so. I can't seem to find any other than the classics.
>roadside picnic
>the road
>death of grass
>canticle for liebowitz
>Riddley Walker

You got anything good?
Ok, another reason is that it has a setting and plot that i think people who like post apocalyptic shit are gonna love.
But please give advice to more hard sci fi post apocalypse than the ones listed above.

What are some comfy small publishing houses that do nonfiction and accept unsolicited manuscript submissions?

>>18539961
Have you tried googling it?

>>18539864
https://pastebin.com/XyUeSMD1
Something I’ve been working on.

I have a list of a few story ideas on my phone, but I don't really know how to flesh them out. They're generally stupid ideas, but I know when you're starting out you should write anything to practice, but I don't know how to flesh out a really really loose idea into a story.

Example (this is a really stupid idea, no hate please, this is just stuff to get me to write):
Sloth wants to join a band but can't play bass quick enough. Finds a sludge metal band to play with.

How would you flesh this out?

>>18539980
>sloth wants to join a band but can't play bass quick enough. Finds a sludge metal band to play with.
lol...

>>18539964
Shut up.

>>18539964
have you tried answering the fucking question?

>>18539964
Rude, if you don't want to answer, then don't

>>18540024
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>>18540036
Not even five seconds on google.

>>18540014
I know, but again this is just a writing exercise, I don't think this is a good idea but the note file just has a load of jumping off points to get me writing.

>>18539967
It seems a bit... rushed. Not nessecarily that you haven't been over things several times but rather that you're explaining what's happening and events are taking place very quickly, which gives me the feeling that you as a writer want to get to the juicy parts rather than that this is a pace you wanna have throughout your... novel or whatever format you're thinking of.
You are sometimes using redundant descriptions like "the street was so busy, cars were constantly honking" or whatever you wrote about the street near the second apartment. I'd advise you to instead go into detail and describe the walk to the second apartment, where the reader gets to experience the gradual increase in background noise and honking and perhaps have a small revelation for the MC when he realises that busy street is the one his potential new apartment is on.

>>18540069
>how do i flesh this out

Starting scene: his hand is getting stiff from trying to do the riffs so fast, and he's simultaneously getting warmer and starting to sweat since he's feeling embarassed that he can't play the riff properly.
He notices the other band members are glancing at him and at eachother and... maybe he just endures through one song while not playing all the notes... then either they go "yeah i don't think this will work out" or the other way around. Awkward situation, and here you can decide on if they're nice guys or not, but either way he goes home disillusioned, considering quitting music.
THen! plot point 1: Some friend shows him a sludge metal song he really likes and says it's a local band that are gonna have a gig.

bla bla bla

Somehow, either they're lacking a bassist or he just decides to start a sludge metal band
Insert some side story about a chick he wants to impress and voila - you've fleshed out your story.

>>18540043
Mamma Mia

>>18540043
you wrote some text into MS Paint, good job. Still haven't helped anyone

>>18540130
Yeah okay, I see that. I think my problem is that I'm trying too hard to make my outline something crazy unique or interesting when I should just have it make logical sense and go from there.

I think people would like to read my book because it is a portrait of how quickly your life can unravel if you fight back against the modern world.

>>18539864
Someone would want to read my book because it is well written with strong characters and gripping character arcs.
The flavor of the novel is blood meridian although it isn’t as bleak
At least that’s what I’d say if I was selling it. And those are my goals with my current novella

one of my dreams is writing a terrifying, mysterious character. even dialogues make you feel anxiety. someone powerful but in the background, an observer.
God I wish.

>>18540145
Keep telling yourself that. Literally five second search.

>>18540149
why make a crazy outline for an assignment? Making something really good out of an ordinary outline is where the true talent lies. Just look at Tjechov and Dostoyevsky.

>>18540185
Nothing is stopping you except the person you see in the mirror.

>>18540145
Bro...

>>18539864
>Why would someone want to read your book?
Because it's well written and tells one story of the Afghan War.

>>18540197
This is why /wg/ is shit. People here don’t even want to do the bare minimum. They all want it handed out to them.

>>18540197
>phone screen cap generator

nice try, but yeah a lot of effort into shitposting desu.

>>18540149
oh and here's the plot twist in the end: he has a date with the girls after she sees him perform and you know all that shit. But then - he doesn't show up. Why? Cause he's a fuckin sloth and thinks that it's too much of a fuss to go on a date.

>>18540199
Post an excerpt.

>>18540217
Jesus Christ, all of this effort just so you don’t do it yourself?

>>18539864
If you enjoy historical fantasy then I got the book for you. Set in a slightly more familiar setting then i got the book for you. That would be my pitch if I ever want to actually publish what I write.

How to write a likable pseudo "stacy" character? Dialogue is stumping me, why did I have to pick this one character as my main one.

>>18540453
make her cum orgasm when she puts in a tampon like a good slut and her pussy gets wet from it

>>18540485
I'm being serious, the juxtaposition inside joke is too good to let it pass up

>>18540489
ok. make her cum orgasm when she puts in a tampon like a good slut and her pussy gets wet from it

>>18540453
post an excerpt. something tells me it'll be retarded.

>>18540504
No, I'm embarrassed about it now, it's not "retarded", well it kind of is, but that's the point
I'm embarrassed, forget it

>>18540508
will the stacy put a tampon in her pussy and get wet and cum from it?

>>18540453
that chick from stranger things is a good example... you know, the anorectic jawy one. She starts off as a stacy but turns into a deccent character as the show goes on. Sorry for no lit advice but i couldn't think of anything else.

>>18540508
I'm just kidding. Post it, I've read cringier things, believe me. You're going to have to be able to take criticism sooner or later. Practice now imho.

>>18540508
POST IT POST IT POST IT POST IT

How do I know when I'm setting a scene as opposed to jacking myself off with prose?

Here's the ending to a chapter I'm trying to flesh out.

"He thought back to working with James and if he would ever do something like that. He thought about whether the death of his career was like the death of his father. He knew he needed to stop dwelling on it. James lost his job and Samuel thought about when he would lose others close to him : his mother would die before him, he could lose his friends, he might not obtain the chance to fall in love. He thought about his future and about employment and moving out and the milestones a man his age was supposed to reach. The moon set over the harbour and he looked up at it, and his eyes burned with anger, and anguish."

I like how it ends but I genuinely think I'm trying too hard. I have really only started to take writing seriously so if anyone could critique that small piece of prose or offer some advice about finding the balance between great prose and trying too hard, I would appreciate it.

>>18539864
>Why would someone want to read your book?
It's free, and uh, yeah, I guess that's all it has going for it. I guess if they watched/read legend of the galactic heroes novel/ovas it might pique their interest, and happen to like cute anime girls.

Today I'm doing research for Blackula. Here are some snacks and desserts that people eat in Africa

> malva pudding
> Moroccan shortbread cookies
> butter cookies (Egyptian ghorayebah)
> West African lime cake
https://insanelygoodrecipes.com/african-desserts/

> grenadella roll
> guava lollies
> goji berries
> dried mango, kumquat
https://www.driedfruitforafrica.co.za/shop/

>>18540036
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>>18540024
Go to some other hugbox faggot pandering website. Spoon feeding retards keeps them retarded

>>18540696
> Spoon feeding retards keeps them retarded
you say that like that's a bad thing

>>18540700
Sure homo, why dont we just edit everyones book for them while we're finding publishers to accept them. Shit, let's write the fucking book too.

>>18540714
Now, I’m glad we switch from the anime OP. Those threads were unhelpful, unlike threads of today. Do you want me to send you a google docs link? Or something?

Do you write sober? Lately I've experimented with writing on various kinds of (you won't believe this) marijuana and I'm nonplussed. I heard it was a known fact that grass increases creativity from 8 to 11 times but it didn't seem to help me along much at all. As much as it's a fun time it really doesn't do shit all for me Re: writing. Similarly, the dosage window for which shrooms are beneficial is very narrow for me. On top of that, the window itself 'moves' as it were, due to the process of attenuation that occurs as I attempt to get a feel for it. And furthermore, that the effects of repeated substance use (of any sort, really) over even a short-medium term are more cognitively deleterious than beneficial, and the whole thing seems like a fuckin' con. Am I being memed here? Is this all just a ploy by Big Hemp to trick me into subsidising my local dealer's lifestyle or something?

>>18540724
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>18540728
No, I write drunk. What a stupid question.

>>18540664
I could be wrong are some people's only reference of storytelling come from anime and light novels? Not saying it's you just I've seen a pattern in people's premises.

>>18540739
What's wrong with that? Let people write whatever they want.

>>18540724
>Now, I’m glad we switch from the anime OP.
Based.

So are people just reluctant on doing any amount of effort on their part and just come here expecting answers?

>>18540739
>are some people's only reference of storytelling come from anime and light novels?
On this website yeah, some anon in the last thread was plagiarizing gundam hard. I mean not a single ounce of originality. We need to weed those people out, they don't last, they're like the people who "want to make video games" because that's all they do, until they find out it's work.

>>18540764
>Expecting any person here to put in any amount of effort.
The weebs are the only ones who do it and anons are planning on removing them. I expect /wg/ to be the new /crit/ threads by the end of the year.

>>18540739
Feels like a loaded question. Maybe? I've read a few western novels myself here and there growing up. I was quite a bookworm growing up myself, non+fictions and fiction alike. Though nowadays there's not much literature in general that jumps out at me, so thus I'm writing something I want to read. that's my mantra and has always will be.

What would yall think of as a good way to have people fighting to the death without resorting to typical "death game" type plots?

I want to have people fight in giant robots, and there's really no good way to make it "non lethal" because you're shooting each other and hitting each other with giant fucking mechas. But I want to do it in a more sporty setting to justify the competition and ruleset.

I don't want to resort to hunger games or battle royal though where its people just dropped in the situation because it doesn't make sense for them to engineer a giant robot for this situation either.

Best I got is doing it for money/fame, but its hard to justify that when the vast majority of pilots are dying or being crippled in fights. And engineers and intelligent pilots aren't the type to go risk their lives punching things. I suppose you could introduce things like debt, but it feels silly to have a game based around a bunch of in-debt super intelligent engineers.

>>18540745
Reading outside of that can help writers. Manga artist draw from literature outside of their medium.

>>18540813
And what if they want to write something akin to anime and light novels?

>>18540840
Don’t bother with them. There are idiots here thinking they’ll write the next great novel here. It’s all delusion of grandeur on their part.

>>18540802
Could do the last resort route. Mech fights are hugely popular to viewers/ betting ventures but nobody wants to get shot at with 200mm rounds, but when you have gutter slum peasants that have a shot at money, fame, and a life they would never achieve else wise, the risk ain't too bad. Usually an area that was ravaged by war is a easy set up for "lots of people with no job, no local economy but have experience with heavy machinery due to being in the war"

>>18540891
I figure that's what I'll have to go with, or something similar. But I'm wanting something more like battlebot vibes where you have people who are watching these fights and are planning around their competition and what 'works' in the context of this fight.
And when you just get a bunch of poorfags it feels more high stakes and people desperate to eek out a living, rather than because they're passionate about the fights.

Right now I'm thinking of just saying fuck it, making it an honor and fame thing and people just don't give a fuck about dying because its a book and their passion outweighs their desire to live.

>>18540926
Most gladiators werent slaves. They were trained from a young age in wealthy families cause being a big name gladiator was big fame. Deaths happened in the games, but werent the norm (for the "big names"). Could mirror that

>>18540840
Then they can read light novels and other books. I'm suggesting not telling.

Can I get some feedback?
https://pastebin.com/XyUeSMD1

>>18540888
When did I say going to be some next great star quit the assumptions. If they want to write a light novel great but theres alot of other mediums they can get inspiration for their stories from.

>>18540745
Why don't they make an anime if they don't like novels, then? Would someone become a filmmaker if they didn't like movies?

>>18541116
Yeah, instead of writing a story in Microsoft Word, why don't they get an art studio to draw a full length cartoon and hire voice actors and a distribution company and a contract to run a certain amount of episodes

>>18541116
He mentioned light novels as well anime can also be a reference.

>>18541116
Because the cost difference is massive?
Plus anime is a dying medium.

>>18541132
That's exactly what I'm saying. They're using writing as an alternative. It's an insult to the medium of literature.

Anime has been my hobby since middle school, but so has reading, and I want to make a novel and not an anime. There's nothing wrong with writing about giant robots. There's something wrong with disliking the medium that you're creating in.

>>18541154
>Plus anime is a dying medium.
that's literature. Anime is still going strong.

>>18541161
Nooooo you can't adapt a story to a different medium
> Journey to the West
> Witcher
> LOTR

>>18541164
Books aren't dying anytime soon, and 50% of anime is just advertisements for LNs anyways ironically.

>>18541171
All of those are shit, compare to their novel counterparts.

>>18541161
That's not disliking the medium it's just taking ideas from a animation

>>18541175
LOTR is objectively better than the novels.

>>18541079
Bump

>>18541175
well that's just like your opinion man

>>18541180
Meh, NTA, but I found the anime adaption, The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim, to be better.

>>18541116
>Why don't they make an anime if they don't like novels
don't listen to
>>18541132

They would but they can't draw lol, they realize it's harder than it looks and quit. Weebs are only good at one thing, and that's watching cartoons.

>>18541200
Sounds like projecting on your part.

>>18541177
If someone never ever reads books but likes to write them, then they absolutely dislike the medium and are just using it as a surrogate for what they want to create in but can't. This is what I am talking about. It's the case with over half of young writers nowadays.

>>18541200
nta i get a pretty consistent 100-200 likes on most my drawings. nothing great but i'd say about intermediate.

wouldn't draw a manga though because yes the workload is massive in comparison to writing. a single one-shot in manga form takes months to make. Not only do i need to plot the story I need to draw every single panel and character, usually repeatedly. A single page takes conservatively a week.

Meanwhile I can shit out a one-shot story in a few days tops. A single night if I'm drunk and don't give a fuck.

>>18541247
I draw my own illustrations for my stories and one drawing definitely takes at least 2-3x as long as writing the corresponding section, and that's for a small drawing with no background and moderate detail and shading

>>18541215

Want to know something funny? Why don't weebs stay in /a/? I was about to say "They can easily go make a writing thread in /a/ writing a story and keeping it on topic" but I checked the rules and even weebs don't like you "Writing" weeb hybrids lol. Weebs are /pol/-posters lite in that they like to infect other boards with their "culture". Not everything needs to be drawn in anime like >>18541196
, that's an insult to Tolkien.

Weebs don't belong on /lit/ go to /jp/, what you guys are doing is writing fan-fic and disguising it as literature and that is against board rules. Even if the rules aren't enforced, and if you must stay, you belong in the science fiction general, because all you guys do is write about space.

Or better yet, make your own general.

>>18541277
Lots of words just to say you're seething. Try to be concise next time.

>>18541277
>Or better yet, make your own general
I miss when /wg/ had an anime pic. It basically was just a bunch of anime writers, writing.

>>18541277
Can you even name a single "anime" writing from /wg/

>>18541297
>Lots of words just to say you're seething. Try to be concise next time.

I write for pages, you write for pic related. We are not the same.

>>18541307
Legend of the-

Oops, sorry. Saga of the Cosmic Heroes.

>>18541319
Anon, this is just getting pathetic at this point.

>>18541216
The problem is not reading books, the problem is becoming the voice of what's happening. If we don't speak up, the only voices being amplified right now are the queers, trannies, feminists and blacks.

>>18541354
Those are the only ones getting published.

>>18541216
This is exactly what it is. They just want to be the creator of multimedia IPs and writing has the lowest barrier of entry. There’s absolutely no appreciation of literature there and even less love.
>>18541354
No, if you are a writer who is not well read, you have a huge problem

>>18541354
You can't become the voice of what's happening without reading books. The gatekeepers can sniff out those who don't read.

How many times am I supposed to try before giving up

>>18541498
Once.

What do you guys use for writing when you're away from home? I've been using my phone to email myself stuff so I can copy it to desktop, but phone typing isnt the most enjoyable.
Laptop? Pen & paper? Some weird tech alternative?

>>18541701
Only use one medium for writing. Your writing style changes if you switch. Back when the typewriter first came out, some authors noted that their prose became somewhat stilted.

>>18541717
That's more because they were unused to the medium as a whole.
Typewriters when they first came out were fancy and new, so people held them in some level of reverence and subconsciously acted differently with it.
e.g. if i give you a golden keyboard made of literal gold, you'd be typing on it a lot less and more gently than your normal shitty keyboard and that carries over to your writing. but if i switched you to a pen and paper you'd probably be writing fine after a bit.

>>18541735
Literally excuses.

>>18541701
Nothing. I used to write on spare recipe paper at work if I felt like writing chapter outlines but that was about it. I couldn't even begin to imagine the horror of writing on my phone's tiny-ass screen keyboard. I don't leave the house much outside of work, anyway.

>>18541701
I've had some success with voice to text apps, but it doesn't work if you're self conscious about people hearing you talk to yourself

>>18541277
Based dubs

Can I get some feedback?
https://pastebin.com/XyUeSMD1

>>18541740
says the guy who refuses to change writing mediums.

>>18541375
What books would actually teach me more about, or stimulate my mind about the future, in 2021?
>Globohomo owns all trad publishing

How do you weave theme into the plot?

>>18541753
That's not a bad idea, I have tons of down time in my truck during the work day and could talk to myself without being bothered/ caring about people being sketched out

>>18541779
Plenty of indie publishing houses. Search local. Build a name. Turn in good work

>>18541770
I see what you did there

>>18541837
Dude... do you have any fucking clue the personalities of these faggots at publishing houses? Fucking geeks, massive fucking beta males and fat chicks.
>You simply do not understand the culture of Vancouver. The most boring, queer-corporate culture.
If I were an angry black woman writing about how racist Canada is... I would have twenty people lined up to give me a book deal.
You.
Do.
Not.
Understand.
The.
Culture.
Here.

something short i wrote

Last night I had a dream about the forest fire. The red glow was beaming deep behind the treeline and set the sky ablaze. A pillar of smoke. The crisp smell of blackened wood. I bumped and scraped my bicycle past the unmoving traffic, my glasses once again fogged red with sweat and tears and taillights.

A faceless firefighter stood between me and the flames. Get out, he said. Back up. Go home, boy. I wanted to scream. The flames licked the wood and spat out crackling twigs, bellowed with laughter in a heat wave that burned my cheeks like a backhand slap. I have my cat, I wanted to say, to shout at him. She’s lost and she’s old.

In my sleep I grit my teeth and heaved with a dry throat.

The firefighter leveled his facelessness to mine. Go. Home. My ears were ringing. He grabbed my shoulders and shoved me, sending me tumbling down to my bicycle. She was afraid of noises. I thought about how the bursting wood must’ve scared her, eyes bulging, hairs standing, cornered by the vacuum cleaner, how she sunk her head and ears into my armpit, the hummingbird beating of her chest as I carried her away from the room. I felt her soft fur in my hands— The rubber handles pulled and grazed the skin of my palm.

Today, my wife taught me how to crush animal bone to fertilize plants.

Because people hunger for mysteries that are not 50s detective novels, or middle aged housewife preening about smal thefts, but decidedly high stakes Umineko-core

>>18541939
People here are still sucking traditional publishing when they should go to self-publishing.

>>18540802
Closed room mystery you dumb fuck. Have them do intellectual battling. Normal action scenes don't look good in novel format anyway

>>18541967
I watch the first 60 seconds of this girls video and apparently she's published 2 books, and they "slap", idk if that means it's good or not but, desu the traditional route seems better. I feel self-publishing is the easy way out to say you "put out" a book and she seems a little arrogant for doing so.

>"maybe she's a good writer?"
pic related is an excerpt, the covid teen books seem better than her.

>>18538903
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKV-cym4QfQ

Go traditional.

>>18541967
It is because being selected as an agent of globohomo is the dream of so many NPCs.

>>18542048
She could sell her panties, candles, drawings, comics... people aren't buying her shit because she's some icon of her generation. People buy her shit because she's a non-controversial, nice and pretty woman. Very, very, VERY basic and designed to please. There's no deep message here. There's no deep thinking behind this shit.
>That's what most people like, a constant state of "duhhhhh"

>>18542067
>>18542048
this guy says that an autistic chinaman, who is also a respected writer, selected her to be the voice of a generation. Is she Tao Lin's gf or former gf?

>>18541179

>>18542100
Did we collectively forget gamer gate? Female artists and creators are constantly using sex to get ahead.

>>18542100
>Savannah Brown is a poet and novelist born in Ohio and living in London. At age nineteen she self-published her debut poetry collection Graffiti which was a finalist in the Goodreads Choice Awards. Her first novel The Truth About Keeping Secrets was published in 2019 with Penguin Random House UK, which Kirkus called 'visceral, pitch-perfect', and Booklist called 'deliciously twisted'. Savannah's second poetry collection Sweetdark was published in 2020. i-D called her 'the poet articulating your deepest existential fears'. Her second novel The Things We Don't See is out on June 24th

>Graffiti - 100 pages
>Audio book - 9 hours
>la verità sul tenere segreti (Italian Edition) - 1432kb (whatever that means)
>Sweetdark - 66 pages
>The Truth About Keeping Secrets - 321 pages
>The Things We Don't See - 372 pages

3 books got reviews, ~200. I'd still rather get rejected and called shit by traditional publishers and /wg/ anons then go down this path.

>>18542155
forgot pic, at least she isn't over shilling by making them $10+.

>>18542155
>>18542160
Because you know you'll fail the self-publishing route as well.

>>18542165
This. You have no reason to fail the self-publishing route if others, less inform, can make it.

How do you weave theme into the plot??

>>18542194
what is your plot and what is your theme

>>18542194
If only there was a search engine to help you, anon.

>>18541952
I'm starting a 50s/60s detective novel but in a world with supernatural things that go unnoticed, vampires and werewolves and the likes, but with all the focus on the human half of the world. Like how humans deal with the aftermath of events from movies like Underworld or games like VtM havent nailed down exactly what time period though, so maybe I'll shift it more modern

>>18542155
She's a pretty girl. Do you know how easy it is for them to get published? Their social media builds itself. Like... do you not understand that trad publishing is about MAKING MONEY not releasing innovative writing?

>>18542200
yes because I definitely didn't want the opinion of people from this board, I just really wanted to know what some tumblr blogger chick thinks about the matter.

>>18542236
it'll be easier if you show us your story and theme and then we can help you do it, rather than talk about it in the abstract

As he was pondering what ultimately happened to Lupita, Seward overheard a frantic voice near the traditional African herbal medicine stand.

“Do you have anything else that treats wounds? My little Thomas got bitten on the neck a few days ago, and he isn’t getting better!”

Jabari stopped. A chill gripped his body and his heart pounded.

Another young Black woman rushed to the medicine stall.

“I need wild ginger. Do you have any?”

Jabari strolled over to the two women, without hurry, and nonchalantly set his basket down on the floor. He didn’t want to cause a panic.

“Dr. Achebe, good morning,” Jabari said to his friend. “How are you?”

“Oh, Dr. Seward, I’m afraid I have no time for gossip today,” Chimamanda the medicine woman replied. “It seems like every child in Whitby needs my wound medicine now.”

She then turned back to her two customers.

“I have some gota kola tea from South Africa,” she said. “It also treats wounds.”

“What sorts of wounds do your children have?” asked Dr. Seward. “Perhaps I can help.”

“My daughter got bitten on the neck last night,” said the second mother.

“My little Thomas did too!” said the first. “A few days ago, he came back home with a small wound on his beck. I cleaned it and bandaged it, but the wound isn’t healing.”

As Dr. Chimamanda Achebe measured out the herbs for the women, Dr. Seward made house call appointments with both women for the next day.

“Do you mind if my old teacher comes to the appointment too?” added Jabari. “Your children’s wounds will be of great interest to Dr. Van Hassain.”

>>18542235
Yeah whatever, I don't care desu, type "I'm published" in yt and it's nothing but quirky reddit girls and gays telling you that "you can do it too!". If I'm going to write a book, I want it to be legit literature and I want it to be so legit that pseuds over pay to have it sitting on their shelf and never read it, and it gets named dropped by real authors all the time.

>>18542303
My plan is to get trad published so I can feel good that some faggot getting paid by a faceless book giant decides they can sell my books to a mob of fucking retards on GoodReads that buy anything Random Shitbox Pigeon puts out

I have too many loose ideas. It's literally impossible to focus.

Not gonna make a new thread for this: Is it possible to have my novel take place in an undisclosed setting? As in, don't mention what country or city it's in. Will readers be annoyed by this? Gif unrelated

>>18541717
That sounds like bullshit

>>18542303
>I'm going to write a book, I want it to be legit literature
So never?

>>18542303
>words about thing I haven’t done
Nobody fucking cares dude

>>18542402
You have to study the classics, and that's hard anon. There are many books to read. I'm not just going to write and get into something without studying it's history. A lot of books you won't even understand the first time.

>>18542427
What?

>>18542453
Live your life faggot.
>What's the most crazy thing you did in life?
Me, I sold everything I had after 9/11 and moved to Costa Rica with no spanish at all and just the money I had on me.
>Ended up meeting dutch people in a cocaine bar who taught me how to sell porn online
That's life, you live it, you discover, you make the right choices, you make the wrong choices, then you can build worlds of fake people to share your very fucking real emotions you absolutely sheltered piece of shit go fuck yourself faggot.

>wrote historical romance 2 years ago
>re-reading manuscript
>first 3 chapters (12 total) are amazing
>then plummets into cheesiness
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck. Rewriting anything is like taking level 201 when you took 101 2 damn years ago. There would be a ridiculous amount of research to make anything else. I'm not limited on wordcount though. Fuck what do I do. I think it feels cheesy because it happens too quickly

Fuck historical genre is so punishing

>>18542795
Stop with the self-doubt. Post your shit hear and get feedback.

Yes, I'm done now. I was never going to become the next Faulkner, the next Nabokov or the next Joyce, but I hid behind the language barrier to avoid criticism for months, maintaining an illusion that was fun to live in while it lasted. I had thought my country's education system to be topmost in the world, but this turned out to be utter bollocks. A child of 18, a person ten years my junior, has a greater vocabulary than I, who had to look up the word “topiary”, and no one likes the expression theory of art anymore, I am likened to a long lost dinosaur.
This will be my final post on /lit/. I've been humiliated and exposed as a fraud. My writing is pretentious, infantile, banal drivel. My observations are dull, my language grade school level. My tenses are mixed up; I use colloquialisms, ellipses and onomatopoeia. I mix tired and trite idioms together to obfuscate their unoriginality with a veneer of irony; I have continued to recite ornate Jewish chimpanzee parables with diminishing returns. The parable seemed very clearly to me to be asking me whether or not the now-grown-adult can choose. I say yes, of course, but that's not my issue.
I was never cut out for writing. I began writing my "book" on January 6th. Since then I've produced 110 thousand words for it. These words are a tide of garbage without value, without insight, without form. The themes of time, space, infinity, memory and pointless duelling are not present in my work. It was never real writing, it was anime and weebshit!
Story arcs, character arcs, narrative arcs, these are all outdated terms. You say what you hear, and only the anime fandom uses the term “arc” anymore. I am a toad! Look how many words I wrote, because apparently literature is bodybuilding and just aimlessly typing will somehow improve my writing. My appetites grew as I wrote, I set a goal of a 100 thousand words when I began, only for the cancerous growth to demand a 137 thousand words soon enough to be completed, and still I don't even know what genre it is that I'm writing. Is it autofiction? A comedy? A picaresque? Am I merely shitposting edgelord-triggering diarrhea in neo-emo gothic revivalist gestalt?
Regardless, I have failed, and even in my failure I have merely imitated how people who think they write well but write poorly write, and I couldn't even do that well. "Oh I can do that anytime if I wanted to" I thought, but no. I have put down my pen. Never again will my fingers click-clack across the keyboard. No more outlines, no more characters. Goodbye.

>>18539864
Do you guys read out your stories to get the flow and rhythm better?
https://voca.ro/15sXc8wD3iXS

>>18543175
How the fuck have you cyberbullied yourself into defeat? The fuck is wrong with you? Do you even lift?

Bro... you need to show your shit off and get feedback. You can do this man.

>>18543185
jesus christ, it's a copy paste. Every single time.

>>18543184
>https://voca.ro/15sXc8wD3iXS
Subject matter: B+
Audio quality: C... I couldn't hear you very well sir!

>>18543195
That must mean we get a lot of new users or tourists, they fall for the same pasta every thread

>>18543195
Faggot I haven't lurked 2 years in lit

>>18543202
>>18543204
both of these are big if true

>>18543210
That's good news, hopefully more people are looking to read indy lit and not fill their heads with more netflix or video game tranny bullshit.

>>18543184
you sound cute anon (no homo)

>>18543337
he does sound bretty cute

>>18543337
>>18543347
Sadly, I'm a little run-down and stressed out from uni, I look 5 years older than I really am. But, the compliment is nice, guys.

and yet, no phone call from employer

it looks like I'm going to be with you guys for some time further

>>18543413
Keep trying dude. I got rejected by a firm this year but working today on a small casual job. Just take what you can get. Have you tried getting dole and studying a degree that is vocational, like nursing or whatever?

>>18543484
> Have you tried getting dole and studying a degree that is vocational, like nursing or whatever?
I already did that, except without the dole, unless you count Mom and Dad as the dole. Now I'm using my vocational degree to apply for vocational jobs. It is Sunday night, maybe they'll call Monday morning ... maybe. If not, I'll just keep applying

"Don't mention to me my past deeds, for the remembrance of them makes me suffer, and their triviality turns my blood into a burning fire, and their dryness generates thirst in my heart, and their weakness keeps me up and down one thousand and one times a day. Why did I write all those articles and stories? I was born to live and to write one book—only one small book—I was born to live and suffer and to say one living and winged word and I cannot remain silent until life utters that word through my lips. I was unable to do this because I was a prattler. It's a shame, and I am filled with regret because I remained a chatterbox until my jabbering weakened my strength. And when I became able to utter the first letter of my word, I found myself down on my back with a stone in my mouth... However, my word is still in my heart, and it is a living and a winged word which I must utter in order to remove with its harmony the sins in which my jabbering has created."

- Khalil Gibran, in a letter written before his death, age 48

>>18540802
Giant robots is the easiest way to do this, really. Just needs some science magic, they've got emergency force fields or high-density carbon coating that protects the pilot, or whatever. Maybe the pilots operate remotely. The sky's the limit.

Any tips for writing engaging dialogue? I have some very dialogue-heavy moments in what I'm writing, and I feel unhappy with what I've written so far. Some things feel off, and not as engaging as I'd like. I'm trying to keep most dialogue shorter so it doesn't drag on. Can anyone give examples for good written dialogue?

>>18543809
Show us your dialogue and we'll improve it, maybe

>>18543586
good luck writing your one word without a lifetime of jabbering
he died too young is all

>>18543820
ah fuck it

“Yes, I understand that usurer Bart has kept you quite busy.” muttered Deaun as he finished his rum.

“No, I’m getting arrested tomorrow. Perhaps tonight.” said Enyo, skipping to the point.

Deaun paused. “Is it the man you turned to stone?” he said with eyes wide.

The Gorgon rolled her eyes, “No, I had an altercation with a gentleman I was collecting debts from. A third-party got hurt.”

“Oh dear..." said Deaun solemnly, "... and this is your last night of freedom, then?”

“I suppose it is.” sighed Enyo, turning to her bottle yet again.

“What a pity you’re spending it with such a dolt.” joked the statesman.

Enyo attempted a smile. “At least I have my drink.”

>>18543835
uh oh, you've summoned the dialogue tag dog

>>18543835
In the tavern or whatever, Dean the statesman watched Enya the Gorgon nurse her bottle of beer
(i don't understand the part about the urserer)
l
“I’m getting arrested tomorrow," said Enya, getting right to the point. "Perhaps tonight.”
Deaun's eyes went wide. It took him a moment to collect his thoughts.
“Is it because you turned that man into stone?” he asked.

"No, I had an altercation with a gentleman I was collecting debts from," said Enya, rolling her eyes. "A third-party got hurt.”

“Oh dear..." said Deaun solemnly. "So this is your last night of freedom, then?”

“I suppose it is.” sighed Enyo.

“What a pity you’re spending it with such a dolt,” joked the statesman.

Dean waved at the tavern employee in the German lederhosen outfit.

"Another two beers over here, barmaid!," he yelled. "And I'll have the same."

Turning back to her, he gave a half shrug and a mischievous grin. Enyo attempted to return a smile.

"At least I have my drink," she said.

The barmaid gave them their drinks and they drank and had a rowdy ol time for Enya's last day of freedom.

>>18543892
> "Another two beers over here, barmaid!" he yelled.
fixed it. Don't come after me, dialogue puppy

>>18543892
That does seem better, thankyou!

>>18543835
>>18543892
It doesn't feel engaging, because neither of the two seem to care about what they're talking about. Enyo is apparently going to be arrested, but just goes drinking like it's a minor inconvenience and Deaun reacts like hearing she bought a rice cooker.

It makes you wonder, does showing this exchange even have any purpose. It could've been dismissed with a short mention AFTER she gets arrested, if you just wanted to establish Enyo's quirky character, or else the conversation should suggest they're going to do something about it, depending on how the story goes.

>>18543956
She's probably only going to jail for 30 lousy days, it's not like she killed anyone

>>18543982
Then what purpose does it have in the story?

>>18544000
lots of things

funny scene of them getting drunk
set up friendship or possible romance between Dean and Enya
explanation for Enya arriving late to jail next morning because she's hung over
blackmail material for politician Dean partying with a petty criminal

>>18543956
Hmm, I need to work on the character's reactions. I think that's what's really missing.

Enyo broke a kids hand, she's only speaking to the statesman because she hopes she can somehow get him to intervene in her arrest. She doesn't really like him all that much.

>>18544015
So it could be said you have four goals to achieve in this scene.
1. it should be funny
2. the characters should have chemistry
3. it should be made apparent they're going to drink a lot
4. it should be established they're not alone
Based on the excerpt, you have quite a mountain to climb before you've done all this.

>>18544048
They're not goals, they're just speculations on what the scene is for, ie, being funny, starting a friendship or romance, establishing blackmail, opening scene to The Hangover. That other anon can use the scene for other reasons

>>18544048
btw I'm not the guy who wrote the story about Dean and Enya, just editing his dialogue

>>18544065
Then why are you even replying? I was already beginning to wonder if there was some bizarre schizophrenic episode going on

>>18544076
I got too sucked up into Dean and Enya, started to make up a bunch of fun storylines for the two unlikely friends.
>>18544033
but now I'm sad because apparently it's only Enya using her pussy pass

>>18544097
Admittedly, a story incorporating those speculative plotlines would've been fairly interesting. You two should write a story with the same characters and /wg/ will tell which is better

>>18544113
this would just be bullying
OP seems pretty new. cucking him out of his own story would be a little fucked up

>>18544124
Yeah, and besides, I can write my own Hangover knockoff. You go write your fem fatale Enya story, anon. Good luck!

>>18544124
Nah, the resulting stories probably wouldn't be even remotely similar. I think it would be a fun experiment to do sometime, give two writers set starting point and a character list and see where they end up.

>>18541056
>most gladiators weren’t slaves
*citation needed

There were occasional volunteers, but they were few and were often frowned upon by other non slaves. Don’t spread your ignorance around so carelessly.

I'm gonna write a book, how hard could it possibly be?

I am not confident about my writing anons. I know it is bad and I should try to shove that thoughts somewhere else, but I can't stop thinking about it and pause after writing every few lines or so. It paralyzes me. I write one thing and I start doubting whether I should put it that way,I force myself to resume writing, then I pause again wondering if going this way is fine, rinse and repeat until after 5-6 lines and I think to myself "At this rate it will be completely shit and I can't write that. Even if my writing is bad, I want to put out the best I could at the moment. What this thing is heading to, good or bad, is not something I desire."
Of course when I have the motivation I can churn out pages and pages, but when there's no motivation to work on everything just comes to a screeching halt.
How did you guys resolve this problem or does it just get better after you have written more? But how do you write more when you are afflicted with this?

>>18543413
So many mlms and scammers on that site.

>4.9k words
i think this is my first time finishing a short story without autoediting, i.e. pondering over every word and line, and just let it flow. it's also my longest so far. certainly feels good to crank out the words but editing now is gonna be a bitch. the story itself probably doesn't make sense anymore and i won't be surprised if i end up cutting a thousand words or more. fuck yeah, let's go.

>>18545229
Good job anon what genre are you going for?

>>18545248
none. i think it's what people call 'literary fiction'

>>18543586
This post was made to harm me
I had to look him up but it seems like Gibran made it at least, it's not like he was some nameless nobody who died unknown

>started putting my horny and boredom energy into writing short erotica
I wrote them all out like green text, like I was gonna share them here somewhere like 'dude these totally happened yesterday' sort of stories.
But I noticed somewhere in the middle of each they become less retelling and written more as a present POV. Is that inconsistant writing or is there a way to make this change in perspective work? Like it starts out past tense then morphs into present tense.

>>18541079
Honestly, I just got bored. I didn't have anything that made me want to keep reading so I stopped once he saw the apartment. I know nothing about the characters, I've gone to viewings for apartments before and they don't really grip me.

>>18545712
i do that in dream sequences and moments of panic but nowhere else. try it out anyway. see if you can pull it off. might as well turn that porn into practice.

How do you write when you live a boring life? I have no personal experience to draw from, no real solid ideas, no strong opinions. Am I doomed or do I just need to write boring stuff until I figure out what I want to say?

>>18545927
Oh no if only there was an artistic medium based entirely around making shit up that never happened.

>>18545927
I imagine you dont do nothing. You at least watch and or read stuff right? You are incapable of getting inspiration from that?

>>18545979
Yeah but you usually draw from experience but in a made up setting, right?

>>18545927
Go out there and make some experiences

Would a novel that examines the differences in lives between people who are and are not conscious of their legacy at a young age be a good idea? Are there already a lot of novels like this? At the end of the book their a major upheaval in society and it turns out that who you were in the past doesn't matter that much during times of instability.

>>18546607
sounds like the Jedi experienced that shortly before Order 66

>>18546725
I had to look that up, but what if the plot was that every student at a particular university fails their program if they don't argue, on their papers, from a coherent and consistent worldview?

iwl.me says I'm good, therefore I am good.

>>18545927
How are you male with no sense of adventure?

>>18541079
you fuckin piece of shit. You've posted this link twice and i gave you feedback on the first one, which you seem to apparently have ignored. Stop spamming the thread with your shit or at least mention you've posted it in the same fucking thread just 100 replies earlier.

>>18546795
Isn't it normal that students fail if they don't argue from a coherent and consistent worldview? assuming they're liberal arts students writing essays

So dwell with the sacrificed and dying we collect before this spire of sanctity
Throughout this land, reality will disappear and cease to be
'Til all is left is fossilized machinery of nations past;
Humanity will meet it's end at last

And we will cover thou whole
From your head to toe
In gasoline
And burning coal

In this
Endless
Abysm of death

Blackness
Is all that will be left
Did i do meter right? The words within are nauseatingly generic, but i like the flow

Fell into a minor fugue state last night and wrote through some concept in my head. Not my main thing but I’m wondering if I should develop it
Well today they tell me they gon send me upstate a ways and it’s my day with ol sparky and they’re happy to send me to him. I tells em that we ain’t got no ol sparky and ol sparky’s down in Florida and ain’t nothin so grand up here to have a nickname. The guard just eyeballs me mean-like, like he’s gon scare me when he just told me I’m gonna meet the reaper.
He likes to put the scare in me. When I first got up here he used to tell me I was goin to hell and he would make sure it hurt and I don’t deserve to breathe his air and all that. So one day I’m sitting in in my box and my buckets steaming and the bedframe’d sear you to the touch and Donny’s goin on about my sins so I tell him, I says “I bet you hell ain’t half as hot as Fayetteville and the people ain’t so ugly.”
And then he stops preaching to me because he figures I’m clown and he can’t consort with no clown so now he just stares at me through the bars like one day he’s gonna look at me just right and I’ll just keel over right here.
Ain’t nothing new to me though. People been trying to put the fear of God in me since he sent me here and I ain’t met a man I couldn’t lick yet.
Even lil Thomas from Springfield couldn’t whoop me, and he was big as an ox and twice as mean. He was stupid too. I remember he couldn’t never do arithmetic unless there was food involved. If you ask him what’s two plus two he’d look at you cross eyed, but you ask him how many donuts in a half dozen and you’ll hear six in four different languages.
And one day lil Thomas says he wants to hit me. That was his way. He wasn’t no sneak so he wouldn’t jump you. But he never told nobody why they was gettin hit. I figure Thomas woke up and the first person he saw in his mind’s eye, that’s who he would hit.
But I wasn’t scared of being hit so I tell Thomas he could come up out of a hole like a Chinaman and it wouldn’t be no thing to me. And he gets real hot cus his daddy got killed by a Chinaman over there and he figures I’m calling him a Chinaman and he tells folks he’s gonna kill me. He says he’s gonna grab me and shake me like a dog until I just snap up and die there.

>>18547046
And so now I’m worried. I ain’t scared of being hit but here comes this one big as a Rhinoceros and three times as mean and he’s says he gonna shake me like a dog.
I’m slick though. That’s what they called me, ain’t nobody from here to Dallas ever called me smart but they all thought I was slick. So I go down there to the patch of dirt by the school where everyone did their whoopings. And I go there and pick up a little rock that sat just right in my hand. And I wait for the boys to come down there to see blood and I start stomping. I start hollerin like an Indian and I’m stomping . And the boys see me kicking up dirt and they start to saying im crazy and that I’m really gonna kill lil Thomas.
With the way things get goin in school Thomas has heard it all by the time it’s time to fight. He’s looking at me sideways and like he wants to kill me more cussa this. And so he starts walking to me and I swing on him with my rock hand and hit him right behind the ear. Then he starts dancing, like a chicken. One foot going this way left foot going that, and he ain’t all there so he can’t sat down on either foot and he’s just stumbling and bumbling all over like a drunk. The boys was laughing but I wasnt, I was looking at him and I was sad because I didn’t know his daddy was killed by a chinaman. He barely knew his daddy and how the hell I’m sposed to account for all that.
I ran out of the clearing and I never went to that school again. I never got to apologize for calling him a Chinaman and he never let me forget it. Here I am a day under fifty and you could still go down to Ive’s and see him swallow a gallon of malt telling folks that Sammy Willis cracked him with a cinderblock and run off.

>>18547046
>>18547053
Put it in a pastebin faggot.

>>18547096
Anything for u https://pastebin.com/J4Wsb2m1

Do you guys have to get into the right mindset to write? Or do you just sit down and do it?
Most times I feel like I need to get rid of all my other stress and worries otherwise I can't focus enough to write.

>>18547141
Ideally, I want to sit down and just write. Realistically, I'm a lazy sack of shit that crumbles under pressure as a deadline tightens around my neck.

WHO WANTS TO READ MY DRUNKEN HOMOSEXUAL FANTASIES

>>18547238
Noone.

>>18547315
TOO BAD

https://pastebin.com/tbV3KM3z

How long does it take to start getting views on Royal Road?

>>18547383
You can expect to hit big views/followers/people sucking your dick a few days in, or expect a long, painful, agonizing road of views trickling in over a year+ period, always under most of the majority's radar. I'm in the latter because I'm writing not writing isekai or litrpg.

Bottom line is like with most competitive things in life it is pure, unadulterated luck. Never give up anon, good luck.

>>18547405
Thank you. I imagine that mature drama/romance stories take a bit more time to get attention? Anyways, hopefully I run into your story some time.

When is it no longer writing?

>>18547429
List of drama/romance, with gamelit/litrpg/isekai/harem tags excluded, with completed/ongoing fictions ordered by views. Your milage may vary I suppose.

>>18547461
If you're just doing outlines and/or endless pages worth of lore, then it's no longer writing I'd say. Worldbuilder's disease is a very real thing.

Anyone else addicted to their story? No matter how much i try to get into other books and tv-shows i just can't stop wanting to get back to the things i'm writing. Not saying that i have the energy or endurance to keep going, but i just want more.
I'm certain this is a good thing, but... just wanting to know if anyone else, or perhaps most of you, feel this way. Do ya?

>>18546946
Maybe on individual essays, but you can definitely get away with arguing whatever you want from class to class. There is no one checking to make sure you don't argue antirealism in one class and realism in another. So one can get away with being quite the weasel.

>>18547662
It's even ok to argue different viewpoints within the same class. In debate class, one day you could be pro-carbon credits and the next you'd be anti-carbon credits. But within the same essay, you'd have to be coherent. But I have no idea what essay writing and failing/passing classes has anything to do with
>>18546607

I'd say to that guy to write an outline of the general plot first because he isn't making any sense right now

>>18547662
Reminds me of last semester. I praised Dessalines in one paper but denounced him in one I was writing concurrently for another class. Got the highest grade in the class on both.

>be super straight
>writing a novel centered around two gay men
>slowly become gay

has this ever happened to anyone before?

>>18547538
You need to keep writing friend.

If you need someone to encourage you, hit me up. I'll reply and read your shit and give you some feedback to help motivate your ass to keep going.

>>18547744
habbenin to me rn
My stories never have women but always have romantic undertones so

>>18547744
>straight guy writing a novel about fags
nope

Do publishers care about credentials if someone's writing about politics?

>>18547764
why not? I've heard in homo relationships, one of them is the man and the other is the woman

>>18547748
thanks a lot fren, but i'm ESL. Thanks for the encouragement though. How are your things coming along?

>>18547775
>why not? I've heard in homo relationships, one of them is the man and the other is the woman
err... there may be dominant/submissive power dynamics in certain relationships (which isn't even an obligatory general rule) but it isn't like "one is the man and the other is the woman"
t.fag

>>18547744
>be straight
>be chronically allergic to any lesbian/yuri/gay boys in any media ever
>get older, slowly realize that boys are indeed kinda cute
>also slowly realize lesbians are pure kino
>novel has girls extremely chummy with each other, including FMCs
yuri shall conquer the earth. Though I'm reading this fiction that has gay dads in it and it still gives me extreme whiplash when I read the parts with them though. Male homosexuality representation in literature still makes me feel uneasy in general it seems. Don't even give me started on tranny stuff either.

Do I use Amazon publisher? And sell 2 books?

>>18547869
The one getting fucked in the ass is the woman.
The Greeks solved this

>>18548085
That's for you to decide. If you live in the US you can probably even look into Vella. Their new venture into commercial web novels.

>>18547837
Hot glue perfect binder is coming in the mail!!!

Godspeed anon... don't give up.

I am writing a book about a Chinaman meeting an Irishman, a Blackman, and Mexican on the construction of the Union Railroad. The 4 men get attacked by Indians and animals.
I want to write using tons of curse words, racial words like John Chinaman, Chink, Nigger, Beaner (Don't know if this was used in the 1800's), Pasty, and whatever racial terms were used during that time. Does anyone know where I can look for lingo and speech patterns in the 1860's?

The only other option I can think of is reading news articles of the time and Mark Twain. But I'm not aware of the racial terms used for Hispanics, Indians, and Whites during that time.

>>18539864
>Why would someone want to read your book?
I don't know. Why would they? I am not doing it for money, not anymore. Now I'm writing just for fun. My setting is fantasy, like LOTR fantasy with a bit of steam/dieselpunk and post apoc. Tommy gun fantasy I guess. Idk. It started as not-Conan in high school, grew to a massive sci-fi setting in later high school with the not-Conan continent becoming one small island on a larger world. It was developed for about 15 years on and off. I think aside from the mainline "chronicles" I want to write some stand-alone side-stories but have no idea where I'd start with those. But yeah, if someone doesn't wanna read it, oh well. Whatever. At least I did something and finished it.

Are we allowed to ask for feedback on erotic writing? Anyway, here goes...

A large, muscular green hand came to cup the princess's right breast, exposed through the lattice of rope she'd been forced to wear, and tweaked the rosy nipple between thumb and coarse finger. Then, hoisting her atop his knee, with her legs splayed across his hypertrophied thigh and her nude, meaty pussy rubbing against his cold plateleg, the chieftain lifted her chin and spat into her open mouth.

The onlooking soldiers were shocked. How could Princess Honoka, a gifted swordswoman, have fallen so low? How could she let herself be degraded so, and by an orc, that most barbarian race of creature? It went against all reason. And yet they watched powerless (for intervention surely meant her death) as the princess, apparently of her own volition, got onto her knees and faced the orc's filthy member with a look of rapture, sticking her tongue out at an odd angle; one would think she were sitting down to a delicious home-cooked meal, but the pupils of her eyes had morphed to resemble hearts.

Putting her long pink hair back in a ponytail, she offered the soldiers a glimpse at her armpits, which she had apparently neglected to shave during her long captivity - they were overgrown with frizzy black armpit hair - and having done so, began to kiss and lick the orc's oversized member with such whorish delight that a shiver went through the soldiers' spines even as their loins began to stir. Her pendulous, milky breasts jiggled to and fro as she sucked at the green mushroom-like glans, which itself was so big she could not fit more than half of it in her mouth unless she were to somehow dislocate her jaw, and she was shamelessly fingering herself.

At this point, many of the soldiers had thrown down their weapons and were openly masturbating to the sight of their sovereign being violated by the enemy.

>>18548354
>Are we allowed to ask for feedback on erotic writing?
Put it in a pastebin.

>>18548354
booooo this sucks
> A large, muscular green hand
> he offered the soldiers a glimpse at her armpits, they were overgrown with frizzy black armpit hair

>>18548458
Can you articulate what's bad about it?

>>18548468
>Pink hair
>Black pit hair
Boooooo. Drapes must match!

>>18548458
Not him but you
>she offered the soldiers a glimpse at her armpits, they were overgrown with frizzy black armpit hair
We already know that the armpit is what's being described. You can omit the 2nd armpit descriptor
>they were overgrown with frizzy black hair

>>18539864
Name a good alternative to Word

>>18548122
i may get fucked in the ass but it definitely doesn't make me a woman

>>18548496
Libreoffice. Google Docs. Literally using a regular notebook.

>>18548482
I was under the impression he was using that image to catch your attention since she's a character named Oboro from the Taimain Asagi series.

>>18548555
oops, meant Ingrid not Oboro. Same pink/purple hair and both ebil ladies so whatever.

>>18548496
>>18548511
What's wrong with word?

>>18548730
It costs too much money.

>>18542818
i've figured out what to do about it. just have to be not lazy and put more substance in the middle and rewrite the romantic development to be slower and more nuanced.

> why would somene want to read your book
I love adventures, man vs nature stories, nature in general and biking. So dirt biking across a fantasy country is a book I would read. Not only that, it explore the relationship between a man and his tools: the bike, air pump, bananas, water, helmet, etc: this journey is a solidarity one, with only the bike as a companion.
>>18540453
Let me check. Stacy is the chad women right? Here is mine dialog, though I'm a newfag
"Hey Becky! That yoga pants looks so cute on you, is it new?"
"Yea..."
"Where did you get them? They would match my sports bra and it'll be so cute."
"I found it at a thrift store" she says, alluding to shop theft.
"Oh nice. Be a smart shopper, that's what I always say. When my boyfriend chad told me about long term investment, I made sure to put my clothes shopping money to my Roth account. I won't stay cute forever after all! Anyways, stay fabulous Becky"
"You too"

>needed motivation to kick me out of my procrastination
>search up the longest work of fiction ever written to pump myself up.
>...it's a fucking fanfic.
>10 million plus words.
>author started writing in in late 2017.
HOW?! HOW DO I GET THAT KIND OF WILLPOWER AND CONSISTENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!
ngmi, I can't even keep a consistent schedule, much less be able to write over 1000 words. RIP.

>>18549223
Go write right now or I will fuck your cockhole
at least 200 words
GO!

>>18549223
He likely has no qualms about style or depth or whatever. It's likely an autist writing a cosmic cycle about Sonic or something.

>>18549297
>>18549223
An excerpt from the longest piece of fiction ever written.

>>18549341
At least he has his dialogue tags right, which is more than some people ITT can accomplish.

Can you sum up your story in one pitch sentence?

>>18548771
>It costs money
ftfy

>>18549414
Blood Meridian but it's the Liberian Civil War and it takes place in post collapse America
Project 2
A young man's father dies and leaves him grossly indebted to nearly everyone and he must plunge into the world of criminals to keep his head above water.
Project 3
And old criminal is facing execution and he wants to tell you his life story and why he isn't so bad. Told stream of conciousness in first person.

>>18549414
Bad shit happens.

>>18539864
Nobody wants to read my books.
That is why I must write them.

>>18549341
I never thought I would read something that drones on and on more than Meme Kampf.

>>18549414
blood meridian part 2

>>18549414
LotGH but with cute-as-a-button anime girls that suffer, war is hell and pointless endeavors.

When you're writing a room of people, is it better to introduce all the characters at once, or as you provide them dialogue?/

>>18549414
The point of view from Trump supporters.

>>18549669
Depends on what you want, I think that could be a style thing not a rule. Both are good, depends on how many though.

>>18549414
You're in the army now.

>>18548196
Whoa, you’re really taking control of the whole process. I’m impressed. Ygmi.

getting back into writing is rough /wg/. It feels like trying to thread a needle with shaky hands

>>18549810
Suck on the tip to close the frayed ends together

>>18549792
My friend, look at the post below. Imagine what a beautiful world it could be if we could convince him to follow through and publish his work in 2021.

Godspeed anon!

The more I think about it, the more persuaded I am to try and release my book in some serialized format. Either on this new Kindle Vella system, when it debuts, or I'll put it up segments at a time on my Substack. Or maybe on some other fiction website that gets good viewership. I keep seeing advantages given some of the things this story has going for it.

For one thing, the story isn't really segmented into chapters like a "normal" story. From the beginning I didn't have an interest in dividing it along those lines. It's divided into segments and stories, and they're a bit self-contained. It's a single story, and the plot moves forward, but the more I think about it, the more it seems like each segment almost functions as a unit of story in its own right. Less like one single story divided into chapters, and more like a bunch of little stories coming together to make a bigger story, united around my main characters and the relationship between them. So I could release each segment individually.

For another, this book is the first book in a series I'm planning on. I'm already writing the second book as we speak. And the second book is organized like the first book, less in one single narrative organized into chapters and more as a bunch of short stories that follow in a chronological sequence. I also have a huge cast that I juggle, and we can sometimes dramatically change perspectives, settings, and circumstances from one segment to the next. And this is the case for every book I have planned going forward. So if I start it now, I can keep it up for months and years to come.

Thirdly, and perhaps most persuasively: to release the story in a serialized fashion could potentially help me build up hype and readership. As others have remarked, releasing fiction in a serialized manner is quite similar to how most fanfics are written and released. And I'm intimiately familiar with that because I've spent years writing fanfiction, in addition to writing original fiction. I know how powerful fanfiction's serialized release format can be for building up an audience. Some of my fics have become somewhat massive in their respective fandoms. So, over the years, I like to think I've learned how to work the serialized fiction format to maximize effect. I know how to space out chapters. I know how to use social media to build hype. I know how to, essentially, game the system, or at least I'm better at it than a lot of people are. This has been proved out by my actual experiences as a fanfic writer.

So, releasing big stories in serialized format seems like a thing that plays to the strengths I've developed. Thus, it's deeply tempting to use such a method for this big book of mine, this work of original fiction. It might be a good ticket to actually getting lots of people to read it.

What do you guys think?

>>18549858
tl;dr

>>18549414
A wandering miracle worker succumbs to dehydration in the desert, and awakes to find himself in the care of a madman, whose ambitious son urges the miracle worker to convince the public his father is no longer insane.

>>18549414
Teenage Heiress, Baroness and Villainess, to a backwater town, disestablished clan, and small fortune, gets in a death game with her parent's killer, during the week long festival she hosts. Uses her bright mind she inherited in her Crow blood, and her ficious determination that she inherited in her royal Boar blood, she solves murder cases, and maybe commits a few of her own...
bros i suck at summing up my story. how can i get better?

>>18549858
1. Finish the story
2. Make a paperback book
3. Start selling it locally

You got this anon.

How do I know if my writing is any good? What if I write like shit and have no talent? Should I stop?

>>18549924
>Should I stop
yes

>>18549924
Your writing is guaranteed shit. It's only a matter of how shit are you willing to accept

>>18549929
My goal is to sell 2 copies.

>>18549937
Then you're good to go.

>>18549937
If you put it on Amazon, I'll buy a copy. And your mom will buy a copy. There you go, goal reached

>>18542381
There are plenty of great books that never say, "so and so lived in such a place". There are few great books that never incorporate the environment into the story. Could the Iliad have been written without saying it happened in Troy? Could Joyce have written Ulysses without Dublin being there? Could Bret Easton Ellis have written American psycho outside of new York?
That doesn't mean you need to be explicit with it. This spake Zarathustra never overtly mentions any German town or whatever - but it's clearly happening in little Germany.
TLDR: you don't need to mention a country/city. But not having and setting is retarded. People exist somewhere and stories happen in places

I can't do this anymore /wg/. I still want to be a successful writer more than I want to be alive, but neither therapy nor breaks nor perseverance is doing anything

It just isn't enough

>>18550137
hmm, what goal would you have to reach to become a "successful writer"

>>18549905
That’s not one sentence…

>>18549510
Is it in the same setting? Don’t you have to research a lot for that.

>>18550271

Is there anyone who actually published a novel or a short story able to tell me how to outline?

>>18550325
Yeah. Don’t outline. If you do so, it’ll be too claustrophobic and many editors will change your plot points too. Just write in streams of natural thought. Even my CW professor told me he never outlines novels, because it ruins the process.
>t. Published Story Writer

>>18550332
im suffering from overanalysis. Ill just write - that is how I wrote my sonnets; it should work also for my stories. Thanks.

>>18550332
You should outline if your novel is something other than pseudo-artistic, self-reflecting stream of consciousness, just to see if the plot on your mind actually makes any sense and avoid writing yourself in a corner later.

>>18540249
I haven't typed anything up yet. I'm handwriting the whole thing and only typing it up once I'm ready to edit.

>>18550409
That or just have a really good memory.

>>18550409
Post your outlines then. I can’t imagine them helping in any shape or form.

>>18550456
Making outlines has helped me immensely, but there aren't any I can post right now, because the stories are done and written too, and out there for anyone to find.

But why wouldn't they help? The whole argument makes no sense.

>>18550456
Anything other than navel gazing should have an outline, be it mental or actually written down. Otherwise you’ll have endings like Steven King. No meticulous details, just a general outline.

Feedback appreciated.

>>18550659
Description is jumpy in the second half. It goes from
Sypia in bed --> her body --> her bedroom --> her body --> niggers outside her window --> her body --> niggers fighting --> Sypia --> niggers fighting some more

L'homme moderne estime la tradition justifiée uniquement par ad antiquitatem, alors que ça n'est pas proprement l'ancienneté de la tradition qui la légitimise, mais bien sa pérénité.
Il est nécessairement portée une valeur intrinsèque forte par toute conception transmise de génération en génération. De la même façon qu'un ouvrage de littérature qui a été lu pendant des millénaires porte des richesses qui sont la raison de sa venue jusqu'à nous ; ça n'est pas son ancienneté qui justifie son existence, mais bien son existence qui garantit son ancienneté.
La tradition est donc balayée sans plus de considération, et relayée au statut de l'arbitraire. Ce statut permet de la déshabiller de toute valeur intrinsèque, et donc de commencer le travail de déconstruction.
Dans cette opération, l'homme moderne créé nécessairement une nouvelle collection de valeurs, et c'est cette collection qu'il juge juste, bien que l'histoire récente a démontré l'éphémérité criante de telles conceptions.
C'est par cet privation de la nourriture traditionnelle et juste que l'homme moderne se voit forcé de trouver un ersatz, car l'homme ne peut vivre sans morale, son combat contre la morale n'est qu'un combat de la morale présente vers la morale future.
C'est ce meme combat, couplé à la nature arbitraire de cette morale transitaire, qui accélère le changement du paysage moral du monde moderne.
Ainsi, dans les années 1970, la pédophilie effectuait une percée fulgurante en France, pour retomber quelques années plus tard, dans les années 1960, la libéralisation sexuelle se voyait freinée par le SIDA, pour s'adoucir au fil du temps.
Les années 1990-2000 étaient les années du multiculturalisme, aujourd'hui presque remplacé par une forme grandissante de communautarisme.
Les valeurs de l'homme moderne n'en sont pas, elles ne contiennent aucune vérité profonde, et n'existent que dans le sillage de leur époque, mue par une force qu'elles domptaient précédemment. L'interchangeabilité des valeurs est perçue comme une preuve de fertilité intellectuelle, mais si rien ne reste, l'esprit n'a rien produit de valeur.
Une plante qui produit des fruits inmangeables peut-être fertile, si elle ne nourrit personne, elle ne peut remplacer notre pain quotidien.
L'homme moderne rejette donc la tradition avec une véhémence qu'il ne comprends pas lui même, et s'accroche jusqu'à la radicalisation à des valeurs qu'il quittera, comme tout ses pairs, dans quelques années. C'est une bête, mue par les autres, esclave de son destin.
Un ersatz d'homme qui produit un ersatz d'idées.

>>18550693
Thanks anon. I definitely agree.

>>18550572
>no proof
>no example
>no method suggested

>>18550967
What examples or method suggestions do you need for outlining, exactly? Do you know what an outline even is?

One google search gets you pretty far
https://blog.reedsy.com/how-to-outline-a-book/

>>18551118
>blog.reedsy
Oh no, it’s incontrovertible truth! I kneel…

>>18551118
>posts an example from google rather than his own example

>>18551138
I thought you wanted advice, now you want "truths"? Jesus fuck, you people should wear some kind of "I have crippling autism" badge so I know to ignore you

>>18551151
Feels kind of retarded to explain something that anyone who went to high school should already know. Yes, I do the exact same things the ten million other writers and bloggers out there do, do I really need to chew it for you one more time? What the fuck is your problem?

>>18551166
There’s not even 45 thousand writers in the USA. You really think you’re among “ten million” other people that need to jot down a sequence of events because they’re too dumb to think it through?

>>18551166
>doesnt think op has already scoured google for the answer before resorting to this place

>>18551180
Your inability to recognize an obvious hyperbole doesn't say great things about your intellect

>>18551181
>implying implied implications
Obviously he hasn't looked up how to do an outline, or he wouldn't be asking what an outline does, DO YOU THINK?? MAYBE???

>>18551196
>copes with this much damage control
Go write an outline of your inevitable obscurity because your writing will lack any soul.

>>18551205
Then it's back to buzzwords. What were you even trying to achieve here? Are you incapable of communicating without /v/ memes?

>>18551220
I’m just on my grindset, foh

Next thread theme should be the outline architect virgin fears the gardener pantser Chad

>>18551268

New thread.

>>18551250
>>18551257
Honestly, this is one reason why I never post anything remotely related to myself in these threads. Imagine being stalked by someone this sick. I'd have to sleep with a gun under my pillow.

>>18551274
Cope, beta. You haven’t written or published anything. This is what a real ass sigma be doin:

https://youtu.be/bWvVVLFk1G0

Should I take the self-publishing pill? I found some really cheap places to print books. Is there basically any reason to go with traditional publishing?

>new thread nuked because of summer holidays OP
funny

>>18551723
No go self publish. What happend to the new thread dude.

>>18551723
? self publishing is free

>>18551759
this guy said it was deleted
>>18551757
but I don't know why

>>18551723
You won’t be taken seriously by prizes or academics.

>>18551763
No?
>>18551769
That's fine with me.

>>18551784
If you write for the love and joy of words, then I commend you. But don’t self publish for the sake of making money or earning readers’ admiration. There’s already too much bullshit clogging up the internet and book stores.

>>18551804
>don’t self publish for the sake of making money or earning readers’ admiration.

I'll do whatever I want, thanks.

>>18551815
Insufferable faggot. Please stop leaving such disgusting muck in the senses. Keep it on your computer and never “publish” it. Better yet, you should off yourself for being an annoying attention-seeking BPD faggot.

>>18551832
Nah :)

>>18551834
Post your shit work then if you’re not scared of exposing yourself as a half-rate “writer” of penny dreadful schlock.

>>18551842
Why are you so angry?

>>18539864
New thread >>18551837

>>18551832
dumb shizo
anon hasn't even posted any of his writing nor has he shown attention seeking behavior, only
posing the common newfag on whether self publishing is for him or not

>>18551853
Don’t write unless you respect the craft; the English language ought to be your Calliope. What’s so hard about understanding that?

>>18551857
He said he doesn’t care about writing as a craft. He just wants money and fame. He’s a faggot.
>Shizo
Typing a little quickly because I’ve roused you, ruffling some feathers?

>>18551863
>Respecting the craft is getting dicked by """traditional"""" publishers

>>18551878
>>don’t self publish for the sake of making money or earning readers’ admiration.
>I'll do whatever I want, thanks.
Did you forget what was posted, idiot?

>>18551895
Touch grass.

>>18551870
he didn't say that
do you have general reading comprehension problems or is it only when you get triggered

>>18551908
>>>don’t self publish for the sake of making money or earning readers’ admiration.
>>I'll do whatever I want, thanks.
It seems you have reading comprehension issues and now you’re projecting.

>>18551918
interpret more finely and without the projection
the false dichotomy that making money from your writing means he "doesn’t care about writing as a craft" is not only inane schizo babble, but also something you failed to communicate
imagine frothing and seething at the artistic integrity of writing without being having the language skills to interpret a post on a goat milk churning board

>>18551918
NGMI.

>>18551941
You are reaching so much dude. Don’t fall.

>>18551944
I’ve got 6 acceptances, idiot. You have nothing.

>>18551956
read slower

>>18551967
You have 0 publications, likely never went on to postgraduate study, and you probably don’t even read anything on the literary canon. Stop lecturing your betters on reading comprehension, when you write muck that no publisher would touch.

>>18551956
Nobody will ever read your writing.

>>18551784
look up what self publishing means anon, you're making me laugh at your naivety
though there was an anon literally printing and binding his own books, which is beyond based

>>18551986
Except they have, and they will continue to do so, as long as I don’t die young from self-published anons inducing my suicide. I go to a good university for a postgraduate degree by research. What the fuck do you have?

>>18551985
>makes mistake
>immediately goes on delusion incited meltdown
bro you're clowning right now. do you invent and assign characters to everyone who doesn't preen you?
breathe

>>18552001
You don’t even know the words you’re using! Look up the dictionary before you misuse a word. I can’t believe you people try to “write”…

>>18552009
>lacks the comprehension skills and literary background to understand a common metaphor
you don't even know why you're embarrassing yourself which is the most damning thing
it's literally one of the definitions in your definition list. c'mon anon, make the connection
take as long as you need

>>18552019
How is fixing my hair or adjusting a tie the same as wanting someone to not self publish garbage so they can be the next E.L. James tier “writer”?
You completely misused the word and the metaphor didn’t make sense in the context.

>>18552054
extremely embarrassing

>>18552092
Post your writing then, faggot. You’re such a smug pseud who has shown little to no actual understanding of the human language.

>>18552101
lmao dumbass
here, let me spell it out
preening is when a bird grooms itself check transitive verb definition 1
the flow of abstraction can be followed through 2 and 3, where it means the physical act of grooming oneself through clothing and the act of egotistically grooming oneself through congratulatory behavior
if, and I know this is a big assumption with your displays of comprehension, you've been following along, you'll have noticed this was in response to your insecure little meltdown at having been called out, as no one showed you hostility, only an absence of preening(congratulatory behavior for the sake of boosting your ego), assumed to be the cause of your bitch fit because your regular misinterpretations and weak grasp on communication, language and presumably writing

again, take as long as you need. writing and reading isn't for everyone, it takes some people longer to grasp high concept techniques such as metaphors, don't be ashamed

>>18552179
>high concept techniques such as metaphors
You just made up some bullshit reasons for something that usually means “self-congratulatory behaviour of ONESELF”. Literally misusing the word isn’t a “metaphor”. It was cute seeing you do mental gymnastics though. If your writing has anything close to this kind of ADHD tier overthinking and autistic infodumping, then I assume you’ll never have readers.

>>18552300
meds bro
I'm inbetween projects and will be lurking here again. feel free to post any excerpts you need editing help with
always love to help amateur writers, even if they have an ESL level grasp on the language

>>18552321
“In between projects” is a charming way to admit that you’re lazy and don’t write often enough to call yourself a writer. Most people can manage several things at once. If I wanted idiots to critique my shit, I’d go back to the library writing group where people talk about their genreshit and comic strips.

>>18552347
>doesn't post his writing
>doesn't critique others writing
>doesn't understand metaphors
>doesn't understand the delineation between profit and creativity
what kind of persona do you think you communicate. maybe we could turn this little episode into a character writing exercise, I think it'd be very helpful for you

>>18552403
>doesn’t use punctuation (question marks) properly
>doesn’t post writing
>doesn’t spell “other’s” properly
What kind of idiocy do you think you exude?

>>18552418
anon, for this session I'd like to focus on turning your condition to something productive
you've always wanted to be a writer haven't you? lets try to focus on the happy thoughts. please promise you'll start taking your medication? you know you aren't at your best when you stop taking your pills

>>18552429
You’re not in therapy for your BPD, are you? Anon, you know you begin splitting and devaluing people when you’re not thinking through your bad thoughts.