/lit/ - Literature

>>18746441
I buy from Amazon because my IRL libraries only sell Harry Potter

>>18746441
Wanting to colonize outer space isn't in itself dumb, it is just completely unfeasible right now and will likely remain so.

>>18746456
>library
>sell
you are getting scammed by the government, friend

>>18746467
brain fart. bookstore

Buy books from people who want to colonize the Moon, not castrate you and make your kids gay.

>>18746441
I think there are better reasons not to buy from Amazon than that.

>>18746474
but anon. they're the same people.

>>18746441


IT IS INCONGRUOUS TO LIVE IN SOCIETY IF YOU ARE AN ANARCHIST; ALL SOCIETIES ARE HIERARCHICAL, EVEN ANIMAL ONES; ANARCHISTS ARE LOWER THAN ANIMALS: BESTIAL.

>>18746441
Until we find aliens, comparing the settlement of outer space to colonization is idiotic.

>>18746474
Moon colonization cannot be accomplished if society turns into a cannibalistic snuff orgy. It cannot either be accomplished with a majority white population, as we have overpriced ourselves .

>>18746496
Wtf CUMGENIVS is based for once?

I support lunar colonization.

>>18746474
absolutely filtered

>>18746441
Get in touch with your local things. Here where I am there are dozens of places where you can get free books or cheap (1-3$) books.

Colonizing the moon kinda based tho

>>18746496
Read Kropotkin
Also
*hide post*

>>18746592
Read actual anthropologists, retard

I will buy books from whoever has the books I want to buy. If I go to your store and you don't have the title I want don't complain when I buy it on the internet.

>>18746597
>y-you can't read two things!
*hide post*

>>18746592


STOP BEING AN ANARCHIST.

>>18746441
unironically steal a kindle and use libgen

hey so uhh Can We get a discussion going on the best sources in obtaining literature? Nonfiction in particular.
>Abebooks, Bookdepository owned by amazon
is all that's left Ebay? And who is to say that what's being sold isn't directly bought from amazon?

>>18746441
Wtf I love Amazon now

a true anarchist wouldn't buy books. they would either get them from dumpsters or from people throwing them out or they would download them from libgen and singlelogin and gutenberg

they would try to be as anti-consumerist as possible as not to benefit the capitalist system

>>18746642
>hey so uhh Can We get a discussion going on the best sources in obtaining literature? Nonfiction in particular.
Do you have some specific requests?
Because personally my tactic is to go in random 2nd hand shops and get what catches my curiosity

>>18746668
>"a true ___"
Shut the fuck up, pleb.

>>18746668
is using capitalist internet tech true to anarchist principles?

>>18746496
Basado.

>>18746441
I hate Amazon, but it's still better than most "independent" bookstores. Hideously overpriced, overcurated, obnoxious atmosphere, etc. The people who run these places are all petty tyrants, if they had Bezos' money they'd be trying to take over the moon too.
>>18746642
Ebay can be good. Brick and mortar used bookstores are the best, but the quality can vary. In my experience the best places to find nonfiction are stores near college campuses where professors and students offload books they don't need anymore. You have to embrace the scavenger mentality. Don't write off goodwill, recycling centers, or even dumpsters.

>>18746682

not all anarchists are anti-consumerists but i think the anti-capitalist ones should be if they hate capitalism

i am not an anarchist. i am a frugal anti-consumerist
i think the state is necessary to enforce human rights that come from a social contract (such as a constitution). natural rights are non-sense

>>18746713
>not all anarchists are anti-consumerists
??

>>18746441
>go to a local book store
>"hey do you have anything by Shelley?"
>"no, sorry, we must have sold out"
>"anything by Edna St. Vincent Millay?"
>"nope, never heard of her"
>"ANY french poets???"
>"idk check the poetry section over there"
>it's all trash compilations and literary analysis plus some shit penguin editions
fuck them they deserve to go bankrupt

>>18746441
>BUY
>BOOKS
Yar har har

>>18746632
STOP BEING RETARDED

>>18746441
The only bookstore in my town sells Christian books and the nearest small city is an hour away. So ordering and downloading online is the only way I can own good books

i am a frugal anti-consumerist capitalist

i am for free markets but i don't buy shit. if i can get something for free i choose free rather than buy it

>>18746734
Shut the fuck up autist. If this is a used bookstore, they sell donations. When was the last time you saw someone donating Edna fucking Millay? This problem is doubly compounded if you live in a non-literary town, which is 90% of america.

>>18746767
kill yourself twice, dog

>>18746496
Imagine thinking anarchism is against all hierarchies

>>18746441
>Go into local bookstore (not a used one mind you)
>Overpriced
>Everything is the latest in leftist dogshit propaganda about white people or michelle obama
>Never has what Im looking for.
Until they change their practices and priorities they deserve to fade away. I believe, however, used book shops will still continue to fill a comfy niche.

Just steal books from your local Barnes&Nobles or whatever

>>18746795
>leftist propaganda about michelle obama
kek
Do not ever dare step foot in any book-containing premise, ever.

>>18746456
This, most bookstores sell crap. Except one near me that seems to specialize in older books.

>>18746441
All this bruhaha about colonizing the moon just really drills in how much modern Marxists are a bunch of passive aggressive whiners who just hater success.
I mean putting a man into space used to be considered something positive. How anyone could look at that and fucking complain is beyond me.

>>18746441
just use thriftbooks or abebooks

>>18746919
>modern Marxists
Name them

>>18747029
Adam Friedland

>>18747029
The whole writing staff at Jacobin.

>>18746441
Is he implying Amazon doesn't want to sell books?

>>18746474
and who would that be? I don't get it

>>18746919
Exactly. Their attitude would be, "No Nikita, you should direct money away from cosmonauts and towards welfare for comrades of colour who are too traumatized to work!"

>>18746919
I truly don't get it. There are no natives on the moon who would be oppressed if we moved in.

>yfw the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE gang is now rabidly anti-space colonization because it involves colonization

>>18747467
>>18747472
It was communists who first got into space. Now its communists beating their feet because "nuh huh if anyone has the money to go to space they should be in gulag instead". Just regurgitated slave morality and resentment at this point.

>>18746441
The entirety of my economic life is in Amazon. I am funding space jews so we can sodomize Martians

>>18747029
Sniffles Zizek
Boiney Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Joe Biden
Xi Jing Ping Pong Pengis Khan

...

>>18746767
>Donated

What part of Iowa are you from?

>>18746441
>anarchist
You mispelled college antifa. If so, start doing good for your community by getting a proper job and stop burning mom-and-pop shops to dunk on the man and serve politicians that would use you as sandbags before doing anything you want from them.

>>18746592
>Read

>>18746592
I'm reading it. When does it start to become actually based? It is just communist balderdash

>>18746467
Imagine if a librarian was scamming people into purchasing the books.

>>18747584
Cringe

>>18747584
>antifa
You misspelled undercover FBI pig

>>18746441
Anarchism is the war of all against all; there is no morality when it comes to anarchism

>>18746441
Anarchists were based when they were Nietzche and were robbing banks and shooting US presidents. Nowadays they're just a decedent form of communism

>>18747584
>proper job
you mean slavery to jewish internationalist cartels? no thanks sweaty

>>18747689
Cool it down with the anti-semitic remarks.

>>18746496
Finally he made a good post

minimum wage at amazon is $15 an hour, ax that bookseller how much they pay their employees

>>18747810
$15 an hour for an unskilled laborer is too much desu

>>18746467
My library has a used book section, which sells all books for $1. No joke, I purchased Infinite Jest at that low low price.

>>18746795
Any straight white male author needs to print their own shit because unless you tow the globohomo narrative 100%, you're never, ever going to get published by an industry being ball-crushed by fat blue haired feminists who chant BLM on the weekends and open their speeches at writer's fests by making land acknowledgements and claiming they are for decolonization.

Fuck the mainstream publishing world, it is EXTREMELY pozzed.

>>18747869
In this economy? No.
And what’s unskilled? You get hired, you acquire a skill or get let go. Stupid categorization

>>18746441
amazon is the biggest fucking scam in the world. Its probably at least 10 dollars for one fucking book. Go to a fucking book sale at a library or something, you can get 3 bags of books for the same price. You are all fucking idiots go fuck yourself thank you and goodnight

>>18747869
In this economy, are you kidding?

>>18746441

Both clauses are atomically ethically wrong in themselves. It is wrong to do business with Amazon, and it is wrong to be an anarchist. The interesting puzzle that the OP has set us, given this foundation, is the conditional situation of whether it is wrong for an anarchist to do business with Amazon. At a glance it would seem that the answer is yes, it is wrong, based on the negative characteristics of each atomic situation. But let us investigate further and try, by God's help, to see if there are facets of the question which might be answered differently.

The cases divide as follows: 1) whether by buying from Amazon, the anarchist might make some good or happy outcome take place, and; 2) whether, ignoring all other considerations, the anarchist himself might find it somehow useful or good to buy from Amazon, which is most likely the sense that the OP really meant.

1) It might be objected that in buying from Amazon, the anarchist happens upon beneficial literature, or is corrected of his errors. I ANSWER: that however this necessarily entails the act of buying from Amazon itself, known to be wrong. So the anarchist buying from Amazon is wrong.

2) It might be objected that the anarchist's point of view ought to be considered for its own sake, as an intellectual exercise, and that his moral dilemma is worthy of consideration. But this is vacuous: we already know that it is wrong to buy from Amazon, just as it is wrong to be an anarchist, so the question of whether a sincere anarchist is right, from his point of view, in buying from Amazon is void.

HENCE WE CONCLUDE that the conditional situation, whether it is wrong for an anarchist to buy from Amazon, is always the case: it is indeed wrong of him, though not for the reasons he may imagine.

>>18746441
>go to hpb
>ask if they have a book
>they don't but say they can get it from another store
>"ok"
>get book

Amazon may be evil but at least they're efficient, I despise small businesses, they're incompetent but just as evil, and what's worse is they expect me to treat them like a charity. Some faggot shill from a dairy farm nearby came to my door recently and asked me if I wanted to support local business, I told him no.

>>18748391
>Some faggot shill from a dairy farm nearby came to my door recently and asked me if I wanted to support local business, I told him no.
Horrifically based

>>18748391
stupefyingly based take. every small business I know is run by a spawn of satan boomer working his/her employees in sweatshop conditions

>>18748422
same here I switched to buying online the second it became available
shopkeepers here act like they're doing you a favor when they greet you
local businesses would have stayed somewhat afloat for a longer time if they raised prices but acted humanely, people are loyal to a shop if you treat them well

>>18748428
also there's this general air of annoyance when you ask them to be the very least helpful or knowledgeable about the shit they're selling. If you ask a bookseller if they have some normie book they are excited to fetch it from the pile of 2000 copies of 50 shades but if you ask for literally anything vaguely off the beaten path they look at you cross-eyes and mildly annoyed, you can read it on your face that they'd much rather you ask for the shit they have 2000 copies of
vast majority of shopkeepers have 0 understanding or interest for what they sell

>>18746441
I don't buy books
t. ereader master race

>>18746441
But I do want to colonize space.

>>18748428
>>18748439
Are you Americans? Here small businesses are enthusiastic when they sell books.

>>18746441
In the modern world money is God, and Bezos is his prophet

>>18747900
how does one get into printing their own books?

>>18748595
You just find a printing press near you and pay them money to print and bind your book.

>>18748595
I do it and it is about 2k in equipment once you know exactly what steps are required.

Cost per book is about $1

I'm just figuring out how to launch the book while I further tweak the prose

>>18748634
very cool, is the equipment big? I imagine there's going to be different sizes based on price and what not.

>>18746441
Amazon is undesirable to both trad-right and any leftist. To the trad-right, amazon is the main instigator of globohomo and killing small businessowners as well as local culture. For the leftist, it's the prime example of inhuman capitalism.

I buy my books from second-hand book stores, local sellers and charity shops. Just yesterday I found Stendhal's Red and Black, a collection of Guy de Maupassant, Diderot's Fatalist, Wuthering Heights, Pride and Prejudice, as well as a couple of other classics. All in all, I got 10 books, really nice hardcovers, for the equivalent of 20 USD. And the profits from it (the books were donated) go towards charity in my local community. Everyone wins, no faggotry involved.

>>18746474
>not castrate you and make your kids gay.
So capitalist producers? Thought it's not so much that they want it, just that it is a by-product of their hunt for profit, and that they do not care about externalities unless the state makes them care through punishment. The reason men are turning feminine and infertile is xenoestrogens in pesticides and plastics, in conjunction with right-wing opposition to environmental regulation for the past 80 years. Yes, I will die on that hill: the right and the pursuit of profit in conjunction is the direct and indisputable efficient cause of people turning tranny. Xenoestrogens is the material cause. Fuck the right, they are all whores of mammon, and any talk of traditional values is an unfathomably cringy LARP.

You'd have to be a real special kind of retard if you think that masculinity has an essential and immutable nature (right-wing thought), but that this can be suppressed by Adorno writing words on a page or whatever retarded sludge that passes for a coherent thought on the modern right. You don't want to become a tranny because you've read Adorno, you want to become a tranny because environmental poisons have already given you testosterone levels of an 120 year old man and that in terms of your endocrine system, this means you're already closer to a woman than a man.

Indeed, the manner in which the modern right thinks of this shows them to be the greatest social constructionists of all time, much more radical than Foucault or Butler or whoever else usually gets that charge thrown at them. Imaginne being so much of a social constructionist that you think you can turn gay from watching "degenerate" youtube videos or reading verboten words on a page.

>>18748634
stfu & stop samefagging you fucking moron

>>18746795
I, too, have made the exact same experience when entering any book shop. They are packed to the brim with leftist braincancer. This is because the leftist worldview is based on bullshit and they need a constant influx of new bullshit to reinforce their weak and unreal viewpoint on everything. Imagine a house built with pure dogshit, the dogshit will dry and crumble rather quickly, so a leftist gedankengebilde must constantly be reinforced by new creamy and fresh dogshit. If supply is slowing down the building will crumble and soon collapse simply by the weight of reality.
And thats also why leftists cannot tolerate any opposing viewpoints, their entire worldview is so fragile any non-mentally ill take will torpedo their mental house of shit like a mini 9/11.

>>18747677
>t. IR student

>>18748391
based

>>18748725
This fragility is also the reason they see white supremacy in every little thing, their their worldview is so weak and fragile that anything not aligned with their views is such a threat it will be rendered completely out of proportion. Not becauae the threat is really so huge but because they are so hypersensitive. Its mental illness, media induced mental illness. The poor souls.

>>18746795
>>18748725
Used bookstores are very comfy.

>>18746441
It is irrational and a proof of financial impertinence to buy anything from Amazon regardless of your political views. Working conditions at Amazon are horrendous, yet the more people buy shit there, the more workers they will need to fuel the consoomer behaviour.
Further, their business methods are questionable at best. They sell certain things at a loss or below a reasonable market price to kill off any kind of competition and gain a monopoly. And if you ever took even a single lesson on economics you know that monopolies are not good for you or anybody, only for the monopolists.

>>18746734
Just ask them if they can order stuff based on the ISBN you retard.

>>18747584
Ancaps and hardcore lolbertarians are also anarchists you enormous retard

>>18747904
Unskilled implies you do not need previous experience or knowledge and can be learnt within a very short amount of time. An apprenticeship or higher education needs at least months, sometimes even years to actually get good and have an in depth understanding of the matter. If you just have to pick up a box, put a stamp on it and then put it somewhere else that is something everyone can do.
Also the fact that you believe that $15 are worth equally much in the entire united states let alone internationally shows how inapt you are on financial matters and creatures like you are a great argument against democracy with votes for everybody.

>>18748391
>I despise small businesses, they're incompetent but just as evil
Doesn't matter. A small business can be coerced into not doing completely retarded shit, amazon is the one doing the coersion because of their power and influence.

>>18748428
>shopkeepers
Not all small businesses are shops. Shops are just middle men that are getting more obsolete slowly but steadily. Middle men are always cancer, but Amazon is little more than a middle man who has too much information about you than is healthy for society.

>>18746441
Listen, do you want Space Anarchy or not?

>>18746441
Long live Amazon (Amazon, Bookdepository, Abebooks).

>>18746467
Maybe he's a native spanish speaker.
Librería = Bookstore
Biblioteca = Library

>>18746441
I pirate books now. If I must buy one then I shall buy it from some university press, those are the only places where you can find good non fiction books. Physical bookstores are full of pop history and pop science crap for the most part although you can still find some gems.

>>18748473
>>Are you Americans?
no but my country is completely cucked by the USA so there's a pattern here

>>18748861
>Just ask them if they can order stuff based on the ISBN you retard.
aren't they supposed to tell me if they can do that? after all my questions?
You know what amazon would do if they had a service that would be useful to me? put a huge fucking banner in my face so I'd know about it

>so many people mentioning apebooks
That is worse than everything else

>>18747317
I remember when Amaz*n wanted to sell books, that time is long gone

>>18747523
>>18747528
Absolute brainlet, do not ever talk about this subject again
>>18747568
China has an extensive space project, you absolute ignoramus

>>18747601
>It is just communist
*sigh*

i don't use read actual books or use an ereader
i read the ebooks on my laptop

i own an ereader but also never use it

>>18746441
Try to find better ways, It's also nice to have local independent bookstores and communities around these.

>>18748725
>Biden is left wing

>>18746496
I applause you for finally making an argument/a full sentence with accompaniment that isn't just a statement. But you are still wrong, the anarchist problem with hierarchy is more nuanced and therefore your argument is strawmanning.

>>18748861
>Ancaps and hardcore lolbertarians are also huge fucking LARPing hypocrites, you enormous retard
FTFY

>>18749196
>oh, look at how technology is beautiful, how much food this tractor can make, it can feed a city with 10.000s of people!
>everyone who's willing to have one should have one and give the fruits of his labour to everyone, that's just natural!
That's literally textbook communist drivel. I was expecting something based, not one more quotebook for pandering to bored burgeoise children to do nothing to do with what is preached and join their antifa chapter instead

>>18746668
We're at the stage of capitalism where corporations hire people with guns to guard the dumpsters. I'm not even joking.

>>18746919
>Create a punishing system of high demands on workers forcing them to pee in bottles and poop in bags to meet those demands or lose their jobs
>The profits go to propping up a middle age man's mid life crisis while doing nothing to actually advance the interests of humanity whatsoever
And don't even get me started on the mass amounts of brand new product they dump in landfills because of a calculation of shelf space usage.

>>18746441
>picture
Does anyone have that one picture of a nigress asking mo' money for dem programs?

>>18748861
I work in a restaurant and I can assure you almost everyone we hire is mostly useless the first couple months

>>18746734
>>18746795
You forgot the coffee shop that takes the better portion of the whole store. It's hard to blame them though, their leftist propaganda and self-help isn't selling so money must come from somewhere else.

>>18746474
Castration is based. Butters castrated me three years ago and lets me around on a leash to this day. I'm so grateful for her. I've never been this in love in my life.

>>18746441
No. Why would it be?

>>18746441
Ah, that local bookshop propaganda is the same across the whole planet. I support the cause, but it's still a bit too cringe-worthy and weak.

The truth is, of course, that decent bookshop filters the “free market” on behalf of its clients. I have to choose from philosophy, fiction, poetry, not self-help pop-sci, confessions of instagram stars, or those 5 books everyone and their dog read this year. Chain stores and web stores need to sell you anything, and sell more to everyone, it doesn't matter what. People go there, notice the best seller stand with a new book by some TV host, buy it, next year they buy another book by another TV host, then again and again until they die, as ignorant as they have always been.

However, “we make you less dumb” is not a fashionable slogan these days, so bookshops have to invent some other lukewarm reasoning.

>>18746441
Colonizing the Moon sound neat.

>>18746441
I buy from both. I've had enough bad experiences with Amazon to only buy what I can't from a book store. Sure it's cheap but too often it come very very late or damaged. I'm still pissed my Icelandic music cd came with the case broken. A book cam with the cover ripped that was new when I bought it. They just aren't careful around here.

>>18752700
This is true. I only buy paperbacks from Amazon, and even then I expect them to arrive with bent pages and dents.

>>18746767
90% is an incredibly conservative estimate.

>>18746441
>Is it wrong to buy __________ if you’re an anarchist?
Yes.

Just get a Kobo, then use LibGen and Z-Library.

>>18746474
Based

>>18749215
Socially yes.

>>18746441
I refuse to believe you don't live somewhere with a local independent bookshop. I live in a country that's more rural than urban and have access to a local bookshop that actually sells good lit - classics, local stuff, modern lit etc.

Yes, unless it's essential.

>>18755601
What country

>>18746441
I just wish the major retailers, all of whom had much more power, sway, and money than any of these tech companies initially, had just taken steps to stay relevant. It blows my mind that barnes and Nobles let Amazon completely take the online market. Just like it blows my mind that Blockbuster let Netflix stay around when they could have bought the whole company for a ridiculously low price comparatively.

>>18752700
That's weird every book I ordered from Amazon came in pristine conditions. There was a brief time when goods would ship damaged all the time, the delivery guys would throw the package on the ground carelessly or not deliver shit by pretending you weren't home. They only hire white people now.

>>18746441
Bookstore propaganda

>>18746441
ancomms are the biggest corporate bootlickers I've ever seen. No one loves and defends the megacorp as much as a communist, not even neoliberals.

>>18746441
Colonizing the moon sounds like a better goal than selling books.

>>18746474
Sorry anon, my kids are already gay (they got it from me)

>>18746441
You can't "be" an anarchist. You can't embody the spirit of anarchism or any other ideology wtf

>>18751510
Here waiter can be an actual profession/apprenticeship of 3 or so years, and is not always unskilled labour. But if you are a literal bio robot stacking shit in a warehouse that is not necessary.

>>18749868
Every anarchist who doesn't life in Afghanistan or other failed states is a hypocrite tbf, regardless of other political views.

>>18751454
Where does that happen? Sounds like a cozy job ngl.

>>18755804
Did you rape them?

>>18747890
Based

Both Amazon and indie bookstores are cancer. You must get redpilled on totes bag carriers.

>>18755773
It's literally retarded it's like trying to build a city in Mariana's trench. Why would you purposely go somewhere where people aren't supposed to live when there's already so much sparsely populated arable land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5w2QwdYik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaA5p4cFRrE

>>18746496

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point.

>>18757413
>You are a bad person
This kindergarten-level of "arguing" is revolting when it comes from supposed adults.

>>18755601
Depends on the country I guess. Here 70% of people don't read a single book a year.

>>18746500
You are the idiot. A colony is simply a settlement in a different area, where the inhabitants remain ties with their parent civilization/country. There doesn't have to savages around. Iceland was uninhabited before Norwegians colonised it.

I haven't bought a book in three years since I bought my kindle.

>>18755648
It's just a fact that the top executives at many companies are not very smart or creative.

>>18757413
All local indy bookstores are completely woke with BLM and fag flags everywhere.

>>18759114
local bookstore literally sells anything but books, meaning harry potter, candy, fucking power cables, i cant wait till daddy amazon puts them all out of their misery

>>18746441
>noooo colonizing the moon is heckin immoral
>what about the natives of Moon?

>>18759196
that's not a bookstore, that's a barnes and noble. You should try powell's or the last bookstore

>>18759196
>>18759438
there are two bookshops in my city, one is like this, basically a gift shop for women, the other is an actual small bookstore and it sells the latest pop hit by usually a non writer, and the usual bunch of classics in economy paperback. both are pointless.

>>18746441
>>18746462
>>18746474
>>18746500
>>18746518
>>18746588
>>18746708
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>>18747472
>>18759404
The moon is plasma, it can't be colonized.