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Why are so many young people on this board so obsessed with Buddhism/Advaita non-dualism, Hinduism, Esotericism, Gnosticism, Guenon and other idolatries?
/lit/erature on how to fight this impulse in the West and return the young people to a better state for their soul?

>For the worship of abominable idols is the cause, and the beginning and end of all evil.
>For either they are mad when they are merry: or they prophesy lies, or they live unjustly, or easily forswear themselves.
>For whilst they trust in idols, which are without life, though they swear amiss, they look not to be hurt.
>But for two things they shall be justly punished, because they have thought not well of God, giving heed to idols, and have sworn unjustly, in guile despising justice.

(Wisdom 14:27-30)

>For of a truth, O Lord, the kings of the Assyrians have laid waste lands, and their countries.
>And they have cast their gods into the fire, for they were not gods, but the works of men's hands, of wood and stone: and they broke them in pieces.
>And now, O Lord our God, save us out of his hand: and let all the kingdoms of the earth know, that thou only art the Lord.

(Isaiah 37:18-20)

>The idols of the Gentiles are silver and gold, the works of men's hands.
>They have a mouth, but they speak not: they have eyes, but they see not.
>They have ears, but they hear not: neither is there any breath in their mouths.
>Let them that make them be like to them: and every one that trusteth in them.

(Psalm 134:15-18)


>Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

(Colossians 2:18)

>Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

(1 Corinthians 10:14-17)

>> No.18705357
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op is a fag

>> No.18705387
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>>18705357
>“Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge who carry about their wooden idols, and keep on praying to a god that cannot save.
(Isaiah 45:20)

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I don't think you should throw around the word obsessed so carelessly, bot/spammer-fag.

>> No.18705768

Sometimes you need to distinguish between things so you can get a point across

>> No.18705777

Is Christianity dualist? They certainly draw from neoplatonists.

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We have this exact thread every day. And every day the non-dual bulls continue to dominate while the dualists can only reincarnate into misery.

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>>18705777
>They certainly draw from neoplatonists.
It's the other way around. Neoplatonism is just a heavily distorted Christianity.

>Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.

>> No.18705794

>>18705779
>non-dual
>dual
As a Christian, I transcend this meaningless dichotomy.

>> No.18705795

>>18705353
>>18705387
but most churches are full of idols

>> No.18705796

>>18705788
Either way, that would make Christianity non-dualist.

>> No.18705801

>>18705796
>non-dualist
Christianity is above duality and non-duality.

>> No.18705813

>>18705801
no religion can be non dualist that defeats the purpose of worship

>> No.18706233

>>18705795
The holy ikons have been around since the beginning of the church. We do not pray to the images, but to the True God behind them. They are a focus and a symbol of His presence with us. It is very easy to forget that God is there in prayer. The ikons remind us of this.

>> No.18706248

>>18705801
Literally this. Christians are not Manichaeans; Satan simply cannot be compared to God. He has been permitted to continue to play around in order to test the faithful, but this permission will not last forever.

>> No.18706364

>>18705794
No you don't. You are created and deprived of divinity as being part of creation.

>> No.18706380

>>18706248
>dualism is god vs satan so christerism is ackshually non-dualism
I thought OP was seething over the spread of non-dualism in the Indian or Chinese sense, which refers more to subject and object, god and nature, etc., in which case, no, Christianity is dualism.

>> No.18706383

>>18706364
>deprived of divinity
Wrong.
>being part of creation.
So? Being part of creation does not make it impossible for you to be infused with God's own divinity. You just do not posses it by nature (as God does) since you are a human, but God can raise you to posses his divinity.

>> No.18706390

>>18706380
>Christianity is dualism
Christianity doesn't care about "dualism" or "non-dualism". It's above such trivial considerations.

>> No.18706397

>>18706383
>You just do not posses it by nature (as God does) since you are a human, but God can raise you to posses his divinity.
Ok so you are inherently deprived of it unless he decides to save you from the world he created. That's as dual as you can get. Creator-created, grasper-grasped, subject-object.

>> No.18706404

>>18706390
>dualism is trivial to christers
>please save me from the world you made o lord

>> No.18706405 [DELETED] 

>>18705353
you have no life lmao

>> No.18706441

>>18706404
>Please save me from the LIFE I CHOSE o lord
This world, even in its fallen state, is quite wonderful, and the Holy Fathers are very clear that you appreciate it more as your spirit is purified.

We Christians are not asking to be saved from the world, but from our practically irredeemable, disgusting, criminal, hateful, FILTHY egos that eagerly agree to sin every day. We want to come back to our father’s house, not be spirit beings.

Not only that, but we believe in the ressurection of the dead on the Last Day.

>> No.18706492

>>18706441
I am very aware of Christian doctrine. I don't know why tradzooms think they are such compelling evangelists for something everyone has been taught. Let's look at your words here though. Now it is not the world we need to be saved from, but from our selves? Again, this is a dualism from many nondual Indian or Chinese perspectives; the self is separate from the world and those in turn are separate from divinity.

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>>18706492
>Indian or Chinese perspectives

>> No.18706521

>>18706404
>save me from the world
No. I pray for Christ to save me from sin and the inability to be with Him (i.e. eternal damnation), not this world.

>> No.18706570

>>18706492
I see what you mean. In this sense yes, there is a dualism in terms of fundamental existence, but the point of Christianity is to become united to the uncreated energies of God through theosis. We can’t participate in his essence, but St Gregory Palamas and the holy hesychasts teach that we can participate in the energies of his uncreated grace.

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>>18706497
Yes that's what the OP was asking about, albeit in bad faith
>>18706521
Alright, not from the world but from the deprivation of him, i.e. hell. Still dualism.
>>18706570
Not really the traditional Christianity of western Europe as received by English speaking peoples and seems to be a late development in Greece well after the trasmission of Christianity to the Latins, relying on neoplatonism for argumentation

>> No.18706862

>>18705353
This is a Christian theologian whose work was nondual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister_Eckhart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg0c32KbA-g

Also, read this please:
https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/carse.html

The Bible is a beautiful spiritual work and if it helps you gain intimacy with a higher power, by all means read it and develop your faith, but keep in mind we're just mortal creatures on a rock, using symbols to understand something beyond, so please don't act like yours are the only way to do so even if it makes you feel uncomfortable to see others practicing or exploring in a different way

>> No.18706894

>>18706862
>Meister_Eckhart
>Christian

oh no no no

>> No.18706926

>>18706862
>>18706894
Citing Eckhardt is like citing Palamas as that other guy did. These are people who arrived at nondual wisdom in spite of the religious conditions of their contemporaries. Christianity is not meant to teach nonduality. It can only do so if intellectual violence has been done to it.

>> No.18706948

>>18705357
> Of all creatures, Boy is the most troublesome.

>> No.18707120

>>18705353
Amen brother
>>18705801
Exactly this

>> No.18707300

>>18706612
Not that much later. This monastic tradition goes back to St Anthony the Great, the founder of Christian monasticism