/lit/ - Literature

>>18742827
shut up, retard.

>>18742827
I always did but reading this confirmed it

>>18742827
It's basically astrology for men and over-educated women.

>>18742852
>>18742862
Cringe uneducated/pol/ degree retards.

>>18742827
You can get graduate-level psych textbooks, anon. Why not...read one? If you're after a specific theorist, Skinner's work is very accessible and still very relevant (ABA therapies, especially with lower-functioning ASD pts, for example).
>>18742852
You do realize that Wundt wasn't Jewish, right?

>>18742852
>>18742862
Basado

>>18742873
Freud was and most of his club too. In the book he's even quoted saying one of the reasons for including Jung was for fear of psychoanalysis to be seen as too jewish.
>>18742869
Seethe, tranny

>>18742869
>be 18742869
>read a pop-psychology article online
>muh rich understanding of mankind
>meet a person
>"omg he's a sOcioPATH!"
>meet another person
>"omg he's a vulnerable narcissist!"
>end up on /lit/
>thinks he's a sophisticate
>but really just a judgmental asshole

Have you ever read anything written by Freud?

Read more

when i learned about lucid dreaming

After going to therapy

>>18742827
>He thinks there's a distinction inbetween 'science' and 'pseudoscience'
/lit/ fags, don't ever change, you always make me laugh

>>18743133
The distinction is the ability to reliably make accurate predictions
Gib proofs

>>18743137
>The distinction is the ability to reliably make accurate predictions
no

>>18743137
Read Hume you dumb nigger.

>>18742827
>When did I realize that the disease of psychoanalysis is to psychology roughly what Hester Prynne's scarlet letter is to psychology generally.
Some time in the mid 70s, though it wasn't till much later that I understood how accurately Shakespeare practiced it as an art in his better plays & Sonnets.

>>18743185
>mid 70s
>Shakespeare
How can you be so old and so fucking stupid?

>>18743169
>>18743162
I'm entirely right and you know it on some level, there is no science whatsoever without accurate predictions. Hume is completely fucking irrelevant to whether your model gives you useful predictions

>>18743196
No, you're fucking stupid. Placing the value or 'essence' of science on prediction is fucking stupid and Hume shows you why it's fucking stupid. No worthwhile scientist would agree with you, dumb nigger.

>>18743190
You're not yet ready for Introspection 101, so I won't elaborate.

>>18743218
The likelihood of you actually having read Hume is vanishingly small. Please, regale us with your wiki-skims.

>>18743133
There is though, the first is that which is supported by the establishment and the second not necessarily

>>18743218
Why is f=ma science? Because it makes accurate predictions. That is quite literally the only way to test science

>>18742827
No, it's Freudoscience

Psychoanalysis is closer to philosophy than modern psychology

>>18742827
my mom told me

>>18743305
True, because they both build their arguements in man made fictional terms. Throw in a bunch of buzzwords, flex your useless titles from academia and plebs will be amazed by your deep knowledge and understanding of human nature. This is a yikes for based me.

Unfortunately, during my psychology bachelor's degree.

>>18743169
I induce that you are a dumb faggot with a shit take on Hume. Skepticism as defeat to knowledge doesnt give you a free pass to go on unrigorous nonsense and get the same credit as successful builders and doers to working model ideas.

>>18743358
Tell me more

>>18742827
When my Dad who got >>18743358
one of these retard medals started throwing embarassing boomer tantrums
>>18742852
Based

>>18743370
Franz Boaz wrong about everything
Theres a youtube video called Culture of Critique for Normies that explains

>>18742827
I'm from one of the two countries in the world that take this garbage seriously.
It's evident to anyone that isn't a midwit. Popper (with all his shortfalls) completely ravaged it by pointing out its true colours: circular thinking wrapped in schizoblabber.

>>18742827
Life is a pseudoscience.

>>18743238
This

>>18743385
Yes I've seen it (and read the book), I meant your experience. Did you quit? Did you try to go against the establishment?

>>18743370
Psychology is suffering the worst of the replication crisis, that was the final straw for me but mostly we learned that we actually don't know much at all about anything to do with the mind/brain.

>>18743481
Interesting. How do the professors etc deal with this?

>>18742827
>I am unhappy because [facts]
>You have wrong brain chemicals, take these pills
>But can you tell me why these things are wrong?
>Stop being so suspicious, we are here to help, take the pills
>But the things I have mentioned have objective, factual reasons why they happened, I am stuck in this unhappy state in my life for a reason, see I did this but this other thing happened, then I thought about it and I realized it was because this other thing got in the way. Then I tried this other thing and this happened, but I couldn't change it because of this obstacle, real obstacles, things that are there, how can I be imagining that these things are just a change of mindset away, I don't want to change my entire personality and what I like and dislike and what I think is a good goal in life-
>If you take the pills you will be able to change your life anon, take the pills
>OK I'll take the fucking pills
I took the fucking pills for 2 years
>So are you improving?
>I feel no emotions at all and I cannot do any of the things I used to do before on top of zero improvements in my life, and I still don't have an answer to the issues I mentioned befo-
>How about even more pills?
>Fuck you

>>18743519
Pretty accurate

>>18742827
It's all pseudoscience, but Freud is cringe pseudoscience and Jung is based pseudoscience.

>>18743519
This was major depression btw. The future prospects, the lack of a community, the lack of purpose, the lack of trust in others, the lack of companionship, all in my head. Meanwhile if you have "gender dysphoria" (not an illness unlike depression) it's right that everyone else should accommodate for your world view to make you comfortable

>>18743519
>>18743547
Cool story, Peterson. Try this:
>you're actually a whack cunt with an underlying ASD Dx, maybe overshadowed by a sibling. You're posting to a forum in a silly attempt to rationalize and justify noncompliance with medication you refuse(d) to understand. Maybe on Focalin or Vyvanse if ADHD, Provera if sexually maladaptive. Haldol or Zyprexa if actually a Schizoaffective adult. But most likely you actually took an SSRI or anxiolytic: Prozac, Zoloft or Lexapro.
How close am I, Champ? You need(ed) outpatient therapy to stabilize your mood (assuming you were suicidal).

>>18743615
t. Martin Shkreli

>>18743629
kek

>>18742827
I always had my doubts that his theory was bullshit, but I couldn't really say why until I read and took a course on Franz Brentano, his philosophy teacher, who had already tried then to dissuade him from it and explained why his entire psychology was untenable (essentially, he is using a purely representational framework and reifies it against the essential meaning of that framework. An unrepresented representation has no value, cannot affect cognition in any way, and is a pure contradiction in terms)

>>18743615
I think all these drugs are sold by companies owned by, well...you know

>>18743827

>>18743456
For me, Zoomer master race, racial consciousness is default from the sheer hatred I was dumped on before I was done being a toddler. I have never been able to fathom the painful abyss of racially blind low resolution normie bliss. My whole life from earliest memories has been owning the libs including my glass skull dandy libtarded parents. Being so retarded that I would daily confuse friend and enemy by what would be intuitive expectations meant every single day of my life has been everyone I have ever known letting me down with their misplaced affections and hostilities except for BC AntiChristian writers and modern dissidents. Come to find out I have to go back to pre Charlemagne Europe to find Europeans expressing in writing what I think off the cuff, well this experience was painful. Every other expression I have ever uttered has been forced paraphrasing of what I believe coercive adults wont bother me. Charlemagne though he was KING of EUROPE was not literate. I was literate and learned corporate logos before the alphabet. I called bullshit on everything all the time because I just smelled it alone on this Earth until I used the internet to find like minds. Every Anon I met had some transformative experience. I am just built in. Everyone since then has cucked to normie falsehoods and not challenged nor imagined anything to contrary. It is shocking to find out every day you might as well be a time traveler or from another planet where we simply dont pretend so much. Vastly geographic and temporal this gap is but in information it is a brief universal rebuke of all kikery known and unknown. So everytime anyone speaks I detect idiolect and ponder the geneaology of their morals/ideas. It wasnt until I binged the Unabomber show on Netflix and read Henry Ford's TIJ and read a lot of Nietzsche that I had words to place my instincts. "Fuck kikes" I said at 3 years old. The Nanny state USA literally calls the cops on you if you hurt a Goyim's feelings. The police only incriminate and the goyim are waiting to hear master call for "insane" and "extremist" labels. This obvious stronghold itself was the only red flag I needed to impress upon me the fear of our perilous times.

>>18744022
TL;DR
>be me learning how to speak
>baby's first redpills
>but Little Anon you're wrong you're supposed to say these bluepills
>but theyre bluepills!
>no! Why do you say that?! Its what our people believed for thousands of years
>cry
>read
>cry more
>look at a map
>cry
>look at the time
>cry
>agreeable people are extinct where and when I am
>cry
>use internet to stop crying and now habe frens

>>18744066
>googoo gaga gib milkie mommy, baby formula is an effeminizing industry run by the jews googoo
I'm sure that's how it went

>>18744087
It was more like wow Pinnochio! Wow! Hey that guy looks like the big fat merchant from Pinnochio! And several forgotten traumatic experiences involving hostile invasive species where I could never express any grievance but to records and writings of authors shared.

Fun fact : the suicide rate in America has not fluctuated since the fifties when they started recording it. Therapy, anti-depressants, has not had a single measurable affect.
The biggest drop was when car exhausts were changed to be less dangerous, so you couldn't do the hosepipe in the window trick
The biggest drop in the suicide rate in the UK was achieved by altering the chemical mixture of household gas so people couldn't use it for suicide.

>>18744150
from what I read on similar studies it seemed that after some common lethal means was removed the rate would go down briefly and also the worst peoples lives were in a constant sense the suicide rate was stable.
Therapy and all that can help well being though if you have BPD or anything else that can be treated but most therapy requires you to be an NPC and program yourself to be optimistic when it makes no sense to.

>>18742827
never

>>18742827
>psychology
>is pseudoscience?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coddling_of_the_American_Mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_Gigerenzer#Books

Which one? Social? Cognitive? It's not.

>>18743218
Isn't that exactly what Hume says?

>>18744233
>can help well being
Exactly, a nebulous concept. We know obstetric medicine works because we can observe the decline in still births, maternal fatality rates and so on. No such hard data exists for therapy, its all
>they came to the clinic, then they stopped coming to clinic, so they must be better
>we gave them a test, then coached them on a test, and they did better at the end of the coaching than at the beginning, so they are better

>>18743519
Exactly this.

>>18743547
Gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness. The point of transitioning is to alleviate it.

>>18744320
>Gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness.
So were repressed repressed memories and multiple personalities disorder. Until people started "remembering" grotesque Satanic orgies, and it became obvious that shrinks merely made people confabulate false memories.

>The point of transitioning is to alleviate it.
Its a iatrogenic disease.

>>18744378
It causes duress to a large degree so is mental illness retard.
imagine thinking being a troon isnt lordy lordy

>>18744412
>It causes duress to a large degree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias

Making people think that "not wearing cute dresses" causes duress, is what causes that duress.

>>18744412
>being a troon
Being a troon means:
1) self-castration and infertility
2) decrease of IQ and spatial memory
3) for biological males: bone brittleness, high cholesterol and breast cancer, etc
4) for biological females: vaginal atrophy, agonisingly painful uterine cramps, higher risks of cardiovascular problems, including high blood pressure, heart attacks and stroke, dementia in later life, liver problems, diabetes and joint problems

This "alleviation" via transitioning is much worse, than "illness" itself.

>>18743133

>>18744573
bingo

>>18744573
delete this now

>>18743615
Diagnosis was never changed from depression, it was SSRIs and other shit but none of what you listed. Considering that SSRIs is what you get for depression you're way off the mark.

>>18742852
>Written by an evolutionary psychologist

>>18743519
If this is the case, either go to a therapist instead of a psychiatrist, or since you seem to know what the problem is, fix it yourself.

>>18746017
anon, I'm going to be honest with you, I'm curious, but you really could just flat out open yourself instead of
>facts
>things
>obstacles
>issues
at least here is free

>>18744022
You ought to try and put a little more effort into articulating yourself. You sound like a very agitated schizo spewing word salad.

>>18742827
When i realized i shit from my eyes