/lit/ - Literature

Now that the dust has settled, were they based or cringe?

Sex Books

Anyone read these? I feel like the standalones, Chasm City and the Prefect, were better than the trilogy, although Pushing Ice was meh.

Great ideas and hard sci-fi while having a great dark tone and mood. Revelation Space is great too, but gets a bit too space operay midway through the second book.

>tfw no Anasurimbor Serwa gf :(

Any good novels with a little girl protagonist?

>>18593411
The Girl With All the Gifts

Zombie apocalypse story, pretty good

>>18593411
Literally Tanya the Evil, it's autisitically good.

>>18593604
It's a man

>>18593604
>Weebshit
No, thanks.

>>18593607
You're supposed to self insert as Loria
>>18593608
Your lost.

>>18592443
>>18593328
>>18593339
Damn, do we have more Thrones of Glass in this thread than that one guy?

>>18593411
Ascendance of a Bookworm
Sorry, but Japan is the only place that appreciates little girls

I want to get into The Southern Reach trilogy by Vandermeer, but I'm not sure whether I should read just Annihilation or the whole thing.

Are the three novels a cohesive story? Is reading just Annihilation and then stopping like reading just Fellowship of the Ring (i.e. pointless) or is it more similar to Neuromancer in respect to the Sprawl trilogy (i.e. you can perfectly enjoy reading just Neuromancer)?

Asking because I have the option of just buying the first book or buying the whole trilogy in a single volume.

>>18593388
friend keeps recommending Chasm City to me. I'm having a hard time getting through it. lots of clumsy exposition dumps to sift through.

>>18593354
They're not wrong, but they basically paid globohomo a bunch of money to write some nasty articles about them, which is pretty fucking stupid. Do not give nerd abusers money. Ever. Never mention their works other than to deride them or encourage piracy.

>>18593411
wee free men

>>18593340
T O K Y O
G H O U L

>>18593388
It was a recent /sffg/ group read.

I am enjoying Eye of the World

>>18593607
good point

>>18593411
To Kill a Mockingbird

>>18594143
No, he's depressed because he ran into an old professor who complimented him on writing 'children's fantasy;' I love Bakker's writing and I love the Second Apocalypse, but Bakker himself has an autistically high opinion of himself. For example, he's acknowledged that he would make bank via Patreon, but refuses because he thinks it's beneath him. He also gets ridiculously butthurt whenever he perceives his philosophical and academic achievements under attack, and has actually gone off on people in the TSA forums.
>>18594133
Here's how Ajokli can still win: Cnaiür is possessed, and only needs some way of physically seeing the No-God. Also, the Scylvendi are now 100 percent in Ajokli's pocket, and probably now on a mission to kill Lokung, since everyone will believe Kelmomas was killed by the Horde and that Kellhus is the No-God; Cnaiür/Ajokli left the Scylvendi in Moënghus' care precisely because he won't fall for any Dûnyain tricks, and will see through the genocide against the Dûnyain to the bitter end. Right now, that means killing the Consult and Lokung. It's actually a brilliant back-up plan.
>>18593407
>ywn be Sorweel, bang Dûnyain witches, save Ishterebinth, and get taken into the embrace of a loving mommy-goddess
It hurts, dude... It really hurts.

On a Pale Horse by Piers Anthony is a classic when it comes to original Sci-fi/Fantasy's. It's one of my personal favorites.

Are all 4 books of the hyperion cantos split up into shorter stories like the first? Do they each end on a cliffhanger until the 4th book?

>>18594661
Only the first one is like that. It's basically 2 modules of 2 books.

Is this the greatest series of all time?

>>18594652
I liked his “Battle circle” Trilogy, but I was young when I read them.

>>18594778
No, it fucking sucks. Stop spamming in every thread, nigger.

>>18594778
Looks like self insert garbage. My kid sister wouldn’t read this.

>>18593340
I want a recommendation:
Are there any good sci-fi novels set in space or other planets where the protagonist is a CEO?
I'm picturing a Tony Stark-like guy who's in charge of an asteroid mining company, or something.
I've read and enjoyed plenty of books where the corporations are the bad guys, and I want a change of pace.
A few PKD novels have CEO characters of variable sympathetic-ness in their cast, but I'm wanting something more like hard sci-fi.

>>18594816
Write the books you want to read.

>>18593388
Alastair Reynolds, Gregory Benford, and if you like reading gazillion word trilogies, Peter F. Hamilton.
Love me some hard sci fi.
My advice: just enjoy it and don't be so critical. Reynolds creates beautiful new worlds and species. Good stuff

>>18594816
>Are there any good sci-fi novels set in space or other planets where the protagonist is a CEO?
Peter F. Hamilton's The Commonwalth Saga

>>18593388
House of Sun's is one of his good standalones.

Is unto leviathan/ship of fools any good? won phillip k dick prize and I got it for 20p at a charity shop. worth reading?

>>18595120
you got it, didn't you?

>>18594816
It's maybe not quite what you're looking for, but one of the main protagonists of Orson Scott Card's two Formic War prequel trilogies, Lem Jukes, fits the bill pretty well. He starts out as a corporate asshole who attacks free miners to steal the asteroid they've been mining for his own purposes, so that he can climb the corporate ladder faster. But as soon as the real villains of the story enter the stage, the aliens known as Formics, he undergoes a good deal of character development and ultimately becomes instrumental to the war effort on the business side of thing. For instance he's willing to cut through corporate red tape to get shit done that needs to get done. Even though in the beginning it seems like he's poised to be the guy you're supposed to hate, he's actually a character that really grows on you and he unexpectedly became my personal favorite out of all the main protagonists. If I dare use the word, Lem might be something of a subversion of the corrupt corporate executive stereotype.

The two trilogies veer towards hard sci-fi too, despite the alien invasion, because humanity is still very low tech at the start of the war and has never ventured outside its own solar system. Therefore most although not all of the technology the characters have available is on the down-to-earth, plausible side of things.

Besides all that, I have really enjoyed the Formic War series immensely so far and would recommend it regardless. Eagerly waiting for the final volume to drop.

>epic fantasy the nigger of the genre fiction world
I've thought about this since the post in the last thread and instead of saying "just you" I actually agree now.
>forced as "beloved classics"
>women love or at least pretend to love them
>go on forever to become tiresome, a la negro fatigue
etc.

I'm a faggot who plays Destiny, and I've recently learned that all the good writing in the game came from Seth Dickinson. Are his books any good?

>>18595690
>Seth Dickinson. Are his books any good?
The first one is okay.
Despite the atrociously sjw plot premise "A tribal native lesbian wants to take revenge on the colonist imperials for killing one of her two fathers by infiltrating empire's ZOG", the plot is fairly interesting. It's the first time I've encountered the adventures of an economy accountant in a fantasy setting, who uses her economical knowledge for plot-relevant purposes.
There's a decent world-building, the whole concept of an empire using masks for anonymity of its bureaucracy is an intriguing concept.
And the author even tries into some objectivity and ambiguity, for example, making the protagonist at one point lament, that the very same empire she wants to ruin also delivers lots of cool sciencey stuff, she loves.

The following books, however, are absolute shit. The protagonist significantly dumbs down, the intrigues and any subtlety disappear, and the whole plot turns into protagonist showing off like "Hey, look at me, imma lesbian!"

>>18595867
>making the protagonist at one point lament, that the very same empire she wants to ruin also delivers lots of cool sciencey stuff, she loves.
Down with Capitalism! -- Posted from my iPhone

>>18595234
thank you

>>18593614
>Your lost
Fucking lmao

Has anyone here read Gnomon? I wanted something "big and smart" like Anathem and someone recommend this to me.

Is the first law series worth reading past the initial trilogy?

>>18594649
Hmm, that's interesting. Did Bakker ever explain why the Scylvendi ever ended up fighting for and worshipping the No-God? Depending on the reason Moenghus may have a hard time getting them to fight Lokung, their Dead-God come back to life.

Is C.S Lewis' Space Trilogy worth it?

>>18596116
If you're interested in theology, absolutely.

https://youtu.be/4lMm4oqGykY
https://youtu.be/dH1nN7CPSA0
https://youtu.be/-6UgMxJom5I

>>18595867
>A tribal native lesbian wants to take revenge on the colonist imperials for killing one of her two fathers

>>18594290
Purchase and read John C. Wright's novels

>>18595690
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_text=Dickinson&search_tripcode=sffg

>Destiny
>good writing
Nice joke

>>18595867
> It's the first time I've encountered the adventures of an economy accountant in a fantasy setting, who uses her economical knowledge for plot-relevant purposes.
It wasn't the first time for me. Cithrin bel Sarcour from the The Dagger and the Coin series is similar character in that regard. Probably have been others, including some that I don't simply remember.

> The following books, however, are absolute shit
It does seem that it's going that way, I've only read the first and second books.

>>18593378
Any sff kinos where lots of women get raped and enslaved, besides Gor? The more graphic and unapologetic, the better.

>>18596075
Did you like the initial trilogy?
If yes, then maybe so.
If you didn't, then certainly not.
Do note that the books increasingly diverge from what they began, which is for the better and worst, depending on who you are and what you want from them.

>>18596278
I'm sure there's plenty of erotica and self-published works that cater to your interest.

>>18596278
Bakker

Any good fantasy books similar to what Markus Heitz writes? (Dwarves series, etc)
I was reading his Legends of the Alfar, but libgen doesn't have books 3 and 4 and now I have nothing to read.

>>18596290
The problem with erotica is that they don't have much to offer besides the porn. What I desire are well written stories with interesting characters that just so happen to nonchalantly treat all women as sex objects as part of the setting.

>>18596325
>>18596291

Do you guys hate KKC? I was looking through the book recs in the OP as I've just finished it and it's either no where or under " Shit Fantasy". The only thing I didn't care for in the books was the conversational tone and the fact the Kvothe comes off as a bit of a Mary Sue, but if you looks closer he does fuck plenty of things up.

>>18596365

>>18596325
Logan Jacobs, A self-publishing on Amazon

How do you people find self-published shit anyway? It seems impossible to actually find anything relevant to my interests without wading through a mountain of amateur erotica.

>>18596369
Dear god

>>18596325
So basically anything written centuries ago.

>>18596420
>>18596369
Yeah he's a douchey SJW, virtue signaling jack ass and much more. What do you think about his writing though?

>>18596369
What kinda pozzed shit is this?

>>18596373
The cover looks nice at least, I think I'll check it out.

>>18596437
Millennia ago is more like it. The Rape of the Sabine Women is an awesome mythos to be sure, but there really isn't much like it. Would be nice if it had a novelization.

>>18593411
fuck off, pedo faggot

>>18596444
I quit three chapters into his first novel. Haha. So, now I can hate his work and him personally.

Books with a post apocalyptic scenario?
I want some survival-themed more than a "look people are bad when resources are scarce boohoo"

>>18596325
What about Howard's Conan?

>>18594120
You can stop at Annihilation. The other two are hit or miss.

>>18596505
Earth Abides

>>18596515
Conan lore being misogynist is a meme come about from people who judge it on some of the juicy artwork. There are powerful queens and female warriors.

>>18593031
who?

Has anybody read the Sun Eater books?

The description looks pretty neat but reviews seem to be all over the place.
Premise sounds interesting at least.

>>18595690
>mfw Woman Ruins Everything: the Novel

>>18596550
Howard was a looksmax incel edgelord who committed suicide at 30 year old. It's all true.

>>18594120
The single volume hardcover doesn't really cost that much and it's a really good looking book, you might as well if you're even considering it.

>>18596550
Yeah. We have Gor for that.

>>18594120
I didn't like book 2 but I've heard arguments for it. But book 3 is necessary.

>>18594652
Incarnations of Immortality was probably his best series

>>18596365
It's garbage, I hate his prose, the nonsense plot, etc

>>18596666
the devil is right, you know

>>18594778
new series incoming

>>18596644
Merphy Napier. Dime a dozen book tuber.

>>18596365
I stopped reading it 1/4 of the way. Kvothe wasn’t interesting to me. Maybe it got better, but I’ll never know.

AND IT’S ON AND ON,
ON AND ON AND ON,
IT’S HEAVEN AND HELL
OH WELL

https://youtu.be/idn50Xj_CiY

>>18594786
Piers Anthony is a trip to read as an adult because he vacillates through pretty good writing, futa, GRI, torture porn, and /r/cuckolding memes, and you never know when you're going to fall through the rabbit hole or how weird it's going to get. One of those dudes like Heinlein where you just have to stop and laugh sometimes.

>>18596657
He was gay bro.

>>18596883
That changes nothing about what I typed.

Fellow degenerates, is there any goodish /sffg/ stuff out there with a /ss/ focus?

>>18596933
>Howard was a looksmax incel
supporting
>Conan lore being misogynist
except
>He was gay
Gyno-realism isn't misogyny. Don't play that reddit shit here.

>>18596982
Fetishes aren't usually the focus in general.

>>18596990
>Gyno-realism
Congrats on coining a new term along the lines of race-realist.

>>18596883
He wasn't gay but he was a momma's boy and in fact a feminist whiteknight.

>>18596992
I have seen people talk about litRPG and more adult webnovels here before, which generally have an erotic/pornographic element to it, so I am asking that.

>>18596999
Don't wrap yourself in a blanket of lies woven by weak straight dudes, Roastessa. It only leads to suffering.

>>18597034
I mean, it's all speculative, but I strongly support the gay hypothesis. He wasn't on Elliot Rogers trip for sure.

>>18595120
I really liked it. There aren't a lot of space horror books out there and this one is really good.

>>18596105
Before walking into the Whirlwind and presumably merging with it, forming a Cnaijokli-cursed dust shroud around the Carapace, Cnai cursed the Scylvendi for seven generations if they would ever betray Moënghus. IIRC the curse was delivered in the most emphatic of terms possible. I feel like such a curse, from one whose swazond were literally smoking with hate, would carry a certai. weight among the superstitious Scylvendi.

>>18594649
KEK. Yes, Bakker’s fucking great, but his gigautistic inability to take criticism or accept any friendly ribbing is his Achille’s heel. Between the bluehair tumblr feminazis who wanted to cancel him; his publisher, with whom he spatted endlessly about TUC; and his fans, with whom he maintains a standoffish relationship, Bakker’s highly inflated self perception as a genius, his obvious insecurity, and his raging Canadiautismo are the shit in his proverbial icecream of his authorly persona.

He hasn’t updated his blog in almost a year and a half. What the fuck, Scotty?

Any good horror sci-fi books? Stuff with a Dead Space feel, or zombie xenos or something. Desperation, last stands, humanities light dwindling, universe is fuck.
That sort of stuff.
Would love some info

>just finished the first chapter/prologue of my sci-fi book
It’s shit. I love it.

>>18597742
based, keep it up

>>18597742
What is it about?

>>18596505
>Wool (The Silo Series)
>The Passage (trilogy)
Both are interesting takes on how humanity may eventually end. Entertaining reads throughout for both, I prefer the Passage series of the two, for what it's worth.

Should I read the broken earth series?

>>18598029
That depends. Are you someone who:
A) understands that authors are a product of their time and there is bound to be some influence (in this case political) that bleeds through in the text, and the story can still rich in the face of that
or
B) a faggot

>>18598069
I don't get it
please elaborate

>>18598081
People on this board can't seem to get over the fact that the author is a black female, and try to declare the trilogy a failure since it has undertones of slavery and injustice, saying that it's a pandering work playing off of the current political climate.
The truth is that the books are fine, and well worth a read if you like dystopian novels. Yes, there is some political slant that can be attributed to how the author no doubt was influenced in her own life. Who cares? It's a fantasy book, read it or don't. If you do, just enjoy it.

>>18598105
did you enjoy it?

>>18598109
Yeah it's a good concept and kept me entertained till the end. I thought she did a good job and would recommend it to anyone who likes dystopian stories on the bleaker end of the spectrum. I'm glad I read them, and will probably re-read them at some point.

>>18598139
It's a trilogy, right?
I don't mind politics as long as it's not jews crying about the holocaust

>>18598148
It's a trilogy, yes. Read on, enjoy the ride.

>>18598178
aight

>>18598148
>as long as it's not jews crying about the holocaust
Thank YOU! holy shit, I can't fucking stand it anymore, FuCK YOu, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND ACTING LIKE SUCH FUCKING VICTIMS

>>18598029
No, because it was written by a woman.

Dis any gud?

>>18598105
>the fact that the author is a black female
because the book is ALL undertones and pandering, to the point of being a distracting plot hole
it goes nowhere (worthwhile) with it's starting premises
I cannot believe it was judged on the merit of it's story

>books are fine
Mighty praise.
I disagree. I think they were, bad. Like among the worst I've read to the end.

>>18598383
>I cannot believe it was judged on the merit of it's story
It wasn't. Nobody would know or care about Jemisin if she wasn't given the affirmative action award purely to spite the puppies. That's literally the only reason she is celebrated as an author.

It has taken me nearly 3 years, but I'm finally closing in on a final draft of my first fantasy novel. I doubt I'll pursue publishing, but I'm glad I did it.

>>18598069
>some influence (in this case political)
>some
It's seeping with it

>>18598430
Congratulations anon. I think following your writerly passion just for the fun of it is a good thing. Glad you feel good about it as you should. What did you write about?

>>18598430
Awesome! Good luck on the final draft

>>18598430
congrats anon, that is a big accomplishment. wish we could read a short passage or at least hear you speak about the premise and concept

>>18598378
>female author
No, it isn't.

>>18598430
You should post it somewhere like Royal Road, you could build up a following for your next book

>>18597742
Unfathomably based, anon-kun, keep at it bro

i liked it

>>18598105
Based diversity anon. Reparations for Jemesin now!

What are the best chosen one stories? I don't care if they're "generic" or not.

>>18598942
Unironically Wheel of Time

>>18598950
I tried Wheel of Time and didn't like it. When I say generic I mean like The Once and Future King. Classic hero adventures.

>>18596505
Canticle for leibowitz

>>18598690
It was good so if you didn't like it then you'd have bad taste

>>18599002
That is literally Wheel of Time. It is the quintessential classic hero adventure. And, I would say it is close to the best.

>>18598545
Why is this website so overrun with you gynophobic faggots?

>>18599154
I'll give it a second look if you vouch for it that much.

>>18597889
Well my story is about a religious woman who’s apart of a research vessel exploring an ocean world. Her personal reasons for going is that she’s looking for proof her religion is the right one. But this prologue was just about two aliens finding her in an escape pod drifting through deep space. I’m considering these new captchas as mysterious runes, holy fuck

>>18599173
Don't, it's shit.

>>18599173
Well, just to be clear, the thing about WoT is that it is literally the author's long-form interpretation of the "classic hero adventure." The Wheel of Time passage at the start is all about storytelling itself, with Heroes becoming Legend and all that in a perpetual cycle (that is, stories of new Heroes always being told, cycling through old legends to give birth to newer ones, etc etc). So, essentially, it is the author doing his damnedest to do the Classic Hero Adventure justice, to play a Prophesized Hero completely straight, to go through the hero monomyth without subverting it, to do the ancient stories justice. The legend of King Arthur is referenced semi-often, and is one of the classic stories it is absorbing into the myth it is trying to reflect.

In short, it's fully understandable to dislike Wheel of Time. You may dislike the prose, or the characters, or whatever. But it has to be understood that it is THE classic hero adventure. You cannot get much more classic hero adventure than it. WoT is an author being as honest and direct as he can with creating an honest to god classic hero adventure. So, if you're going to dismiss it, definitely don't do say while saying "actually what I want is a classic hero adventure." Because at that point, you surely missed something about WoT.

>>18595120
Ship of Fools is pretty good space horror

>>18596278
>lots of women get raped and enslaved, besides Gor
Bio of a Space Tyrant by Piers Anthony - more rape, murder and rape-murder than you can shake a stick at.

Looking for stuff with mystical schizo undertones and symbolism that builds towards a grand narrative, similar to PKD. Any suggestions?

>>18599504
Throne of Glass

Just saw Hathaway and Im craving some mech shit. Is there anything hard sci mech out there?

>>18599504
The Shadowmarch quadrilogy by tad Williams might be a thing. Very long and very confucing with all the different names and different stories of the gods in the various cultures but the ending left nothing to be desired in regards to epicness. Also holy shit I hate this new captcha.

>>18599504
BAKKER

This was honestly very fascinating.
Feel like an experiment in writing a novel where the protagonist has absolutely minimal control over the plot. They make a couple of decisions and appointments but stuff mostly just happens to them.

>>18599504
Bakker

Just finished reading this "book". What an awful ending.

>>18599509
>>18599533
>>18599535
>>18599647
Thank you, friends.

>>18599533
>Also holy shit I hate this new captcha.
It's based. They need to make it even harder to post IMO.

Just finished reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and a few of Dicks short stories, I thoroughly enjoyed them. I cant believe how shit Blade Runner is now. Will probably move onto
>>18599652
As I dont really read too much Sci-Fi.

>>18599652
Continue to the next book at least.

>>18599652
>Dune
>Ending

>>18599624
There's a second book set in the universe. It's rather different though.

>>18599677
> They need to make it even harder to post IMO
100% agree. These threads should be able to last a month each.

The Darkness That Comes Before and Neuropath both seem to go pretty hard on determinism and elimitavism. Even the Heavens and Hells of Erwa have to be semi-material things you can see with magic.

And yet, the Dunyain seem to be striving for some sort of Hegelian Absolute Knowing, chasing the Concept. Even the terms sound like Hegel.

Is Bakker's problem that in the back of the mind he knows his main theories and BBT are insufficient to explain reality? Thus, admission that Hegel is in fact the greatest sorcerer ever?

I like bad endings.

>>18599805
his problem is being a philosphytard in the first place

>>18599898
Not a problem, at all.

>>18599624
Oh and as a sidenote the anti-revolution rant the book suddenly goes on is hilarious.
The author's such an american liberal that they felt the need to add in this weird screed about how it's not worth making things better if people die that's in an entirely different tone and intensity from everything before or after it.

>>18599173
If you didn't like the first 100 pages of WOT you aren't ever going to like it. I think even most fans can agree it goes downhill somewhat and gets really bloated after the first book or two.

Have your read Wizard of Earthsea? For the most part it's a pretty classic hero quest.

>>18599062
Literally a perfect book. Surprisingly funny in places too, but I wouldn't say it's survival themed. I've never read a survival themed post-apoc book now that I think of it.

>>18599889
What are your favourite ones with a bad ending?

>>18599889
Me too Anon.

>>18599889
Not "bad" per say, but I really enjoy ambiguous endings that leave room for speculation.

>>18600314
>per say
No.

>>18600379
Does it trouble you?

Where do you go next with Moorcock after you're done with the original 6 Elric novels? I'm gonna read the ones that came after, but he has also written a lot of other stuff and I'm not sure what to pick up. Should I continue with his other Eternal Champions or jump in something different entirely in his catalog?

>>18600393
Not that anon- though Incorrect spellings on their own don't bother me per se, if nobody corrects it or calls it out you're going to keep looking like an idiot.

>>18600408
>anon- though
No.

>>18600408
Your sintax needs work.

>>18600412
> sin tax
Might I beg you for an indulgence?

>>18600428
I don't take requests.

Would Don Quixote be considered a fantasy book?

>>18600456
Anything who thinks it's any good is living a fantasy, that's for sure.

>>18599160
this is 4chan, what did you expect?

>>18599160
That isn't necessarily the case. Anonymity provides the illusion of consensus.

>>18600456
No, it's quite the opposite. It's a criticism of fantasy books.

>>18600456
No, it would be considered a parody, which it is.

>>18596369
I hate the Antichrist.

>>18596369
I feel sullied and unusual.

>>18599805
No, the Dunyain are just fucking retarded. They have a fundamentally flawed view of their universe.

Recommend me something grimmer than Tanith Lee's White as Snow.

>>18600962
>grimmer
As always, Bakker

>>18598029
I really liked it, but I also like brandy sandy so apparently I have bad taste

>>18600962
>There are some beautiful aspects of this book, and then there's the fact that nearly every female character is raped, often multiple times.
Holy based, thanks for the recommendation.

>>18596325
The Barrow. Sex isn't the main focus, but its present in pretty much every passage. There's a good bit of humor stuff too though. The characters were pretty good and it goes in heavy on the lore.

>>18601193
>a good bit of HOMO stuff

Goddamn fucking auto correct.

Why no Proyas/Saubon slashfic?

Any story about inheriting great power and discovering your ancestry/past?

>>18601030
I wouldn't be so sure.

>>18601193
>>18601199
Only at the very end, 1 line.

>>18601210
Realm of the Elderlings does have that

>>18601210
>any story about the most generic fantasy plot ever
no, nobody has ever done this

>>18601232
then it should've been easy for you to list some off then
inb4 I could've done it if I wanted to

so...why does a lot of modern fantasy place itself in medieval settings?

>>18601236
Tolkien. That's the reason.

>>18601210
Throne of Glass.

>>18601236
Lot of fantasy started in britain, any later and it becomes part of learned history and less 'fantastical'. Any older and you're either writing authurian or roman hist fic which are both slightly different genres.
Also the middle ages are the sweet spot where there's enough development for stuff to happen but not enough that a society with magic would be vastly different from our real one.

when is the sino fantasy aesthetic going to go mainstream

Fuck E William Brown
No Book Published ion 2020 nor 2021.

Also Fuck the new Captcha

>>18601290
Someone should make a Water Margin or JTTW streaming series to really kick it off
Trouble is that it would have to be done in Chinese to get max appeal but that wouldn't register with western audiences and doing it in english wouldn't get audiences to justify the budget.

So instead all we'll probably get is immigrant and historian novels.
>>18601309
>Also Fuck the new Captcha
I added like 4 lines to my post and my captcha expired and I had to do a new one :(

Can anyone recommend me some authors who write more mature sci-fi stories? I'm talking specifically darker, grim, militaristic maybe even horror settings. (I don't mean game of thrones dark where there's rape and shit scattered everywhere or Warhammer 40k where everything is over the top.) I'm actually more interested in who is publishing these stories.

>>18601309
The one good thing about the new captcha is no phonefags.

>page 7
So it was true? It's only phonefags that were infesting the general?

Recommendations for novels that are in/go into space but stick between the earth and the moon? Preferably in orbit?

Liked Neuromancer, reading the Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Count Zero now(I like to read one book at home, one on the move on public transit)

Given that if space travel becomes feasible in our lifetimes that space is gonna be the most likely we'll have access to

>>18601894
people just don't read

anyone into the Riverworld series? I'm about midway through The Fabulous Riverboat. Liked the first book, the second Clemens is kinda wimpy but I'm enjoying it so far. I heard the ending is disappointing somewhere, seems to be the standard for many a long running series

I find certain things hard to picture/seeming odd. Like grass on the river bottom. Also I really wanna know what the riverdragons look like, they're supposedly the biggest fish and called riverdragons but I don't think they described them much so far. No concept art of this series exists online, and the miniseries was so bad it was laughable. Calling it c-tier feels generous

any webnovels to recommend me?

I NEED SOME FANTASY WISH FULFILLMENT KINO
PLEEEAAASE

>>18602186
The japs do nothing but wish fulfillment.
Every farmboy chosen one story is wish fulfillment.

>>18602210
I hate asians though I want some PROPER fantasy.
Like the kingkiller chronicles but not written by a retard

>>18602217
But chinks have the tightest pucci

>douchebag in a shitty band gets to marry the ideal holowaifu
I had more fun reading this than Virtual Light, although they both boil down to essentially being thrillers. This one was much lighter on the thriller parts though, which helped it a lot. The entire Internet just being VR and observable data is the only actually outdated part, but in Chia's half they're just a "dude the future lmao" stand in for forums and chat rooms anyway.

>>18601904
I do often find myself wondering if novels have much of a future with so much competition from TV and movies, vidya, or even just short Youtube clips. People who read Harry Potter rather than having watched the adaptations are already part of the upper half of the population as far as occupying yourself with literature outside school is concerned and that's a low bar to clear. It seems borderline miraculous novels are trucking on as well as they are.

>>18602465
Well I do audiobooks, it's the only way I can keep up with books with no longer being a NEET.

If I read books with my eyes I would be doing less than 5 books a month, if so much.

Any sites like libgen?
Trying to find Markus Heitz Lengends of the Alfar novels (3 and 4), but they're not on there and I don't know of any other good sites.

>>18602500
>no longer being a NEET
That's where you took the wrong turn. Buy crypto. Waging is for idiots.

>>18602506
They're on mobilism dunno if links are up to date but searching for the titles of them brought both up.
You should also learn to use irc between that and mobilism I almost never even have to look on libgen

>>18602543
I don't know what mobilism is and I haven't used an IRC outside of rare occasions in 15 years, but, thanks. I'll see what that is.

>>18602549
https://forum.mobilism.org/

pirate site mainly for mobile stuff but it gets loads of ebook uploads too
you have to make an account to search it properly
if you google something like "irc ebooks" there's probably a guide on how to set it up

>>18602648
Tried to make an account using 10minutemail and never got a confirm email. I'll try again sometime maybe. I just fucking hate forums with a deadly passion.
But I appreciate the tips.

>>18602651
just make a burner gmail
I use mail.com for most of my signups now and that doesn't seem to work for a lot of forums

>>18602655
Gmail requires a mobile phone now, doesn't it? Maybe it doesn't actually. I could do that too, just too lazy. I'll try to find something else to read in the meantime, its just hard to find a good fantasy series.

>>18602656
I made an account like 2 days ago because my mum needed more google drive space and just pressed Skip/no when it wanted a phone number

>>18602662
Nice. I'll do that then.
Cheers mate. Keep a disposable e-mail around I guess. I used to have some in the past but I don't sign up for stuff much anymore.

>>18602522
>Buy crypto
Unless you have a time machine back to 2017… There’s no money to be made for a newfag at this point. Just losses.

>>18602710
yeah but if you get new people to buy it makes us oldchads money

>>18602713
Scummy ponzifag usurer.

>>18602720
I mean when you have 130000 usd in btc but no easy way to cash out
its great to sell to people to avoid normal btc > usd transaction fees

>>18596149
>>18596116
Wtf I had no idea this existed. I don't like the Narnia shit. His Christian apologetics are good though

This is the last fantasy book I finished. Anything else like it?

is the tales of alus series good?

>>18593388
Came here to discuss them. Love his works - good hard scifi that doesnt have one dimensional characters and great worldbuilding.

anything with blacksmiths or blacksmithing as a focus?

I'm almost finished belgariad and loving it after struggling to get trough the sword itself.
I realized I really don't care much about about current ficaiont si because there is nothing "maggical about it", sure there is magics in it but it's dry and methodical. On the other hand some authors, like jack vance, managed to get the felling of adventure wonder even in their sci-fi works, even if the world itself is not magical.
I wish there were other writers capable of doing this, I really wish there were other current writers doin this.

If you have any recommendations give them to me but no meme ones like bakker. he is a very decent writer if you are into torture and despair porn, but I'm not.

>>18603152
>>18602840

only fantasy series i've read is a song of ice and fire. i'd like something similar (main characters killed off, political games, large cast of characters) but with more actually magic and use of fantastical elements. would i like malazan?

>>18603288
>i'd like something similar (main characters killed off, political games, large cast of characters)
you should definitely try bakker.

is this good?

>>18603336
If it's self-pub stuff people will have talked about it in these threads if they've actually read it.
For something like what you've posted there's next to zero chance anyone has read.

Any books about virtuous men fighting off the pleasures of flesh and ignoring thots?

I want book where the crusaders/inquisition are not bad guys, the opposite is way too common.

>>18603432
because it's impossible to use those real world references if you don't incorporate any of the historical reality of them lol

>>18603459
Neither the inquistion nor the crusaders were any sort of historical villains and it betrays your ignorance that you would think so. You are falling for anti-catholic and anti-christian propaganda hitjobs respectively, carried out by protestant and later enlightenment faggots.

>>18603459
>because it's impossible to use those real world references if you don't incorporate any of the historical reality of them
the crusades were as much of a religious expeditions it was a attempt to thwart the expansionist conquering's of northern territory by the ever bigger caliphates.
If anything it was more of an riposte than an attack by the European powers.
And the inquisition being bad is incredibly cliché, there is nothing wrong with not following history to a thee while writing fiction for fucks sake.

>>18603485
>anti-catholic
ah so you're a nonce

>>18603498
It's literal propaganda and you ate it up, and you think you can call other nounces.

>>18603497
>the crusades were as much of a religious expeditions it was a attempt to thwart the expansionist conquering's of northern territory by the ever bigger caliphates.
They were 100% religious expeditions. Like, there actual letters of crusaders from the time talking about that, and even a basic understanding of geography should tell you that, since they were focused primarily on the holy land(Palestine) over overall more Christian territory(Anatolia, Egypt, Iberia).

>>18603522
everything in this world is propaganda it's all about what you want to believe

>>18603526
>They were 100% religious expeditions.
That is absolutely disprovable with the simple fact that the 4 crusade ransacked Constantinople thank to their unpaid debts.

Opinions on The Dragonbone Chair by Tad Williams?

New to fantasy, I'm just starting it. I like it so far. It's a little slow, and I don't know how I feel about Simon yet. The writing and prose is great in my opinion.

>>18603546
>That is absolutely disprovable with the simple fact that the 4 crusade ransacked Constantinople thank to their unpaid debts.
The 4th crusade was a huge shitshow, yeah, but it was still a religious expedition at its core that got sidetracked trying to pay their debts to the eternal venetian.

>>18603577
I'm not denying that at their core the crusades were religious expeditions, but religion and politics went hand in hand in the medieval era. So much so that it's hard do distinguish which was the main reason for some of the actions taken.
Sure the expeditions did try and get a hold of Jerusalem but they also coincidently got rid of their and fourth nobleman's sons who couldn't inherent land and also focused the attention of European armies in "defending Christendom" and fighting off the Islamic spread instead of weakening themselves on internal wars.

>>18603432
The Crusaders were just defending Europe and Jerusalem from Islamic invasion. And the inquisition was a way to make a fair trial, because many people were being killed by the population accused of being Cathars. Cathars encouraged suicide and stabbed pregnant women because they were anti-natalists, they believed that the material world should not be populated.

>>18603629
ok ... but what books?

Are there any books about a “primitive” planet being colonized by an advanced spacefaring civilization, but the colonizers hide the fact that they’re from outer space? And not masquerading as gods or anything like that

>>18603673
unironically bakker

>>18603612
>Sure the expeditions did try and get a hold of Jerusalem but they also coincidently got rid of their and fourth nobleman's sons who couldn't inherent land and also focused the attention of European armies in "defending Christendom" and fighting off the Islamic spread instead of weakening themselves on internal wars
Most of these 3rd and 4th sons went back home after the campaigns, and in many their families went broke financing their time crusading.
Yeah, some were just in for the loot, but the vast majority got jackshit out of it, in material terms.

>>18603703
>and in many
and in many cases*

>>18603650
I hope you find translations for most of these books.

Inquisition:

La Vera Storia dell´Inquisizione - Rino Cammilleri
Manuel de l'inquisiteur - Bernardo Gui
Histoire de l'inquisition au Moyen Âge - Jean Guiraud
El tribunal de la inquisición. De la leyenda a la historia - Fernando Ayllón
Personajes de La Inquisición - William Thomas
L'inquisition - Maisonneuve Henri

To undersdant catharism:

L'épopée cathare - Michel Roquebert
Les Cathares - Arno Borst
René Nelli books

Crusades:

Lumière du Moyen Age - Régine Pernoud
A History of the Crusades - Steven Runciman
Pour en finir avec le Moyen Âge - Régine Pernoud
René Grousset books
Le Roi - Frantz Funck
Le Moyen Age - Frantz Funck
René Grousset books

all those aspiring to publication: Have no fear. If this cow paddy was published your work will be too. This was my first time reading this guy, and I gotta say he’s unremarkable. There still is some hope it seems

>>18593340
Star Wars legends novels are lost scriptures of the bible prove me wrong

>>18603766
i think he was more referring to fictional book about the inquisition and the crusades... you know the thing this thread is about and what was asked first.

>>18603779
Brandon Sanderson is better than you will ever be. Does this upset you?

>"This place is rotten!" Idaho said. He gestured with his free hand at the corridor behind him. "There are some things I’ll never accept!"
>Moneo stared down the empty corridor without seeing. "You must mature, Duncan. You must."
>[...]
>Idaho held himself on the edge of violence, his anger restrained only by something puzzling in Moneo’s manner. Words had been spoken, though, which could not be ignored.
>"I’m not some damned immature child you can…"
>"Duncan!" It was the loudest sound Idaho had ever heard from the mild-mannered Moneo. Surprise stayed Idaho’s hand while Moneo continued: "If the demands of your flesh are for maturity, but something holds you in adolescence, quite nasty behavior develops. Let go."
>"Are… you… accusing… me… of.,
>"No!" Moneo gestured at the corridor. "Oh, I know. what you must’ve seen back there, but it…"
>"Two women in a passionate kiss! You think that’s not…"
>"It’s not important. Youth explores its potential in many ways."
>Idaho balanced himself on the edge of an explosion, rocking forward on his toes. "I’m glad to learn about you, Moneo."
>"Yes, well, I’ve learned about you, several times."
Now that the dust has settled, who was in the wrong here?

>finish writing my fantasy book
>can't even think about reading books now, all my brain is thinking about is writing more or editing forever
>staring at a bunch of based looking fantasy recs but I can't even fathom reading one instead of writing
Writing was a mistake
I just want to read again

>>18604488
Send your book to a publisher, once you've been rejected enough times you'll go back to reading.

>>18604488
checked, give yourself a break anon, sounds like you've been in the zone. maybe don't think about books or writing at all for a few days, get some exercise, watch some dumb movies and come back to it with a fresh mindset.

then send your shit off to a publisher and start cracking at those recommendations.

Do an of you guys struggle to read as much as you would like to?

I find I spend so much time on other pointless disctractions like YouTube and video games.

I just want to read all the time, but I dunno.

Anyone else know what I mean?

>>18604586
Also, I want to do more writing and study. I have started exercising pretty regularly again, but yeah.

>>18604586
Sitting on a computer is very enticing, but I just let youtube play lectures about the prehistoric earth while I read my fantasy books

>>18604598
That sounds so distracting. My ideal reading place is on my balcony with a pot of coffee. My neighbourhood is so quiet its perfect.

>>18604586
Just remember that we also do what we want. If you're watching YouTube instead of reading, it's because you want to watch YT more than read. Pause and think while watching: Would I rather read? If the answer is truly "yes", you would switch to reading. But if you don't, it means you didnt want to read more after all, which is fine. Not everyone is a reader.

>>18604598
how the fuck do you read while listening to lectures? that sounds distracting as hell, how do you get anything lasting out of either activity? zoomers are fucked in the head, I swear

>>18604623
>zoomers
I'm 28. I don't feel distracted by either, as far as I'm aware I soak both up satisfactorily.

>>18599465
Fair enough.
>>18600155
I still want to finish Earthsea. Has anyone read the whole series? Are the other books good?

>>18604637
I have, and yes. They're all very different and Ged keeps getting older.

>>18604633
>as far as I'm aware I soak both up satisfactorily
This is going to be a bit presumptuous, but I promise that you don't. The human brain is actually incapable of absorbing two streams of language at once; the best we can do is kind of rapidly flick back/forth between them, but unless you're trying REALLY hard, and you're REALLY good at it, you're still going to miss a bunch of words and clauses from one stream while focusing on the other.
Subsequently, when you get fully absorbed in reading, you will hear no words from the lecture, and absorb none of it. When you focus on the lecture you will stop reading at all. This is where the presumptious part comes in, but I am fairly confident that if you re-watched the lectures with full focus you would be surprised by how much you missed, and if you were made to like take a test on them, you would fail the test every time. If this is not the case, and you actually get very high degree of comprehension from both (without basic mistakes like "reading 1 page of the book total due to lack of focus but feeling like you read 10 pages), then you have a very, very rare ability that does not apply to most people.

>>18603673
Hard to be a God
No they're not masquerading as gods
Also one of the best movies of the 21st century is an adaptation of that book.

>>18604802
>That movie
>best of anything

>>18604811
It appears my superiority has led to some controversy

Bit of an odd one: Tolkien loved smoking, but did any of his elves have a puff, or was it just literally everybody else but elves? I just can't remember if there was ever any indications in the books.

>>18604811
Yer a pleb, Harry

>>18604821
I don't remember a single instance of an elf smoking. They got properly drunk in the Hobbit but no weed.

>>18604898
IIRC at one point Legolas describes Gimli and Aragorn as strange for wanting to smoke. Seems like an affectation of mortals; it doesn’t seem to fit the Elvish temperament and love of nature/wind/water.

>tfw no half-Maiar gf

>>18604913
Both Gandalf and Saruman enjoyed it. If it's good enough for maiar, it should be good enough for knife-ears.
The real question is if orcs ever smoked.

>>18604917
More like
>tfw no Huan the Hound to go on adventures with

>>18599160
Women browse 4chan, some might even on this thread. Reading. Everything you say

>>18604919
>The real question is if orcs ever smoked.
Pole, maybe. I just assumed an orc horde was one rolling gay dance party. Sort of like the simpsons steel mill.

>>18604931
I hope not

>>18604944
They do.

>>18604923
>>18604923
>tfw no talking maiar-dog and handsome silver-haired Son of Fëanor* to go hunting with
why even live, Ñoldor-maidens.

* Celegorm was a foine Elf-price before the Oath drove him to madness and ruin.

this new captcha system is impossible

>>18605068
It's even easier, the fuck are you on about?

So, what happened to this guy's teacher?

>>18604966
Sounds nice.

>>18605068
Just annoying.

>>18605068
Only retards have trouble with it.

>>18605068
I don’t mind it. It keeps the shitposters away.

>>18604687
Man, you do sound presumptuous.

I just read the first six books of Gaunt's Ghosts and the first four books were nice but the fifth and six are complete junk. Instead of being 90% dude war lmao and 10% heroic comradeship its like 10% dude war lmao, 5% heroic comradeship, and 85% really garbage drama.
The theme was at least nice while it lasted, what other warhammer books are about the imperial guard? It seems like a lot of the franchise and writing revolves around m-muh space marines, which doesn't interest me at all.

>>18605175
Why are you telling us this?

>>18603037
master of sorrows, the antagonist is a blacksmith entity

>>18605175
Okay….

>>18605178
An anon here recommended I read WH40K books and I'm sure he's been waiting here, eager to read what I thought of them.

>>18603574
its good, many components of asoiaf have been inspired from mst. It is much better than his other work shadowmarch

>>18605164
I did say that ahead of time. However, sounding presumptuous is kind of inevitable when the nature of speaking with strangers demands that one presume things, and it's better to be presumptuous than afraid to speak. All in all, one can do personal tests to confirm whether or not they are successfully listening to two audio streams at once; there's some personal bias involved, the bias that makes it hard to measure/judge our own behavior, but simply being highly self-aware and focusing hard on trying to comprehend two language streams at once should make it clear how impossible it really is for any extended period of time. Especially since you won't exactly be focusing so hard when actually just casually reading.

>>18605188
Anon, don’t read books recommended here.

>>18603673
and seven times never kill man

>>18605191
Sounds like you’re just projecting.

>>18605195
There are snobs here who try to ironically recommend shallow and cheap entertainment, not realising that they're exactly what I'm looking for.

New thread
>>18605199

>>18605201
Oh, in that case, keep on reading. I though you fell for some poor trap.

>>18603779
he excels in short stories such as the emperor's soul, unfortunately he does not publish much of those

>>18605151
killed by maithanet, only known skinspy to comprehend the onta yet

>>18605221
What's the "onta"?

>>18605175
Try The Last Chancers

>>18605197

To my knowledge, it is a neurological fact that the human brain can only process one stream of language at a time. Barring obscure disorders or what have you, this is not a projection, but a statement of fact. Like I said. Anyone can test this themselves. Maybe challenge yourself to read 5 pages while listening to a 10 minute history video, or something. Whatever suits your reading speed. Then see if you can finish the 5 pages before the video is done. Then test yourself on your comprehension of the pages and the video. 99.999% of people will completely fail this kind of test. It's just neurology; we can only attempt to listen to two language streams at a time by flicking back/forth between them rapidly, but this is very hard, and prone to information loss anyway. If you are one of the .001% or whatever that can listen to two language streams with perfect comprehension and no effort, then you are very lucky.

(I will re-empathize though that it's easy to "cheat" on these tests since it relies on one judging themselves without bias. Be sure to keep an open, clear mind while attempting any tests. Be sure to recognize when you did indeed not catch a part of the video, or started skimming the pages of the book without actually reading them, etc.)