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lazy edition - what are you all working on right now? if nothing, what are your excuses? what are your ideas?

Previous: >>18660112

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>> No.18681359

Groans escaped from both her ends as air pockets caught between the turds and her rectum walls released with a bassy roll of wet pops. From where the young man leaned over her could see the ring of light brown wrinkles spread open, and the dark face of the first serpent peek into creation. The body that followed was so much larger than it's nose made it seem. Her circlet clung to it as it passed, as if desperately trying to apprehend the newborn before it could escape, and a projecting sphincter interrupted the once smooth valley between the oracle's spread butt cheeks. She gasped and shuddered against the young man's legs. Though at first the procession was snailishly slow, the ropey length gathered speed until its tail finally threw itself onto the grass behind her, tangling into the rest of its coiled body. Her anus began settling back into place, as dough might, but stopped to shudder at a machine gun burst of flatulence, whose depressive pitch made it sound embarrassed to be there. Without delay, another girthy line of brown paste followed like custard from a machine. Somewhere along it's middle, she contracted her nethers, severing the soft turd in half and squeezing feces into the cleft of her bottom. What had already escaped fell limp beside it's older kin, and in a moment it was joined by the rest of itself with a moist thud. Bitter steam billowed from her leavings. The young man crinkled his nose, while she began catching her breath.
"Are you finished?" the young man said.
"Yes," she said, in her low, scratchy voice.
"Then face the tree and turn your butt towards me."
Still squatting, she rotated until she could rest her cuffed hands against the birch. The young man, kneeling now, found himself staring into the dilations of a reeking black star. He ripped off a sheet of toilet paper, bunched it between his fingers and drew it across the filthy corona, stretching her sphincter and gathering brown sludge beneath the tissue. Thoroughly used, the paper was thrown in with the rest of the refuse and another, clean piece was torn from the roll.
She looked over her shoulder at him, grinning, "have you ever wondered how it tastes?"
"Be quiet," he said, and began wiping again.
"You could just lean in and have a lick and no one would know. I certainly wouldn't tell anybody."
"I said shut up."
"Look, here," she said, "I'll make you something fresh."
She tensed up and began to groan again. He was wiping the inside of her butt cheeks when he saw her rim bunch and erupt with one small, dark turd, right next to his foreknuckles. It slid out, barely missing the young man who had kicked himself up and away from the squatting priestess and now watched as her gift slapped against the ground where he had just been kneeling.
"You're disgusting!"
She laughed and raised her swaying hindquarters at him.
"What are you waiting for imperial?" she called to him, "clean it up!"

>> No.18681504

>>18681301
Writing chapter 32. Looking forwards to chapter 34 a lot. It's got a girl in it!

>> No.18682107

>>18681504
What are you writing?

>> No.18682149

was wondering if reading more will improve your writing or reading technical books on improving prose etc. is better. Thoughts opinions?

>> No.18682150
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>>18682107
Finnish army novel

>> No.18682255

I’m writing what is commonly referred to as an “isekai” and while I think it’s a good story the fact that it is an isekai bothers me a bit.

>> No.18682265
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>>18682149
Writing is about language. Your command over languages develops in use, not from reading technical manuals. As such novels are better than guidebooks, but talking to people and listening to people and exchanging stories is even better.
Writing is the best practice of all, though.

>> No.18682268

>>18682149
Personally, I feel as though you get the most improvement by reading good fiction, reading notes on writing fiction from the masters, and technical books on writing in that order. But I have personal beliefs that lead me to believe that and ultimately, the most improvement will come from iterative writing.

>> No.18682377

>>18681301
what's that thing in OP pic? it's kinda cute

>> No.18682381

>>18682377
It's called a tapir. The infertile guy ate tapir testicles in Apocalypto.

>> No.18682432

Will mechanical keyboards help me to write better?

>> No.18682486

>>18682265
>talking to people and listening to people and exchanging stories is even better.
Yeah I find this extremely true, I need to talk to people more and make myself uncomfortable.
>>18682268
Can you elaborate on iterative writing?

>> No.18682494

>>18682432
Where do you come up with this stupid idea, you dumbass piece of shit? God, I fucking swear, the fucking questions here are just downright retarded.

>> No.18682500

Excerpt from a flash story in preparation for submission. Thoughts? Thank you.

Andrew’s hand trembles as he turns the doorknob of Scotia Bait & Tackle. The hanging brass bell rings above him. It’s too late to turn back. The smell of rust, saltwater, and ammonia fills his nostrils. Hooks, tackle boxes, nets, and floats dangle from slanted shelves. The mess reminds him of the office, keyboards and paperwork scattered everywhere in the aftermath of his longed-for devastation. The image helps drive him through the gauntlet of fishing rods lining the entryway as faint voices emanate from the CRT balanced precariously upon a crate.
“H-hello?”
No response, only garbled dialogue punctuated by tinny gunfire.
At the counter behind the TV a bespectacled old man with a bushy beard reclines on a flaking sea-green chair, his chin resting on his hand, transfixed. The glare from the screen hides the shopkeeper’s eyes.
“Yes, I’d like to buy some b-bait,” says Andrew.
“Many kinds o’ bait,” the greybeard mumbles. He gestures vaguely at the fridge in the corner.
A whirring noise instead draws Andrew’s attention to the TV. Helicopters darting through a cloudless sky. A reporter on a rooftop wearing a bulletproof vest, backgrounded by blasted buildings. A naked, armless infant caked in rubble and dirt.
He wonders if Sandra Maclaine knows that babies can be made armless.
“No, I—I mean…” He casts his mind back to the message he’d be given. “What did the fish say to the fisherman?”
The bait seller turns suddenly toward him, piqued. “Surfacing, the red-mouthed fish said: ‘Did I solicit thee from darkness to promote me?’” He peers over the rim of his glasses and smiles mirthlessly. “Should’ve known. You don’t look the fishin’ type. They never do.”
Andrew looks down at his tie and laughs nervously.
The bait seller heaves himself from his chair and limps into a backroom. “Wait here.”

>> No.18682501

>>18682500
It's shit.

>> No.18682503

>>18682494
Fuck you, you fucking nigger faggot! If using a typewriter or writing in a Moleskine notebook can make you a better writer then why shouldn't using a mechanical keyboard help, too?

>> No.18682507

>>18682503
They fucking don't you fucking retard. Is that how you fucking cope? With fucking delusion?

>> No.18682511

>>18682507
YWNBAW

>> No.18682514

>>18682511
YWNBAW

>> No.18682516

>>18682486
>Can you elaborate on iterative writing?
Write, assess, make changes, write again, assess, make changes, rinse & repeat.

>> No.18682522

>>18682514
YSWNBAW,F

>> No.18682528

>>18682522
YSWNBAW,F

>> No.18682530

>>18682516
Ah, Alright I gotcha.

>> No.18682532

>>18682500
I should point out this is Weird lit.

>> No.18682539

>>18682532
Doesn't make a difference, still shit.

>> No.18682543

I want to write an isekai where a girl ends up in her shitty fanfic and, being a god in her world of lousy writing, has to fix it from the inside.

>> No.18682552

>>18682539
Lol okay. That's cool. Nice of you to perpetuate the 4chan "this is trash, kys faggot" stereotype instead of actually critiquing it.

>> No.18682584

>>18682552
There's nothing to critique it by. verbs are shit, no commas where they need to be, missing a capitalizing. Delivery is off. It's shit, and the fact that you deserve more than shit shows how delusional you are. But I expect nothing more from this place.

>> No.18682586

>>18682552
This must be your first time in the writing general. That's what this thread is all about. so much so that they made it a point of kicking out anybody who actually liked writing (the "anime posters") so they could have a place meant exclusively for crabbing anybody attempting to write.

>> No.18682631

>>18682543
You stole my idea.

>> No.18682640

>>18682631
I'm sorry. You can have it back.

>> No.18682769

God I just downloaded scrivener how the fuck could I write in word until now

>> No.18682772

>>18682769
We don't care.

>> No.18682800

>>18682150
>It's got a girl in it!
did you assault her?

>> No.18682808

>>18682377
>>18682381
it's a pige

>> No.18682815

>>18682772
well what do you care about then?

>> No.18682816

>>18682432
It won't make you write better but it's more fun to type on so might make you more inclined to write or write more when you do.

>> No.18682819

>>18682800
I bet it was full on "The General's Daughter" up in there

>> No.18682895

>>18682808
how is that proniunced?
like pi-geh?
or peej?

>> No.18682939

>>18682895
It's "pige" you anglo dumbass.

>> No.18682946

>>18682500
I know this might sound alittle counter-initiative, but you might need more tell in your beginning "paragraph". Its alot worse than the rest of your story. But after that, the dialogue and everything else seems to work together well.

>> No.18682958

>what are you all working on right now?
Noir investigator digs too deep and accidentally finds out about a werewolf who doesn't want to be found. It's hard to figure out "who dunnit" when the culprit only leaves behind paw prints and bite marks.

>> No.18682977
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>>18681301
I just wrote eight thousand words about an anthropomorphic dragon girl.

>> No.18682981

>>18682977
Hot.

>> No.18682982

>>18682958
So it's literally like the game, that's pretty fun.
minus 10 points if the detective is the werewolf

>> No.18682988

i wrote 6 pages of screenplay so far today. the most ive ever done in a day

>> No.18683001

>>18681301
>lazy edition - what are you all working on right now? if nothing, what are your excuses? what are your ideas?
Been working on chapter 90 of my novel series. Been in a rough rut over it this week now that I've reached this point. Particularly on how to begin it, but I've made a little progress on it yesterday. After this, it's the last chapter of the volume.

>> No.18683037

>>18682982
>who dunnit
>you did
9/10 that twist is the faggiest bullshit ever. Either it isn't signaled to the audience at all and reeks of bullshit, or it's signaled to obviously and the audience calls it immediately. Granted, I always think that there should be two twists. An obvious one that the audience is supposed to see coming so that they can feel smart, and a less obvious one that genuinely surprises them.

>> No.18683049
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18683049

I'm trying to do a pulpy, post apocalyptic action thing here.

>> No.18683067

>>18683049
Are you looking for honest feedback?

>> No.18683078

>>18682981
It's not supposed to be hot! It was a practice story that just became way too easy to write.
But yes it's kinda hot

>> No.18683082

>>18683067
Yes.

>> No.18683096

>>18683067
>>18683082
lmao this not me, but sure. If it's shit, it's shit.

>> No.18683119

>>18683049
It's shit.

>> No.18683129

>>18683096
>>18683049
It's not so much that it's shit. I'm guessing that this is a first or very early draft. I can see the bones of a decent scene under a layer of overwrought prose. Some people's first drafts are like that. I don't recommend editing until you have it all down on paper if that's the case. There's a lot of info dumping that wrecks the flow of the scene and makes me want to skip ahead or quit reading. I'm also not partial to the way that bit at the beginning is done. How does the first person narrator know what he doesn't know? I can see some ways to solve that, but I'm not going to dictate how to write it to you. I'd keep going, now is not the time to edit.

>> No.18683135

>>18683096
>lmao this not me
Why lie? I am you.

>> No.18683146

>>18683135
Stop being such a fucking faggot.

>> No.18683236

>>18683146
Since we are one and the same then we are both faggot. Let us jerk each other off.

>> No.18683257

>>18683236
And people wonder why /wg/ is dead.

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>>18683049
I love it! The scene has a very janky-but-good flow to it, like the narrator is high. The brutality is just right.

Awesome work anon, go go go!

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>>18682501
Blackpilled bad faith actor. Ignore this guy. Your work is not shit at all, it simply requires looking at it from other perspectives and polishing your draft.
>>18682500
Remember to scan your work for tell-tale signs that it is your writing. Learn the types of mistakes you commonly make when describing what you see in your mind. It's okay, we all do it... you start each sentence with a "the" in your first paragraph. Mix it up a bit, it will make things flow so much nicer.

GO GO GO! Keep writing anon, you got this!

>> No.18683440

>>18683037
That's a good theory. I don't really believe in "twists", but then again I don't write mysteries.

>>18682988
Stephen King said in an interview that he manages about six pages a day.

>> No.18683462

I’m overwhelmed with ideas and thinking about what I want to write right now. I’m paralyzing myself and thinking myself into a pit of confusion.

>> No.18683474

>>18683462
I chose a story I was only meh about and started writing that. Every time I get anxious or distracted I remind myself that this is just practice, and to plow through. As Stephen King said, "write through the shit".

And that's how I wrote six thousand pages of a YA fantasy novel about an anthropomorphic dragon girl

>> No.18683581

>need to write romance in my story
>never fell in love before
>can't pull from personal experience to write it
>completely stuck now
Help...

>> No.18683599

>>18683581
how am I supposed to help you bro?

>> No.18683629

>>18683599
Can you tell me how love is like?

>> No.18683638

>>18683629
Depends what part of love, falling in love, relationship you exactly mean. Love is a complicaited thing, anon. I experienced it all. And I want to get back to the feeling of warmth from just seeing her beauty. It's like she's glowing.

>> No.18683645

>>18681301
>what are you all working on right now?
Chapter 1 (not prologue) of my fifth volume not that the sun is gone. Even then though, fucking hell...

>> No.18683649

>>18683474
>I chose a story I was only meh about and started writing that. Every time I get anxious or distracted I remind myself that this is just practice, and to plow through
Same, it's so relieving to write this way. Doesn't matter it's shit, it's just practice, you try new things.

>> No.18683651

>>18683645
>volume now that
*

>> No.18683703

>>18681301
Im writing an essay about the time a wild bird died in my hands. First essay, on my second page, will probably get pg 3 done today (i estimate itll be a 6 page essay at most and after revisions itll be 5).

>> No.18683716

>>18683645
And now I just finished today's 2k minimum regarding it.

>> No.18683733

>>18682895
newfag

>> No.18683735

>>18683581
It's hard to write convincingly about something you've never experienced. I guess the closest you can get is reading convincing and realistic depictions of love that others have written, and basing your romance off that. Depends on how important it is to the story that the romance feel authentic.

>> No.18683762

>>18683581
If you were in love, how would you want it to play out? What is your idealized love?
Chances are, this issue is in your head since almost no one has ever experienced love like you read in a romance novel.

>> No.18683765

>>18683474
I want to be able to publish my next project. I don’t want to write something only to feel like it’s shit.

>> No.18683780

>>18683735
What's the most romantic love story? I heard it's gone with the wind, but when I read it, Vivian is an asshole to Rhett. And Rhett is indifferent to Vivian.

>> No.18683789

>>18683474
>six thousand pages of a YA fantasy novel
Anon that's not one book. That's like at the very least like 12 books.

>> No.18683793

>>18683780
>What's the most romantic love story?
For your purposes, that would heavily depend on how you intend to describe the romance, from what perspective, within what sort of story, and so forth.

>> No.18683802

>>18683780
>vivian
I meant scarlett

>> No.18683814

>>18683793
i want initial flirting and puppy love. Then it sours all from there.

>> No.18683882

>>18683814
If you're looking for something shallow that goes wrong before it gets serious then, in all seriousness, you could probably pick up useful stuff from generic young adult romance trash. Pretty much anything people point to as well-written romance is going to be dealing with deeper and more complex love.

>> No.18683922

>>18683882
I'm trying to write a love story between 3 people.

1 guy is very sexually attracted to one and this girl is perfect, but emotionally attracted to the other who is not.

And he has to choose. Does he choose one that's stable and good or does he follow his heart and choose the one that will lead to his destruction?

the story didn't start this way, it just happened to go in that direction.

>> No.18683933

>>18683922
bro reevaluate your work and your life, you don't want to write this retardation

>> No.18683946

>>18683922
Do not listen to >>18683933 they are blackpilled non-producers trying to crab you.

Keep writing and keep us posted!

>> No.18683956

>>18683703
Can I see the first page anon?

>> No.18683957

>>18683933
Into the trash? I just wanted to write a simple love story. Nothing deep, meaningful, or thought provoking. Just a nice simple love triangle involving robots, aliens, and ghosts.

I don't want to write my other story where aliens invade and Earth's only hope are Fairy Tale characters

>> No.18683979

>>18683957
If it's not a story that contains love but a Love Story then I can't really recommend attempting it if you've never experienced love. Would you read a character study of a guy suffering from depression written by a person who'd never experienced it? You could write a casual romance into a larger story without needing to go into the kind of detail that would reveal an inauthentic understanding, but I don't know about an actual love story without ever having experienced love.

>> No.18683990

>>18683946
Jason, go to a therapist.

>> No.18684003

>>18683979
Oops that's what I meant. A story containing love.

>> No.18684004

>>18683990
I will go to therapy if you can post anything that goes to show you have lived a dynamic life of creation while managing to not be as narcissistic as I am.

>> No.18684008

>>18683956
I will post the first page/the whole essay when I finish in what i estimate is 1-3 weeks in this general is that cool? I hate showing people stuff that I haven't completed/feel satisfied with (t. Musician).

>> No.18684009

>>18684004
Seek help.

>> No.18684015

>>18684008
Sounds good! I'll see you in a future /wg/.

Go go go, you can do it!

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>>18684009
Look for beauty and inspiration wherever you can find it anon. Your heart is so blackpilled, your inner angst leaks out and shids up these positive threads.

Godspeed

>> No.18684022

>tfw you could write a perfect nonfiction book about an investigation you worked on but you're never allowed to speak about the details publically

guess i'll just have to write the manuscript for myself, then

>> No.18684023

>>18684019
Go to therapy.

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>>18684015
Thanks fren

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>>18684023
Yes sir, have a great day anon!

>> No.18684071

I wrote a poem about playing with legos as a kid recently.

>> No.18684073

>>18683922
I'm sorry anon, but love triangles are automatically trash. I have read too many young adult novels to care about love triangles anymore
Godspeed, keep writing.

>> No.18684087

>>18684004
you're a pedophile and a rapist. don't care about your shit book, just hope you get castrated in prison

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>>18684087
Turn to Jesus, friend, you can let go of the hate in your heart.

>> No.18684143

recall the tribe of anglo saxon
whom providence had widely scattered
whose tongue was strewn wherever mattered
st george flown on every bastion

>> No.18684156

Ezra Pound's 'How to Read' is helpful

>> No.18684185

>>18683765
This is why you can't get too attached to one project. You say to yourself "I'm up for trying it" but don't expect to get it perfectly.
Plus, you can always fix it in editing. You just need to get a draft out, first, and that's the hard part.

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>>18684185
Wise based anon.

>> No.18684206

>>18684156
bro i cannot read how am i supposed to read that

>> No.18684228

A stale breeze swept the asphalt, carrying the steady thrum of interstate traffic, gasoline fumes, and an empty Cheetos bag. The full moon hung low in the sky, partially obscured by murky cloud cover. Its light fell in hazy rays to the minimall below, mingling with the harsh fluoresence of street lamps and flickering, bright neon. An occasional pair of headlights meandered about an enormous parking lot, going about some unknown shady business. Indistinct bass of reggaeton and rap music could be heard from behind tinted glass, rising and falling as the cars passed. The gaudy orange glow of the El Hermanos sign illuminated us, promising tacos and margaritas to hungry highway passerbyes.
"Yo, hit this." He passed me the blunt, cherry tip blazing. I stared for a moment. "Yo it's burning dude, you want it or not?" I took it from his hand, sucked the already soggy end of it and held my breath as I passed it to my right. Tyler took it from my hand as I exhaled and felt the familiar tingle crawl up my skin, up my spinal cord, into my brain behind my eyes. My eyelids briefly shut together, phantom shapes playing in the darkness. Jose smiled his
ratty smile, flashing his missing teeth. "Yeahhh, that's the good shit. Got it from my uncle, shit's medicinal. Yo they grow that shit for the dispensaries". I nodded, scanned the parking lot again. I could feel the coagulated grease caked onto my face and staining my chef's pants, the acrid stink of old cooking oil and burning marijuana filling my nostrils. Tyler exhaled a whole cloud all at once and started hacking, one hand on his knee, the other holding up the pot cigar. I took it from his hand while he wretched melodramatically. Tyler was the type always trying to call extra attention to himself.
"Did we lock up?" I glanced to Tyler, stealing a second hit off the blunt before passing it to Jose. The end was already damp from everyone's collected spittle.
"Nah dude, Hamdi's still in there tossin' drinks back with that new waitress, he's tryna get in that. He'll prolly give us free drinks from the bar, want one?"
I didn't answer. The wind blew, scattering orange debris from the tip of the blunt across the cracked sidewalk. I put my hands in my pockets and weighed the options. If I went inside now, I'd be here another hour of bullshitting at least. I had a box of Franzia in the car anyway, I could easily make it through the night. I didn't like Hamdi. I didn't really like Tyler or Jose either. In fact I hated everything about this job. I didn't want to think about customers or managers or tacos or microwaves anymore.

>> No.18684236

>>18684228
Jose started patting down his pants and shirt, pretending to look for the pack of cigarettes I knew he didn't have. "Ah shit, yo can I bum a smoke from you dude real quick?" Every fuckin night with this guy.
"Hey I'll see you guys tomorrow alright? Don't forget to lock up, I don't need Eva up in my shit, she's been extra bitchy lately." I started towards my car, the solitary old Pontiac sitting quietly under a flickering, moth-swarmed streetlamp. Jose's pleas for a cigarette faded behind me as I strode across the cracked, buckled pavement. She unlocked and opened with a familiar *click*, *kerchunk*. I swiped trash aside from the seat and console. Wendy's bags and receipts and Gatorade bottles cascaded onto the passenger side floor and I drove off towards home.
Fire inched ever closer to the butt of my cigarette as I smoked it, ashing out the window while John Denver crowed from my speakers, serenading the vacant highway. Streetlights and lane markers flashed by. I drove slowly, lazily. I was almost as reluctant to go home as I'd been to leave it that morning. The commute was the best part of my day anyway. There's something soothing about that transitory state, of being neither here nor there. Even if you have a destination in mind, you can still change your course, even turn around completely. There's a sublime inbetweenness that demands no commitment. With a car, you can go anywhere you want, though we so rarely do. Most people live life as though on rails, myself included. The phrase 'off the rails' doesn't exactly inspire positive connotation. Going off the rails means uncertainty, it means danger. Broken, addicted, penniless walking corpses that fell off those rails and down, down between the cracks litter these streets like leafs in autumn, so much fallen organic detritus asking you for the money to buy a hot dog at the Citgo. All you can do is hold onto that rail for dear life, because usually all that lies beyond is abyss. At least we have our illusions.

>> No.18684241

>>18684236
The highway managed to be at once riddled with potholes and cracks while eternally under repair. Orange cones dotted the sides, many were overturned and spilled onto the pavement or leaning against the sound barriers. My old Pontiac groaned and squealed coming off the exit. As I turned the final corner and came up on my parking space, I reached behind the seat, grasping for the boxed wine I knew was somewhere back there. Let's see... an old Amazon box, no... tableware mom got me for christmas three months ago, no... come on... aha! Paydirt. I began my parallel park as I lifted my prize from the backseat, triumphant. I held the box of wine in my hands and stared at it for a good thirty
seconds. Then I ripped that fucker open. Tore the cardboard right in half, took the bladder out, put the spout between my lips and gorged myself right there on the street. I guzzled it, gulped it down in whole mouthfuls. It ran down my chin, onto my shirt and the seat of the car. I finally tore it from my lips, heaving, trying to catch my breath. "God I fucking hate myself. You snivelling piece of shit." Who fucking cares? Certainly not me. I held the bag up with both hands and suckled from it, like a helpless infant at the teat, until I couldn't anymore. Freud himself must've cackled in hell as I staggered onto the curb, dragged myself and the remaining wine to bed and nursed it to sleep. No, I certainly do not care.

>> No.18684244

>>18684228
I like it! Prune it for wordiness and some of the excess "his" and "The"'s and it'll flow smooth. What's this from?

>> No.18684333

>>18681301
Not writing right now, because I'm looking at the writing lab in the sticky.

>> No.18684401

>>18684333
What are your writing habits like? Certain time of day? Empty stomach / full stomach? Long periods or short bursts?

>> No.18684472

>>18684401
Exists. Usually a bit after noon. Full stomach and usually for short bursts of writing.

>> No.18684835

>>18684206
It's a graphic novel

>> No.18684857

>in wageslave cage
>want to write so badly it burns my soul
>scribble things on sticky notes and put in my bag to do that night on the draft
>get home
>angry, tired, and drained
>just want to eat a bunch of food and shitpost on 4chan

I hate this life. i've done most of my writing during bouts of unemployment.

>> No.18684888

>>18684244
Not OP but he posted it here https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36209/burgerpunk-pizza-time

>>18684857
I used to scribble on unused recipe paper but it was mostly just plot points that deformed and never follow too closely when I did write out a chapter. Recently I've been writing actual chapter drafts on my phone. Can usually squeeze in 300-500 words this way.

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How do I stop thinking writers can be the most interesting people so I can stop conjuring up characters who are writers?

I already don't have writer friends, so there's not that option.

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>>18682895
puge

>> No.18684981

>>18684857
One page a day, anon. Sometimes you'll write more than one page, but you'll always write At Least one page

>> No.18685105

>>18684228
I don't want to sound vain, but I believe we've corresponded before on the topic of burgerpunk. Many threads ago I posted a quick thing about what "burgerpunk really is" that was met with a positive reception, but mine was more centered around growing up specifically in Florida.

Your style has matured and I like to imagine my musings had some influence on that. I think I have some advice which might take this piece to the next level.

You take far too long setting the scene with sensory details (remember that touch, sight, and sound are far more accessible than taste and smell) and there is a complete lack of conflict in the story, like when our narrator told us what he was looking for before he began his tedious search. I didn't want to read any of it, but I kept going because I was really hoping there was going to be a connection between the blazing store signs and the blazing blunt. Your one piece of fascinating introspection (the bit about the commute, running between two lives neither of which we would have chosen for ourselves) is just sort of wedged in between two "slice of life" scenes which suffer from an abundance of life. We certainly do talk that way when we're smoking a blunt, but for whatever reason it always feel contrived when I read it in fiction.

The reason I was so fixated on the blunt and the signs is because you really did have a good metaphor which could float this entire piece. There's a reason we say we're "burnt out" when work gets too heavy. I'd say start with the image of the lights blazing overhead (maybe find an image which might clearly delineate the difference between what fast food signs offer and what they actually sell, compared to what we hope to gain from smoking weed and what it actually does for us) and end with an image of your narrator snuffing a light of some sort. And then tighten up your prose a bit, asking if each individual line serves this metaphor, and if each individual word is really pulling it's full weight. Does this sentence tell us something we've already seen for ourselves (Tyler likes attention)? Could this word/image be swapped out for something more efficient (maybe the smell of old cooking oil might be replaced with an actual burn)? Mostly you seem to be striving for accuracy, and the impact of this piece suffers for it. You also seem to prefer observation over image, which is a form of "telling" as opposed to showing, like just saying that the blunt was soaked with spittle instead of shoving it right into the reader's mouth.

You don't necessarily have to go with my suggestions about the burning metaphor, but you should take a moment to ask why this evening (I assume this is a personal experience of yours, more or less) stayed in your mind so long, and how you can take that feeling and make it more accessible to someone who's never felt it.

>> No.18685114

Unique feel
>been worrying myself over historical accuracy in my draft of a historical novel because it's set in a different country
>have been watching period dramas from that country in the time I'm writing about, so it's this country's own people writing about their own history
>they're so historically inaccurate it's almost laughable, like they got their education from the back of a cereal box
>but I know I, a foreigner, would be held to a much higher standard than the natives, especially because I am an evil white oppressor man and everyone is looking for an excuse to knock me
I just dont know what the fuck anymore. how much do you guys think is healthy to compare your work to similar works in the genre?

>> No.18685121

>>18685114
What culture are you writing about?

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18685153

What's your WPM rate, /wg/? Some days I'm literally 1.5 words a minute, if I'm reading/research/editing.

>> No.18685170

>>18685153
Who gives a shit.

>> No.18685171

>>18685153
0
>tfw editing process
>replacing shit with content

>> No.18685172

>>18685153
as long as it's equal to or more than 1 word per day, you're making progress

>> No.18685177

>>18685171
Are you showing and not telling, or making your dull narration prose more flowery?

>> No.18685263

>>18684022
If it's beautiful, just swap all the names and present it as fiction

>> No.18685313

>>18685177
Most of the novel is great, but there's a lull from about 20% to 35%. So I'm reworking that section, and a few other things.

>> No.18685316

>>18685313
Wanna link the first chapter? I'll read it!

>> No.18685623

>>18684951
>I already don't have writer friends, so there's not that option.
Meet some on discord writing groups or discord channels for your genre? Do you write speculative fiction?

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WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT
NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT,
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT, ANYMORE

>> No.18686355

>>18685105
Really appreciate the feedback, thanks for taking the time to write this out

>> No.18686444

How to learn to write stories better? Anybody got any free or paid resources to learn how to make characters and stories and things?

>> No.18686525

>>18685623
All the writers I've dealt with on discord have been progressive faggots who cheered on inclusion and diversity no matter how retarded and none of them knew how to outline because they were "pantsers" (retards.)

>> No.18686552

>>18686525
How to outline pls help I don't wanna be a retard.

>> No.18686616

>>18686552
First step is you have to actually have a beginning middle and end in mind.

>> No.18686621

>>18686444
These days, world building is more important than story of characters so focus on that instead. What's the tax policy? Who is in charge of waste disposal? Who created the major political parties and who was their great grandmother's first crush? If you haven't identified the pets of the protagonist's third cousins then your world is hollow and meaningless and the reader will be able to tell that you're a lazy nigger.

>> No.18686725

You ever question if writing is really what you want to do or what you should do?

Lately, I’m wondering if I should give up writing to spend more time on something else I’m talented in and enjoy as much as writing.

>> No.18686745

>>18686725
Honestly if you have interest in a more normie-friendly hobby, you should do that. I wish I were

>> No.18686766

>>18686745
It’s not really.

>> No.18686770

>>18686725
>Lately, I’m wondering if I should give up writing to spend more time on something else I’m talented in and enjoy as much as writing
Why though?

>> No.18686796

>>18686770
I just have this feeling like I need to chose one and really hone in on that. As for why writing would be the one to fall, I guess it’s because I find it doesn’t come as easily to me. I find writing to be difficult snd I’ve not had much success with just writing. So I second guess myself and think “is this really what I should be doing”.

>> No.18687008

>write some shitty fantasy as a practice, it's just practice so don't worry and write even if it's shit
>slowly fall in love with characters and the story
>tfw you don't even like fantasy, all you read was tolkien
I start to like this story. It's great.

>> No.18687016

>>18687008
I wrote an isekai and the same thing happened to me. I’m now thinking about trying to publish my isekai.

>> No.18687073

>>18686796
Autistically honing in on one “techne” is bad, especially when it’s art related.
>t. Someone who autistically honed in on music for over a decade

>> No.18687115

>>18687073
Well, you want to get better don’t you? And there’s only so much time in the day, most of which needs to go to work and staying alive. I’d love to get better at do both but I’m failing to see how that’s going to possible.

>> No.18687147

>>18687008
>>18687016
What's it about retards

>> No.18688052

>>18686621
Shit man, my 4000 page prologue better be good.

>> No.18688056

>>18686621
not sure if trolling

>> No.18688489
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18688489

>writing at night
>my input is much greater
The psychological effect of working under the cover of night makes me feel less ashamed of what I'm doing. I live among the creatures of the night.
Have you made any observations on how time of day impacts your productivity and creativity?

>> No.18688521

>>18688056
If the idiots I've dealt with on various writing discords are any indication, this is totally true. They brag about the wikis they've built to keep track of their world building.
But they've yet to really figure out a story. It's most important to them to develop a fully realized world to tell the story in, first.

>> No.18688523

>>18686525
As a gregarious 6'3 handsome manly bro, when I go to "writer's fests" I stick out like a sore thumb among all the noodle-armed onion boys and open homosexuals. The entire publishing world is completely pozzed.

>> No.18688529

> Sense of Style
> Joy Luck Club
> Crime and Punishment
> My Struggle by Knausgaard

No real reasons why. Just starting to get into actual, adult reading after lurking this board, and these were for my English class/things I've picked up

>> No.18688530

>>18688489
I write the best in the middle of the night. Unfortunately for me, my sleep is terrible so I get terribly tired around 10 pm every night. Staying awake after that is a constant fight.

>> No.18688538

>>18688523
God I can tell you by your awful, réplétive writing
Kys you fucking rapist

>> No.18688542

>>18688523
i know what you mean.

>>18688538
trigg'd and pozz'd

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>>18688538
Hope you're having a nice day, friend!

>> No.18688565

>>18688542
>>18688551
Think of all the children you raped and turn yourself in Jason Bryan of Vancouver Canada. We don’t protect unironic child-rapists here

>> No.18688567

>>18688529
Knausgård's books were an important source of motivation for me.

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>>18688565
God bless you friend!

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>>18688568
Bro I thought people responded positively to your first book?
Doesn’t the guy from the liquor store have a big Reddit presence?

Nah, just kidding dude, honestly I think you should kys so as to ensure you won’t rape your kid in the future

>> No.18688671

I’m struggling hard with idea. I keep outlining, and re-outlining, and re-outlining again. I just can’t seem to get it exactly right.

>> No.18688690

What are some good literary magazines/journals that aren't "woke"?

>> No.18688755

>>18688652
Yeah, I had a great time selling it at bars and some of my female customers contacted me later and arranged dates. The book itself got me away from hookup culture and doing cocaine with party girls!

How are you today anon? Feeling any more positive than yesterday?

>> No.18688764

>>18688755
Kys rapist

>> No.18688773

>>18688764
God bless you anon, hope tomorrow is better.

>> No.18688784

>>18688773
>>18688764

>> No.18688811

>>18687016
I want to write an isekai but I just feel like that trope has been done to death.

>> No.18688901

>>18688773
Seek help rapist.

>> No.18688907

>>18688901
Sending you love and light.

>> No.18688918

>>18682895
after a great deal of thought on the subject i've decided it's pronounced "peegh"

>> No.18688920

>>18688811
It is, but it's going strong and always will be; it's end-game escapism. If you don't mind the guilt writing one then go for it. It actually helps since most western webnovel readers at least will give it more than a passing glance. For better or worse it's not as entrenched in overall literature in the west though, so if you care about tradpub at all it might not matter too much.

>> No.18688924

>>18688907
Seek help

>> No.18689169
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18689169

Do you need to learn how to write or can you just write?

>> No.18689171

>>18688924
Love you!

>> No.18689181

>>18689169
You can learn to write by reading. Nothing stopping you from simply just writing and learning along the way too if you're brave enough to put it out and lucky enough to even get critique back in the first place.

>> No.18689337

>>18689169
Just write and read books.

>> No.18689350

This is just a little speculative fiction type scene that I wrote down to stoke my imagination and shit:

I reminisce on when the forest came at me with a sword, and I cut down a tree:
-The cluster of roots and berry-bushes carried no sign of him a moment before. Then the slanted-westward sun revealed his curdled face to me as he came out with the bayonet before him. He wielded the AK like it was a hilt, and I thought that was damn queer. His dirty T-shirt read: "DAUGHTER OF THE HILLS". They were always sloganeering onto their clothing, their equipment, their bodies--maybe to confuse us, maybe to scare or anger us. I backpedaled over frosted grass in my white panic, scrambling for my machine pistol. Then I caught myself: "they don't let missionaries carry guns". But the Green Slavs don't care, don't know, don't play Monopoly back home in their huts, casting chicken blood across linoleum tiles to guess what tomorrow may bring.

>> No.18689689

>>18689171
Seek help

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>>18689689
Jesus loves you, anon!

>> No.18689738

what do you do when your work becomes extremely long, complex and riddled with bullshit

>> No.18689745

>>18689738
publish it.

>> No.18689746

>>18689738
Does your story have a first page and a last page figured out yet?

>> No.18689751

>>18689697
Seek help, for jesus does not toleate rapost/

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>>18689738
Cry a little on the inside and saddle myself with extreme anxiety. More importantly, just keep writing.

>> No.18689779

HELP I'M STUCK!

>> No.18689781

recommend everyone here read "showing and telling" by laurie alberts. really covers the foundation of writing well-paced fiction and goes into the techniques in a very straightforward way.

>> No.18689796

It sounds like some of you are writing light novels or some equivalent, but as far as I know, there is not much in the way of publishing for light novels in English. So how do you plan to publish?

>> No.18689806

>>18688920
I’m one of those people that tends to notice things and think too much. What I’ve noticed is that most isekai authors are one and done, or they can only write isekai so I’m pretty terrified of writing one and locking myself into that trap.

>> No.18689811

>>18689796
i think most are just hobbyists and are happy enough just to have people reading their stuff. money is nice but most people don't have the time, temperament or inclination to spend the necessary effort to become a professional.

>> No.18689815

>>18689738
Take a break and then come back to it once your brain has gotten a rest. I’m pretty convinced that the two hardest parts of being a good writer, any sort of artist really, are starting and knowing when it’s time to stop (or pause). That’s just my opinion.

>> No.18689816

>>18689796
you worry about the material plane, i will watch the skies and beyond.

>> No.18689865

>>18689811
I just want to get traditionally published once. Just once.

>> No.18689874

>>18689816
I was expecting something more like
> web publishing
but okay..

>> No.18689897

>>18689796
if someone likes playing volleyball
they do not need to want to join a professional volleyball team, just fuck around with friends
i think this is what they think

>> No.18689923

>>18689865
Give up, you're no writer

>> No.18689928

>>18689865
bro you have no ambition
I want to be the best ever.

>> No.18690269

Thanks to you guys I learned I will never be a writer and so I gave up. I'm also gay now.

>> No.18690307

>>18688565
What did he do? Fuck 16 year olds?

>> No.18690341

I'm in a weird transitional period with writing. So, I think I'm going to focus on short stories - the form fits my temperament better than doing novels, etc.. I think it's because my natural talents are with music and songwriting; which, is why I think the short story might be the perfect literary form for me. However, I have notebook after notebook of abandoned manuscripts, etc., that I'm not sure what to do with. Another weird thing: even though I'm naturally gifted in music, poetry, songs, etc. I'm not into poetry; with some exceptions, and I mostly read novels.

So, after years and years, I'm back to square one, which is both a relief and a little frightening.

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Holy fuck I keep scrapping and rewriting the story and at this point I'll take the command of a random autist in this thread if it will help me move on with the damn story. Here goes

>veteran wants to be left in peace and leave behind his life as a raping and pillaging soldier
>overprotective of his daughter, shelters her and tries to keep her pure
>war reaches him once again
>he gets captured but his daughter escapes with partisans
>feel as if his part in the story is complete, yet also feel like he is underutilized
>not sure if I should kill him off instead of being captured
>or have him live on and get forced to fight for the invaders, briefly reuniting with his daughter later before they fight side-by-side

>> No.18690477

>>18690463
Kill him off, time skip, daughter fights in his place.

>> No.18690486

>>18690341
Ishiguro was a songwriter before he was a writer. He has an interview where he talks about how he went from music to short stories to novels. Check it out.

>> No.18690494

>>18690463
If I'm your reader, I'd want second bullet from the last - pow scenes can be powerful and evocative, and I like when characters get killed off if it's shocking. For the 'general reader', last bullet.

>> No.18690509

>>18690463
if you're story involves the daughter actually fighting instead of just being a support role(logistics, nurse, etc) then you're already fucked and should start over

>> No.18690517

>>18690486
That's perfect. Thanks, bud. That should put things in perspective for me.

>> No.18690523

>>18682500
Fine enough passage

>> No.18690552

>>18683049
Good. Third paragraph has a bit too many "I"s in it, but I reckon you know that already. Try combining some sentences, or something else.

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>>18690509
She makes medicines and explosives. She also knows how to use a machinegun and mortar but has never actually used them in a combat scenario. Am I still fucked?

>> No.18690571

>>18684857
Write during breaks and in the bathroom and on lunch. I get at least 2 pages of my 3 page daily minimum that way.

>> No.18690576

>>18690559
>manufacturing
Yeah, that's okay. Just don't do the "men and women are the same and are equally capable" bullshit. There's plenty accounts from America's adventures in the Middle East, women shut down in combat situations.

>> No.18690612

>>18690463
Just wing it. Who cares about some equally capable stuff.

>> No.18690623

>>18690486
Read the Paris Review interview and it resonated - very relatable for my situation and it was inspiring. Thanks, again. I feel vindicated.

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>>18690559
Dude write your story. That dude is not suggesting things in good faith. There have literally been women in history who have shitkicked men in physical combat and/or with guns. Some women are fucking brilliant and can easily out-wit the average 70 IQ savage.

And yes, the AVERAGE woman is not as capable as the AVERAGE man, but there are women fit enough and trained enough that they could absolutely DEMOLISH like 95% of dudes.

Fuck, I dated a 5'10 chick back in the 00's who did judo and she could throw a 200 lbs guy into our pool all day long. She was strong as fuck and taught a crossfit-like group fitness program in Surrey.

Again, take what you read here with a big grain of salt, a lot of people are here just to sow doubt within you.

>> No.18690735

I still want to write a story about a girl falling for a genocidal maniac. It’s okay if you kill aliens.

>> No.18690785

>>18690735
Make it a girl falling for a genocidal maniac who's also a girl that's also a broken ice queen and reciprocates her feelings later. Aliens are gay, make them kill humans instead. Humans are more fun.

>> No.18690815

>>18690517
Post your songs, anon.

>> No.18690817

There should just be a /wlng/

>> No.18690825

>>18689796
unfortunately you are wrong and LN are being published in english just so long as your skin is brown
t. knows someone who got an LN published because his skin is brown

>> No.18690838

>>18690815
Give me your email and I'll share

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I could get 1000 points of AoS models for 182 USD that could be spent on books, Moleskines, and submission fees. Do I choose fun and baseddom, or a life of gruelling writing?

>> No.18690851

>>18690838
ezfan0363@gmail.com

>> No.18690855

/wg/, I want to make it clear before I say this that this I'm legitimately not trying to bait, but I've got an idea on my mind and I'm not sure what to do about it.

see, you know how blaxploitaion heroes take every positive black stereotype and roll them up into one cartoonishly cool chad thundercock, or how less realistic works of fiction might do the same thing to create a russian comrade who dual-wields ak-47s on bearback or a panda xiaolin monk? I'm trying to create a jewsploitation character who follows those same principles, but no matter how many stereotypes I add on the character I can't make the character feel jewish without including the negative stereotypes as well. How do I make this work?

>> No.18690865

>>18690855
Read Michael Chabon’s Cavalier and Klay

>> No.18690866

>>18688690
Dunno man. All agents are blue-hairs who are only looking to publish you if you're a tranny, a faggot, a brown, or a wammenz (preferably a brown wammenz.) Publishing industry is literally cancer.

>> No.18690868

>>18690855
Jews, unfortunately, have no positive qualities to exploit.

>> No.18690869

>>18689796
I publish my stuff for free on webserial platforms like Royalroad. The English market is almost as dead as dodo birds, though there is some book about a neko gf that's the closet thing to a Western light novel. So unless you happen to know French, you'll probably just have to selfpub somewhere or serialize it online.

>> No.18690886

>>18688690
I know some but I’m not tainting them here. Literally just go through submittable and blacklist any that say “calling LGBTQIABBC+ Black BIPOC Women of Flubba”
It’s not hard.

>> No.18691018

>>18690842
>Moleskines
disgusting. Upgrade to Leuchtturm if you're doing pen and paper.

>> No.18691048

any hidden gems in rr?

>> No.18691054

What gets me about most literary magazines these days isn't necessarily the wokeism, but more like the shallowness of their wokeism. If you read Invisible Man or Black Boy or any of the early-20th century black writers you see a depth of emotion and experience that you just don't get in modern magazines.

Like I remember an excerpt from Black Boy where he talks about the community preacher coming to dinner, and he was really excited because his mom cooked a huge fried chicken dinner, when normally he ate crackers and tea for most meals, and how the preacher was already super fat from constantly being invited to big meals at people's homes. The first course was a thin soup, which the boy's mom forced him to eat with perfect etiquette while the preacher just tilted his bowl up and gulped it all down before he started devouring all the best pieces of the chicken. And the boy got frustrated because he wasn't going to get any of the chicken he was looking forward to all week, and finally he yells at the preacher to save him some, and the boy's mom sends him to his room for being rude while the preacher eats all the chicken. Reading that scene as a kid I understood his frustration, but rereading as an adult I saw how that was really a metaphor for the black experience during segregation.

And now you get shit like "The cops don't understand that graffiti is just my culture."

>> No.18691055

>>18691048
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/33024/a-fractured-song
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34777/hilda-finds-a-home
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/33283/aoi
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/43377/the-way-of-wrought-earth-or-my-tale-of-rebirth

Most of the ones I'm following and enjoy.

>> No.18691074

>>18691054
Word dog. Shiiii

>> No.18691087

>>18691048
My favorite story on RR is "Reincarnated as a Medieval Bedpan: Will I Survive the Sanitarium and Get a Harem, or Will I Overfloweth with Diarrhea???"

>> No.18691179

>>18690855

well, fuck. I think I've found an archetypal jewsploitation character /wg/, but, well, see how the reasoning parses itself out

>almost by definition, a jewsploitation hero that reflects their people's cultural identity is going to have to be a nerd not a jock. Put simply, brawn isn't a part of the jewish self-image, brains are
>however an idealized cultural image can't show vulnerability. This means an awkward nerd can't work here, but a cocky self-assured genius can
>religion and image come into apparent contradiction here. religion and nerds don't mix. That said, the jewish identity is unique among among monotheistic religions in two ways: first by putting god in an antagonistic role and second by reincorporating the magic of gemmatria and golems into the science of crytography and robotics. Therefore, a jewsploition hero would be an iconoclast, not devout

In other words, the ideal jewsploitation character archetype is... an incel

>> No.18691185

>>18690559
>Am I still fucked?
yes

>> No.18691240

>>18691048
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/15441/after-the-mountains-are-flattened
God these guys with a multiweek update schedule, I gotta up my game

>> No.18691241

so what have you published anon?

>> No.18691249

>>18691241
8 poems, 1 story. Wbu?

>> No.18691263
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18691263

>>18681301
Finished the first draft of a 94,000 words novel today, and instead of revising it, I simply started writing my second novel.
Does that happen to anyone else here?
I am not sure at all if this is good or bad, because on the one hand, I should probably just get over with the first novel already while my mind is still "in it", but on the other many authors says it's good to wait a few months until you revise your first draft because you might bring a new perspective into it.
What do you guys think?

>> No.18691266

>>18691054
All contemporary lacks depth and emotion. Anything I pick up published in the last 10 years is shallow and mechanical, whether it may be polished or not there is a distinct dearth of human experience. everything has to be a formulaic, artificial, exact-to-specifications mechanical guide to a defined plot and a defined agenda. I'm going to use the word "soulless" because there is none better to express what modern """literature""" feels like. It's like a bunch of AI mixing and matching the surface decoration of previous novels, neither understanding nor including the human meaning that made them worth reading. Modern writers from the MFA manufacturing plant take all the motions understanding none of it. They are highly trained monkeys on typewriters, producing by formula and guideline, and I haven't once had the sense that any one of them has anything going on in the inside. Lights on, no one is home.

I don't want to read only a bunch of shit written in the 1800s but they aren't giving me a choice. The soullessness of modern literature gives me an uneasy chill.

>> No.18691269

>>18691263
Revise later, write now, put the pedal to the metal, baby. Don’t stop. Use what you’ve learned from the first novel and make your new one versatile, different, better.

>> No.18691292

>>18691263
its definitely better to put it aside for a while from neurological perspective. it gives time for your subconscious to sort out the details of your novel so that when you revise you'll start to see connections in the draft that you apparently didn't see before. starting something else in the interim will also motivate you to finish the revision so that you can now work on this new piece. the most prolific writers (asimov, king, christy) used this technique to constantly sustain interest in their work without burning out. the longer you incubate and the more times you do it the deeper the result. i'm convinced this is how you can write and not suffer from post-partum depression.

>> No.18691296

>>18691240
I'm actually shocked and impressed this has gone on for this long without selling out and setting up a patreon or going kindle at all. Props to him, actually something to aspire for.

>> No.18691431

>>18691296
its a good novel, and at the time I hadn't read any like it. Its the first VRMMO novel that had the balls to truly capture what the craziness of the future and of all these different cultures could be. Its full of prose, autism, 1000 iq schemes, and so much more. Incasing so many things. So yeah, something to aspire to.

>> No.18691487

>>18691266
I think we kind of agree that the "literary elite" are a group of self-selecting gatekeepers who have gone straight from school to MFA to a career as poet laureate or whatever, kind of skipping the "living" phase that gave the writers of previous generations such richness in their novels. Reading anything from the pipeline is like watching someone try to guess what it's like to be alive. We can all sense it, but I'm wondering if there is an exact cause or a turning point.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was the Beats mixed with a bit of Jackson Pollock, this sort of notion that all the rules were gone and the only remaining rule is that you can't follow any rules. So there's this mentality of like anti-learning where you stubbornly refuse to let the establishment influence you, but in the arts, the audience is the establishment. So there's this rebellion against popular taste, but then this soulless drivel does get popular somehow. I guess it's because reading isn't the main entertainment anymore, so the notion is if you can convince the reading public that you're both above the general public, I don't know. I bet you could probably find some kind of parallel in the development of political systems, like how the modern forms of fascism and communism only exist in incestous circles where the goal isn't so much world domination as getting elected commissar of your local activist group and feeling powerful.

>> No.18691518
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18691518

>>18691487
We need to make our own culture since the current culture is too manufactured and fake to be real

>> No.18691554

>everyone writing with such vivid imagination of fantasy and philosophy
>I'm writing a simple love story between a man and his robot
How do I get better imagination?

>> No.18691623

>>18691554
What type of robot, so I can judge your obvious shit taste.
Anyways, manxrobot is already imaginative you fuck, you could literally put everything you said there into it. Fucking retard, faggot, I love you no homo

>> No.18691628
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18691628

>>18691554
I am constantly imagining.

If you need creative help, email me, jason@jason-bryan.com

>> No.18691647

>>18691554
watch anime :^)

>> No.18691659

>>18691054
>And now you get shit like "The cops don't understand that graffiti is just my culture."
Because that’s all there is left. The culture really has been reduced to graffiti.

>> No.18691707

>>18691628
Why’d you rape those kids?

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18691722

>>18691707
Because it was fun?

>> No.18691737

>>18682500

cryptosneed

>> No.18691875

Test your mettle, write a doorstopper

>> No.18691879

>>18691875
I guess I technically am already writing one at 315k words.

>> No.18691886

>>18691875
I've got 123 thousand words, how much more do I need to qualify?
I'm not going past 140k no matter what that's just unnecessary

>> No.18691939

>>18683049
If it's person you shouldn't also be saying things that the narrator doesn't know. Unless you're like "But I wouldn't know that until later", and then make it being a police station relevant.

Cut the "-looks retarded..." just unnecessary and the most amateur sentence in the section.

3rd paragraph - "I do this, I do that, I do this, I do that"... mix it up a bit. You can find more creative ways of describing the action.

Yeah overall this is pretty shit man, I couldn't even finish it and it's not very long, but you seem like you could write a lot better, meant as a compliment, I tried to give some constructive feedback.

>> No.18691943

>>18689350
Nice. Cut out the first "Then" about the sun, it's the 2nd sentence, you don't need to say what's next.

>> No.18691953

>>18691179
Just imagine your protagonist as a younger, more muscular Larry David

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18691958

>>18691707
It was amazing.

>> No.18692069

>>18691953

so stanely tucci

>> No.18692172

>>18691296
Nothing wrong with a patreon. People making some money for something they are otherwise giving for free.

>> No.18692244

>>18691018
>Leuchtturm
Redpill me on it. I don’t like how floppy Moleskines are.

>> No.18692269

>>18690559
What >>18690635 said.
Also, read up on vietnamese women in the vietnam war. Those mofos fucked some shit up and i don’t remember what her name was but one of them was inspired by some hero in some book. So yes, fiction can lead to great things, and women can be basically the same as dudes as long as they have firearms. They endure more shit than we do, on a regular basis.
remember: never trust something that bleeds for a week and doesn’t die

>> No.18692281
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18692281

>"yay guys my fantasy novel got picked up by a publisher! I'm so happy! ;)"
>"the publisher made a kickstarter page for it, it's not funded yet"
That's not a publisher! Who the fuck falls for scam like this jesus christ

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18692299

you get this email… what do?

>> No.18692307

>>18692299
Nothing, because you will never be a writer.

>> No.18692309

>>18692307
It’s a vanity publisher, anon…

>> No.18692310

>>18692309
Even more reason why you will never be a writer.

>> No.18692314

>>18692310
Thanks. I don’t want to be a “writer” anyway. I call it wordsmith myself *chuckles wryly*

>> No.18692328

>>18692314
Someone is trying to demoralize you, anon.

I believe in you.

GO GO GO!

>> No.18692334

>>18692299
Follow the instructions and obtain a bottle of high quality alcohol for possible celebrations in the future.

>> No.18692339

>>18692328
It’s okay, someone like him does it every few threads. It’s like the “you’ll never be a woman” thing, so I don’t take it so ser-i-ous-ly. How is your writing coming along? I’m free now so got an idea for a piece lined up before slumber.

>> No.18692353

>>18692328
>>18692334
He wasn't joking though, it is a vanity publisher and not worth the time.

>> No.18692360

>>18692353
The fact that they don't realize the implications of what a vanity publisher even is, just shows that the anon was right in telling him that he will never be a writer.

>> No.18692370

>>18692328
Seek help Jason, you're mentally Ill.

>> No.18692374

>>18692360
Samefag… I literally told him it was a vanity publisher after I posted it.

>> No.18692381

>>18692374
Don't try to cover.

>> No.18692383

>>18692370
Feels good anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ZZKRMw5wI

ngl

>> No.18692386

>>18692381
First answer me this, anon. What is “making it” to you? I feel like you’re only hostile because you don’t like competition.

>> No.18692387

Here’s what I wrote down in another thread : >>18692291

>> No.18692388

>>18692383
There's nothing good about being a rapist Jason.

>> No.18692396
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18692396

>>18692388
Did he go lower than 16?

>> No.18692398

>>18692388
You give me an excuse to self-express my creations in every thread. I hope you watch my videos and read my writing and find peace in your life. We could be friends!

>> No.18692401

Dear Alex,

I’ve been marked. Fucking great. I let her go, and this is what I get? Betrayal? Does she not remember when I killed him with my own bare hands? Or is that why she broke the promise? I just… She doesn’t know what it’s like out there. She doesn’t know how to deal with death. That’s why. She doesn’t understand. And she never will. She’s incapable of returning. So, this is it, this is where we’re going? ‘Beyond.’
I knew I shouldn’t have gotten into any of this, I should’ve just kept my head down. I’m incapable of doing that however, and of course I had to stick my nose into this pile of shit. Not any kind of pile of shit, mind you, but the most powerful feces you’ll ever lay your eyes on. A disgusting pile of regurgitated food and what else that has the power to fuck us all over. And we gave it that power. And now I’m in with the rest of them. How much of a fucking retard was I to believe I could’ve ridden it out?
I should’ve gone with the plan. When she was in The Agora I should’ve made sure she never saw the light of day. But no. And now I lay on this floor like Caesar. What did I expect?

I don’t know why I’m writing this to you. I know we haven’t talked in 6 months, but this is better than nothing. Actually, I know why. The moon is closing in. I want you to take Sam and John to the parking lot. The password for the Odyssey is 8743. If you don’t remember what that means, remember that ‘a Three-legged goose is better than a four-legged raven.” That should jog your memory.
And before you go asking “why won’t you just go to the Sphere?” I have principles. I’m not going to give them an inch. I’ve done that too many times already.
Please take care of them. It may not be worth anything in the end, but just do it for the peace of mind of my decaying corpse. Please.
I’ve gone too far down this rabbit hole.

Michael

>> No.18692402

>>18692396
He preyed on teenage runaways, so you tell me.

>> No.18692403

>>18692396
Age of content was 14 until a few decades ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoChp2HR0Q

>> No.18692404

>>18692402
If they’re 16 or over it’s not rape where he lives. What you’re doing is defamation of character otherwise.

>> No.18692410

>>18692398
Get a real job and be a father to your imaginary son.

>> No.18692419

>>18692410
Where is your self-expression bro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryRG8yyv3Bw

>> No.18692423

>>18692419
In my writing. Unlike your delusions of grandeur.

>> No.18692431
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18692431

>>18692419
What is this DEGENERACY?

>> No.18692433

>>18692431
The work of a mentally ill man.

>> No.18692439

>>18692433
You seem to know him pretty well. That means you associated with a mentally ill paedophile. Shame.

>> No.18692443

>>18692423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmvc0H70z74

Do you have anything cool from your life to share?

>> No.18692451

>>18692431
You love it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2fSylt9fcI

Self-expression is beautiful.

>> No.18692452

Okay this is now a mentally ill paedophile thread.
https://youtu.be/Uqfp5Kz-Hhg

>> No.18692466

>>18692452
I bet my videos entertain and inspire more than your blind hate.

>> No.18692467

>>18692466
Are you on drugs?

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>>18692467

>> No.18692504

>>18692470
Based

>> No.18692509

>>18692470
Seek help

>> No.18692540

Peep show shows what happens when you use a vanity publisher
https://youtu.be/Zg6j9mlw7Wo

>> No.18692542

>>18692509
Cringe

>> No.18692545

>>18692542
Based

>> No.18692574

>>18692540
Kek

>> No.18692575

>>18692545
Cringe

>> No.18692969

>>18689796
I don't, I just write.

>> No.18693196

>>18681301
In the process of doing a historical fantasy novel. Set in 1980s with two parts one containing no magic at all. Second will involve the effect it will have on the world.

>> No.18693417

The juxtaposition of the two men infront of Johnathon broke up the stress of what might have been the worst day of his life. The frail police linguist in front of him was Martin, a snobbish runt hated in the agency. The sight of the accomplished language expert being reduced to childlike noises and hand gestures gave Johnathon his first smile of the day. Martin’s opposite was… an anomaly. He looked straight out of time, and after everything that had happened, very well could be. He was tall, large framed and possessed an elaborate beard with braided hair and a tan. He didn’t show much muscular definition but judging from his size, no one would mistake him for a push over. This relatively imposing demeanor was matched by his apparel, a prisoner jumpsuit, the only clothing they could find on such short notice for an apprehended nude suspect. Martin broke the break of silence by picking up his pad of paper and emphasizing it to the man. He had tried several objects to try establishing exactly what language this man spoke. He had tried a phone, pencil and now his notepad. Neither produced any words he could find online, and the two investigators were not even sure he understood what they wanted from him. He had been awfully quiet, any words he did produce were slurred. The man was speaking softly and didn’t seem to understand their plan. They were interrupted by a knock on the interrogation room door which made the suspect twitch his head towards it. “Come on!” John blurted out quickly. A young rookie police officer brought in the first food any of the men had in at least half a day. The plate contained 3 spartan sandwiches of wholewheat bread and some deli cheese, clearly the police resources were being stretched thinner than he first thought.

>> No.18693420

>>18693417
“You guys must be awfully hungry after today, this was all we had laying in the fridge on our floor” said the young cop before turning to leave. Before she could fully leave the room, the man turned his head to her and muttered something quietly with a somewhat piercing look. The suspect's eyes showed some more positive emotion when he turned to look at the food. Martin picked up a sandwich in what initially appeared to be a gesture of courtesy, rather, he was actually looking to quiz the man again. The man reached for the sandwich with greater force than any of his other actions and let out the same word several times. It sounded like… “nin da”. Martin pulled the sandwich back and pointed to it, “Nin..da?” he asked in an inquisitive tone. “Ninda…” said the man before another incomprehensible sentence. This might be the lead they needed. “Doesn’t ring a bell in any language families I’m familiar with… maybe I’ll check online..” said Martin. He quickly did an internet search for “ninba, sandwich, food, bread” and other related terms. After about 30 seconds of quiet waiting, Martin let out a gasp. “What is it?” replied Johnathon. Martin ignored his inquiry to show the man a picture of a dog and only said “Ur?”. The suspect looked shocked at the phone. He stuttered over his words before saying a sentence that did contain the word “Ur”. Martin then put his tongue out and said the word “eme”. The suspect seemed to understand more what Martin was doing and said “eme” in reply. Martin turned to John with a more determined look and proclaimed: “Johnathon… I didn’t believe it at first but I think we may be talking to the first fluent speaker of ancient Sumerian in nearly 4000 years!”

>> No.18693663

I do my best writing in the middle of the night but my sleep is terrible and I can’t stay awake. It doesn’t help that I need to be up by 7 am each morning for work.