/lit/ - Literature

>>18703117
start with the greeks

>>18703117
Is there a way to turn rhetorical skill and performance act skills into art? I dont want to be a theatre fag desu

>>18703117
>but have no artistic talent
Same
Can't play, sing, compose, dance, paint, sculpt, etc.
Many people encouraged me to write, but I'm simply not good enough at it
Still, writing is the """easiest""" one.

>but my sole skill is real-time rhetorics, I only get hate even though Im just trying to create a cathartic experience.
Try performance art, then.

Have you considered corrupting the youth of your city-state?

>>18703278
Based
The sun is not a god btw, it's a very hot stone

>>18703278
Im actually trying to be uplifting but I have a bit of a contrarian personality. Like if I see people who take themselves too seriously, Ill needle them until they explode. I try to really just loosen people up, challenge them a bit, give them an opportunity to come back with an intelligent retort or some passion. It sucks because women hate this shit too they cant take any pressure at all. They never figure out that this is just a play

>>18703117
>retarded troll finds a sliver of self-awareness and realizes he is a worthless piece of shit
Kek.
Many such cases.

>>18703348
>It sucks because women hate this shit too they cant take any pressure at all. They never figure out that this is just a play
Do they? Everything is a play for women

Once I was in a bar drinking with my crush
The barman said something like "Oh, I don't get many customers my age around here. What are (both of) you doing later? Maybe we should hang out!"
I told the girl I was pissed that he was flirting with her
"You should have told him to stop"
"I'm not your boyfriend"
"Maybe sometimes we can pretend that you are".

still seething

>>18703117
Go into right wing politics, your talents will take you far

>>18703398
>my side is motivated by truth
>your side is evil
>good guys
>bad guys
kek

Imagine yourself sitting at a table with people who take themselves seriously and nothing is going on. You want to stir some shit up so things become interesting right? Like I cant stand a minute longer just sitting with boring people in a retarded town, I want to challenge these people to show some of their personality. I can figure out quickly where to needle someone and I do it just because I enjoy things escalating into a giant theatrical performance that ends with catharsis. Of course I insert prolonged rhetorical monologues, fascinating insults, dramatic challenges and all that into what I suppose is a real time participatory performance act but I dont want to be an actual theatre fag, theatre is fake and gay but this is real. However, the side effect is those who take themselves too seriousoy or the less intelligent ones tend to be insulted so im trying to channel this energy into some kind of creative output that would not upset people so much. But literally, rhetorics and performances of this sort are my lone talent, I can only deliver speeches and such.

>>18703371
You dont understand the scope of this. I know witty retorts are flirty. But this is like a grand opera that lasts for hours and is bordering on the levels of acceptable, I intentionally try to make people at least a little bit uncomfortable. Women do not handle this kind of pressure well at all, I only know 2 artfag girls who dug it and they are into Bukowski and shit like that

Anyways I really dont eant to be "that guy" anymore. Im wondering how to transition this skill into something that isnt going to piss off so many people anymore. Im considering I should transition into provocative/funny Bukowski-tier scribbles. Yeah its gonna be shit but at least more people will figure out its an artistic act. The only alternative is writing speeches for the next Hitler. Still im gonna miss the interactive aspect of it, you dont get any feedback from scribbles

>>18703419
just do that in random places and record it

>>18703427
>You dont understand the scope of this.
??
>Women do not handle this kind of pressure well at all, I only know 2 artfag girls who dug it and they are into Bukowski and shit like that
I'm going to sleep now. The girl I mentioned was into hinduism and russian literature btw

no joke, this is legit a sign of homosex
if you are for real it should be super easy to get laid
if you are homosex, more power to you
just saying

>>18703117
I did this all through my 20s. People are so boring and I just wanted to see something real. Most people fall apart after being asked as few as 4 direct questions as you force them to realize they've put zero thought into the most important parts of their life, including their fake social mask.
I found out later this sort of behavior is associated with ADHD where it's an attempt to create drama because the emotional high helps activate certain parts of the brain.
Reading your posts OP I related a lot. I bet we would be friends if we met in real life.

Aphorisms. Cioran is your model.

>>18703117
talent is overrated, hardwork is how you get stuff done. Just write everyday and eventually you'll get better.

>>18703117
>im just being provocative and working to evoke an emotional reaction and wake people up from boring slumber
You're just trying to justify being an annoying dick and I hope that someone beats you to a pulp

>>18703117
I’ve got something for you : >>18705661

>>18703409
you sound like a queer :/

>>18703117
Recognize the sincere experience of others: when they desire to connect with another human being, when they have something they care passionately about, even if it’s dumb, when they experience sorrow, even if it’s ridiculous, when they have aspirations, even if they’re impossible. Man is a remembering animal. Have mercy on your brothers and sisters. In as many people as you can manage, find the tiny kernel of dormant virtue and encourage its growth. Life is boring, but true heroism is minutes, hours, weeks, year upon year of the quiet, precise, judicious exercise of probity and care—with no one there to see or cheer. This is the world.

>>18703348
>sucks because women hate this shit too
Wrong, women love this shit. There must be another reason if they have a negative reaction to you doing it.

>>18703117
Write a self help book, you will be fine :)

>>18703348
I got my first gf like this
you arw talking to the wrong type of women

>>18705810
They love it when its 1 on 1 or when they want drama but they dont want to look like idiots in front of others.

>>18707270
Some Bukowski fag chicks like me because of it but they are bisexual and insane, im actually conservative

>>18705718
Why?

>>18708489
Anon is projecting, don't think about it.

>>18703117
Anon I think you should approach art through a different perspective, what is it in your life that requires any sort of art? Do you want to use it just as a mere tool of self-exploration or whatever you want to create or say have a place in this world? Look for something that is needed in your life, maybe your friends would enjoy hand made book covers, maybe your church needs a musician or a singer, or maybe it would be meaningful to recover your greatgrandfathers woodworking tradition. Find something that is needed and do it, it will be infinitely more fulfilling than randomly throwing shit together you consumed from others, and it won't reallt matter whether you suck at it or not.

>>18703131
fpbp
/thread
(p.s. start with the sumerians)

>>18703278
Too based for this world

>>18704610
It isn't. I know one such guy, he's straight, unless he decided to do something gay as a part of his generally shocking and attention-seeking approach to life.

>>18703131

sounds like a novel man, write it

>>18709387

I just spoke to an artist who got a fulbright scholarship etc. etc. and all I said was "oh, so you're a fullbright guy, huh?" and the guy already got pissed off. I was honestly trying to ask that the most polite way possible just to keep the conversation going and let him elaborate on it, what he does, what is his story etc.. Then his gf chimed in and attacked me for being a dick to him and I asked the dude whether he thinks I was being a dick, that I wasn't trying to do it and that I can apologize if that's the case, don't need his gf to tell it to me and then they both started attacking me with the idea that I insulted his gf too, then the third guy sided with me and then the entire table started arguing in different directions and off tangents. I wasn't trying to do it, but now I think that my tone which is usually detached tends to piss people off, like I'm pretty unimpressed or emotionally flat about stuff like awards, achievements, major life events etc. unless it's a cool guy, like I cried when an old broke fisherman who was a buddy of mine died, but otherwise I find this "cool stuff" pretty flat. Probably why novels bore me, the thing that is supposed to be a grand emotional moment feels kind of flat, like yeah that shit happens in the world.

if your desire to create is strong enough you will find or develop a way to realize it

Become the new Sam Hyde

>>18703117
>I have a desire to express myself but have no artistic talent. Ive noticed lately that im also negative, contrarian and provocative and that my lone talent is rhetorical skill and making people upset with it. Its so frustrating, I wish I had a creative channel where I could contribute something positive instead. Im not even talking online either, even in person its like my skill is rhetorics and riling people up. It works like magic but only like 10% of people get that its like a performance act/theatre and everyone else takes it too seriously when im just being provocative and working to evoke an emotional reaction and wake people up from boring slumber. I wish i could just paint or play music and people would go oh yeah thats cool I like that and you actually have pieces of work you can look back upon and a CV as an artist, but my sole skill is real-time rhetorics, I only get hate even though Im just trying to create a cathartic experience.

Literally me
I wonder if all this can be explained by lack of socialization and a dependence of media for understanding of social relations

>>18703117
>but have no artistic talent
cringe, why don't you just draw or whatever and get better at it?

>>18705419
ADHD is some bullshit invented by normies

>>18703117
I was like you op except I have artistic talent and people read my stories and think I'm smart and cool.