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>Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom... The subjection of individuals will increase amongst democratic nations, not only in the same proportion as their equality, but in the same proportion as their ignorance.
>Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Thoughts? Would you say we're closer to socialism than democracy?

>> No.18697749

>>18697733
Who's we? I live in a monarchy, bro.

>> No.18697755

>>18697749
Obviously americans retard

>> No.18697764

>>18697755
American retards? Alright, I'll leave you people discuss your things.

>> No.18697768

>>18697733
Modern America is unironically a communist hellscape out of the dreams of Stalin

>> No.18697773
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18697773

>Modern America is unironically a communist hellscape out of the dreams of Stalin

>> No.18697780

tocqueville was retarded

>> No.18697791

>>18697764
Heh

>> No.18697803

>>18697733
>democracy seeks equality in liberty
An oxymoron. Despite being always mentioned together, freedom and equality are inherently opposed to each other

>> No.18697915

>>18697803
I think he just means that no one is subservient to anyone else by law

>> No.18698054 [DELETED] 

>>18697733
Why is our country a cesspool of extraordinarily insecure midwits?

>> No.18698196

>>18697915
Neither that's the case under socialism. And before you start sledging about how authoritarian socialist states are you are just as submitted to the state's authority as you are in democracy, the only difference is the scope, and that's because as stated you can't be both free and equal and to prioritize one aspect means to make the other worse
Arguably under a libertarian state you are more likely to submit to other individuals depending on economic power, which socialism at least in theory tries to prevent

>> No.18698200

Oh god, another thread of this retard

>> No.18699296

>>18697733
Democracy is merely the forerunner to socialism

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18699313

>>18697733
Yes, the Pedocrats want a slave race and slavery. They would succeed too except that a brave hero emerged, a high test alpha who can resist them. A prophet of God sent with full strength and righteousness.

Trump is righteousness. Trump is strength.

He is unstumpable. The riggers cower in fear and he already rules behind the scenes with full military support. The audit will come out in a few weeks and 8/18/21 is when the SCOTUS will have to rule on the rigging. Nothing can stop what is coming.

>> No.18700658

>>18697780
Said no one ever

>> No.18700665

>>18697803
>>18698196
Brainlet

>> No.18700671

>>18697733
>closer to socialism than democracy?
start with the greeks

>> No.18700917

>>18700671
Plato was staunchly anti-democratic, and his conception of democracy is vastly different from the one we have now

>> No.18701137

>>18698200
>>18697780
How long are you going to seethe about these threads?

>> No.18701312

bump

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>>18697733
I just want to say, for the election tourists' benefit, that this is a fantastic book. Obviously he doesn't get the big picture due to his "different understanding", but that different understanding will help you know your own country better.

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>>18697733
It's scary how prophetic some of these old intellectuals were. Like, could you produce a prediction that would be meaningful and correct 10 years from? What about 150? Fucking crazy.

>> No.18703013

>>18699313
What?

>> No.18703557

>>18702138
>election tourists
MEDS. NOW.

>> No.18703586

>>18702225
>Like, could you produce a prediction that would be meaningful and correct 10 years from?
you will still be a virgin

>> No.18703675

>>18699313
Two more weeks

>> No.18703681

>>18702138
The election was 5 years ago. If they've been here that long it aint tourism anymore

>> No.18703691

>>18697768
Stalin didn't give a damn if his nation was communist or not, only that he had supreme control over it.

>> No.18703719

>>18699313
The guy couldn't win the popular vote against the most hated woman in US history and didn't do anything to expand beyond his meager base in four years and did nearly everything possible to alienate everyone else - I don't care how much the Democrats may or may not have cheated, he couldn't win that election.

Biggest dick on campus just isn't a selling ticket for the majority of Americans. Even if whoever they're more likely to want at the bar is certainly a factor, you can only be so much of a fuck up.

>> No.18703836

>>18697803
This how do people still not get this?

>> No.18703918

>>18703836
umm... you're wrong sweaty
http://incitejournal.com/opinion/the-freedom-vs-equality-debate-is-a-false-dichotomy/
>Freedom is a value worth fighting for, but so is Equality; and I would argue that there is no need to make a choice between the two, as you cannot have one without the other. True Freedom requires true Equality. While social, economic and political hierarchies exist, both freedom and equality cannot exist. To quote Mikhail Bakunin, “political freedom without economic equality is a pretense, a fraud, a lie”. The root of all un-freedom is authority; vertical power structures necessarily restrict the freedom of the weaker party by virtue of where power lies in the relationship between the two. Even if the master never uses his power over the slave, the fact that he holds this power creates the un-freedom of the slave, the mere potential for coercion by the master is what makes him unfree. We need to rethink and reshape the discourse around freedom in the 21st century, we need to seek out and analyse what shackles us.

>> No.18703928

>>18703918
lmao

>> No.18703942

>>18703918
>>18703836
>>18702138
So either you've no freedom to gain power, or whoever does is free to put you down.

It's almost like freedom and equality are an illusion or something.

Granted, it doesn't really stop you from having some sorta base-line standard for both.

>> No.18704019

I might be hungry, broke, uneducated, homeless, and in debt, but at least I have democracy!

>> No.18704060

>>18704019
I'll keep you as my sex slave in the basement. You'll be clothed and fed

>> No.18704075

>>18704019
>t. Letzter Mensch who would sacrifice freedom for comfort

>> No.18704117

>>18697733
>while democracy seeks equality in liberty
nothing about democracy is inherently libertarian
democracy just means people govern themselves

>> No.18704160

>>18704075
How else do i get my sex slaves

>> No.18704378

What the fuck happened to lit?