/lit/ - Literature

>>18993022
Anyone with above room temperature IQ can easily see that catholicism is riddled with human flaws and quirks, obviously indicating that it was made up by humans. If God were real he would operate nothing like a three dimensional human.

Theology? It’s just an epic poem you autist. You can have a little bit of fun with your religious myths, you know. No one is taking it as revealed truth.
>nooo every religious text must be life-defining scripture, you can’t just mingle scripture with philosophy and poetry

>>18993042
>>18993022
I find the lives of many Catholic saints more interesting than Jesus himself.

>>18993022
>hate
He did not hate Vergil. Stop using zoomerspeak words like "hate."

>>18993022
>the entire limbo
>francesca
>brunetto latini
>pier delle vigne

You haven't read the Divine Comedy

try and inject somme critzizininm into this shadeand all u get is schizo diagonossies.
set up all the way bac to the dark ages.
xtc being history & chalkc being white.
rollswill be rolls MarkA.
church dont settle for purgortory. bels are the only way up. water is soup. confess only when you sin my child. father have mercy on me. docking with superfriend.

if their is a heaven then its in the hearts and minds of joyious folk. subtract from that and your elsewhere.

>>18993022
You’re incorrect.
In the seventh circle of Hell, Dante meets Brunetto Latini, his first teacher and his guardian. Dante mourns that he is in Hell and offers him the highest respect of any sinner in the entire comedy
That’s not even mentioning the many people Dante admired and respected in Limbo, unless you sincerely think Dante hated Virgil and Homer and put them in Hell because he hated them. Or the great legendary figures, such as Ulysses in Canto 26
You have obviously never read the Divine Comedy, one of the most thought-provoking and beautiful works of literature ever. I hope you will read it in full someday

>>18993022
Dante sees many people he likes and/or admires in hell, as you'd know if you'd ever read the thing.

You're closer to the mark the other way round. Is there anyone he *doesn't* like, who's in Heaven (or Purgatory, so on their way to heaven)? Off-hand I can't think of many. Provenzano Salvani is in Purgatory, and he was head of one group of Ghibellines IIRC. Dante was a Guelph so he probably didn't like Salvani much.

in terms of classic /lit/ threads this is my favorite one.
so true

>>18993022
Dante sounds based, he was just bantering a little

>>18993281

>>18993022
Well it is better than Buddhism where everyone you like is in hell.

>>18993322
>Dante was a Guelph so he probably didn't like Salvani much.
By the time of writing the Comedy Dante switched sides, although it has to be noted that this was simply because Ghibellines were willing to provide him some patronage and he saw a chance of getting back to Florence if the Emperor takes back the control over it. So he opportunistically should've put him outside of hell, which he did

>>18993022
>>18993022
Not a theologian

>>everyone I like is in heaven
>>everyone I hate is in hell
>Catholic theology,everyone

But, yeah, basically that's it

>I answer that, Nothing should be denied the blessed that belongs to the perfection of their beatitude. Now everything is known the more for being compared with its contrary, because when contraries are placed beside one another they become more conspicuous. Wherefore in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned.

>>18993506
>But, yeah, basically that's it
Except it's not. People he liked can be in Hell as well.

>>18993066
Which ones? Most of the earliest never existed

>The devil is like, so emotional and misunderstood and stuff
Protestant theology, everyone.

>>18993503
>By the time of writing the Comedy Dante switched sides
Honestly never heard of this, where I can read?

>>18993513
I was answering the "theology part", not the Dante part.

>>18993527
Based, the Devil was the most beautiful angel

>>18993393
you are a fake

>>18993528
>I was answering the "theology part", not the Dante part.
But the theology part is consistent. It's not about likes and hates.

>>18993022
This is what the NPC modern brain reads, a catalogue of condemnations instead of a meditation on the big human questions.

>>18993527
You haven't read Paradise Lost. Milton's devil is a vain unsympathetic dick

>>18993560
Dante was not a theologian anyway. He sure studied the subject, but that's not why he's remembered. Otherwise it would be studied basically by seminarists only.

>>18993042
>If God were real he would operate nothing like a three dimensional human.

But He doesn't. That's why there's a "problem of evil," among other things. That is, it's a problem from the perspective of the human mind. It's not a problem from God's perspective.

>>18993066
you should probably meditate on the sorrowful mysteries more desu

>>18993022
Why do you pretend you've read the Divine Comedy while it's so very clear you haven't ?

NOO DANTE YOU CANT BE SUCH A GOOD PERSON THAT YOU ARE FRIENDS WITH GOOD PEOPLE NOOOO

>>18993527
Based and true

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>>18993022
Based Dante.

>>18993066
So keep worshiping them in hell vile papist.

>>18993514
Cringe

>>18994741
I will never enter a discord that shits up /lit/ threads because of the sheer principle of it, and I do not respect people who encourage such faggotry.

>everyone I like is in heaven
>everyone I hate is in hell

>>18993066
I think this is just because
>Saints' lives feel more like their own stories whereas Jesus' life and stories are embedded in public consciousness to the point of feeling trite
>Saints are chronologically closer to us so we relate more to their times than something earlier
>Jesus was human and suffered as a human, but him also being God makes it easier to see him as less internally conflicted than purely human saints

>>18997061
Honestly I'd love a fiction book that takes place from the perspective of Judas or Pontius Pilate.

>>18993528
>Honestly never heard of this, where I can read
Any decent biopic of it, iirc Burnham gives relatively short, if slightly loaded summary of it in The Machiavellians. Basically Dante was part of a moderate faction of Guelphs who were expelled from Florence by radicals and as he has found patronage among Ghibellines, he started writing some propaganda for them, including "On Monarchy" as well as open letters to the emperor which largely repeated the points of the book, with a plea to come and help his flockkwkdh in Italy.

its way beyond that. Aquinas literally writes that the chief pleasure of Heaven is watching sinners suffer in Hell.

Imagine, you are God. You have seen every miserable thing that has happened to a human being. You want humans, who to you are indistinguishable form ants, to be with you for eternity to watch other ants suffer.

>>18993022
it is only symbolic

>>18993066

why not just study the original pagan mythologies

>>18993066
Based. Which book to read on the lives of saints?

>>18993060
This, plus there were so many based poets on hell

>>18993296
This. Also, Dante pretty openly recognized parallels between the damned and himself.
Very "There but for the grace of God go I."

>>18993022
>Everyone I like is in Heaven
>Everyone I hate is in Hell

>>18997315
There's tons of books about tons of saints, since the number of saints is literally in the thousands.

One of the greatest saint biographies of all time is the Life of Saint Anthony, written by Saint Athanasius. So it's a biography of a saint written by another saint.

Closer to our own time, Chesterton wrote two biographies of Saint Francis of Assisi, on the one hand, and Saint Thomas Aquinas, on the other. Both are very good.

There are of course numerous biographies of really public saints in the 20th Century, like Padre Pio, Mother Teresa, and John Paul II.

And of course some saints wrote their own biographies, like Augustine.

>>18993042
Above normal room temperature, as measured in Kelvin, is extremely high IQ.

>>18993066
That's heresy.

>>18993022
>everyone I like is in heaven
>everyone I hate is in hell

>>18996936
>>18997710
>>18998233
Hive Mind confirmed. Fear us, normies

>>18993120
>Count Ugolino
>Ulysses
>Guido da Montefeltro
>Tegghiaio Aldobrandi

>>18997061
Also, the early church erased Jesus’s life to deify him

>>18993022
That's philosophy in general.
All of ethics is elaborate copes for the fact that might makes right.

>>18999305
>Also, the early church erased Jesus’s life to deify him
>source: ass

My brothers and I used to laugh our asses off about the Wolf of Incontinence. It remains a joke between us today.

>>18994765

MASHALLAH VERY BASED

>>18993527
Name one work of Protestant fiction where Satan is portrayed sympathetically.

>>18997315
Foxe's Book of Martyrs

Why do brainlets think that the Comedia is a literal part of theological Catholic canon? It's just an epic poem that Catholics liked when it was written.

>>18993296
>and Homer and put them in Hell because he hated them. Or the great legendary figures, such as Ulysses in Canto 26
You're right but you picked some of the dumbest examples because Dante hated the Greeks. He was a Trojan all the way.

>>19000862
So much a trojan that his hero virgil basically copied the superior greek epics. And ironically, dante himself imitated Virgil,and in effect imitated the greeks by doing so

>>18993066
An actual good take.

>>18993066
Jesus was a God, you love him and pray to him, but you can't relate to perfection.

>God exists only because he's necessary for human morality
Orthodox theology everyone

>>19001513
Okay retard

he meets his beloved old teacher in hell (who was a faggot). read a book zoomer.

>>18997315
Bernard Ruffin, Padre Pio, The True Story.

Very well written and absolutely fascinating. Ruffin went to great length to interview people regarding some of Pio's more spectacular miracles, and found a good deal of confirmatory evidence. Interestingly, Ruffin is a Lutheran not a Catholic, although it's pretty clear that he is persuaded by the evidence of Pio's various miracles.

>>18996248
Your feelings are not an argument. You have to be 18 to post here.

>>18997082
>fiction book that takes place from the perspective of Pontius Pilate.
Master and Margarita
>a fiction book that takes place from the perspective of Judas
Gospel of Judas? Not sure, didn't read it

>>18997095
I admit I haven't read De Monarchia, but from what I remember from high school, the Emperor is independent but still has to respect the Pope (because God>>>Earth). This does not sound Ghibellin to me.

>>18993022
True, him putting Friedrich into hell, was ridiculous.

>>18997726
>>19002557
>padre pio
>Anyone with experience in forensic medicine, and above all in variety by sores and wounds that self-destructive soldiers were presented during the war, can have no doubt that these were wounds of erosion caused by the use of a caustic substance. The base of the sore and its shape are in every way similar to the sores observed in soldiers who procured them with chemical means.
>Agostino Gemelli, (18 January 1878 – 15 July 1959) was an Italian Franciscan friar,[1] physician and psychologist,[2] who was also the founder and first Rector of Università Cattolica del Sacro Cuore of Milan (Catholic University of the Sacred Heart). He also served as the first President of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (1937)


>>18999766
>source: literally the Gospels

>>19002670
>putting an anti-Catholic atheist into hell is ridiculous

>>19002646
So the simple way, to explain the gist of it is that according to Dante there was a specific time and space in which Jesus came to earth, and that was during the time of Augustus and happened in what relatively could be called world spanning empire. In this way the death of Jesus purified all the people on earth. Thus to make second coming happen Christianity needs a world spanning empire ruled in the image of heaven, with the emperor at the helm, with the Pope being well, the pontifex, the bridge between the heaven and earth being unable to fulfill this function. This was the de facto Ghibelline doctrine.

>>18997733
Bazinga

>>18993022
OP got filtered again

>>18993022
>>everyone I hate is in hell
but this is false, he weeps for Paolo and Francesca very close to the beginning of the Inferno
how did you not know that?

>>18993022
I interpret the Divine Comedy as a 100% accurate depiction of the afterlife.

>>19003118
More accurate than Little Nicky? Preposterous.

>>19002979
Interesting concept, thanks for clarifying.
That said, didn't the Ghibellines claim the right to appoint bishops? Did Dante support that?

>>19002771
You people will jump through any hoop, twist yourself into any number of knots, to explain away evidence of the miraculous. I could shove an actual bleeding Eucharist under your face and you'd still refuse to believe it was real.

>>19002771
That the Vatican canonized this fraud because he was popular with troglodytes has made me somehow even more disgusted with Catholicism.

>>19003478
>You people
???
I'm not a physician and friar sent by the Vatican, what are you talking about?
> I could shove an actual bleeding Eucharist under your face
I would prefer not to, that looks like a gross mold, probably poisonous. Did someone eat that thing?
>It bleeds! I-it's a miracle!
So...you don't believe in transubstantiation if it does not turn red?

>>19003533
Wait until you see his crypt
Yes, that's gold.

Francis refused to go there btw

>>18993022
>everyone I like is in heaven
>everyone I hate is in hell

"Yes"

>>19003533
They canonized him because after his death two miracles were attributed to him and these were confirmed by the Church.

But let me guess, you don't think miracles are real.

>>18993022
The amazing part is that zoomers and pseuds that will never read the comedy will believe this. Excellent bait. Poison the waters and let them rot.
>>18993066
That's not really strange. Jesus can feel a bit distant, the saints were explicitly human, lived very human lives, and are perhaps more grounded in history and time.

>>18993022
It seems to make complete sense that there would only be people I like in my heaven, its suppose to be paradise.

>>18993022
Sounds pretty based

>>18993514
>>19002570
Your asspulls aren't an argument either.

>>19002771
>>source: literally the Gospels
Why do you keep pulling shit out of your ass? Not surprising coming from an atheist, I guess.