/lit/ - Literature

Also Happy Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Reign in our hearts Holy Queen.

>>19010378
You literally cannot dwell in the past "golden age" of Pius X and the Council of Trent because your ecclesiology necessarily demands that you maintain track with the current day. If you don't you're literally in schism.

>>19010454


IT IS NOT «DWELLING IN THE PAST»; IT IS PRESERVATION OF WHAT SHOULD BE; ADAPTATION TO CURRENT MUNDANE REALITY MUST NOT ENTAIL ACRITICAL COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT IS ANTITHETICAL TO CHRISTIANITY MERELY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN NORMALIZED, OR SANCTIONED, NOR SHOULD CATHOLICISM MAKE CONCESSIONS TO THE WORLD, BUT, RATHER, CATHOLIZE IT.

>>19010569
I hate your little tripfag act but if I were you I would go all the way and use Vs instead of Us as well as Roman numerals. If you want to be annoying you should go all the way.

>>19010378
Hey there anon I think I was the guy who recommended those 4 books on your last thread if im not mistaken

For the suffering sister, I think you're talking about Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. She had a stigmata, and she had vivid visions of what happened in multiple major Biblical and even extrabiblical events. This includes Creation, the life of the Virgin Mary and St Joseph before Christ's birth, St. Anne & St Joachim's (Virgin Mary's parents) life, and Christ's Passion

http://annecatherineemmerich.com/

Oh, and she also had a vision concerning the end times, where she saw the Virgin Mary standing on top of a hill wearing a suit of armor

“Very bad times will come when non-Catholics will lead many people astray. A great confusion will result. I saw the battle also. The enemies were far more numerous, but the small army of the faithful cut down whole rows of enemy soldiers. During the battle, the Blessed Virgin stood on a hill, wearing a suit armor. It was a terrible war. At the end, only a few fighters for the just cause survived, but the victory was theirs…”

Absolutely based

God be with you, and Happy Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary anon

Bump

>>19010607
Oh, and this too since you said you missed the last thread

>>19010607
>>19010695
Thanks anon. What I remember from the last thread about the suffering sister was her words about suffering. Things like: "I cannot suffer anymore." It became transformed into love of God for her. It was along those lines.

Another question: what's the Catholic position on the Divine Liturgies of St Basil and St John Chrysostom?

>>19010569
Whats your stance on Vatican 2? On SSPX? What, or who, should I be getting baptised by? Honestly the whole thing with the lighting striking the Vatican after Benedict resigned was pretty spooky.

>>19010378
>There was one about a suffering sister that I didn't record.
That would The Story of a Soul.
Check this:
https://www.baroniuspress.com/category.php?wid=73&cid=hardbackclassics

Happy year of St. Joseph, buddies. I really liked how a priest related during a confession that he was the only one in that family that sinned. Must have been kind of tough...

>>19010771
>>19010569
Therese of Lisieux gf, Pius X bf

>>19010607
>>19010771 Yes Thank you Anon. It was Thérèse of Lisieux. The passage that had such an impact on me was:
>On her death-bed, she is reported to have said, "I have reached the point of not being able to suffer any more, because all suffering is sweet to me." Her last words were, "My God, I love you!"

>>19010749
>SSPX
Schismatic. Bad things in the pipeline for them. Stay away.

>>19010749
>Whats your stance on Vatican 2?

GLOBALISTIC, ILLUMINISTIC CORRUPTION.


>On SSPX?

SCHISMATIC ORGANIZATION.


>What, or who, should I be getting baptised by?

>«The faithful, therefore, are to be informed that of those (who administer Baptism) there are three gradations. Bishops[,] and priests[,] hold the first place. To them belongs the administration of this Sacrament, not by any extraordinary concession of power, but by right of office[...]»

http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/daw.htm


ADDENDVM:

YOU SHOULD ALSO READ:


— «MÍSTICA CIUDAD DE DIOS», BY: MARÍA DE JESÚS DE ÁGREDA.

— SAINT FRANCIS OF ASSISI'S «LITTLE FLOWERS».

— «SUMMA THEOLOGIÆ», BY: SAINT THOMAS OF AQUINAS.

— «CONCORDIA DE EL LIBRE ARBITRIO», BY: LUIS DE MOLINA.

— «DISPUTACIONES METAFÍSICAS», BY: FRANCISCO SUÁREZ.


READ THE LATTER THREE LATER, YEARS FROM NOW.

Orthodoxy, The Everlasting Man, Europe and the Faith.

>>19011178
from this section:

>Those who may administer Baptism in case of necessity, but without its solemn ceremonies, hold the last place; and in this class are included all, even the laity, men and women, to whatever sect they may belong. This office extends in case of necessity, even to Jews, infidels and heretics, provided, however, they intend to do what the Catholic Church does in that act of her ministry. These things were established by many decrees of the ancient Fathers and Councils; and the holy Council of Trent denounces anathema against those who dare to say, that Baptism, even when administered by heretics, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, with the intention of doing what the Church does, is not true Baptism.

>And here indeed let us admire the supreme goodness and wisdom of our Lord. Seeing the necessity of this Sacrament for all, He not only instituted water, than which nothing can be more common, as its matter, but also placed its administration within the power of all. In its administration, however, as we have already observed, all are not allowed to use the solemn ceremonies; not that rites and ceremonies are of higher dignity, but because they are less necessary than the Sacrament.

>Let not the faithful, however, imagine that this office is given promiscuously to all, so as to do away with the propriety of observing a certain precedence among those who are its ministers. When a man is present a woman should not baptise; an ecclesiastic takes precedence over a layman, and a priest over a simple ecclesiastic. Midwives, however, when accustomed to its administration, are not to be found fault with if sometimes, when a man is present who is unacquainted with the manner of its administration, they perform what may otherwise appear to belong more properly to men.

I get the sense that anyone could do it who had the right intent but that in order to magnify the solemnity and holiness of the sacrament it should be undertaken by someone more advanced in the faith, the more advanced the better. Would you agree? Where should I look for this sort of person? Wouldn't the church be as good a place as any? On reflection it seems it is perhaps more important just to get it done than to have excessive concern for exactly who it is?

>>19011178
Thanks for the book recs btw

>>19011385
Anyone else got a take on this?

>>19012397
>>19011385


WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING?

>>19012430
What do you mean? I'm trying to figure out who I should go to for baptism? If Vatican 2 is a globalistic, illuministic corruption then who should I turn to? I'm thinking I'm just gonna go to the local latin mass and ask someone.

>>19012547


I ANSWERED YOU TWO POSTS AGO, PER CITATION.

WHEN WILL YOU START READING ALL THE WORKS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO YOU?

>>19010601

He's not a tripfag. He slaps the caps on to get everyone's attention.

>>19012555
I did read this: http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/daw.htm

I quoted what I thought was the most relevant passage to my question here >>19011385
The text from the Trentian council doesn't seem to answer my question. It seems to me like relying on the council of Trent for answers in a time when we both acknowledge that the Holy See is corrupted seems problematic.

Anon read the church fathers - get yourself a 1945 missal - get to a Latin mass community - enjoy the fruits of your renewed life in Christ.

>>19012611


THE SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM REMAINS UNCORRUPTED ANYWHERE NOT OVERTLY HERETICAL, WHICH IS VIRTUALLY EVERYWHERE.

ALSO: ASSISTING TO A MODERN MASS WILL NOT TURN YOU INTO A HERETIC, NOR WOULD YOU INCUR IN SIN; THE RITES ARE CORRUPTED, BUT THEY ARE NOT HERETICAL (YET).

>>19010378

C ΠM G E N V S and the rest gave a lot of the essential recommendations so I'll include my own list of Catholic readings.

Fiction:
Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion by JRR Tolkien

The Divine Comedy by Dante
The novels of Evelyn Waugh such as his masterpiece Brideshead Revisited.
The Complete Father Brown novels by GK Chesterton.

The Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson (A sci-fi novel by a Catholic bishop about the apocalypse and the anti-Christ)

The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. (This is a difficult read, it should be the last on your list.)

Apologetics:

Heretics by GK Chesterton. Orthodoxy and Everlasting Man are essentials too.

Vibrant Paradoxes by Bishop Robert Barron. (Read this book before listening to the erroneous rumors about him. He is not a Heretic in anyway.)

How to Destroy Western Civilization by Peter Kreeft (The title differs from the actual content)

Philosophy, History, Sociology:

The Collected Works of Rene Girard. His masterpiece: Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World.

A Secular Age by Charles Taylor

How the Catholic church built Western Civilization by Thomas Woods

>>19012579
How do you define tripfag? And how new are you?

>>19012620
Thanks. I only pray my heart not waver. A question though. The church fathers aren different from the desert fathers? I've read a collection of sayings of the desert fathers by Thomas Merton. Please might you give some specific texts?
>>19012648
I don't know what to understand by this. Should I get baptised in the church as it exists? If the sacrament is corrupted in the church as it is- where should I be looking so as to be able to take an uncorrupted form of the sacrament? Is it because you don't know where I should look that you aren't giving me a direct answer? Please forgive my forthrightness but it is a pressing concern. I want the rite to be effective. I do appreciate you responding. Anyone else want to chime in on this please?
>>19012659
Thanks anon.
God bless you all.

Bump

>>19012786

The church fathers are Saint Augustine, basil the great etc. They tended to live in cities and were educated.

The desert fathers were a small group who left to practice monasticism in the desert.

I’d start with Augustine confessions and then Athanasius on the Holy Spirit. There is a great website called “read the fathers” where everything has been digitalised.

In all seriousness though get to a Latin mass community that celebrates the old mass. Either sspx or one in full communion. You need to go to mass to stay strong and grow in your faith.

Also YouTube a movie called “mass of ages”. It was just released.

>>19013229
Cool thanks. I read the confessions. I enjoyed it. I don't think I grasped the full significance of it but I can appreciate it for what i experienced. I'll certainly check out your other recs. Thanks again.

>>19013186
Nice art.

>>19010749
>Another question: what's the Catholic position on the Divine Liturgies of St Basil and St John Chrysostom?
There are Catholic churches in communion with Rome that practice them, they are usually called Eastern Catholics or Byzantine Catholics.
I'm guessing individual opinion may vary, but they are officially a part of the Catholic church so the Vatican is alright with them.

>>19014108
>so the Vatican is alright with them.
This. I also "love" the liturgy and anaphora of "St." Nestorius the Catholic Indians use.

>>19010378
The Intellectual Life - A. G. Sertillanges, O. P.
The Imitation of Christ
The Golden Legend
The Heresy of Formlessness - Martin Mosebach

If you are interested in sacred art the best introduction would be "Catholic Church Architecture and the Spirit of the Liturgy" by Denis McNamara. A cheaper option would be "The Way of Beauty" by David Clayton.

Here are some solid publishers
Angelico Press
Baronius Press
Mediatrix Press
Loreto Publication
Arouca Press
Ignatius Press

>>19010749
>>19011100
>>19011178
It is slanderous and uneducated to call the SSPX schismatic. They're only in an irregular canonical situation.

>>19015127
> irregular canonical situation
what does this mean lol

>>19012786
>Please forgive my forthrightness but it is a pressing concern.

Different anon here. The sacrament of baptism is not corrupted. The Catholic Church is composed of sinners. It has *always* been composed of sinners. The remarks you posted in >>19011385 are quite accurate. Thus even if, hypothetically, you were baptized by a sinful priest (God forbid), the baptism would still be entirely effective. Indeed, there is no *fundamental* difference between baptism by a holy priest, and baptism by any random lay person, "provided, however, [that he] intend[s] to do what the Catholic Church does in that act of her ministry." The strictures set forth in that passage have to do with maintaining propriety. The sacrament, however, is the sacrament; it does not change in its power or its effects by dint of the person who administers the sacrament.

Vatican II was sound, despite its critics.**

If you are interested in getting baptized, then you need to go through the RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults) program, and you will be baptized at the end of it. Sometimes exceptions are made, depending on your particular circumstances. But that is the ordinary process.

Pray and trust in divine Providence in seeking out a local parish where you can prepare for baptism. Realize that priests are perfectly human - that is, imperfect - and few of them are saints. With that said, there are *many* good and holy priests.

There are a lot of good book suggestions in this thread, here' one more:
- Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

**There are a number of books that defend the orthodoxy of Vatican II. A short, accessible one is: 'More Catholic Than the Pope' by Patrick Madrid and Pete Vere.

A more in-depth volume is: James Likoudis & Kenneth Whitehead, 'The Pope, the Council, and the Mass: Answers to Questions the Traditionalists Have Asked' (Revised Edition)

Both books are readily available on Amazon and other places Catholic books are sold.

Here is a good article that discusses Vatican II's statement on religious liberty: https://www.calledtocommunion.com/2013/10/on-religious-liberty-an-objection-considered/

Here are a couple of videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X0S63JQBCI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZc8lrqzjHY

>>19012786
>Is it because you don't know where I should look that you aren't giving me a direct answer?

He gave you a straight answer, but you're too retarded to read.

>>19012659
I just finished how the Catholic Church built western civilization. Currently reading the strangest way by Barron. Highly recommend.

>>19011385
i think what they're trying to say is that baptism is of absolute importance so the person whose gut instinct is to baptize in a crisis has sufficient authority. it's not like you can sit around and have an ecclesiastical debate about it before deciding. the one who takes the initiative is also the most righteous

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

Heavenly Father, I ask that you bless this thread. Please make all the fedorafags and protestant heretics seethe so that they may see the error of their ways and repent.

Grant us the mental acuity to give good and holy book recommendations that will plant the seeds of faith in the hearts of the faithless.

Send the spirit of Christ into the hearts of jannies so that they will honor fourth commandment, wherein you command your people to not work on the Sabbath. Jannies not only work on the Sabbath but they do it for no money, like slaves. Through Christ alone we are no longer slaves but free beings. Lord, free jannies from their spiritual and monetary slavery.

In Christ's name I ask this, Amen.

>>19016811
Thanks anon.

Thank you all.