/lit/ - Literature

Seethe, architects.

>>18551883
>zoomer with a memefried brain can't keep his hands off the identity mongering for one (1) thread

>>18551893
>”muh zoomers!!”
Dude, if you’re a 26+ year old and you still haven’t migrated from here to be a professional writer, then you have failed! Literally NGMI energy.

we have barped up this room for so long, not a window or door open, there is no air left, only brap. the braped up air has intoxicated their lungs, if you breath from mouth you taste the brap and even brap it out, never ending brap has circulated this room. the residents can't even smell the brap anymore, but if someone opened the door the green aroma will brap up his long so hard he will pass out.

>>18551911
my zodiac sign is gardener
my writing? oh no, I don't write, I just construct an aesthetic and projected identity around books
btw have you heard of dark academia? it's so totally woke pilled based vibe check

looks like it's sign to take a break from /wg/ again. goodbye

>>18551935
the only time /wg/ is worth visiting is when people share their work and that's assuming the poster isn't insecure and that the repliers have any idea what they're talking about
there's a few good posters but I've been seeing them less and less recently. guess they made it and graduated from this shithole
wish I could say the same

I finished another chapter of Blackula. Here's an excerpt

Earlier that morning, Dr. Jabari Seward had received a telegram from Dr. Van Hassain. His former mentor would be arriving tomorrow with Moesha and her new husband.

“I should prepare a special meal for my guests,” thought Jabari. “And I know just the place to get the best ingredients.”

The Whitby African farmers market was the pride of the Yorkshire African community. Black farmers and artisans from all over northern England drove to the seaside tourist town to set up their tents and stalls. Housewives bought fresh, organic vegetables and fruits for their weekly groceries. Tourists and out-of-towners tasted free samples before purchasing delicacies, jams, and rare items. Every Black auntie and uncle came to market to share the latest gossip while eating traditional African foods, like jollof rice (a spicy West African chicken and rice dish) and egusi soup (a Nigerian seafood soup made with seeds from the egushi, a vegetable similar to squash or pumpkin).

People would arrive early to reserve the benches and tables underneath the shade of the trees, all while chatting with friends, sipping bubbly drinks, and eating delicious foods. It was the perfect way to spend a slow Friday or Saturday morning.

>>18552003
your writing is still trash but I'm glad to see you're still at it. it's less stilted then I remember it being though, so here's to good faith and the hope that you're improving
honestly I'm more interested in your notes and observations on ebonics. I have very little interest in the subject because i'm not a cucked american but you seem genuinely autistic and like you've been putting in effort

>>18551837
>>18530570
Is it really RIP or just rare?
repost

>>18552011
My main sources of research are the black actors on SNL (Youtube) and BlackPeopleTwitter (Reddit). I collect black phrases, and when it comes time to write dialogue, I try to construct dialogues based on those black phrases

My next chapter is about Van Helsing examining a little boy who was bitten by a vampire. The child will tell the main characters about Lucy in AAVE before being cured of potential vampirism via blood transfusion. Here's my research from Black People Twitter
> wild disrespectful
> mad as hell honestly
> throwing shade at someone
> beat the breaks off someone
> heffa (derogatory term for woman)
> nasty hoe
> asking to get schooled
> just … no. Stop.
> major props
> whooping [adjective] ass
> He went to tackle her once as a joke. She put him in a guillotine choke.
> At that moment, he realized she had brothers
> To go hard in roughhousing.
> Gained this power through blood
> I can overpower someone twice my size, and beat the breaks off of anyone who isn’t a professional fighter, or my brother. He still would beat my ass but that wouldn’t stop me from talking shit tho. I feel bad for my sister’s husband tho, he comes from a white, conservative, Christian, never fought anyone before, family. If it ever gets violent I know it her because I fought that Heffa like a man all her life, and my brother practiced on her too.
> My brother's fight dirty.
> I'd shut that shit down real quick

Nigga Kang Nigga Kang
Bang all da bitches
Nigga Kang Nigga Kang
Coom as white as white boi skin
Nigga Kang Nigga Kang
Gibs me da bennies from da gubment for muh ‘pression

>>18552049
I also only take black phrases from the "Country Club" only threads. On r/BlackPeopleTwitter, you can become a member of the Country Club by sending the moderators a picture of your black arm.

>>18552073
reddit is hilarious, but so are you with your chosen resources
I actually ended up reading that free paper I linked you. It was fairly insightful, I'm not much of a linguisticsfag though I do appreciate it
I can see how people can get roped into full tolkien autism and construct their own languages, seems fun

>every few weeks an anon comes in interested in prompts but never follows up
as someone who thinks communal flashes are fun I'd like if it'd ever take off
if I were to post a prompt and a response every thread would any anons join in?

Why are there so many fantasy writers here? I see nothing but orcs demons and sexy elves.

>>18552414
>here
I usually see hollow and bland contemporary lit posted
modern vignettes and such. there's plenty of anime talk but usually they don't actually post what they're writing

>>18552414
My fantasy story has no orcs or demons or elves of any kind. Actually, shit, it does have demons now that I'm thinking about it, but they're few and far in between.
>why
I do it because I can make allusions to real world issues without being too over the top obvious and avoid running afoul the censors in people's minds. I also read a lot of fantasy growing up and I like the genre.

>>18552439
>Contemporary lit
I am inspired to write and use memes in my story

>>18551935
Why do t you go to an actual forum for writers instead of coming here? /wg/ doesn’t know shit what’s it’s talking about. And taking their advice has got to be downright idiotic.

>>18552489
where. /wg/ is unironically a good place for advice and critique when the good posters are on
it's just that being an image board in current year+4 you have to filter through the children and the pseuds and distinguish bad advice from good
if you tell me one good writing forum I'll leave forever and never come back

Is writing micro fiction a valid way of practice?

>>18552511
>/wg/ is unironically a good place for advice and critique
No, it isn’t and never had been. People here don’t know what they’re talking about.

>>18552514
writing is a valid practice and you're perfectly aware of that and just procrastinating
write a great volume from a great array of lengths and style
just write

>>18552523
>just go to place that doesn't exist
I'll be staying here then
>nuh uh
have you perhaps considered that I'm rubber and that you're glue and that whatever you say bounces off of me and back onto you?

I just finished a small chapter of my novel, after months of neglecting it. As I was typing it hit me that my story fucking sucks, and I will probably change big parts of it later, but for now I'm content with only writing whatever and make it as less shit as possible. I feel kinda good bros, we are gonna make it.
Wish I could share it in here but it's in spanish.

>>18552514
Yes

>>18552542
>>just go to place that doesn't exist
Websites for aspiring writers exist, anon. And they’re better than /wg/.

>>18552561
tell me one and I'll happily go there
>RR
>ao3
>leddit
>discord
all irredeemable trash. you come off as one of those mentally ill regulars who are stockholmed into always posting but only ever post meta bitching about the state of the thread

>>18552576
Not even five seconds on google. Do you even bother to search?
https://www.writingforums.org/

>>18552576
I know people who swear by Litopia or Vocal.

>>18552585
Always that same forum, I've seen that shilled every time

>>18552585
>5 seconds on google
>not a personal recommendation
so your claim about /wg/ being comparatively shit was full of shit
>>18552597
picrel doesn't inspire hope but thanks anon, I'll check them out and report back
bets on if they're pozzed or hopelessly amateur? I expect both

>>18552617
>Recommending the personal site I used.
No thanks. I don’t want it infested with people like you.

>>18552626
then I'll continue to assume that you're a schizoid who's babbling to a self assuring rhetoric
why would you post
>Why do t you go to an actual forum for writers instead of coming here?
if you had no intentions of helping someone get to such a place?
>people like you
you realize you're also posting on /wg/?

>>18552643
He just wants to feel superior by giving the first unhelpful result in Google

>>18552617
They’re sometimes very moralistic about muh rich white males, but that’s to be expected in the publishing industry.

Have a look at AgentPete; he runs the show and has had heaps of experience in the literary industry. If you like him, you’ll probably like the format of the forum/live show they do.
https://youtu.be/gpRzqXl5_Qc

>>18552665
I'm at a stage where I'm way more worried about my skill as a writer as opposed to my viability in the eyes of a publisher
I have 0 interest in writing YA, sexual identity pandering or racial minority empowerment
Would there be any point to me joining forums if they're just industry heads shilling and networking?

>>18552696
Unless you’re writing YA, sexual identity pandering or racial minority empowerment, what’s the point of being a writer?

I've gotten to that magical point bros. I don't have to sit down and force myself to write. It's just something I do 5 days a week at 2am like clockwork. I feel like only good things can come of this. I know I have at least some small degree of talent (if /lit/ tells me I have talent, well, I know as well as any of you that we hate fucking everything) and I have a story I know hasn't been told about a subject that hasn't had much serious literary attention. I think I can actually make it as long as I stay humble and keep putting the actual effort in. Whether or not I ever get published is another thing entirely, but I think I can succeed at writing something I would want to read.

>>18552696
>I'm at a stage where I'm way more worried about my skill as a writer
read more books. that's it. there's no great secret. If you want feedback on what you've written that's different, but before soliciting feedback you should have already drafted and gone through an editing pass or three.

>>18552716
to tell a good story?

>>18552758
Just self-published.

>>18552743
>read more books
bad advice
>>18552716
read more books and write more
getting crit is good but giving it is better

>>18552780
>bad advice
Not him, but it's the only advice. Read enough that you get to the point where you know intuitively what is good and bad. Write enough that you get to the point where your ability rises to the level of your discrimination.

>>18552767
Nobody respects self publishing.

>>18552832
Only pseuds disrespect self-publishing. And no one cares what they think.

>>18552852
That just sounds like cope.

I'm starting a book arguing that a deep state exists in the United States. How are your projects going?

>>18552882
Re-revising Chapter 6 to post to Royal Road, revising chapter 16.

>>18552882
Pretty great honestly. I've found a workflow that lets me write consistently enough to make progress without burning out. It'll take me 24 more weeks to reach 60k words at this rate. I may be long done by the time 24 weeks rolls around but I can cross that bridge when I get to it.

>>18552866
If you want to get traditionally published you're going to have to write some permutation of YA, faggotry and niggers. Trad publishing has become, quite unfortunately, a joke. If your self published work gets big, they'll end up coming to you to get a piece of your pie.

>>18552882
Finished chapter 2_, I feel disillusioned that my story is turning out to be really shitty in practice, or that I lack the ability to make it less shitty, but as one anon said to me, you just gotta write. So I feel good about the progress and bad about my ideas.

>>18552882
Great. Last week I made a decision to turn a single chapter into two. Was like 3.5k words, split it into 2.5k and added about 500 last week. Right now at 2.6k for the second part and I probably have another 750 words I need to add. Was a great choice, added some nice characterization and clearly revealed motivations that otherwise would have been too understated. Need to finish it up today so I can let it slightly rest before editing and putting it out tomorrow afternoon.

>>18552912
I’m surprised there are people still sucking off publishing companies. But then again, they’re also the same people stuck in the 19th and early 20th century.

>>18552912
Not him but the only successful self-published novels were written by e-celebs or the well-to-do.
What have you published, by the way.

>>18552531
i wrote some stuff yesterday and posted it but no one commented on it

>>18552986
The one I was thinking of was 50 shades of grey. If you'll forgive me, I'm not going to link to my work after using the phrase faggotry and niggers. That sort of thoughtcrime is verboten. At this point I'm still essentially a nobody, don't feel like getting prematurely cancelled.

>>18553017
post it

>>18553017
Don’t post it. No one cares.

What matters more in your guys opinion, # of words written during a session or the quality of it? Talking about first draft of course. I’ve been writing 2-3 hours a day for about a week and have about 200 words of story so far because I’m really taking my time with every sentence. Is it better to just write my guts out and edit later?

>>18552551
Hispanic bro, here. You can share it and i can give you feedback if you want.

>>18553084
Sure but you're gonna cringe to death. Where can I upload it for easy sharing?

>>18553145
But he’ll cringe to death in SPANISH.

I submitted my manuscript to a local publisher. I don't know if they'll take it, but they are the only ones around who publish fantasy.

>>18553079
>Is it better to just write my guts out and edit later?
Yes, without a doubt. Get the story out first, there'll be ample opportunity to edit and polish later.

>write story
>Think of another story
>Want to drop current story
How do I keep myself going and finish the first story?

>>18553336
Make the second a spin off of the first one.

>>18553193
How do you even get traditional publishing? Do you just write them a letter send them a PDF file and hope for the best?

>>18553145
Don't worry. We all gotta start somewhere.

Share it on JustPaste.it

>>18553057
>>18553077
yeah its pretty gay literally

>>18553247
Thanks anon

>>18551837
>Are you a plotter or pantster?
Both. I outline major overall plot points, but for actual chapter scenes, I pants.

>>18552882
Wrapped up chapter 87 of my novel totaling up to a chunky 6.5k word count yesterday and published it as soon as it was done. It ended up taking a week because there were a lot of plot elements that landed on the cutting room floor during development. And now that it's done there are only 4 chapters left in the FMC's character arc. Excited but also sad since I won't see her again for a long time.

>>18553564
How do you have 87 chapters with only 6 thousand words? Even 65000 words that seems short.

>>18553679
The chapter itself is 6k words. The novel as a whole is just a few hundred words shy of 300k

>>18553690
That's not a novel, it's an almanac.

>>18553698
It's technically divided into volumes but presented as one work. Vol1 is like 150k and vol2 is ongoing at 130k.

>>18551837
I started writing short stories not too long ago. Normally they have some key or understanding behind them. It's becoming a good hobby.

>>18551837
Any idea on a type writer or anything to give me the old typing, writer feel? I am going to spend a month overseas writing and wont have the availability of a computer.

tfw 1st follower on royal road

is this what it feels like making it?

>>18553804
good job bro, now post the story

>>18552716
I would be glad to slurp the knobs off publishers so their NYT circles tell their people that my book is a masterpiece.

>>18551837
is there some sort of feels-a-pedia where I can get descriptors for common or uncommon emotional reactions to different scenarios? I've been told I lack empathy and would prefer my works can connect with a normal person

>>18553084
>>18553377
Here https: //justpaste it/2j3v1

>>18553494
Post it

Why do people like isekai so much?

>>18553804
Getting those early followers is hard part, but the more you write the more it sort of ramps up. For a number of reasons - a lot of people won't even bother clicking on a story with less than 50k or 100k words. At chapter 17 my story had like 18 followers. I remember it well because that chapter was controversial, it cost me 1 follower, I got an immediate 0.5 star review, but I also gained 3 followers. At chapter 36 now I have 64 followers. Apparently you can only get on the trending list when you have 25 reviews, which is another sort of milestone to aim for.
Basically what I'm saying is: that's great, don't get discouraged, keep on keeping on.

>>18554119
because real life is shitty so they want an escape.
why do authors like it? they can use modern day references and vernacular while also having a fantasy setting

>>18554119
They don't like the genre as much as the meta. They see Japanese works like Re:Zero getting big online. They think that it's possible to replicate the Narou phenomenon in America (it's not) and write their own, with the hope of their shitty Retard Road story lifting them out of being a NEET or McWagie, or even getting adapted into an anime at some point.

>>18554119
Reader wise? It's pretty much the ultimate form of escapism for the chinks, south Koreans, and Japs in particular. Their culture doesn't value individualism and so they can self insert themselves into an MC taken to a new world where people fawn over them because they're unique.

Author wise? Well.. In Jap/chink/korean terms, it's pretty much just free real estate. It's popular for the reasons above. Though in the West I'd say it's actually incredibly niched still outside of various webserial platforms. I think there's only one French publishing company that does Lightnovels/isekai.

>>18554198
This have a bare bones character with no redeeming qualities every fantasy girl wants his dick.

>>18553343
They have a website. They had a page of details to fill out, attach a CV (Not that I have one), then you attach a pdf and wait to see if they accept it.

>>18554152
I dont think any royal road story has ever achieved THAT much success.
Could be wrong though. has one?

>>18554119
Personally, I enjoy it for the foreign cultures and ideas. Which is why I dont tend to read many, my tastes are too high
But still, there's so much you can imagine with isekai, truly it has been dealt the worse hand.

>>18554129
Thanks for the comment, both chapters have the same number of views, so I hope that means I'm doing something right. I'll keep on going on! Thank you.

>>18554350
post your story
Or atleast post your genre's

>>18554119
designed to make self inserting as easy as possible. also the ultimate power fantasy

>>18554326
No, that's why I said it's not possible.

Can someone help me with this paragraph I wrote?

>“Showing your workout videos again Corey?” a voice behind Caleb asked.
The voice belonged to Virginia Porter. An older woman in her fifties. She had bright blue eyes and fiery red hair. She wore a bright white suit and with a matching skirt. The Vice President of Almond Tech was a highly respected and feared individual. Her uncanny ability to be able to understand and be involved in different aspects of the company’s operations made her an excellent corporate leader. Behind Virginia walked in a face Caleb did not recognize.

>>18554038
I just read it. It's not cringe at all. I think prose can improve. Like using commas instead of using too many "and".

And i think it could have a more engaging beginning. Like starting with Wilt's panic attack and then explaining Vía Ehtyll. Maybe you could write the information in a smooth way. For example: the monk could explain the nature of the village and the sacrifices, instead of the narrator doing it. I just don't like reading big chunks of information, I prefer it to be involved in the plot.

And by the way, there is already a novel called "El reino de las moscas"

>>18554370
mystery romance horror semi lovecraft

“Showing your workout videos again Corey?” a voice behind Caleb asked.
The voice belonged to Virginia Porter. An older woman in her fifties. Her eyes were bright blue, and hair was fiery red. She wore a bright white suit with a matching skirt. She was Vice President of Almond Tech, a highly respected and feared woman. Her uncanny ability to be understood, and to be involved in so many different aspects of the company’s operations, made her an excellent corporate leader. Walking in behind Virginia was a face Caleb did not recognize.

>>18554525
Thanks!

>>18554468
Thanks for your input. The use of the "and" conjunction was to convey speed but if it's tedious I'll change it. I don't wanna risk sounding like a 4 year old. And yeah maybe you're right. At the time I just wrote it as it came to me, but I could change the order of the contents no problem.
And, shit, I'll have to change the title then.

I just made a list of all the characters in my story and these are the results:

>69 (lol) named/reoccurring characters in total (30 dead at the end)
>20 major characters (9 dead)
>47 male characters (23 dead)
>22 female characters (7 dead)
>11 major male characters (6 dead)
>9 major female characters (3 dead)

"What's yer name Chinaman?" - Harden asked
"Ah... Zhong Xi Wei." - The oriental replied
"John? Yer name's John? Well god-dang it, Twain and Nast really are right that you Chinamen love the name John. Well pleasure to meet you John Chinaman."

Xi Wei smiled, and nodded. Xi Wei did not fully understand what Harden said, but he did understand the one word that mattered. "John". That is his American name. A good name that he will carry and define in this strange new world.

Something is missing here. I think it's Harden's speech patterns. Anyone know a good reference for southern dialect and speech patterns?

>>18554439
Personally I don't like the fact that you dumped so much of her in just one paragraph. Maybe scatter the info on her along the scene, y'know? I suppose that
>"Showing your workout videos again *there should be a comma here*, Corey?
is just the first line in a dialogue, if so, scatter the info on her along the other lines of this dialogue.
Or you can rewrite the description to be less wordy and broken, y'know?
>An older woman in her fifties
>she had bright blue eyes and fiery red hair
>she wore a bright white suit and a matching skirt.
(by the way, maybe try some better/not dead adjectives)
Sounds like you're writing while checking boxes, y'know?
In the second line of dialogue, Corey probably turns around, this time he sees her eyes and her hair, describe it then, same goes for her clothes.

>>18554660
How long is your story? Jesus Christ.
>>18554696
Kek, that's funny. I don't know any references but good job.
I'm also writing a story featuring ching chongs where some have silly names. I'm being fully serious. Did you know Cong Fu means River of Intelligence in Chinese? And that both words (Cong & Fu) are used as names?

>>18554763
>How long is your story? Jesus Christ.
I estimate that it will be ~475k at the end, split up over five books. I have two books already written (89k and 109k) and just finished planning out the rest today.

>>18554587
You are welcome

How many of you guys have read the books in the OP, and how would you rate them?

>>18554746
Thanks. Writing is hard.

I'm working on something that I've designed a lot of setting and universe material for, but not as much in the actual right now. What I have right now are several "chapters" that are actually just short stories that I want to connect in one narrative. I guess my problem is that they're short, only about 2k average word length. What's the best way to lengthen them and make something actually coherent out of it?

>>18554915
*actual writing

>>18554915
Make a narrative that characters from your short stories will appear in as minor characters.

You guys shitpost Wish mountain to death?

Alright I just wanted to find this thread to post a bit of my prose here and see what you guys find of it. I wrote this about some Camorra gangsters in a story I was writing.

https://pastebin.com/Jjg3cxqA

>>18551837
>Are you a plotter or pantster?
Why is it that the overwhelming majority of people I’ve run across in my writing groups are so in love with being pantsers? Is plotting out your story just not kewl these days?

>>18555387
Op here it's the idealized veiw of a writer just breezing through an entire book of the cuff.

>>18554778
Good luck, fren, I'm happy you're planning the shit out of it. No matter what dirty pantsers say, planning is always better.
>>18554908
yes, and also very rewarding. You're on a good path, asking for critique and what not, already better than Kafka and most of lit, if I may say so.
>>18555387
they're either lazy or Stephen "i don't know how to finish books" King fanboys. Once you plan you can never go back.

>>18555387
Plotting out TOO much CAN be restrictive. There's nothing wrong with doing both at the same time though.

>>18555387
I plot big overarching points. Everything in between is basically made up as I go. Some of the big plotted stuff ends up getting reworked/discarded, but its invaluable to have as a guidepost.

>>18551837
I just wrote this for a short story writing contest on a very left leaning website. Tell me what you guys think.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IY6pUX91dxPBmXnVGQuWA4qX11YEXqG1DgKTCEo_h84/edit

>>18555525
This. I have basically the big points that let me to even write the story planned out, along with some other details too, Then I just fill in the blanks that logically get me to point a to b within the characters personalities

>>18555637
Ergo, shitty reviewer here
1. "They were all wearing similar garb, clothes common for this era". I feel that here, describing the clothes they wear might be an improvement. While there is something to be said for show don't tell, it doesn't give us any visualization for what they wear, which could increase immersion. If you don't want to do that, another option would be to emphasize more the main characters distain for their clothing, as is might be beneath their notice.
2. You certainly know your audience, and while I would personally refrain from writing your plot, it will probably hit better
3. The ending was quite a twist. I liked it. Though it doesn't exactly fit with the idea of the second paragraph, which makes makes her sound like a experienced time traveler, rather than just a person with a second chance.
4. I understand the limitations of length in a short story, but that sure is alot of background. I don't think you should remove it, but maybe link it with "present" day activities? Walking through the crowd and such. Then again, it might be harder to do that, for not much benefit, so it is your judge.
5. As for grammar, it was good. No spelling errors that I could see (which doesn't mean there isn't any), and word choice kept me mostly invested. Though of course it helps that its short.

I would give it a 6-7/10.

>tfw rewriting for a nth time to achieve higher polish
it's so damned close but it's just not there yet. i have to bring out what i see in my mind because I almost have this damn thing pinned down.
>>18552721
>at 2am like clockwork
what fucking job do you have?

guys... i dont think another one is coming out. ive lost my reason to write it seems

>>18555980
>what fucking job do you have?
I work overnight security. Normally I head up to work at 11pm, do some reading, a bit of shitposting, get a bike ride in, and then sit down to write. My job is pretty awesome. The kicker is it's not even minimum wage.

I have the basic plot of my novel planned out

Now I just need to buy a laptop to start writing it properly

>>18555387
>Why is it that the overwhelming majority of people I’ve run across in my writing groups are so in love with being pantsers?
Stop saying "pantser." It makes you sound like a giggling schoolboy who has just imagined himself performing a naughty little catspank on the town bishop. You're never going to find the right self-label which is going to suddenly make you into a successful author, but your own silence can stop you from being a faggot right now.

Anyway. Art tends to attract very frivolous people. There's this sort of notion that you can just "feel" really, really hard and it'll come through in whatever you're making and touch people's hearts and if you get really rich and famous in the process, well, hey, that's just what you deserve for having all these super-intense feelings, you probably got them because of trauma anyway. Writing specifically attracts more people because there is a relatively low barrier to entry. You don't need to learn how to code or buy a camera to do it, although photography does attract the same kind of people, except they usually have more money. Singing is the same but for attractive people. I'm going to guess that you're ugly and poor. I know what you're thinking and let me just nip that in the bud: I am very handsome and wealthy. I'm only here because I've run out of things to succeed at. You may have seen my photographs in National Geographic or perhaps heard my voice on your radio. Anyway. There's also a lot of other reasons why a person might be stupid. You don't understand this, but we beautifuls are always being congratulated for mediocrity because people want our genes for their children. You've probably experienced something similar, where people didn't want to tell you that you were failing at something because you had enough to feel sad about already. But no one congratulates you and eventually you get bored. The beautiful man has a lot going against him. Society encourages us to take the easy way out, and very sadly many of us do. In romance, this takes the form of just happening to work with your girlfriend, even though we could do way better if only we believed in ourselves. In writing, this takes the form of posting half-baked thinkpieces to our social media accounts and watching the accolades roll in. The ugly man has his dedication and focus handed to him on a silver platter, whereas we blighted angels must overcome a lot of inertia to get serious about something. I can't count on society to ignore me until I do something meaningful, I've had to search deep within my heart to find the resolve to climb that mountain on my own, and all the way up I've had people telling me that I'm good enough already.

I've also read that people can just be genetically stupid, but I've gotten wise to the tricks of the poor and I don't believe that for a minute. Stupidity is just a form of laziness, which is just a form of ugliness. Shame on you, if that's your excuse for pantsing.

>>18556409
desktop or bust

/wg/, I had a moment last night where I realized why I've gotten burnt out on writing. For a while that sudden comprehension thrilled me, but now I'm feeling some trepidation

my problem was that I was rushing. I was putting so much pressure on myself to get things done that when I didn't see myself making progress fast enough I grew disappointed, frustrated and disillusioned. When I couldn't keep going I stopped to recover but tried to rush my recovery, leading to further decline

I know now I need to learn patience, but I can't shake the feeling that if I forget life is short, I'm never going to finish

When men were based... why are all writers now cringe nu males?

>>18556509
What I do is have multiple projects, but some are smaller ones that I can easily self publish, so it gives me a psychological boost of finishing something

>>18556521
Some surge of upstate new york and californian liberal arts college homos who became very rich and popular writing books like The Corrections and Infinite Jest changed the idea of the writer from a rugged individualist madman carving his own nest of broken beer bottles and cigarette butts into the face of the world as small as it may be as an act of revolt against a fundamentally flawed society to this of a stuffy, pretentious pseud dipshit who is still living off of the glory of being accepted into Harvard some good 20 years after graduating and whose entire life is basically just being an insufferable side character from American Psycho, whose rebellion against society are bland liberal takes and articles written in publications read by the human equivalent of erectile dysfunction.

Of course, this is for the people "in the know." Us common blue collar subhumans still think of the William Burroughs and Hemingways and Hunter Thompsons of the world when we think of the writer lifestyle.

>>18556554
I personally think of Pynchon when I think about the writer lifestyle. Do your writing to the best of your ability but court no personal fame. Maybe that's just because I'm a schizoid.

>>18556566
That is a very utilitarian way of seeing it, the ancient stoics would be very proud. Each to their own, I'd like to be very wealthy and famous and get much pussy out of it. Also I'd like to cause twitter ruckus by exposing my political takes on the current issue in the most based retard way possible.

>>18556554
>>18556566
>>18556571
>Of course, this is for the people "in the know." Us common blue collar subhumans still think of the William Burroughs and Hemingways and Hunter Thompsons of the world when we think of the writer lifestyle.
I can only hope, anon. It seems most blue collar people always get bogged down by work and I hope they have time to read. Most writers I've met irl just want to get GRRM tier rich, which is cringe, or even emulate said nu male, DFW.
I agree that fame is cringe, but I'm a schizo (odd: category A represent) too. Talking about just having some hedonistic lifestyle because of fame is cringe too, mainly because I've already drank heaps and taken most drugs available from ages 16-22. It only reminds me of Young Thug:
>I've done did a lot of shit just to live this here lifestyle
>We came straight from the bottom to the top, my lifestyle

>read a poetry collection alongside revising my draft
>finally got inspiration for a scene that fixed almost everything wthat had been wrong with the draft and filled it out
basically like in Spring Snow where Mishima wrote about the dead dog in the waterfall. It's similar to that and it just formed the keystone of the entire work. I fucking nailed it.
>>18556398
>this boi is paid to read and ride a bike and i'm wagecvcking my ass off at an office

>>18556521
I am based as fuck but since I can be so abrasive, I'm often misunderstood
>be me
>2015 or so local Writer's Fest
>a bunch of different local writers speaking, university people from UBC including a now-disgraced creative writing prof who was accused to doing something with women blah blah
>every single speaker acknowledged stolen land, colonialism
>every single speaker was completely feminist or nu-male
>I sat next to a lady who was writing a book for her daughter with downs' syndrome, we did shots of jack together
>she couldn't believe how political it had become, everything was a statement tied to SOME movement
>entire night was refugees, environment, diversity, lgbt+
>downs' syndrome book lady next to me was wasted and had some words with this hijabi who had wrote about the kara maru or some boat full of poos...
>the entire thing was extremely stiff and I could hardly relate to anyone. Had me question whether writers are all one exact archetype, or was I not a writer? It was extremely fucked up. Also, most of the white men there were gay. I was one of maybe 5% of the non-gay white male crowd.

>>18556591
Blue collars read, but they read very little. They're into the tried and true big names because their time is limited, as you've mentioned. Fame in itself is merely the recognition for your achievements, which is great, and the human instincts, which perhaps you don't have due to schizoid personality disorder, for recognition and persona building helps one want to create great works, sometimes, if they don't fall into the comfort of mass produced mediocrity.

>>18556627
It is just the homogenous orthodoxy of SJW topics into EVERYTHING these days. When things get political like that, it is easy to get abrasive, I do so all the time, and then I think I made a fool of myself, but then again, it is better to be Diogenes or Socrates than to be the common self-absorbed establishment worshiper forgotten by history.

>>18556627
>was I not a writer?
This is the most likely answer.

>>18556644
Nearly all of my friends have become self-identified neoliberals. I fought with them all over the last 3-6 months, mostly due to the mask and vaccine bullshit.

It was very painful to hear my friends basically say, "yeah well, I'm making 120k selling dog products on amazon and my mortgage is getting paid off fast, if I speak up, I'll be broke"

It is like everyone knows that consoomerism is the undeniable god of this world... just plug in, buy shit, and turn off your brain.

Maybe we are just victims of comfort? Seems like that is all that people want in 2021.

>>18556675
>It was very painful to hear my friends basically say, "yeah well, I'm making 120k selling dog products on amazon and my mortgage is getting paid off fast, if I speak up, I'll be broke"
Sounds great. You should do that instead of having delusions of being some great writer.

>>18556675
yeah fuck your friends for wanting to be healthy and have lots of money, we should all get covid and get on Andrew Yang's non-existent UBI instead

>>18556627
>this faggot again

>>18556627
So did the CW prof dick some bitch down who later regretted it? That's the usual story.

>>18556686
You lack a soul.

>>18556684
>>18556686
>just become the mega corporations' and government's little bitch for a basic sense of comfort and some easy money man
You're no men, you're a dependent fetus on an umbilical chord.

>>18556653
/Lit/ has an obsession with attacks on self-confidence wrapped in an excuse of preserving humility. There is a strong yin-yang here and I appear to have underestimated the personality types that dominate this space.

My next move is to figure out what these people see in me. Do I have potential? If I can get people to attack my plot after I fix my writing... we'll see!

>>18556718
Can you please stop shitting up literally every single thread you poke your head into?

>>18556701
Do you know what it is like to cause the differential of a BMW 318 to explode when you power-shift into 3rd with a 5.0 Ford V8 swap?

>>18556718
>My next move is to figure out what these people see in me
Either an animefag or a pseud. I was called an animefag for defending one, even though I never wrote anime before. But what are you going to do about it, when you have such insecure bitches here in the first place?

>>18556722
I'm waiting to see if a nemesis steps forward. I'm willing to be humbled if someone can defeat my arrogance.

Is it better off to experiment with how one writes? I've never planned ahead much, besides for a creative writing course where we were asked to write a plot line for a novel (I never completed it because it was a massive, sprawling work that only a pseud could conceive of). I focus on poetry, but I'd like to branch out to novel writing.

>>18556717
> Penguin Random House comes knocking on the door
> anon, we've seen your Royal Road and our readers would buy that like hotcakes
> we'd sell that in Walmart-Rakuten, Amazon-Kindle, Barnes and Noble, everywhere
> please write us a novel!!!
> no man, I'm not some mega publishing house's bitch, find someone else to sell out

>>18556727
I will be fucking ecstatic the day I see someone from /Lit/ post:

"Hey thanks Jason I followed your system and put out my 1st book, made some sales and managed to make rent off my book. Thanks bro!"

I'm sure I'll find enough suckers to buy my shitty, horribly written book that I'll be able to survive and bang a woman worthy of posting on the internet. My heart is thinking about the next generation of dudes who have been fed nothing but onions and blackpills. Jesus I weep for the next generation.

every time I write it's nonsense schizo ramblings and it only makes me more depressed and paranoid
Is this normal?

>>18556736
There’s still a charm and love of independent small presses, anon. Let writers choose their path.

>>18556736
Precisely. FUCK trad-publishing, self-publishing reaps much bigger rewards. For example self-publishing through Amazon (which is mega corps I know) gives you 60% of revenue as opposed to 15%¨in traditional publishing out there.

I might as well print this shit MYSELF.

>>18556749
I'll rather self-publish.

>>18556745
I get that way but you should look into Ezra Pound. He turned his rambling into an artform.

>>18556736
Do you believe for a second that a salty white male bro with any sort of masculinity would ever be approached by a publisher in Canada?

Can you name a single manly bro who is trad pubbed in 2021?

Like... this board has been awesome in directing me to really good substacks and counter-culture tiktoks... but there are zero counter-culture trad pubbed books.

>>18556750
Godspeed. Look into bookstagram or booktube. It’s a good way to get other writers to shill their books to you, and you can have a whole wankfest over how great you are. If you don’t pull off other writers, there’s no point to writing. It’s half the pay off and how you make a name for yourself.

is there any good resources that can help increase my vocab and speech skills make me sound like an Englishman

>>18556796
google it

>>18556796
Listen to Aesop Rock.

Nah I'm fucking with you, you're gonna have to read more.

>>18556744
This guy is like a character study in narcissism.

>>18556796
Get a role Oliver! the musical

> Thomas James Mace-Archer-Mills (born Thomas James Muscatello August 18, 1979), is an American commentator on the British royal family. In 2012 he founded the British Monarchist Society,[2] an organization that supported the monarchy of the United Kingdom.[3]

> Posh royal expert exposed as Tommy from upstate New York
Thomas J Mace-Archer-Mills Esq, the plummy-voiced leader of the British Monarchist Federation, was a regular feature on TV channels during May’s royal wedding, dispensing wisdom on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s union while wearing a bow tie and tweed jacket.

Unfortunately for the overseas news outlets who booked him in the belief they were getting an authentic upper-class Englishman, according to the Wall Street Journal, he is actually Thomas “Tommy” Muscatello, a 38-year-old Italian-American who grew up in upstate New York. He said he had begun finishing conversations with friends by saying “God save the Queen” and had adopted a British accent, despite living in Bolton Landing, a town close to the Vermont border.

His father, Thomas Muscatello Sr, said of the teenage Tommy’s obsession: “He told me, ‘Dad, someday I want to move over there and be part of what’s going on.’”

> Mace-Archer-Mills was born in Glens Falls, New York and grew up in Bolton Landing, New York. His father, Thomas Sr. is of Italian descent.[11] In his youth, he gained an interest in British history and had visited the United Kingdom extensively as a teenager. While at high school, his anglophilia was so strong that he started to use the phrase "God save the Queen" and also attempted to speak in a British accent. Mace-Archer-Mills began using the accent while he was working on a high school production of the musical Oliver! in which he played Mr. Sowerberry. This voice has now completely replaced his native Upstate New York accent, even when he visits his family back in America.[11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNF_96jHNk

>>18556802
>aesop rock
my maaaaaan

>>18556868
Look
Unsigned hype
Front line aeronauts flurry
Zero dark thirty
Zero friends minotaur-fugly stepchild
Evoke lunch jumped over plunging necklines
Up, beside tongue-tied hungry enzymes
Devote one into mothmen munching textiles
Punisher
Out past go-time
Back 10 fried worms chubbier
Brown grass both sides

Is Amazon self-publishing worth it? I wrote a short children's story, but I have no illustrations. I just want to get it out there.

>>18556992
Yeah, all the zoomers have a book or two out on Amazon now. Publish it, you can always add illustrations later

>>18556982
dead men tell no tales
push the daisies till the soil is stale
and a pat of blue touch for the farmers sale
mister big sleep with the carbon cale
once apon on a time in the days of yore
when the people lived fresh out of legend and folklore
there was a old pirate who piloted a vile slang
had a bird perched on him a swashbuckle the same
peg-leg navigate him starboard to port
by the nautical starry day yelling the harbor is yours
and you should tell him where you situated the gold
that is unless you like a vacation with davy j-j-j--jones

>>18557005
>you can always add illustrations later

>buy book
>liked it
>author added illustrations
>would have to buy book again to see them
>what the fuck anon

Can someone help me write this better? I want to write a scene about a woman fainting, sort of like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9agUz5cQCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbSFw7NTneQ

Emily was suddenly silent. She stood still, although unsteadily and swaying back and forth. Her eyes rolled back into her head. The audience wondered what she was annoyed about. Then, stiff as a board, she fell backwards. Mr. Gibson caught her when her head was only inches from the ground.

>>18556554
>tryharding this much to write the longest sentence while still being gramatically correct
>lol this comes naturally to me, this is how i write!
Fag.

>>18557220
>Although
>Passive voice explanation for audience
The scene focus changes to Mr.Gibson for some reason

>>18557274
Never seen a rant before, buddy? Maybe you shouldn't access 4chan at the flower of the age of five.

So, after reading the thread, is /wg/ trash or?

>>18557305
Enormously so.

>>18557305
Yes, but so is the rest of the internet, and here we can spew shit on eachother without having to think about logins or consequenses.
And even in a turdpile there’s often an undigested kernel of arguable value.

How do I get good at writing scenery?

>>18557386
refer to >>18556741

>>18557305
Yes, too much autism and ego-tripping, too little talking about writing.

>>18557305
pseuds killed it.

>>18556619
Well done anon. For all the mishima threads on here why do they like his works ?

>>18557479
>taking something seriously makes you a pseud
This is why you're never going to make it