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So two of my good friends got stabbed today (in the hospital right now), because they sell a lot of blow and their house was broken into by some kids who wanted all the cocaine/money..i was shocked, but honestly my first thought was ''shit I've got to write about this''..what is wrong with me?

>> No.1893499

>dealers with shit security get stabbed
>shocked

>> No.1893502

Why would you want to write about that? Seems fairly dull. Cliche even.

>> No.1893525

That kind of story can sell a lot to stupid people who think drugs and violence are the only thing that can give you adrenaline situations.

Anyway, if you feel it, write it.

>> No.1893532

>>1893502
Cliche..yeah i'm sure it happens to you all the time :]
>>1893525
Yeah I really have an ear for that kind of thing..i like these kind of books, but only the ones with artistic pretenses (burroughs, bataille, genet, rimbaud, etc.) >>1893499
Yeah I wasn't shocked as in..this was not a conceivable possibility..i was shocked because my friends were stabbed and are in the hospital..autist

>> No.1893534

Somebody's been reading too much Bret Easton Ellis.

>> No.1893542

>>1893532

>Cliche..yeah i'm sure it happens to you all the time :]

No, it's just something you see in TV and film all the time.

>> No.1893543

>>1893534
I've never read him..seriously it's way more like Genet..the girl who is a cocaine dealer is a girl but she is also a drag queen..the house was owned by a guy who is just a sexual predator in the gay bars..and my other drag queen friend lives there..everyone is very broke..even the drug dealer girl because who sells drugs to for anything but more drugs?

>> No.1893546

>>1893532
>>1893532

>yyeah i'm sure it happens to you all the time :]
do you know what cliche means?

>> No.1893547

>>1893542
Well don't watch so much t.v. or so many films..live life again

>> No.1893558

>what is wrong with me?

You're not writing because you have anything worth saying but because you want to be special and paid attention to. You're a social climber, not an artist.

>> No.1893562

>>1893547
>>1893547

that doesn't stop it from being a cliché thing to write about either

>> No.1893573

>>1893558

Nice sentence, sometimes i think lot of people (including me) want to write and don't even know about what, and you have just ressumed it for me.

I want to have something to say, something real, that helps people and me (not a self help book).

>> No.1893574

>>1893558
wow cool assumptions about my intentions bro
>>1893562
cliché says more about the person to whom it is cliché than it does about reality in general..fucking jaded, t.v. numbskulls...and 4channers who think CP is nothing to think twice about..it's relative...get out of the basement and knowing someone personally who got stabbed over cocaine will not be so cliché

>> No.1893584

>>1893532

>Cliche..yeah i'm sure it happens to you all the time :]

Dude! You know what you should write about?! Okay. Okay. Here's what you should write about, okay? There're these people in these machines, right? And these machines FLY. Yeah, they FLY and they don't actually have any WINGS. They're, like... flying plates, these ships. Yeah, and the thing is... they're from ANOTHER PLANET! Oh my god! Yeah, they're like... from Mars! Mars, and they come here, and they want to take over. Yeah, you should write about that, according to your logic. I mean, that's NEVER happened, you know? So it can't be cliched.

>> No.1893587

>>1893584
Your comparison is flawed..there is a difference between what happened to me (which obviously does happen in real life, but is very uncommon) and what you are talking about which never happens in real life, but has happened a few times in story-telling. Seriously, you kids need to live a little for fuck sake.

>> No.1893595

>>1893587

>Seriously, you kids need to live a little for fuck sake.

What does that have to do with anything?

>> No.1893599

>>1893574

It's important to you because it happened to someone you know and you're shielded from how common it is. Talk to the police, the ER staff. Shit happens all the time. If you were thinking about what you had to contribute to anything here, you wouldn't be worried about it.

I'm not saying people who know people this happens to in real life shouldn't be concerned about the people they know that it happens to--just that it's not interesting to everyone just because it's interesting to you. You should be concerned about your friend's welfare--not how you can parlay this into hobby fuel.

>>1893587

Read crime drama--read crime drama and stop writing

>> No.1893601

>>1893574
>>1893574

no it will be cliche to write about it, because it's been done in several different mediums over and over again so now it's boring.

>> No.1893608

>>1893601
citations?
>>1893599
Has it happened to you? Do you know anything about it that doesn't come from derivative sources? >>1893595
The fact that you even ask yourself that question is why you should seriously leave your parents house

>> No.1893616

Would have been a better story if it had been Brownbear who was stabbed. It would be a longshot to get people to believe he had two friends, though.

(extra credit if wound is mortal)

>> No.1893619

>>1893608
>>1893608

we're not saying that you shouldn't care about your friends or that what happened isn't bad, we're just saying it's cliche in literature. fucking get over it and stop getting so butthurt

>> No.1893622

>>1893616
Brownbear will get stabbed in my story. I don't know his real names so i'll call him Dennis Jenkins..as that is the stupidest name i can come up with at the moment. The story is underway..it's all going to be serious, poetic, oozing with love for the characters who i love in real life and also brownbear gets stabbed and dies and shits his pants in death and everyone laughs and i listen to alex chilton records and eat valiums HOORAY

>> No.1893634

>>1893608

>Has it happened to you? Do you know anything about it that doesn't come from derivative sources?

I'm sorry, you're right. Do it up, bro. The world's waiting to hear YOUR take on it. Only you know the real truth about something that happened to one of your friends, you pompous ass.

>> No.1893638

>>1893634
Seriously, are you afraid of being unoriginal? Because if you are..read The Unnamable by Beckett and see how stupid this idea is when taken to its absurd (logical) ends.

>> No.1893645

If OP writes anything about this, he should write about seeing his supposed friends' misfortunes as opportunity to promote himself--something he might actually have some real experience with.

>> No.1893650

>>1893645
Haha I will! That is what i meant in the first place with ''what is wrong with me''..i know to write about the tragedies of close friends is kind of crossing the line, but i can't help but want to..

>> No.1893651

>>1893638

>I wallow in my own banality

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>>1893651
>i use the word banality because i read it in a translation of a french book that i skimmed over once in barnes and noble

>> No.1893666

>>1893650

Fictionalize the shit out of it. Take things it made you think about and attach it to some other shit. Add something about, like, solipsism and nihilism and the inanimate, unconscious, unfeeling, arbitrary, socially constructed text having moral priority over living, breathing, conscious beings capable of suffering in fuck-ups' respective worthless excuses for minds.

>> No.1893672

>>1893666

oh hai DFW

>> No.1893675

>>1893666
oh god Im going to do the hell out of what you are saying (nice trips btw) Seriously, do people think I would take this shocking event from my life and just put it down to paper like it was? Hell no! I'm going to introduce so many irrational contingencies that the story becomes almost unbearable to the human consciousness. fuck yeah

>> No.1893685

LOL, your two good friends were young amateurs, and they probably didn't have "a lot of blow" because anyone who really has a LOT OF BLOW is probably guarding it with at least one coked-up trigger-happy thug armed with a machine gun who never sleeps.

>> No.1893688

>>1893685
No that is stereotypical..all the major coke dealers i know are either jovial mexican guys or drag queens and none of them use ''security''..maybe at the supplier level this is common..but my friends carry a couple of keys at all times..it's a lot of blow..

>> No.1893697

oh look another story about rich college kids who do coke and owe coke dealers money

sure never read this before in almost every brett easton ellis story ever written

>> No.1893699

>>1893685

Look out for Mr. Street Smart! I bet you've seen Scarface, Blow AND Goodfellas!

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>>1893688

A couple of keys is not a lot of blow. I know you may THINK its a lot of blow, but I can assure you, its not.

THIS is a lot of blow. All of it will fit in an apartment. Even an efficiency.

>> No.1893705

>>1893702
You're talking about supplier level, and boy I know you've never seen anything close to keys so why do you act like some kind of tony montana? I know it isn't an extreme amount but a few kilos is quite a lot in terms of street dealers (especially since they keep around at least 2, not to mention all that they sling constantly) and it does seem like a whole fucking lot to someone who enjoys cocaine..

>> No.1893709

>>1893697
this

fuck off OP

>> No.1893716

>>1893697
>implying any of us are rich
all of us, that i know of grew up on the east side of the city which is the most impoverished area. you just can't accept that people actually live somewhat close to the t.v. shows you watch but we actually LIVE it while you neckbeards just fap to it..get out of the basement faggot and stop projecting your suburban white guilt onto people you don't even know

>> No.1893722

>>1893716
Fucker, I was born in the USSR. I'm from the school of hard nox. You don't got shit on me.

>> No.1893725

>>1893722
>born in the USSR
get off of here you are so OLD..get a life already.

>> No.1893728 [DELETED] 

>>1893722

>I was born in the USSR

white nigger incoming

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>>1893705

True enough. Depends on who you are though. Take Tommy Lee for example: fucking crazy, and I'd expect to find at least a key in his apartment at any given time.

Maybe your friends were just imitating their favorite celebrities without thinking it all the way through. They don't have millions of dollars to spend on body guards and other shit to keep their supply safe.

>> No.1893734

>>1893725
I'm only 27? What are you, twelve?

I grew up with a shitload of angry pissed off North Koreans staring at me from their border crossing.

Amurika ain't shit. You want some serious squallor? Go to Russia.

One of my first memories was seriously having a kalishnikov rifle pointed in my fucking face as a joke. Hahaha, funny joke.

Have you ever even seen a gun? Unlikely, comrade.

>> No.1893737

>>1893702

Two Kilos of chang is worth about 80-100,000 Euros where I live, more if you step on it. That's enough to get killed over, but I don't believe OP's 'friends' had that much in the place.

And the story would be pretty tedious, I think. As has been said by others, there's not a lot of material in it, and stories about lowlives getting shanked are ten-a-penny.

>> No.1893745

>>1893734

I've killed 4 people.

You were saying, cream puff?

>> No.1893750

>>1893745
I don't believe you, lying dog. Call of Duty doesn't count.

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>>1893745

>> No.1893754

Soviets? On my /lit/?

>> No.1893758

>>1893685

OP, write a morality tale about punctuality and what happens when the coked-up trigger-happy thug armed with a machine gun who never sleeps is late.

>> No.1893760

Besides being cliché or OP being a rich kid or whatever you want to say. May be we should give him a chance to write his story, may be it'll turn out to be an amazing and original story.

But never mind, keep arguing, i'd like the discussion so far.

>> No.1893763

>>1893758
Titled: "Guido Loses a Few Fingers"

>> No.1893765

>>1893754
I'm not a Soviet, or a communist. I just was born in a country where that was the ruling political ideology at the time.

>> No.1893767

>>1893726
Yeah this is kind of very true..not impersonating celebrities like tommy lee..but drag queen celebrities..but yeah..totally irresponsible about it
>>1893734
I've had a loaded gun in my face 3 times for robbery and once because my girlfriend was mad..you think the USA doesn't have guns? Don't get me wrong..Russia is way scarier than anything that i can imagine..you fuckers have that krokodil shit...anyway, i'm not even trying to be scarier than Russia..but the USSR ended more than 25 years ago didn't it? I mean, you were only in the USSR until you were 2 or 3?
>>1893737
No the story is very rich..these characters are the most flamboyant characters i know..i was just questioning why the first thought that came to me when my friends were in danger for their lives is how i would write about it? Basically I'm saying writing is kind of a sick hobby..it's made me a little detached.

>> No.1893768

>>1893750

who gives a damn what you believe, little girl. I'm a contract killer, men who would give you a lifetime of night terrors urinate in their silk pants when I enter their offices unannounced.

>> No.1893769

>>1893745

well /lit/ has certainly taken a dark turn of late...

>> No.1893771

>>1893765

all russians are pussies

>> No.1893775

>>1893767

You're ok OP, and wanting to write about the incident isn't wrong, it's good to have a cool head and can write about anything.

>> No.1893776

>>1893767
Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. I was seven/eight when it collapsed. They say by the time you're seven you've already lived through your formative years.

And I could literally see North Korea from my house.

Scary shit bro.

>> No.1893783

>>1893771
>says the silly american from the comfort of his suburban household.

Anyways, I dare you to go up to Stalin or Putin's face and call him a pussy. See what happens.

>> No.1893791

>>1893775
Cool..I was just wondering if it would seem a little insensitive..but honestly, I will talk to the people involved before I really commit to writing it..I mean I make zines and I publish them myself...so what I write gets distributed in the social circle that these kids are in..so in a way it's more complicated than i suggested in my OP
>>1893776
Motherfucker, you should write something, because I would read absolutely ANYTHING first hand from that region..i get a few news stories here and there and they are all crazy as hell..to hear something from a first-hand witness..really..just write your life story and it would be something worth reading.

>> No.1893794

>>1893768

contract killers? In my /lit/?

Somebod should call the FBI, get them to track this guy down, we could get the reward for capturing Carlos the Jackal,

>> No.1893795

>>1893783

>Stalin

I think I can guess what would happen if I called him a pussy - not much on account of him being dead and not speaking English anyway.

>> No.1893798

>>1893783


I have beat both Stalin and Putin in hand-to-hand combat already, not to mention Ivan Drago, but nice fucking try, dipshit.

Also who gives a fuck about North Korea, what are you, Sarah Palin? A bunch of impoverished slants who suck at soccer, I could fuck up the whole country vs. me, one-on-one.

>> No.1893802

>>1893791
Hmm. Not a bad idea. Never thought of that before. I'm not a very good writer, but it would be good non-fiction. I've got some stories that could curl a few people's hair.

>> No.1893806

>>1893798
North Korea is going to have ICBMs in a few weeks. Enjoy the dear leaders holy fire, little American boy.

Let me tell you, they might not look scary from afar. But if you've ever seen the borders, or the DMZ up close, you will know, they have a fierceness in their eyes, like an arctic wolf.

>> No.1893807

What's it going to be called, OP?

The Day Robbie and Tim Got Shanked

?

>> No.1893811

>>1893802
Do it! It wouldn't have to be very ''serious'' writing..just write what you know..shit that's what i do..anyway, I really think there is a real information gap between russia and the rest of the world now..we hear things like 3 guys 1 hammer and the drug that eats flesh and chernobyl and that's about it..Russia is still a mystery..and from what i hear it is a scary fucking place sometimes..so..it should be written about..try to get it published in english though.

>> No.1893816

>>1893807
there names are Bella and Steve..but..I don't know..I think I'll call it ''dig for fire'' like the song by pixies because that is what i was listening to when i got the text message.

>> No.1893819

>>1893816
their* i mean

>> No.1893822

>>1893811

>drug that eats flesh

excuse me?

>> No.1893823

>>1893822
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html

>> No.1893826

>>1893823
>>1893822
>>1893811
i saw that shit on /tg/ last week and my blood curdled, it was watching someone with nurgles rot moving around. fucking scary and disgusting and completely killed my guro fetish.

>> No.1893830

>>1893826
I would totally use krokodil..the fact that it rots my flesh only makes it more appealing..heroin junky op here..

>> No.1893831

>>1893811
Yes, English. I don't speak very good Russian anymore, anyways.

To be honest, lots of things were kept even from the Soviet people's. They didn't want anyone to find out the stuff they had. It's frightening, because when the Union collapsed, many dangerous experiments and technologies were forgotten about, and we're rediscovering them now, twenty years later.

The West seems to be very fascinated with the fallen empire. Many russians are as well.

But I have many vivid memories. Sometimes the USSR could be beautiful. There was a sense of teamwork. and comradery. Everyone was your brother. Not like here. Here it is all "you're on your own" buddy.

But it was tough times. Economically, the worst times of the Soviet Union.

I guess it could make an interesting book. Thank you for the suggestion. I will think on it.

>> No.1893835

>>1893806

I'm an American, I don't care who has what or what their eyes look like. I am better than them and they will lose. Period. Get it through your oversized Red skull, I superior to you and I will destroy you

>> No.1893844

>>1893831
fucker i would BUY a book written about that if it wasn't shit like most of the last years of the USSR books are. make it good and it WILL sell. i like reading about it after being bros with some russians that were like the russian mafia addams family. the stories they told me about shit were crazy.

>> No.1893846

>>1893831
Yeah I am definitely fascinated with that aspect of the USSR..the big idea of ''brotherhood'' and ''comrades'' i think is the one of the best ideas from the human race..unfortunately..it didn't work out so well i guess..

>> No.1893853

>>1893835
Summary: USA USA USA

>> No.1893861

>>1893846
Da. The whole cold war thing kind of ruined that. But there's still a few communist nations. It's not like they've been obliterated, like the nazis were.

Cuba springs to mind. In the Soviet Union, we always thought highly of our Cuban comrades.

It was a good idea, and for many years it was good while it lasted. But it also, like any society, had drawbacks.

(for example See: yezhovshchina)

>> No.1893868

>>1893806

I'm glad I live in Atlanta. Nobody cares about Atlanta enough to bomb it, we're basically an airport that also sells shitty cola.

>> No.1893876

>>1893861
I think it was just ahead of its time..the Russians are like that...intellectually..seriously..Dostoyevsky>Nietzsche>Sartre...The russians had Existentialism fleshed out decades before the french and the Germans like Nietzsche only imitated with that distinctive German tendency to turn everything intelligent into how big you think your dick is...seriously...anyway...hopefully Communism will be embraced sooner rather than later.

>> No.1893877

>>1893853

Edgy reply, kiddo. Stars and Bars, all day.

>> No.1893878

>>1893868
Georgia is a nice state.

>> No.1893881

>>1893823

Fucking hell - that's insane, but I can't believe that H costs 20-60 pounds per hit in Russia - it's like a fiver in Europe.

>> No.1893896

>>1893881
Well that's kind of the problem..the Russian gov't cracked down on the import of H and ran the prices up..krokodil is made from OTC codeine pills so it's cheaper for junkies..it would be safer and better if the russians just let a lot of clean, cheap heroin come into the country...

>> No.1893899

>>1893876
Mhm. Some of the smartest people in history have been Russian. Some of the warmest people, too. The fires in the hearts must keep them warm through the harsh winters.

Part of me does sort of hope for a new soviet union. Maybe that's just my childhood political brainwashing.

If it does happen, let's hope Gorbachev doesn't fuck it up again. I think it would work out better now. The US seems to have gotten over the whole 'capitalism pwns ur ism' thing.

>> No.1893901

>>1893896
Maybe you guys should invade Afghanistan again. We'll let you have it for cheap, barely used.

>> No.1893903

>>1893896
It's not difficult to get heroin into the country even now I'm sure. The golden triangle isn't far from Russia.

>> No.1893907

>>1893901
Remember what happened the last time we went in there? We ended up in a roundabout way causing 9/11 happening to you Americans.

Sorry about that, by the way.

>> No.1893915

>>1893903
Right..they've gone out of their way to keep it from getting in..and krokodil is kind of an unexpected consequence..if they would just reduce the border police and just basically ''let it in'', then the krokodil problem would disappear.
>>1893899
Yeah I think the US has given up on the idea that it could go head to head with another super-power..Russians are pretty great people..i worked on a commune in the middle east and a lot of Russians worked there..they were actually the coolest people and the easiest to get along with..the rest of the europeans who were there were a lot more stuck-up

>> No.1893918

>>1893907

YOU ALSO LOST HALF A MILLION MEN cause you suck at war meanwhile we are burying Sadam at sea in like point two seconds. lol russian pussies

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>>1893918

>sadam

lol

>> No.1893940

>>1893918
Hey, you remember that time we destroyed the nazi army in that small conflict called World War II?

>> No.1893948

>>1893918
YOU'RE ON 4CHAN, TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD YOU ARE AT WAR.

UH, WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT THE MILITARY STRENGTH OF YOUR COUNTRY? MIGHTIEST MILITARY DOESN'T EQUATE TO HIGH LIVING STANDARDS AND WELL, THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER FOR THE COUNTRY'S CITIZENS.

>> No.1893950

>>1893915
Haha. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I like the rest of Europe. I love the French, they're wonderful people, but a little stuck up. Especially Parisians.

I think that's neat that you worked at a commune. You have some good insight into the ways of socialism. How did you like it?

>> No.1893953

>>1893940

all you did was hold your ground in a town in the snow. we boys from the states swept across that continent like nobody's business, kicking Hitler's ass from France to Poland, while kicking down every concentration camp's front door and letting the Jews run free!!

>> No.1893956

>>1893948

don 't make me have to box your oversized ears, capsgirl

>> No.1893958

>>1893953
ANTISEMITISM WAS PRETTY RAMPANT IN RUSSIA TOO, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF EUROPE BRO.

>> No.1893961

>>1893956
TRYING TO LURE ME TO UPLOAD PHOTOS TO PROVE MY EARS AREN'T BIG I SEE.

>> No.1893964

>>1893953
They constructed special concentration camps just for Russians. We were special enough to get that designation, because we're not really white. We're slavic, asiatic, and jewish.

And who the one who made Hitler so scared, that he had to shoot himself?

It was not the Americans. Though, you certainly did a very good job in the Pacific, and Western Front. I will not deny that. I have been to Normandy, and seen all the American, British, Australian, and Canadian dead. A valiant glorious invasion, worthy of much praise.

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>>1893964
Picture is relative.

>> No.1893971

>>1893950
If socialism works like it did on the commune level..it's fucking perfect..unfortunately the problems of being a nation in competition with other nations makes it kind of hard for communism/socialism to work on a big and revolutionary scale...socialism needs someone like Napoleon..not just an emperor but someone who will fight to spread the system across borders..and yeah the french are great people but very stuck up--especially the women...french men are pretty much bros but the women are bitches..germans suck though...and people from the UK are cool unless they are from London..people from london are pure shit.

>> No.1893985

>>1893971
Haha, I agree so much about the London thing. Oh, and Manchester people. Cannot stand the two. Everywhere in England is pretty good though.

I think you're spot on about the whole large scale communism thing. One of the reasons the USSR failed in the end, was because it was such a large landmass. It must have been difficult to govern the whole thing. I'm sure there's a way to do it, but it must've been hard for Lenin, and the other fathers of the revolution.

Cuba seems to be small enough for it to work. They've made a very good go at it. I think they shocked the world. The US expected the embargo to crush them. But they thrived.

>> No.1893989

>>1893985
Yeah absolutely..Cuba is a wonder, but it's so small that it isn't really that hopeful for people like me in US...It would be nice to see a large scale communist revolution actually survive..(it kind of did in the CCCP, but at the same time they were compromising a lot to support their military) I think Trotsky wrote something about how, if Socialism would happen in the USA, it would really change the world..not only that but our country would be perfect for it...

>> No.1894002

>>1893989

If you took it on a state by state basis, socialism could probably work pretty well in the States. The tricky bit would be figuring out what role, if any, the federal government would play.

>> No.1894010

>>1893989
America is certainly moving in the right direction for socialism. There a few people who would like to stand in the way of it, old fogeys who fought in vietnam. Perhaps when they die off we will see a push towards socialism.

Trotsky was a very clever man. I think if he had become the chairman of the party, instead of that murderer Stalin the USSR wouldn't have been looked down upon so much.

And Trotsky would have also been in World War II, as he was a military strategic genius.

>> No.1894021

>>1894010
Trotsky would have definitely made WW2 interesting..not the tactics of Stalin (spamming soldiers with or without guns to the front)..but what Stalin did was what he had to do..which is how I feel about Stalin overall..people like to demonize him..but he brought Russia from a Monarchy/feudal system all the way to Soviet communism in a very short period of time and without the in between period of capitalism..he had to force it and a lot of people died because of that..but really, he did what he had to do. Just my opinion..i know a lot of people died and suffered..but everyone who died was going to die anyway..and the way in which you die is pretty irrelevant in the end.

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>>1893768

>I'm a contract killer

>> No.1894030

>>1894002
that's the thing..a federal government isn't that important to any communist society.ideally, local groups (soviets) would administer the day to day operations of their regions..a federal state is really only necessary if you are in competition with other nations, in the military sense..which the USSR was...ultimately, the military is always just a leach on society--insisting that it they are necessary when really they aren't.

>> No.1894031

>>1894024

That's right. Problem?

>> No.1894037

>>1894021
he would have chessboarded the living fuck out of everything and given the Germans nervous diarrhea. if he would have survived till then he would have been a willy fucker that's for certain. and he did have a reasonably good head on his shoulders for a nutjob.

>> No.1894041

>>1894021
>everyone who died was going to die anyway..and the way in which you die is pretty irrelevant in the end.
>stalin did what he had to do
sociopath detected

>> No.1894042
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1894042

>lfw "Stalin brought Russia from a Monarchy/feudal system all the way to Soviet communism in a very short period of time"

>> No.1894043

>>1894021
Yes, that's true. Those were apocalyptic days. The yezhovshchina was a bit excessive and unnecessary, but he certainly did lead the red army to victory in WWII.

>> No.1894044

>>1894037
Too bad stalin just knew how to make things happen..didn't he have Trotsky assassinated all the way in mexico? Ice-pick to the head iirc.

>> No.1894048

>>1894042
Lenin died before the really hard work had to begin..don't get me wrong..the revolutionary period under Lenin was probably *the* very highest point of communism in the history of the world.

>> No.1894050

>>1894041

no, just a pedantic teen trying to show off. the wankery in this thread is off the charts (except the contract killer guy (which is me))

>> No.1894051

>>1894044
Yep. Sent some NKVD after him. Trotsky pretty much let the guy kill him.

>> No.1894053

>>1894041
really, though, don't you realize how many people that capitalism kills on a daily basis? Capitalism kills, it just doesn't keep count.

>> No.1894054

>>1894044
icepick via beria`s assassin. its a shame too. i have a feeling if he would have survived he would have done well for himself and his country in the war, and impressed the living shit out of U.S. with his ideas, during the depression. he could talk his way into and out of alot of shit.

>> No.1894058

>>1894050
Can you kill my contract with my job for me? They made me sign this stupid sexual harassment thing. I want to get me some sweet co-ed ass goddamnit.

>> No.1894059

>>1894050
Not pedantic, either. Seriously, the way that people play this game like ''communism kills'' how well they forget that capitalism kills..but in this very ''nice way''..oh fuckit go watch Stroszek and maybe you'll see a bit..

>> No.1894060

>>1894048
Lenin was murdered by Beria and Stalin, so he wouldn't be able to backslide into a (more) free market economy.

>> No.1894061

>>1894053
did i say anything about capitalism you stupid cock? no.

if you think killing millions of political dissidents is right under any circumstance, you need to have your head examined.

i'm not gonna sit here and try to debate with your weird ass which economic system is better because i really don't give a shit

this thread is full of dumbs that i thought i left behind in high school

>> No.1894065

>>1894059
So many have died in the proxy wars during the cold war under capitalist rule, drafted in to fight a war they did not believe in, with no clear enemy.

>> No.1894067

>>1894059
you wanna know what kills people? assholes. assholes kill people

not political systems

i don't know who you're talking to that says this retarded shit but you don't need to go repeating it here

>> No.1894076

>>1894061
>implying these economic systems don't play a part in day to day life
>>1894067
most assholes support capitalism..it's true, bro

>> No.1894083

>>1894076
>implying these economic systems don't play a part in day to day life
that wasn't implied anywhere, dumbass. you sure you're replying to the right post?

>most assholes support capitalism..it's true, bro
assholes have supported and will support any political system under the sun which will lead to their personal benefit

>> No.1894089

>>1894083
It just happens that capitalism is the system that works to the greatest benefit of assholes. Not all political and economic systems are equal in enabling assholery.

>> No.1894096

>>1894083
Yup Capitalism just happens to be the best system for assholes that there is.

>> No.1894133

babby's first socio-political convo

>> No.1894153

>>1894133
feel free to contribute something..we honestly don't think you're that cool...yet.

>> No.1894165

>>1894153

I contributed all the contract killer and America fuck yeah stuff about a hundred posts back. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm the only good part of the thread.

>> No.1894232

>>1894165
Really, bro, your posts were pretty weak..troll harder.