/lit/ - Literature

>>19040057
Can it

you should use it along collar and daniell's first year latin
it's on internet archive

>>19040057
>it's
You'll never learn a language bro just give up

>>19040057
I believe it's recommended to intersperse the chapters of Familia Romana with Colloquia Personarum and, later, Fabulae Syrae, both written by the same author. Not only do they make it possible for you to cement the aquired vocabulary, they also elaborate on the story. Fun read.

>>19040057
I use anki as well, you can find a good frequency + lingva latina deck online.
Also this >>19040130
20 times better than Wheelock or that french tard.

>>19040164
>Colloquia Personarum
useless overkill recommended by talentless redditors

>Fabulae Syrae
Only starting it but looks very good so far

I am also starting to look at medieval latin translations (e.g. Ficino's translation of Plato). they seem even easier than Caesar to me. Engaging with serious texts as soon as possible has worked really well or me in the past.

>>19040057
>supplementary texts
There are supplemental texts that go with it (and they are pretty much necessary), search for Familia Romana on b-ok. I use the Companion and Exercitia.

>>19040057
This book is r*ddit. Just sit down, muster some patience and 1) memorize the four declensions declensions 2) memorize the verb types and finally 3) distinguish tempora and modi. Read up on the consecutio temporum and the uses of the subjunctive which differ greatly from those of English. Vocabulary can be learned by reading fables of Hyginus and the Vulgate. But avoid modern gimmicks like this book at all costs.
>it's
also probably ngmi

>>19040350
Ignore this guy, OP.

>>19040427
He's not wrong. Even your bald autistic god recommends memorizing the indicative/subjunctives active/passive forms by writing them out 200 times each before picking up the LLSPI. There's no substitute for hard work.

>>19040482
>there’s no substitute for hard work
That’s true but writing out the declension tables 200 times over a period of months is going to be a lot easier once you have at least been exposed to what the case system is for and how it’s used. Puzzling clumsily through the first chunk of this book is a reasonable way of doing that and only takes a few “lessons” to get the picture

>>19040482
What I am hearing is you coping with having a poor verbal memory. I wrote down he declension tables exactly 0 times, and didn't spend any time looking at them either. I just picked it up along the way. You barely need them while inpoooting because you recognize the form from the context and the root remains.
I can read 6 languages because of inpoooting. I can probably speak them too, but I don't care about that because all people worth speaking to are dead. Cope, seethe, dilate.

>>19040427
Go back.

>>19040350
lmao I took Latin for 4 years in high school and I have internalized more with LLSPI in 6 months than all of that declension/conjugation table shit. it's unnatural

>>19040553
Is Familia Romana based or cringe? I think it is cringe. Someone (totally not a newfag trying to fit in) called it reddit, therefore it should be cringe. On the other hand, some guy from /g/ said it was based. So, is it cringe or based???

>>19040350
>1) memorize the four declensions declensions 2) memorize the verb types and finally 3) distinguish tempora and modi
Nobody ever learned a language this way

>>19040592
cringe and r*ddit

>>19040588
>lmao I took Latin for 4 years in high school and I have internalized more with LLSPI in 6 months than all of that declension/conjugation table shit. it's unnatural
t. mutts with underdeveloped left brain

>>19040685
tacete barbari

>>19040130
fuck off luke smith/luke smith's singular fan

>>19040727
>tacete barbari
scripsit quidam procacissimus cinaedus, fottiti sfigato

>>19040736
Its recommended on textkit, you absolute degenerate

>>19040685
One day I will write a browser extension to filter wojak-posters, your posts are 100% low quality insults grounded in identitarianism

>>19040780
>One day I will write a browser extension to filter wojak-posters, your posts are 100% low quality insults grounded in identitarianism
cope

>>19040827
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

We should write in Latin ITT. The problem is that I haven't learned the subjective so I don't know to write my first sentence in Latin

>>19041026
I'll try anyway: litteras latinas in hoc filis scribatis

commentarius meus vere

>>19041026
oportet latine in hoc filo scribamus.

>>19041168
"Oportet in hoc filo latine scribere" (res necessaria) sive "in hoc filo latine scribamus" (coniunctivus adhortativus). lingua nostra sicut ego aestumo linguae calestis Graecorum esse multo durior itaque si posthac solum graecam litteram adhibere pergeremus esset melior. Vale.

>>19040350
>four declensions

Hmmmm... very interesting.

>the methods used to teach Latin for 2000 years is unnatural

>>19041314
weak bait

>>19041314
Learn Latin nigger

>>19041511
This is a good point, but I think what people mean about it being unnatural is that it's unnatural to learn a language as opposed to studying a language.

To make a movie analogy, being a paleontologist doesn't really prepare you to interact with living dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. There's nothing with with studying a dead thing, but if you want to interact with a living thing, experience is more important.

So I guess the point is that for 1500ish years people weren't really learning Latin as a living language and the people in this thread are. Which is why they prefer a different method than the existing process.

I hope that clears things up, because I don't disagree with you. I just think it's the difference between being an astrophysicist and being an astronaut. These people want to be astronauts. If you want to call it larping, that's fair, but the point still stands.

>I can read 5 secondary languages but have never spoken them or held a conversation in them (I know I could; I just don't feel like it). But trust me I read them at a very high level without ever having opened a grammar book.
kek, only thing you've ever read is "natural method" books with lots of pictures.

>>19040511
yiiikes, you must be fun at parties...

>>19041575
oh look a 4chud autist attacking someone who actually knows something imagine meh shock

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15665
One of the best grammar books. Very concise. Not necessarily the best starting place but a great handbook.

>>19040511
>I can (((probably))) speak them too
I'm struggling to imagine how anyone could be so lacking in self-awareness as to type this out. How could you possibly imagine that anyone in this thread reading your post would believe you?

>>19040511
>>19041719
also
>all people worth speaking to are dead
>"all people worth speaking to are dead"

>>19041719
I must lack self-awareness as well because I see nothing wrong with that. Care to explain?

>>19041719
>getting filtered by elementary neuroscience

>>19041840
If adapting your ability to read a language to an ability to speak it is easy to you I can see no reason why you wouldn't have already done so. It's free money in your bank account, it's more job options, and it's more babes "hittin' up ya' cell". You can call all these blessings superficial but who wouldn't do something easy (if not effortless) to provide himself with superficial benefits? As I pointed out, you clearly aren't ascetic enough to forgo posting on 4chan so don't play the monk.
>>19041866
>you do not understand elementary neuroscience, here's an image only meaningful to someone with at least an elementary understanding of neuroscience

>>19041939
>>you do understand elementary neuroscience, here's an image only meaningful to someone with at least an elementary understanding of neuroscience
What this anon means is that understanding language and language production are two different functions, largely independent and dissociable (you can have one without the other to a surprising extent, however counterintuitive it sounds). Of course this anon's pseudery is showing, because 1) we know this fact from neuropsychology (studies of patients with damaged brains), not neuroscience 2) it doesn't really apply here.

>>19041939
>It's free money in your bank account, it's more job options
Kek, I am sure the ability to speak latin and sanskrit would greatly advance my stem career.
Imagine being so intimidated by strangers online that you have to call them out on supposed lying, instead of just accepting that people have different goals and values.

>>19041985
>neuropsychology (studies of patients with damaged brains)
I learnt about it from the Kandel textbook and I don't see the word "neuropsychology" anywhere near it

>it doesn't really apply here
how so?

>>19040180
>>Colloquia Personarum
> useless overkill recommended by talentless redditors
It's two pages per chapter of LLPSI, why wouldn't you just read it?

>>19041985
>we know this fact from neuropsychology (studies of patients with damaged brains), not neuroscience
Overconfidence: the post. Embarrassing.

>>19042024
Are all 5 of those languages you learned dead? Why would someone in a STEM career be so autistic as to 5 dead languages? If any of the languages you learned aren't dead then I imagine they'd be useful for communicating with clients/colleagues in other countries.
>that you have to call them out on supposed lying
I never called you a liar. At most I implied that what you're saying is hard to believe.
>intimidated by strangers
Why would I be intimidated by accomplishments I don't believe exist (assuming I think you're a liar)?
>accepting that people have different goals and values
My point has always been that the "goals and values" you profess to have are bizarre. You're in a place where normative expectations exist. Why would someone with such a hyperspecialized superautism be in this thread now communicating with us?

>>19042076
>autistic as to learn 5 dead

>>19042024
>I learnt about it from the Kandel textbook and I don't see the word "neuropsychology" anywhere near it
Think about this methodologically, even ignoring research history. It's impossible to design a brain imaging experiment that would prove a double dissociation. Animal models can't be used with language. Maybe you could show something with TMS, but it's practically difficult and alternative explanations can't be ruled out. When you have two patients with opposite competences (one but not the other and vice versa), that will convince every motherfucker in the room that you're dealing with different functions.
>how so?
When you learn a language, even through the purest input method you devise, you can't help but practice language production too. When you subvocalize during reading, that's your Broca's area firing and your production being practiced. If you want to make an argument that that anon can't speak the language, none of this stuff will help you. Efferent and afferent paths normally fire together in healthy brains.

>>19042076
>If any of the languages you learned aren't dead then I imagine they'd be useful for communicating with clients/colleagues in other countries.
You really need to get away from your hyper-wagie mentality man. I learn languages because I like reading. I read a lot. Some of what I want to read is not translated or translated poorly. You know nothing about my job. There are massive regional and domain differences between work cultures which you are probably unaware off. Maybe I am a rich trust-fund kid. Maybe I am on the spectrum. Maybe I have eidetic memory.
Essentially you are projecting your narrow life-experience on an anonymous stranger from a board full of autists and that is retarded. If you find not doing every little thing you can to maximize your profitability in the capitalist machine so weird, I recommend you travel and read more.

>>19042142
>you can't help but practice language production too
And that's why I said I can probably speak them. Remember, speaking and reading are not either/or abilities. I can no doubt speak latin or italian to some extent, I am just uncertain to what extent my ability to speak is worse than my ability to read because I haven't had any chances to practice it.

>When you subvocalize
I don't subvocalize. I had a speedreader autism streak and it stuck.

>My point has always been that the "goals and values" you profess to have are bizarre. You're in a place where normative expectations exist. Why would someone with such a hyperspecialized superautism be in this thread now communicating with us?
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Anonymous 09/13/21(Mon)14:06:50 No.19042119▶
>>19042076
>autistic as to learn 5 dead
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Anonymous 09/13/21(Mon)14:10:20 No.19042142▶>>19042184
>>19042024
>I learnt about it from the Kandel textbook and I don't see the word "neuropsychology" anywhere near it
>Think about this methodologically, even ignoring research history. It's impossible to design a brain imaging experiment that would prove a double dissociation. Animal models can't be used with language. Maybe you could show something with TMS, but it's practically difficult and alternative explanations can't be ruled out. When you have two patients with opposite competences (one but not the other and vice versa), that will convince every motherfucker in the room that you're dealing with different functions.
>how so?
>When you learn a language, even through the purest input method you devise, you can't help but practice language production too. When you subvocalize during reading, that's your Broca's area firing and your production being practiced. If you want to make an argument that that anon can't speak the language, none of this stuff will help you. Efferent and afferent paths normally fire together in healthy brains.
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Anonymous 09/13/21(Mon)14:16:42 No.19042184▶
>>19042076
>If any of the languages you learned aren't dead then I imagine they'd be useful for communicating with clients/colleagues in other countries.
You really need to get away from your hyper-wagie mentality man. I learn languages because I like reading. I read a lot. Some of what I want to read is not translated or translated poorly. You know nothing about my job. There are massive regional and domain differences between work cultures which you are probably unaware off. Maybe I am a rich trust-fund kid. Maybe I am on the spectrum. Maybe I have eidetic memory.
Essentially you are projecting your narrow life-experience on an anonymous stranger from a board full of autists and that is retarded. If you find not doing every little thing you can to maximize your profitability in the capitalist machine so weird, I recommend you travel and read more.

>>19042142
>you can't help but practice language production too
>And that's why I said I can probably speak them. Remember, speaking and reading are not either/or abilities. I can no doubt speak latin or italian to some extent, I am just uncertain to what extent my ability to speak is worse than my ability to read because I haven't had any chances to practice it.
>When you subvocalize
>I don't subvocalize. I had a speedreader autism streak and it stuck.
Both of you need to fuck off back to r*ddit.

>>19042211
thanks for attaching a so*jak, now I can safely ignore your wall of text

>>19042061
>>19042211
Ah, here's the pseud. I was surprised you >>19042184 weren't posting like a assblasted retard.

>>19042227
>thanks for attaching a so*jak, now I can safely ignore your wall of text

>>19040057
Seneca is the best writer in the Latin language.

>>19042238
>Seneca is the best writer in the Latin language.

>>19042235
Retard, I am >>19042184 and the guy who reads languages without speaking them.

>>19042237
>>19042253
>>>/pol/

>>19042235
>>19042061
>>19042211 (You)
Ah, here's the pseud. I was surprised you >>19042184 weren't posting like a assblasted retard.
The one who smelt it dealt it, pseud. PEE-YEUH

>>19042255
lmao that's just what I meant, you misread this post, calm down anon

>>19042294
>calm down anon
I call people retards endearingly, retard. I was just clarifying.

>>19042310
but there was nothing to clarify, dipshit

>>19042329
>weebposter
Opinion rejected.

This is the worst thread I've ever seen.

>>19042335
there's something immensely autistic about it, isn't there

>>19042335
hello newfriend, you'll see a worse one tomorrow

>>19042346
So*jaks, autism and reddit in what could have been an interesting thread, shame

>>19042346
in thread with latin by illustartion is just 2 autistic men who cant speak latin and spend all their studying time talking about how great the book is

>>19040057

Alright I was gonna make a new thread but I guess this'll have to do.

I want to learn Russian. What's the best way to go about doing it? Should I just tackle grammar or... I mean idk what to do. My native language is Turkish and I like to think I am fairly good at English so I wanna learn a completely new language.

>>19042697
fugg off, lingua latina posters built /lit/

>>19042730
>What's the best way to go about doing it?
buy a russian primer and use it?

>>19042335
>This is the worst thread I've ever seen.

>>19042742

Yeah I suppose that could be good enough but Russian is a language you need to practice a fucking lot. I should just go to Ukraine or Russia lmao

I wish these threads were more like people practicing their Latin and less autism but the people sperging out about learning methods can't actually speak the language

>>19042887
>>19042742


I just realize I responded to the wrong thing sorry

>>19042887
ah right russian is special compared to all other languages okay

>>19040057
There’s no reason to skip the supplementaries if you want to actually learn the language. If you’re reading just for fun, at least do these >>19040164

>>19042730
Come to 2ch.hk (Russian 4chan) and vk.com (Russian Facebook/Twitter) to practice. They might get some bad rep, but the level of discussion and overall IQ of the inhabitants on both sites is somewhat similar to 4chan (admittedly, not a high bar to clear, but you’re here, so…)

>>19040057
don't worry about what book you should read. tolle et lege

>ywn read the Attic sequel of the story of Medus and Lydia back in Graecia

A proper torrent with audio:
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5567969

I come back to my thread after a day of work and this is what it turns into

Thoughts on Duolingo?