/lit/ - Literature

>>18732995
By stop posting youtubers and start reading a book

>>18732995
>haven't read a book since high school.
Neither have I, and I have an English Literature degree

>>18732995
Read Bertrand Russell's Problems of Philosophy, then read pic.

William James
Sextus Empiricus
Nietzsche
Then whatever else you want.

Start with the greeks?

>>18732995
Read Schopenhauer and then you're done.

>>18732995
if you try to go straight into philosophy after having read nothing for over 5 years, you're going to hate it, give up, and read nothing at all. start by reading light and enjoyable fiction (i.e. vonnegut/steinbeck) and work your way up to someone like dosto. after 10-15 fiction novels you should have some semblance of an attention span to begin tackling proper philosophical works. as always, start with the greeks.

>>18733225
read How to Read a Book

>>18733026
skip the anglo cringe

you already know what time it is

>>18732995
What interests you in philosophy? Without knowing if its politics, ethics, cogsci, metaphysics or metrology, all anyone can really say is "start with the greeks".

>>18733290
God damn its so based, i love looking, Werewolf feet.

>>18733298
I wanna into critical thinking

>>18733298
I want to ass fuck her large intestine into her throat

>>18733317
You just need to read a lot. Honestly your probably fucked for a while if you have stopped reading for many years... critical thinking isn't a theory you can follow...

>>18732995
>i-i-i cant r-read :(
Another one of these threads?
Here OP, I have a solution, just open the fucking philosophy book, look at the first word, then the next word, then the next one, and go like that you fucking toddler. Havent you consider doing that yet?

>>18733388
this thread isn't actually about philosophy, retard

Post the YouTube comment

>>18733415
What does this say, faggot?

>>18733531
oh wow you're literally retarded

>>18733285
kys

>>18732995
Ignore every single post on this thread and get yourself a textbook. That is how it is done in 2021.

Gordon Marino's Essential Philosophy is pretty good.

Stick to the Greeks and then some of the moderns that talk about more every-day stuff. Other than that, honestly you just gotta get out into life and ask people these questions yourself. That's how this thing started with Socrates anyway - guy just went out and kept asking everyone these questions.

Good luck anon.

>>18732995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDcM4ZXtfY

>>18732995
I've been on this board since 2013, literally never watched a single video by this chick. Why on Earth do you guys like her so much?

>>18733594
I watched two, and I also don't understand, she has literally nothing to do with /lit/.

>>18733317
Aristotle. Just take a look and decide for yourself, but its probably what youre looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5O3vXj9eU

>>18732995
unironically the greeks like Plato, it's how i started and philosophy books were the first "real" books i read.

>>18732995

Understanding logic is essential. Read Plato and Socrates and the like. Move up from greek phil to more modern western and eastern phil. One thing to keep in mind is to not be swayed by anyone until you feel like you can see the full picture. I don't know how many times my own worldview has been changed by a new book or philosopher. Just don't grasp onto anything and keep your mind open. Bruce Lee has a degree in philosophy. Keep that in mind. Otherwise... audio books can be helpful if you'd rather do that.

>>18733601
I guess it's cuz she's small and cute but not so cute that she seems unattainable.

>>18732995
Start with Descartes, Hobbes and Rousseau then go back and read the Greeks.

>>18733640
So what? What is the problem with pornhub?

>>18733648
I started with Descartes, philosophy podcasts, Rand, Textbook. I recommend starting with Descartes if you are somewhat 'allergic to bs'. The Greeks are full of shit. I like them, but some people have to prepare mentally before engaging them.

>>18733648
>then go back and read Aristotle

Fixed. Oherwise you want OP to be a faggot.

>>18733669
A bit too late for that.

>>18733656

I think the greeks are important if only for their ability to utilize logic to make anything make sense, even if that logic is really stretched. I think that greek phil can contribute to further understanding of basic logic and its operators. I have a degree in Philosophy so I might be biased.

>>18733751
I was studying physics back when I started reading Descartes. And I was already familiar with computer programming and started studying lambda calculus and haskell. Maybe that helped. You are probably right.

>>18733651
porn is for sluts / sex
cute YouTube girl is for romantically pining for

>>18734138
Why do you care about her like that? Just create a social media profile and find a real girl next to you?

>>18733627
Genuinely curious what Bruce Lee has to do with this

>>18732995
The only philosophy worth anything is stoicism as it is based in nature, anything else is self-absorbed jewish bullshit that is only brought about and validated by post-modernity.

>>18734286
Keep that in mind.

>>18733627
>audio books can be helpful if you'd rather do that
it really depends, some audiobooks I feel like I got nothing out of them, others were very engaging. fiding good recordings at the right pacing are essential imo

>>18734312
Taoism is Chinese Stoicism though.

>>18734312
t. brainlet
Stoicism is literally Christianism 0.1

>>18732995
You dont philosophy its vanity and foolishness for ancient pedos. Believe on the Lord Jesus and then read Bible

>>18733333
Go to bed you corrupt coomer

>>18733333
based /lit/ quintessential coomer

>>18733648
>Descartes
Which book?

>>18735203
I'm >>18733656
And I started reading discourse de la methode, but you can probably get right into meditations too if you feel like it. He is a pretty clear and straightforward writer. I haven't read all his stuff, but I'm sure all of it is approachable. Meditations seem to be a great start, I haven't really read all of it, but you won't have much trouble considering the fragments that I've read.

>>18735210
Thanks. What translation?

>>18735218
I know French, but he doesn't really complicate his writings (I used it to learn, it was the third French book that I got into), so I don't think they differ that much. But you should wait for the other anon if you are going to buy it.

>>18735153
>Living in harmony and balance with the world around you, being the objective priority.
How is that similar to the suppression of the self? Rejecting post-modernism?
>>18735158
>Suppression of your own desires for a greater good
>Greater good is subjective, being anything from one's own family and well being, your own future prospects and ambitions, or even fufilling a vendetta, the list goes on.
Try again retard.

>>18733026
Not OP but should I start with Edith Hamilton's Mythology ?

>>18733290
Fuck are those actually hers? Fuck
Also is it hers or her's?
I dont get it desu

>>18733026
>read Russell first
>read Russell at all
Fuck you cunt. Don't do this OP start with the greeks

>>18735493
fuck off you stupid fucking coomer.

i like philosophy as long as it's logic/mathematics/physic related.
that shit is boring as shit. puts me to sleep

>>18735519
Why, what's wrong with uRssel?

>>18735525

as long as it's not*

brainfart

>>18735527
Cringe and bluepilled

In all seriousness recommending him to start off with is not a very good idea IMO.

>>18734312

>based in nature

nature sucks, so i don't how that makes stoicism valuable. i think stoicism is nonsensical based on all the books i have read on the subject

stoicism was founded by some rich black asshole

>Zeno is described as a haggard, dark-skinned person,[8] living a spare, ascetic life[9] despite his wealth.

i wonder why hoteps don't claim him as one of their own

>>18735554

stoicism was just a rich person's attempt to live like diogenes without giving up his wealth

it's basically a moderate form of cynicism founded by a rich ass named zeno

>>18732995
Read The Dream of Reason followed by The Dream of Enlightenment

>>18732995
Don't listen to the people saying start woth the Greeks. More often than not they haven't read them and are just spreading a meme. And if you do you might just end up getting bored and giving up. There is truth behind he meme though, the Greeks are foundational to Western philosophy. So I'd suggest you read A New History of Western Philosophy by Anthony Kenny. It's a good overview of Western Philosophy and gives you an idea of the breadth and development of western philosophical thought from the Greeks to the present day. But this is just a starting point you can use to explore ideas and thinkers that you're interested in and you can find further sources for reading right there in the book. You'll also have context for the ideas which is just as important as the ideas themselves.

>>18732995

you should read a book that deals with the history of philosophy

>>18735549
Nature is extremely cruel and unforgiving, this challenge demands that any creature in the animal kingdom make hard choices for not just their survival and well-being, but of their flock and even species as well. Equate this concept to human beings and you get the same results, albeit varied in what societal struggle they undergo. This ultimately will require the suppression of owns own urges and desires to ensure that they survive and thrive in the nuances of what their "greater good" is, which is, as I listed earlier:
>Achieving an ideal
>Establishing a foothold financially
>Starting a family
>Etc
It is a philosophy grounded in reality, one that everyone has to face eventually.
>>18735554
>>18735564
And yet it has evolved and changed while the core principle remains the same, as for the "dirt" on Zeno himself, do some research into how often Greek Philosophers flung shit at eachoither.

Take their merit by the beliefs they held and how well they apply to and your inevitable place in nature.

>>18735284
>Try again retard.
Christianity 0.1. There is literally nothing on that shit that you can't learn using Christianity. Because Christians ripped off all the good parts.

>>18735705
Are you a stoicuck?
>It is a philosophy grounded in reality, one that everyone has to face eventually.
If it is that great, why wasn't every philosopher a Stoic?

>>18735878
Thats why Aristotle and Kant is they way of life, thats basically Judaism in a nutshell.

>>18736159
Basically this, they ripped off most things that are worth it. People are better secularizing religion than engaging in those ancient practices.

>>18735705
Nature is neutral you cuck

>>18735974
>If it is that great, why wasn't every philosopher a Stoic?
Pic related.
It is a good start as OP was looking for, no need to get so asshurt at the concept of denying your greater impulses
>>18736610
Define neutral then?
>Hurr apathy!
I swear to christ.

>>18737629

>>18732995
read some of those "oxford's pretty short introduction to" ---or whatever they're called

>>18732995
Start with the pajeets.

>>18737629
A decent start to Philosophy? FFS, OP is definitely better getting a textbook than reading Epictetus, Seneca and Marcus Aurelius bs. This is the kind of thing that OP will read and think that Philosophy is some bs to 'how to live a good life', but it turns that a good life is living like a retard. At least take the Butterfly pill and shill the Epicureans if you are going to tell people to take the retard "start with the wrong Greeks" route.

>>18737834
And I mean Epicurus, because his shit is fucking 4 pages and that is basically it.

>>18733265
This, plus check out philosophize this podcast.
Good luck anon.
Also if you can’t read a book because you are getting distracted and or you can’t remember what you just read. I would recommend writing down lyrics from your favorite bands, and starting with small articles, children’s books, etc.

>>18733290
i want to lick her soles clean

>>18737870
Seconding Philosophize This. I'm >>18733656.

>>18735493
her sister also has nice ones

>>18737877
same honestly

>>18732995
If you speak/read frog this is a good intro.

>>18738069
France doesn't have high school, anon. It's lycee. I think, not exactly sure.

>>18732995
You don't.

>>18733290
>>18738038
Holy fuck, I'm so hard. I want them to make out on top of me while they stuff their perfect rosy feet into my mouth

>>18740033
haha that's so gross

>>18740039
>that hand placement
>that perfect round tush
>those legs encircling
HNNNNNNG, do you think they...?

>>18740134
it's just sex, anon, jeez haha

>>18733333
Nice quints

>>18732995
>how do I get into philosophy?
>haven't read a book since high school.
You're almost there. All that's left for you to do is start speaking your mind.

>>18740033
based

start here nooooO00o0oWw •.•

>>18740134
its clear that they do (eat each others assholios.)

>>18740033
someone describe this scenario in good prose and make it a copypasta please

>>18740141
Haha just sex... between two qt pies... mashing muffs... hot breath on each other's necks... just sex... holding each other throughout the night... hard nipples, slick, probing fingers... soft lips pressed desperately together... Just sex! Have that all the time haha, nothing to write home about, just a union of minds and bodies in delirious, soul-enriching pleasure haha

>>18733290
What's her name? Sauce on videos where she shows feet?

>>18740493
sasha grey

>>18740493
custom book review purchased by a thirsty trustafarian pajeet

fuckinmg cvoomerrs get ton pornhub or some other shir

>>18733152
This

>>18740498
She does customs? I would spend some dough to have her show a little skin. She could review Moby Dick in a wet sailor moon outfit

>>18733651
What are you talking about? Are you asking why not just rub one out while viewing porn instead of watching her videos?

>>18740372
Yeah lets read books instead!

>>18733290
That's clearly her bed... it looks like she's not wearing clothes, does she really do nude modeling on the side?

>>18740231
AHAHAHAHAH this is bait right?

>>18738083
No, its Collège for 11-14, and Lycée for 15-18.
But Grondin is French-Canadian, where they have Primary, Secondary and then Cegep.
And I have no fucking clue how that relates...

>>18740518
No, I don't care about what you are watching, but ffs, just get on with it. People can't post a fucking photo of a women and anons turn into fucking retards. I'm saying porn, because that is what it is supposed to work. Works better than some random video about a book.

>>18733290
>>18738038
Just busted a FATT NUTT to these pics, thanks bros

>>18734435

Lol, I was high when I wrote that. Read his books. Interesting guy.

>>18735435
I've been enjoying it. Im about 1/3rd through and the amount of references I'm realizing I've missed over time is astounding

>>18740837
Keep pumping bidenbros

>>18735600
>A New History of Western Philosophy by Anthony Kenny
Out of all the answers I feel this is the best one. I have a brought a hardcover of this book. Thank you.

>>18740820
I don't watch porn or her videos man.

>>18740231
based

>>18735435
Yes it's a very good place to start that gets rec'd for a reason

how does one philosophise feet

>>18733152
What is this image depicting exactly?

>>18741641
Schoppy

has anyone on /lit/ ever actually read a book? please be honest

>>18741532
-Like this: If the 'is' is said of the foot, which is and the foot of the beinghood that's foot, but the beinghood and the foot are not the same, and rather are said of that which we hypothesized - namely, of the foot which is -, then isn't it necessary that a foot which is be itself the whole, and that the foot and the being come into being as pieces of this? Then will we call each of these two pieces only a piece, or must the piece itself be called a piece of the whole? It's a whole, whatever is 'foot', and has a piece. What then? Does each of these pieces of the foot that is, the foot and being, lack something? Does the foot lack the piece that's the being or being the piece that's the foot? And so, again, each of the pieces holds fast to the foot and being, and the very least piece comes to consist, in turn, of two pieces, and according to this post, it is always this way.

>>18740966
Enjoy yourself. Some concepts are a little hard to grasp at first so there's no shame in re-reading sections and sentences. If things still don't make sense, push on and a switch might flick that makes things you've read make sense retroactively. And never feel shame if you don't understand things at first. It's part of the learning process and you're honestly doing more learning than a good 80% of this board

>>18741650
I used to sing a song about reading a book (you know which), does that count?

Quality of booktuber threads corresponds to the quality of booktubers themselves.

>>18738038
please tell me someone has a backup of that video somewhere, on some chink website youtube ripoff

the first thing you need is a question. There is no philosophy without a question. Find the question bevore you find the book

>>18733152
Schlopenhauer

>>18740627
Come on guys I really need to know

>>18740033
they/thier pronouns? really faggot? are we so gone no one even noticed this faggotry?
fucking stop. get some help.

>>18743395
He's referring to two different girls.

>>18732995
Start by getting used to reading of books. Usually science fiction is the best genre for that, but you've really got to find something you enjoy a lot and make reading your own. Usually from small to larger books is the best, but your enjoyment is fundamental. All those
>/lit/starter kit
or whatever are highly reccomended

Some will say you must read
>How to Read a Book, by Mortimer Adler
I disagree. First, because all you need you need to know is summarised on the wiki, for free, even more so on the Portuguese one. Second because he's one of (((them))).
Then start reading philosophy books. Chronologically.
Start with the Greeks (some big memester is going to tell your to start with the Phoenicians, Mesopotamians or even Egyptians. If you really want that, you oughtn't read more than one book. The Epic of Gilgamesh is pretty cool). Read, once again, from short to long, from easy to hard, from what you enjoy the most for whatever you can bare (never what you are not enjoying at all). First the Pre-Socratics (to know were they are coming from) and then Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Also: you must read at least one of their historians, and by that I mean you must read Herodotus and Homer, in between.

tl;dr:
>start with the greeks
images are right

Then just repeat with the same mindset with the Romans and Europa during it's Catholic era, focusing on everything "Saint".

>again, whatever is on the related image guide.

If you read all this you might read the Bible, if you haven't already because you became a Christian . If you didn't, you'll probably enjoy whatever comes after.

It's basically a rebellious teen phase, full of angst and wordplay, one trying to top the other in by writing hard and and by being the unintelligible possible.

All but Camus. Camus is pretty cool.

It's all downhill from that.

>>18732995
>>18743752
Oh, I forgot to add: when you read whatever makes you feel in a certain way, be a strong emotion, you found it interesting or even something you can't really describe:

>1. Underline it on the book it self (buy paper-books, don't read on kindles... unless you really must to, it's better than not reading at all, but let it be the newest one that emulates paper... but, really, fuck any other one).
>2. Write it down (don't be lazy) what you underlined, in a notebook you'll always keep to yourself (so write in order it know you'll read later, never losing that notebook).
>3. THEN write how you felt (or at least try)/ what you think about that/ the thought that came to you.

You must do that at the very same day you read whatever you underlined, NOT the day after, NOT staying up late at night (sleep as a any normal person, at night, 8 hours), ESPECIALLY NEVER THE DAY AFTER HAVING SLEPT. Also, never listen to anything you understand (as in, a the language it's sang on; this is kind complicated if you are a talented musician). Most snobs recommend background low volume classical music. I like jazz.

Now, if you want to write after you read for the day or if you want to
>Underline -> Write -> Go back to reading -> repeat
It's whatever works for you in order for you to read AND understand what you read, always achieving for more.
IF "pausing' is fucking your reading, don't pause, just do it after you finished you reading session for the day.

>>18743395
>they/thier pronouns? really faggot? are we so gone no one even noticed this faggotry? fucking stop. get some help.
Imagine being this retarded and obsessed. You need to stop watching youtube, not everything is your stupid political spectacle for you to constantly seethe at

>>18733152
Legendary image

>>18735160
>>18735160
any good books on understanding gender fluidity?

>>18744830

>>18733152
*schop schop schop*

>>18733152
kek at Nietzsche

>>18732995
The story of philosophy by Brian macgee might be a good choice for you, it's not too long, easy to understand, and spends 5 pages or less on all the major philosophers (with color pictures, too!)
>>18733152
This made me laugh harder than I have in weeks