/lit/ - Literature

Young whippersnappers like yourself a need a beating now and then

The Peasants by Władysław Reymont

>I have no internal life and I must consume

I really enjoyed my last visit to walmart, i'd honestly be fine with muh heckin late capitalism if we sent all the non-whites elsewhere.... Book? Cao Naiqian's There's Nothing I Can Do When I Think Of You At Night, it's not pro-urban (pro-gay) but it paints a very bleak picture of rural life

>dude i LOVE the hustle and bustle of big cities!
etc. etc.

>>19085334
>>19085402
>>19085324
Good luck seeing a proper performance of Shakespeare in Mobil, Alabama.

>>19085470
Pretty sure mobile is not rural. Plus you can drive to montgomery if you really want to see some shakes.

>>19085470
I can see the USS Alabama and the USS Drum instead. I can drive 45 minutes and see the Naval Live Oaks Reservation.

There is beauty and wonder everywhere(and Mobile isn't exactly a small town, moron).

insulting rural life sure makes suburban larpers seethe

>>19085470
I don't care about spending $40 to consooom a shit tier performance of Shakespeare with a diverse LGBTQ+ cast.

>going to walmart instead of reenacting broke back mountain
not gonna make it

>>19085527
Suburbanites and Ruralites are so pathetic and tasteless and really have no clue about anything.

>>19085320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-v2NO4VRDc&ab_channel=SigSauer

>>19085505
>I can go look at boats
Lol

Postvid large cities suck ass rn, wouldnt mind being rural desu

>>19085320
It really is true, the grass really is greener wherever you are not.

>>19085320
>City dwellers plan shit rural infrastructure, ban localized agriculture, drive up cost of land.
>Man the country sure sucks doesn't it.

You don’t live in the country. You live in a specifically America, and urban domination of what was once the country. You live in industrial, commercial agricorpland or else the left behind industrial small town almost certainly. This is an American thing.

>>19085320
Thomas Bernhard loves to throw shit at countryside and whole bullshit mystique created by cunts around nature

>When I am in the country, bereft of mental stimulus, my thinking atrophies, because my whole mind atrophies, but nothing so calamitous ever happens to me in the city. As Paul once put it, people who leave the city for the country and want to keep up their intellectual standards have to be equipped with tremendous potential, with incredible mental resources, yet sooner or later even they are prone to stagnation and atrophy, and by the time they become aware of this process it is usually too late, and they inevitably come to a miserable end without being able to help themselves. Hence, throughout the years of my friendship with Paul I accustomed myself to the lifesaving rhythm of constantly switching between the city and the country, a rhythm that I intend to maintain for the rest of my life—going to Vienna at least every other week, and at least every other week to the country. For in the country the mind is drained just as fast as it is recharged in Vienna—faster, in fact, since the country always treats the mind more cruelly than the city ever can. The country robs a thinking person of everything and gives him virtually nothing, whereas the city is perpetually giving. One has simply to see this, and of course feel it, but very few either see it or feel it, with the result that most people are sentimentally drawn to the country, where in no time they are inevitably sucked dry, deflated, and destroyed. The mind cannot develop in the country; it can develop only in the city, yet today everyone flees from the city to the country because people are basically too indolent to use their minds, on which the city makes the greatest demands, and so they choose to perish surrounded by nature, admiring it without knowing it, instead of seizing upon all the benefits the city has to offer, which have increased and multiplied quite miraculously over the years, and never more so than in recent years. I know how deadly the country is, and whenever possible I flee from it to some big city—no matter what it is called or how ugly it is—which always does me a hundred times more good than the country. I have always cursed my unhealthy lungs, which prevent me from spending all my time in the city, which is what I would most like to do. But it is senseless to go on agonizing over something that cannot be changed and has not been worth talking about for years—something I must refrain from talking about. It occurs to me how lucky my friend Paul was to have good lungs and not to have to live in the country merely to survive. He could afford what I regard as the greatest boon—to spend all his time in the city—something that I could never afford if I wanted to go on living

>>19085320
I know that feel Anon. I grew up in a small Southern town, I've always considered it a black hole of despair, it never felt like home to me. I lived in NYC after finishing college, and despite its many problems like the absurd cost of living for a closet sized room, I felt much more alive living there. I'm also a theatrefag and NYC is the best place in America for that. That being said, post Covid I'm not sure NYC is worth it anymore. Theatre is on the decline (especially Broadway), ticket prices and real estate keep rising with no end in sight, it's beyond unreasonable and the future is not looking bright. I want to look into New England to move, Maine seems like a nice place to live. Thanks for reading my blog.

>>19085657
From another part of the book.

>If I had friends staying with me he would go for walks with us. He was not keen to do so, but was prepared to join us. I do not care for walks either, and have been a reluctant walker all my life. I have always disliked walking, but I am prepared to go for walks with friends, and this makes them think I am a keen walker, for there is an amazing theatricality about the way I walk. I am certainly not a keen walker, nor am I a nature lover or a nature expert. But when I am with friends I walk in such a way as to convince them I am a keen walker, a nature lover, and a nature expert. I know nothing about nature. I hate nature, because it is killing me. I live in the country only because the doctors have told me that I must live in the country if I want to survive—for no other reason. In fact I love everything except nature, which I find sinister; I have become familiar with the malignity and implacability of nature through the way it has dealt with my own body and soul, and being unable to contemplate the beauties of nature without at the same time contemplating its malignity and implacability, I fear it and avoid it whenever I can. The truth is that I am a city dweller who can at best tolerate nature. It is only with reluctance that I live in the country, which on the whole I find hostile.

-Thomas Bernhard, Wittgenstein's Nephew

Any books that celebrate the burgerpunk aesthetic and its moods?

>>19085657
i wonder if he had to live around thousands of shitskins and junkies and homeless people in a dirty piss and chit smelling drab mess or if this rich guy who was making trips to the country side and to Vienna every other week may have had a more privileged take on what living in a city is like compared to the experience of actual normal people

>>19085561
Ships and boats(learn the difference, pleb) are cool and so are massive trees along white sand beaches with crystal clear water.

>>19085657
There may have been something to this before the internet, but now you can live in the country and also have access to nearly all the information that human minds have collected. There is no reason someone living in the country cannot stimulate themselves intellectually and creatively now, unless they're so remote that they have no internet.

>>19085719
>if this rich guy
No, he was an artist who thought rural shitholes annihilate art and intellect by covering it under pig shite. If you want proof then see this >>19085668 anon is an "average" guy with love for art.

the eternal bugman

>>19085654
As if "self-sufficient" country people haven't rejected infrastructure at every turn. The cities fund the country, not the other way around

Ethan Frome by Edith Wharton depicts the destructive isolation a man can feel in small towns like this, as I've known it.

>>19085657
>a rhythm that I intend to maintain for the rest of my life—going to Vienna at least every other week, and at least every other week to the country.

mmm the stimulating experience of your average city dwelling renter, absconding with regularity to his country estate. One wonders what he was fleeing, those weeks away from Vienna.

>>19085747
You have to scratch your ass for 12 hours everyday on the farm. Most farmers I know are few of the most retarded people without an ounce of self awareness who keep putting their noses into your asshole all the time. All of them go home smell their own fart, watch TV for one hour or till they fall asleep. There is no sane community or privacy. Fuck country side desu

>>19085719
He wasn't rich. Read his memoir. He was an illegitimate child of a house maid, never met his father, was in a sanatorium for a large part of his life due to his lung disease, and other than working as a writer he also worked at a grocery store in the slums and was a truck driver.

>>19085771
>The cities fund the country, not the other way around
Dumbass. The country feeds the city. And it's parasitic not symbiotic.

>>19085775
>One wonders what he was fleeing, those weeks away from Vienna.
On the recommendation from doctors due to his lungs condition

>>19085799
What are you talking about? Don't be a farmer if you don't like farming.

>>19085806
Let's see how well farmers do without their government subsidies

>>19085668
I'm pretty sure this is the plot of Reds where they get out of the city and move to a beach house in New England with their playwright friend.

>>19085825
I am telling you about the reality your romantic dream of country life.

>>19085657
>>19085671
thassit. bernhard splurge time cometh. 4 books. right now. fuck all the world and all the people in it, i'm going hunting with my bear bjork. NO ONE CAN FUCKIN STOP ME.

>>19085806
All farmers today are slaves of modern industrial equipment.

>>19085320
You have no fucking idea the depravity of the cities. The only thing people do in cities for fun is drink at bars and eat at restaurants. I understand you think rural life is boring, as most sheltered rural people do, but please understand that you will be equally bored in a city. To anyone above 120 IQ, the only thing a city offers is high rent and homeless drug addicts screaming at 3am outside your window. Rural life isn't romanticized, it's just better.

>>19085505
what do you do the other 364 days

>>19085668
>>19085868
literally every "bohemian" larper from bumfuck suburb nowhere in big cities like NYC and Chicago always eventually moves out because deep down they can't handle being rootless cosmopolitans like they wish
this has been the case for a while and in a lot of places

>>19085885
Work, drink, tend your garden, READ A FUCKING BOOK, go fishing, see a local band. The same shit you do in whatever cosmopolitan "utopia" albeit for a lot cheaper.

>>19085871
I live in the woods, work from home, and spend evenings reading by my porch light. It's actually pretty comfy desu.

>>19085893
>No fucking
Dropped

>>19085884
there are drug addicts in the country too dumbass

>>19085884
>The only thing people do in cities for fun is drink at bars and eat at restaurants
Suburbanites and Ruralites really have not clue about anything. Pathetic.

>>19085899
Then that's cool anon.

>>19085884
>homeless drug addicts screaming at 3am outside your window.
>implying interactions with illiterate subhuman countrycunts is any better

>>19085888
>rootless cosmopolitans

>>19085867
>>19085806
Damn if only there were rural people with no equipment or subsidies all over the world who entirely destroy these shit points.
The system you are talking about is a creation of the cities to feed the soulless urban hordes.

>>19085657
This guy is a bugman. He's precisely correct if you switch country and city in every case.
You cannot cultivate your mind in a city. There is constant noise and distraction. Your neighbors will randomly hammer on the walls. There will be a meth addict screaming outside. Instead of thinking on your walks about great things, you're dodging needles and making sure you don't get mugged.
There is good reason that every great book was written in an isolated place, like a mountain cabin. Boredom engenders creativity. Give a toddler an iPad and they will not go play pretend in the backyard; the city is an iPad for the adult mind; every day spent there is a struggle against degenerate consumerism and vapidity. No mind can survive the assault forever.
The only good thing a city has is more people. If you're part of intellectual circles, sure, this can be nice. But you're more than likely going to be atomized like the rest, not even knowing your closest neighbor's face. It's no way to live. If you're at all smart, you're used to being intellectually lonely; this won't get much better in a city.

>>19085884
>look, a homeless person

>>19085950
>This guy is a bugman

>>19085950
>There is good reason that every great book was written in an isolated place, like a mountain cabin
Imagine believing this
Cities were/are/will be the centers of cultural, artistic, political and philosophical emancipation. Now go back and take care of your pigs' shite.

>>19085911
I've been living in the heart of Seattle for years, moving here from a rural area. It's hell. It has destroyed my soul. Only the knowledge that I will soon leave keeps me sane.
>>19085923
You don't know anything.

>>19085657
>the country and nature bad because I say it destroys you.
Everything I read in that quote is the repeated cry of a very fearful man.

>>19085971
>Cities were/are/will be the centers of cultural, artistic, political and philosophical emancipation.
Nope, cities are dead. The internet is all of those things. Cuties are just big Skinner boxes now for bug people. There's nothing there for the erudite man.

>>19085976
>You don't know anything.
I have had my experiences which are extremely terrible. Fuck those subhumans

>>19085986
>Nope, cities are dead.
Keep coping pig shite artist.

Bug people

In a rural community there are only 200 people to know. In an urban community you can pick some of the 200 people you'll get to know.

>>19086009
>In a rural community there are only 200 people to know
And all of them are boring and retarded

not a single person itt has actually lived in the country. you're all seething small towners trying to cope with moving to a mediocre big city like Seattle kek.

>>19085950
Although a bit extreme, and not applying to every place, a lot of what you said is very based. Most stimuli in the city are of the lowest of low. Making the country on the average a bit better. But if you are lucky in time and space, when small pockets of special people come together, you can find a treasure of interacting ideas within the city. So while for the average man they arent beneficial. For the population as a whole they sometimes are.

>>19085954
>>19085963
Did you have your reaction image folder open in explorer when you read their posts?

>>19086027
Even the ancients understood cities were poison to the soul

>>19086024
Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But if you don't adopt their tastes and habits you're stuck. In a city you can curate your 200 quite a bit more.

>>19086036
>twitter watermarked memes
I'll bet the cities are behind this

>>19086036
The "ancients" you speak of larped around as shepherds on the weekends and had gay sex outside and did no actual work then went back to the cities lmao

>>19086036
All ancient philosophical schools were in city centers ye dumb cunt.

>>19086042
Truth may be found anywhere

>>19086049
First of all that 150k house is a dump lmao. Second you have to take note of what's around you. Cities you have culture, a dating scene, public transportation, jobs/money, etc. All country bumpkins do is inhale air duster, drive 30 minutes to Walmart to walk around, and maybe kill themselves. Yeah I will pick the city.

>>19085402
>dude I LOVE living in a tiny town among a bunch of 60+ year olds!

>>19086073
Yeah it's pretty nice. Those people have been around for a while, you might learn something from them.

>>19086049
i better be getting a mcmansion for 150k

>>19086052
If you're spending few hours everyday on 4chan then this shit is worst than the photo shown below and you will always be aware of contemporary "happenings" so you're mentally living in the city even more so than urbanites because everything you get on internet is exaggerated.

>>19086078
There is nothing to learn from them because they are retards and have no clue about anything. They watch tv all day and go to Walmart.

>>19086078
Thats cool but i like being around people my own age

>>19086078
>you might learn something from them.
Like learning how to better mange pig shite?

>>19086063
>have a gf
>work remotely
>enjoy hiking and exercising outdoors
Yeah, I think I'll go with country. Enjoy your cage.

>>19086052
>the Roman emperor retired to his palatial complex in the Balkans which became the nucleus of a new city, therefore cities bad
And you think this is some kind of practical advice for a working age person? You make the big bucks as king of the world and then you retire to your estate. Look up how much farmland Bill Gates owns. Typical farmer is basically broke and in debt. Landchads earn their money in the city and buy up rural property to comfymax their retirement. The farmer never gets to retire.

>>19086091
>enjoy hiking and exercising outdoors
no you don't

>>19086052
i'll go with flipping a cop car with my buddies over picking radishes like a peasant retard

>>19086084
Countryfag OP is suffering from a disease of youth. Go ahead and move to the city, give it a few years, mature a bit. You'll come to understand that the foolish old people were wise after all, that the boring, stifling country life was peaceful and freeing, and that the glamorous city is ugly under its veneer. It's a phase that many people go through.

>>19086091
Hiking sucks nature sucks and you won't make any gains doing anything outdoors. I will just walk to the gym 5 minutes away, because in the city you can walk to places and not have to drive 45 minutes everywhere, and make real gains.

>>19086091
This a rare case and probably a covid situation. Nonetheless this isn't what majority of people mean when they say "country life".

>>19086104
You are delusional

>>19086095
So you agree that the city exists to make money for yourself and is not suitable for a lifelong residence. You agree that rich people escape the city once they have the means. Sounds to me like we agree on the country being a better place to live.

>>19086104
Your country life is quiet because all the ambitious people are gone. You should support the cityfags in their aspirations

>>19086091
Based rural remoteworkbro.
>>19086112
>Nonetheless this isn't what majority of people mean when they say "country life".
It will be in a few decades.

>>19086117
>better place to live
Better place to retire, sure. You'd have to be rich, content, or dumb to settle for living your prime earning years on what passes for welfare limits in a city.

>>19085804
a boomer working in a grocery store in the 20th century IS rich by modern standards

>>19086107
>more concerned about making gains than enjoying yourself and being healthy
Pathetic

>>19085867
??? Just fine? Retard.

>>19086123
>It will be in a few decades.
Nice lofty dreams pal.

>Cities
A nice place to visit, but certainly not where one should live.

>>19085884
>You have no fucking idea the depravity of the cities. The only thing people do in cities for fun is drink at bars and eat at restaurants.
The depravity!

DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!

>>19086159
>he hates fun
Go pick some vegetables, I want to have vegan food next week for dinner.

>>19086169
>>he hates fun
> Go pick some vegetables, I want to have vegan food next week for dinner.

>>19086159
>Not single mention of art galleries, museums, libraries, music scene, theater, food, cinema, bookstores etc. only bullshit adhom
What one could expect from a subhuman ruralfag?

>>19086159
>it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us
Yes

>>19086145
Not a lofty dream. Already a reality for me, and I don't care who lives around me because I'm autistic. It's just a reality that as remote work becomes normal and broadband coverage expands, more people will opt to live in the country with their comfy home jobs.

>>19086176
I'm hungry. It's your job to feed me. If you don't we'll just have costa rica grow the food. Get farming ruralbro.

>>19086187
Kek

>>19086159
This copypasta is frequently posted by people who live in cities but dont have any friends and think they'd be happy in the country

>>19086159
Honestly the life of the narrator of this pasta seems pretty comfy. Has a gf and seems like he has a lot of fun.

>>19086144
You're the retard here buddy. The farms that feed the cities (and most of the countryside) are huge mechanized operations that rely on subsidies to stay afloat. The government buys dairy and corn and shit to keep these people in business, and if shit hits the fan they are screwed, most of their crops will rot in the field.

>>19086181
If you're comfortable then good for ya mate. I wonder what will be your opinion after living there for few years.

>>19086159
lmao, /lit/ is bugman central

>>19086187
is this supposed to be a bad thing?

>>19086190
Imagine hating every possible form of experience except repetitive stress injuries and heat exhaustion from agricultural labor. Someone's gotta do it but I guarantee you those people think the grass is greener where there's concrete instead of grass. It's the larpers who think the countryside is ideal for the non-retired

>>19086131
All work of value can be done anywhere. Not my fault your only skills are bagging groceries. Sure, move to the city if you need money. I'm concerned with matters of the soul.

>>19086211
No but when I go to barcade it's because he made it possible. If he doesn't like where the food goes he should stop growing a surplus to sell. Unless of course he isn't rural at all.

>>19085320
If I had my way, the vast majority of land in America would be wild, with all traces of humans removed. Cities would be surrounded by enough farmland to feed them and a little more so that if one region suffered crop failure the rest of the country could bail them out. That way the bulk of the country’s ecosystem would be healed and our natural resource usage would be sustainable.

>>19086215
>matters of the soul
Ok well all your religious institutions have a large urban presence

>It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful country-side."

>"You horrify me!"

>"But the reason is very obvious. The pressure of public opinion can do in the town what the law cannot accomplish. There is no lane so vile that the scream of a tortured child, or the thud of a drunkard's blow, does not beget sympathy and indignation among the neighbors, and then the whole machinery of justice is ever so close that a word of complaint can set it going, and there is but a step between the crime and the dock. But look at these lonely houses, each in its own fields, filled for the most part with poor ignorant folk who know little of the law. Think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser.

>>19086217
>heh you cant be critical of anything ever as long as you participate in the system!
did you mean to post this on reddit?

>>19086197
They don't rely on subsidies, the people buying the food rely on subsidies to keep the prices down. If the subsidies ended, people still have to eat, even if that means spending double. The farmers are going to farm just the same.

>>19086213
I don't know why you think living in the country means literally farming for money. There's a reason no one in the thread but you has brought up farming. Sure, if you have no remotely marketable skills and are poor, move to a city. The whole discussion is about where it's better to live, not where it's better to wageslave. Maybe the country really has rotted your brain after all.

>>19086215
>I'm concerned with matters of the soul.
You mean "soul" doesn't exist in cities? If you're misanthropic about urban people then you might need reevaluate your spiritual system.

>>19086231
Ah, to live in a society of trust again. Sorry pal but cities don't work this way any more. You can be bleeding in the gutter and NYC bugmen will step over you.

the only benefit I see in the city is libraries and museums, even then you have to deal with them forcing shitty pop books and shitty new art on you.
internet can make up for it, at least for now. better to live in the country and be comfy and healthy with the trees, fresh air, sunlight, and nature spirits

>>19086236
>The farmers are going to farm just the same.
Not without highly industrialised modern tools and fossil fuels which they're slave of.

>>19086250
So what you're saying is that we're all really slaves to shippers like railroads, ships, and barges?

>>19086199
I've lived in the country my entire life.

>>19086250
Okay? If that ends they're still going to farm, just less. And then the cityfags will starve. There's no scenario where the farmers are unnecessary or get starved. The city depends on the farmers completely and totally.

>>19086256
Yes and framers some don't transcend these categories in case of a civilizational collapse everyone is fucked.

>>19086232
Oh he can be critical but it's the whine of a faulty HVAC system on a Georgia afternoon
>>19086236
How do you support yourself living in the country such that you maximize your potential? I am interested in accumulating enough money such that I don't die working in a Walmart at age 74. The city offers far more opportunity to do this, and you can even leave after a certain point. A rural lifestyle hardly affords a possibility to accumulate.

>>19086262
Kek, it's many decades since most of world has burned their primitive tools and only rely on modern industrialized equipment.

>>19085546
>>19085320
This

The future of humanity is ultra dense city-countries like Japan

Ruralites are nothing but spergy reactionaries

>>19086096
>>19086107
you guys are so sad. I really feel bad that you are so bitter and cynical that you can't enjoy god's creation. City dwelling will do that to people.

>>19086281
>you can't enjoy god's creation.
You can only say this due years of animal slaughter by humans otherwise you would have became the dinner of some predator along with your sweet heart during a "comfy" June hike in Godly kingdom.

>>19086279
You're retarded if you think farmers don't know how to farm without diesel. They do. They also have the land. The millions of bugs in Manhattan couldn't farm regardless of skills because there is no land there. If there is an EMP, farmers are going to be fine until they get enslaved by roving bands of land vikings. City people will starve by the tens of millions.
If you don't like it, get your affairs in order.

>>19086302
Most animals are afraid of people and won't bother you. If you know what to do in the unlikely event you do encounter a bear or something in order to scare it off, you are not in any danger.

>>19086302
So why do I see buried beds of artifacts on remote mountain peaks... hmm it's almost as if people lived and walked here before.

>>19085320
Guess what faggot. People who live in the suburbs their whole lives hate the suburbs. People who live in the city their whole lives hate the city. And yes, people who live in the country their whole lives hate the country. You are a boring retard yourself. Read some more Greeks

>>19086316
How do you plan to fund your bug-out self-sustaining farmstead? I hope you don't need to raise capital from an urban source....

>>19086319
Yeah whenever you see a bear next time assert dominance by beating your chest and showing up in front of him.

>>19086322
They were always in groups on high alert and scared.

>>19086248
>What is the larger complex scale of labor division

In the countryside you have to do shit all by yourself which is a waste of time

In cities you get a smooth exchange between services because everyone can specialize on each other's needs making life easier for all of us. Also if the countryside doesnt have fertile land then you'll end up like Ireland, a sad grey depressing place filled with constant rain and bored alchoolics

I miss Toronto. It was a dump but it was my goddamn dump. I fucked every possible race/ethnicity of women there, even muslim broads. Gods I even fucked an honest to God Inuit chick. Now I'm stuck in fucking Wisconsin and it's hell on earth.

>>19085320
You haven't live in an urban place until now, so don't expect to like it, maybe it will be worse

>>19086423
Which race/ethnicity was the most tasty?

I'm fine with rural zones, but honestly the rising fetishization of communal living and extended families in the United States is worrying. There's a shitton of anarcho-communist kids who view communes as some sort of utopia where there's no fights. Journos keep writing articles romanticizing tribal extended family in places like Africa or Mexico, and there's that SharePod thing where Cali retards pay $2000 dollars to live in a one big shared room with no privacy


I don't understand. Are Zoomies are so desperate for attention and social interaction they want to live in systems where they're connected to someone else and everyone is watching them all the time? As someone who has grown up in a extended family and communal environment in the past, It's not fucking Animal Crossing utopias where everyone is kind and altruistic for no reason. It's more like having four more siblings to beat the shit out of you and living in a shitty small house where there's literally always someone in every room watching every hour, every object in the house down to personal possessions has to be collectivized with everyone else and you have to sleep in the same mattress with a baby shitting itself and creepy 56 year old uncle Tom who won't shower and always sleeps in underwear

>>19086063
>you have to take note of what's around you.
OK
>Cities you have culture,
True enough; there good museums, theaters, galleries, etc in the city, and fewer in the country. That said, I also have my own library, a fair art enough collection, a large music collection, and access to the internet, so this is less of a drawback then it would have been 15 years ago.
>a dating scene,
I'm married, so this doesn't impact me one way or the other.
>public transportation,
To go where? And besides that, I have a car.
>jobs/money,
I can do my job remotely, and I have a decent enough nest-egg saved up that money isn't a huge concern.
>etc
What etc? The countryside is top-tier comfy if you generally like quiet and open space and have the means to support yourself there.

>>19086443
>It's more like having four more siblings to beat the shit out of you and living in a shitty small house where there's literally always someone in every room watching every hour, every object in the house down to personal possessions has to be collectivized with everyone else and you have to sleep in the same mattress with a baby shitting itself and creepy 56 year old uncle Tom who won't shower and always sleeps in underwear
Fucking hell, this is the Truth of extended families right here.

Charya, get the shovel.

>>19085657
>wheezing lunglet with a feeble respiratory tract from a life of decadent concrete living manages to gasp out a couple slanderous accusations against the very earth mother that nurtures him before crawling back to his pit

>>19085320
krasznahorkai. satantango & baron wenckheim's homecoming are both about how the countryside is an unbearable shithole full of the most loathsome sorts of empty-headed reactionary buffoons. finest anti-rural lit i've read.

>>19086501
>>wheezing lunglet with a feeble respiratory tract from a life of decadent concrete
Stop projecting retard
He had this condition since his childhood

>>19085320
>For fun all people do here is drive 30 minutes to Walmart to walk around because they are bored.
Sounds like paradise. Sorry you can’t appreciate it.

>>19086073
Yes, and?

>>19085905
Country drug addicts are based though.

Live in the country, you end up smoking meth and driving ATVs around a moonlight road at 3am or firing off guns into the woods. You smoke some heroin with a friend around a crackling gasoline fueled dumpster fire while listening to the crickets and frogs. You grow weed and opium and process it yourself in the toolshed with chemicals you bought online then invite the neighbors over to mainline homemade morphine on your shag carpet.

In the city you just step over drug addicts passed out in a puddle of their own piss in front of the startbucks. Its a miserable experience and completely devoid of soul.

>>19085905
There can sometime even be more. There’s tons of meth in the country. And rampant alcoholism.

>>19085950
If country life and nature are so great people wouldn’t have spent all of human history gathering in larger and larger groups, removing themselves from nature, and making cities.

>>19086511
>>19086536
These are the people that call you a "bugman"

>>19085470
Video exists you know. The stage is obsolete

>>19086044
Another strike against the urbanite

>>19085867
The reason subsidies exist is because the rest of the economy of non essential goods and services is so clown world tier that it fucks up the health of the economy. Over half of all jobs in the US are service industry. When you have half the population working as literal servants you lose sight of the proportion of meaningful essential work. Subsidies prove that modern man does not have its priorities straight about what is an essential and a nonessential good. Also, there is an incentive to keep food sale price as low as possible to feed the servant class but also discourage the servant class from seeing self sufficient farming as a viable alternative.

>>19086344
>I hope you don't need to raise capital from an urban source....
You don’t

>>19086581
Not him, and I am a big proponent of country living. That said, a screen cannot fully replicate a stage and live theater.

>>19086344
You are the most delusional nigger I think ive ever seen on this board. You fucking retarded brain dead kike.

>>19086666
>That said, a screen cannot fully replicate a stage and live theater.
True, but we don’t need to fully replicate it. Video is good enough.

>>19086618
NOOO YOU CANT JUST BORROW MONEY FROM PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY GOYIM.

>>19086618
these types of banks are all still ultimately built with urban capital

>>19085327
based. also pic related

>>19086681
Alright smart ass. Explain how you're financing your new rural home and self-sufficient farming operation. You're going to save enough money doing rural labor to buy out a plot of land and build it all? I mean you could borrow it like this guy's >>19086618 suggesting, but now you're in debt and you need to pay a lender, i.e. you're no longer self-sufficient. If you'd just made your "fortune" as a city slicker would be a lot easier to pull off; sell your vastly overpriced urban property to someone and grab up that country land.

>>19086719
I inherited the land from my parents, who inherited it from their parents, who inherited it from their parents, who inherited it from their parents, who homesteaded the land after they ran off the then-local tribe camping on it.

>>19085320
OP im 90% with you.

Nature is cool, but people need contact, my brain needs new things, new people.

Dont listen to all the losers on here who dream of fleeing from their lives to hide in some shack in the woods

>>19086725
your family are the campers, settler scum

Cities were cool before industrial revolution, when illiterate peasants loved at the countryside, then those moved to cities and their peasant gened NPC offspring remained at cities.

I can easily trace my ancestry as i'm a yuropoor, most of my ancestors were either bankers or accountants, urbanites to speak, some traders here and there.
cities used to be centers of intellect, trade, arts and culture indeed.
Then peasants ruined all during industrialization.
my parents flew with me to some isolated house in the country and here i am.
Last time i been in a city was 4 years ago, as a good counterside, Cities are chaos, they promote escapism and thus, introspection.
Nothing else in my experience.

>>19086741
So are you, indigenous teepee man.

>>19086735
>people need contact, my brain needs new things, new people.
UUUGGGGH IM CONSOOMING NEW PEOPLE

>>19086443
So Nuclear family good?

>>19086719
Literally no one knows what you are talking about. You are making up a bunch of "country problems" that dont actually exist you fuckwit. Its not anyone else's fault that you are a miserable jewish asshole with no skills or friends. Die in a ditch.

>>19086752
Life isn't a cartoon. You need to pay for things. I guess if you already own the rural land you're talking about go have a blast but you're still going to need to pay for things.

>>19086748
All family is bad.

>>19086764
I have lived in the country most of my life. Listen im sorry that your parents were miserable failures and couldn't provide a normal healthy upbringing in a normal healthy place or provide you with a future home to be happy in, but you need to stop and reflect on why the country makes you so angry. Is it because you are lonely? Is it that you despise your parents? Were you abused by them or some country relative? Life is about reflection and its pretty clear you arent doing much of it.

>>19086782
I am like a sixth, seventh, eighth generation urbanite I have no idea who touched you lol.

>>19086782
You are a passive aggressive little bitch

>>19085470
why would i want to see shakespeare when i can go to the titty bar down the road?

>>19085905
yes but they drive themselves into trees instead of molesting pedestrians

>>19086788
Well i know who touched you, a disease ridden nigger.
>>19086797
Yeah yeah, keep living the lie you fucking scum.

>>19085320
>tfw spent 20 years growing up in a rural village
>miss it everyday
spend 5 years in the city and you'll change your tune

>>19086748
Eh, the nuclear family simply has different problems like being less economically viable or extreme atomization which can conceal abuse, but other than that at least there's a bigger chance you won't go through BNW-tier social scrutinization 24/7
>>19086765
Based

>>19086765
Nah, just yours desu senpai.

>>19085320
Deer Hunting With Jesus
sympathetic southern socialist talking about the decline of the rural community in America

>>19085546
>>19086280
Have fun getting stabbed by a homeless guy.

>>19086831
You know, I reckin if your "folks" hadn't bought them to do farmwork they wouldn't be here, ruralfag

>>19086536
Its funny when my fellow cityfags make fun of rural areas for methheads when I have to step over heroin addicts all over times square. Rural druggies seem out of sight out of mind

What's good about urban life? I'm asking in a non-ill way.
I hate the mere idea of going outside and being observed by lots of people, isurrounded by endless crowds of irrelevant npcs without personality nor background (at least in your sight), having no space for loneliness outside your own mind, being in constant danger, being forced to live in a small square without creative freedom
I dont know, it just feels terrible to think about it, i can't think about any good thing compared to country life, specially nowadays when you can get everything without too much movement everywhere.

>>19086915
Convienence, easier acess to cultural instiutions (so basically convienence again) diversity I guess if you care about that (I personally dont) uhhhhhh higher paying jobs (lame reason imo) walkability (debateable especily in many american cities)

>>19086915
Walkabiliity which is everything, culture, dating, jobs/money, variety, life.
If you are unironically calling others npcs you are very self absorbed and narcissistic. Maybe you should reflect on that.

>>19085320
Why are all anti rural fags American? The countryside herw in Sweden is peaceful and based af

>>19087084
I specified at your sight, not because i consider anyone else NPCs, but because in endless crowds of people everyone surrounding you becomes just a meaningless number.
Which doesn't seem to happen in country life.

But yes, seems like there is more availability for social activities, i would personally not sacrifice the freedom of being alone in a vast place for that though.

>>19085574
yeah new york is getting pretty gay now
all the restaurants in manhattan are closing at like 10pm now
bars are still open late but it's not what it used to be

>>19085668
kys theatre fag no one likes you

>>19087101
In America it's just the smoothed out spaces on the map between chains of Wal-Marts running between New York and California. Visit any of these places and they just look like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is about to be filmed there.

Lotta shit flinging going on for what amounts to a personal preference. I tend towards preferring the rural but if you like the city more power to you. I'm definitely more introverted than extroverted so extended visits to the city are draining for me. I find after a week or so that city living has me on edge and I can feel the tension throughout my body.

>>19085470
Good luck seeing one in New York.

>>19085320
It's funny you say that, I heard some very similar sentiments from rural Canadians about Canadian Tire instead of Walmart. They were unhappy that those big stores completely took whatever the small business could offer.

>>19085971
>Cities were/are/will be the centers of cultural, artistic, political and philosophical emancipation
This was written by bug hands that still believes progress is linear, fucking lmao. Yes if I lived in ancient Greek Athens renaissance Italy I would prefer the city to the countryside. This cultural progress is far, far from the case in today's cities. What progress you see in cities today are ugly buildings, swarms of immigrants and homeless people, grotesque postmodern art painted with menstrual blood, monstrous machines such as VR made to pacify and lull people into a hedonistic pleasure based machinary. Politics? Of you mean those puppets that represent democracy that spoute their empty words, amounting to nothing but filth Nd degradation. All in the name of progress

>>19086204
This is my biggest problem with /lit/, while one of the smartest boards with occasional insightful posts in the exploration of ideas, it's also one of the most spiritually dead ones. Probably because most are institutionalized urbanite academicucks, so no wonder. Others are just pathetic young intellectual nihilists who use their mind too much but not their body or soul. A pathetic state of being really

>>19086122
What ambitions? Spending 40 years in a cubicle?

>>19086558
If oxygen were so great we wouldnt be cutting down forests and destroying marine life.

>>19085320
It is because you haven't lived in a city that you think rural life is boring. As someone who has lived 10 years in rural area and another 10 in a city I can confirm that cities are just horrible.

>>19087325
Dont bother, OP is a troll and baiting or is actually a person of the african american persuasion and is afraid of open spaces and white people.

>>19085884
>The only thing people do in cities for fun is drink at bars and eat at restaurants.
Sounds like you just hang out with boring idiots.

>>19086107
>Real gains
Why the fuck would I care about gains that much? Muscle waste away, but the sights I see while engaging my body and mind in nature are forever.

>>19085320
I understand your pain but it's less an issue of rural life and more an issue of American life outside the handful of megalopolis cultural seats that run everything.
I've lived in the rural, suburban, and urban south, each one for years, and they're all dogshit in ways more similar than different. I guarantee you that none of the people calling you soulless have ever walked into a grocery store in a county where that's the single largest structure and seen the kinds of walking husks that inhabit it, each on the verge of collapsing from an age-, obesity-, or meth-induced heart attack. These places are miserable.

Anyone that prefers the country to the city is an incel that is full of resentment for people.

>>19087457
>Muh pretty stars and trees
You are such a retard faggot. Anyone that has been in nature knows that it fucking sucks.
And gaining muscle and strength is one of the best things you can do for your health. Also he was the one that was talking about exercise.

>>19086073
this but unironically.

>>19087690
Being an incel is based though

>>19085470
>be alive in 2021
>drive / uber
>go where you want, some gay Shakespeare play / nice restaurant / 6 flags / idfk what ever you like to do retard
>come back home to the country and not be around dirty rotten city niggers

sounds like a win to me

>>19087690
You get to know more people in the country that in the city, how many of the people you saw in the market do you remember?
I know everyone i get to see to an extent, cityfags can't remember more than 40 persons

>>19085527
THIS

>>19087699
>Anyone that has been in nature knows that it fucking sucks.
Speak for yourself, nigger.

>>19085320
Imagine wanting to live in a suburb surrounded by fake morons and skater kids living in plastic houses or, worse, living in a city with blacks.

Rural life is romanticized because its the proper way to live. A simple life. Being close to nature. Being self sustainable. No literature about living in a city is about anything other than utter degeneracy and postmodern identity crises related to being one ant in a colony of millions.

Kys.

I will never stop looking at country "people" as anything but disdainful, ignorant, and tasteless bumpkins that have no clue about anything because this is the truth about them. I have real pity for those that realize that the country is a shit hole and they are wasting their lives there. I hope they can all get the hell out of that wasteland as fast as they can.

>>19087895
Nice thing is that those country people don't particularly care what you think, anon.

>>19085470
>implying you've ever read Shakespeare

>>19086063

>>19086036
That guy was running on cope. He was literally too sick to return to office, cabages were his way of not going insane with boredom. If I'm remembering it right anyway, he gave up ruling the empire due to poor health.

>>19085320
I dream of moving to a nice rural location and being able to walk in nature whenever I want with no eyes on me. Currently living in a suburb and I feel like I'm in captivity due to social anxiety and no true wilderness near me.

the more I read rural vs urban threads on 4chan the more I realize that it's like 30% depressing ruralfag cope and 70% urban NEETs who spend all day on their computers but think reading and regurgitating memes about the bugmen makes them different.

>>19088430
Or much more likely bored losers from pol larping in their parents suburban basements dreaming about the possibility of even being able to come close to either.

>>19086231
he's right though. rural areas are full of child-raping wife-beating porn-addicts.
>>19086280
kino. cities would be perfect without "diversity". the only reason anyone hates cities is that they're full of 'groids.
>can walk to a million different places
>can go outside and see handsome white families with small blond white toddlers and a golden retriever
>no need to own an oil jew
>anything i want i can get
>extremely inexpensive living if you do it right, whereas rural life is nothing but a money hole and something always needs fixing or re-filling
>low stress
>minimalism means a 2 bd condo is plenty to raise a family in, unlike suburban children where the kids all start popping pills and masturbating to tranny porn while living in consoomer dens with 10,000 walmart-purchased items strewn everywhere
>plenty of high paying jobs
>you are giving your kids a great future where they can meet friends without needing a ride from you, can get a job when they're a teenager without needing to drive 1 hour to it, and have amenities like tennis courts and skate rinks and soccer fields around
>best place to meet a spouse, rather than picking from 3 meth-addict single moms in the rural lands, all a 40 minute drive away
>always fresh groceries in walking distance, can cook whatever you want to eat
>close to airport making travel easy and inexpensive
>amtrack stop in my city means domestic travel without a car or plane is convenient and accessible. i can go to a variety of great places and see the countryside from a beautiful american legacy train

>>19088344
doesn’t every high school do at least one Shakespeare play a year?

>>19088476
>blonde hair
>blue eyes
>white
NGMI

>>19088854
literally every high school in America

>>19087790
rural is for bugmen, retard

>>19086847
>implying I'm not stabbing homeless people

I live in a suburb. For fun I drive half an hour into the city and walk around. Theres stores sure, but they're all full of crap that doesnt concern me

>>19087790
Ah yes, here we have the incel who romanticizes rural life. Not everyone is a farmer. Most people in rural towns and cities couldnt even grow a potato. They are all dependent on megacorp grocery stores shipping in a steady supply of products from the city once a week.
And the people are legitimately stupid.

>>19085719

I came from a small beautiful white down and I live among the violent groids. I personally experienced the George Floyd riots. Living in a city is worth it. This is not "cope", I do not "keep telling myself that". Small town life just really is that god-damn miserable.

>>19088967
What the fuck is wrong with you

>>19088994

Nothing at all. For every groid there's five intelligent, interesting people. There are things to do. There are vastly greater job opportunities. You are not surrounded by fat moustachioed women. It's so, so worth it, even factoring in the bullshit.

Not only have I never once considered moving back. I made a conscious decision to move here in the first place, /knowing full well that some race riot shit would be likely to happen in the next few years./ I just didn't expect it to be quite as bad as it was. Doesn't change my calculation a bit. Things would have to get Nadir Detroit bad or 1970s New York bad to make me think about leaving.

>>19088943
walking around the city if really fun

>>19089013
based. everywhere sucks now but fags on here think urban living is especially bad because they're NEET shut-in misanthropes and all their other misanthropic contrarian counterparts on here spend all day posting cherrypicked news articles and twitter screencaps to "explain" to them how the culture and society they avoid works.

>>19089013
>There are things to do.
Like what
>You are not surrounded by fat moustachioed women.
I am in my city

>>19085320
i don't know much about rural America, but rural UK is comfy as balls, grew up in the middle of London where the worst kind of scum fill the streets, it's an absolutely soul crushing experience, moved to the country in my 20's and never been happier, the people are wonderful and i can hike for hours and soak in the beauty of the landscape, city living is a meme as far as I'm concerned

>>19089079

You're living in the wrong area. I live in a city center and there's slim cuties everywhere, and a much lower quotient of hamplanets. But even the chubby women are sometimes fuckable. For true 1s and 0s, you have to go to the sticks-where I originally come from.

American society subsidizes Stacy to live in the city.

>>19089179
So what do you do in the city? Especially that which you couldn't do in a small town?

>>19085971
The fact you say emancipation instead of education or cultivation justt reveals everything. You are the gay hicklib who posts on here about “johnny’s bull” lol

>>19085320
Cities would be great, without niggers.

>>19085470
>Mobile
>country
>nature
Honestly you deserve the absolute shit life that is urbanism

>>19089497
Holly shit I just looked it up and Mobile has a population of 200.000. This guy is retarded if he thinks thats rural. Does he really think theres no theatres?

Therese Desqueyroux is bretty gud

>muh internet
Country spergs once again showing their true colours, reducing interractions to data exchange

>>19085320
>After you have lived here for a while you realize nature fucking sucks.

The same exact thing can be applied to living in a city. I'm sure you are sick of living in the country where nothing really happens, I myself am sick of the city. It's a non-stop, endless fucking attack on all the senses.

>>19086915
Walkability, having the opportunity to chose the people you hang out with and it's way easier to get your thoughts and ideas challenged. Paris is a small village, I miss the close knit feel

VGH, citites suck because they aren't made of MARBLE anymore.
Noooooo how dare poor people exist near me, look how they ruined everything with POSTMODERN (sic) ART. Everyone should be a BASED rich farmer enjoying NATVRE

>>19085671
This guy doesn't sound very bright.

>>19086107
>nature sucks

Weirdo. I guess "bugman" isn't just a meme. Except ants have more soul and I really enjoy watching them when I'm /out/.

>>19090223
Unironically yes

>>19089013
Something is wrong with you or you came from a real shithole. Pic related is where white men are meant to live.

>>19085708
White Noise by Don Delillo

Reminder that no matter where you go, you take yourself with you

>>19086084
Unlike conveyor belt city folk of course.

>>19090610
Anybody who prefers the city has no soul, its simple. Read the people praising urban life in here, they sound EXACTLY like jews. And they will seethe about it (as jews do) but we whites know the country is where we are supposed to be.

>>19090610
It's all fun and games until you turn into a depressed alcoholic in 5 years because that's all there is to do

Why not just live in the woods near the city, then you can get the peace, quiet and nature and just take a trip to the city whenever you want to visit the barcade.

DUDE i just LOVE the tranquility of the country, it’s so PEACEFUL and makes me feel like I'm in one of my favorite HOLDERLIN POEMS. You should totally come on down to my peasant hut, it’s got a HAND PUMP and everything, we can uncork a bottle of Baden wine or three and get into contemplating the question of Being! And dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the library- listen here, right, it’s a library where us PHILOSOPHERS who do PHILOSOPHY can go THINK. BUT!!!! it’s also in the BLACK FOREST like when we were kids, so we can be AUTHENTICALLY CONNECTED TO THE SOIL, without dumb Communist jews bothering us. Speaking of which, Hannah is going to Paris soon - She's being forced to flee the country tomorrow at the border, that way she can avoid persecution and my WIFE doesn't have to find OUT! I’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna TEAR THROUGH THIS BOOK and CRACK open another one!!!

>>19091485
The places in America that used to look like that webm are gone and have been for the better part of a century. You do not live in the country here and never have, you're basing this all on your imagination.
>>19091591
Because of suburban sprawl. There are woods, and there are places near the city, but there are not both. Have you never gotten your own place to live? How fucking old are you people?

>>19091485
Long live the methnostate. Don't forget to enlist since the only other jobs are Walmart and Amazon and college football player

>>19091607
If you live by new york you can move 45 minutes out and live in the woods.

>>19085320
That is because Americans of the South are absolute genetic trash on the level of retarded and violent nigger gangster trash. Even ravens fled from the South of USA because you, bottom of the barrel genetic trash of Europe, keep eating them.

>>19085320
Kaczynski and generally current anarchists (non-anglo, evidently)

>inb4 twenty (you)s from idealists who haven't read kaczynski or anything beyond the manifesto

>>19085671
He's a pseud walker. I can see why this appeals to so much of you. He just repeats the same thing over and over without ever saying why he thinks that way.

>>19089223
Things you can do in a city and not a small town.
>get robbed in broad daylight
>get harassed by homeless
>double check all your locks
>get an authentic mexican to cook your burrito
>listen to your apartment neighbours fight

It's pretty based. I would hate to own my own house and have no neighbours for 3 miles.

>>19092040
I live on 20 acres and all 3 of my neighbors are less than a quarter mile from me and I still double check my locks.

The peace and quiet is nice but otherwise globalism has completely fucked up everything. Small towns are shriveling up and small business is dead

>>19092040
Everytime we have these threads a city fag will say how theres so much to do. I always ask what they do and I never get an answer.
I live in a major metropolitan area. There is nothing to fucking do and I hate the fags who act like the hustle and bustle is anything more than background noise

>>19091607
Yeah where I live in the UK there are comfy, sparsely populated woods and moors 20 minutes drive out of the nearest city.

>>19092836
Can you go to the opera in the country or suburbs?

>>19091645
A 45 minute drive from the dead center of Manhattan will take you nowhere but the dead center of Manhattan. The only place reasonably within reach will land you in a dense suburb at the absolute best because you are, shockingly, not the first person to come up with the idea of getting the benefits of both city and country.

>>19092950
Can you shoot a deer off your back porch in the city? If you think that's a retard argument (it is) I hope you realize how stupid your post is.

Stop basing arguments on things and talk about ideas. You're almost there. You could have said something like large projects requiring dozens of people are impractical when your town only has 2000 people. That would cover everything from the opera to plays to concerts. Instead you just go "durr what about the opera".

It's much more practical to drive in to the city to do something than it is the reverse.

>>19093230
>Can you shoot a deer off your back porch in the city
Yeah

>>19087699
Are you one of those people that are allergic to sunlight and burst into hives?

One of the more convincing arguments for urban life in this thread is that you'll have more people to choose from to fill your social life with. But why move to a city to go to bookclubs filled mostly with fart-sniffing intellectual onanists when you can correspond remotely with people that interest you as has been historically done (and is easier now than ever)? People are uniformly dull, uninteresting, boorish, or ignorant in both urban and rural areas, distinguished only by different tastes and activities.
Besides that, if you move to a big city you will also be forced to interact with a wide variety and a huge number of people you will probably despise. If you want a middle ground you could always move to a college town.
>>19088476
>amtrack stop in my city means domestic travel without a car or plane is convenient and accessible. i can go to a variety of great places and see the countryside from a beautiful american legacy train
Amtrak trains are filthy and serve awful food. Amish and black people take them because they're cheaper than flights but not by much, you'll spend $100 to go from Chicago to New York. The only countryside you'll see is Bob's corn farm next to Interstate 80 in Ohio.

The country and the city suffer from the same problems nowadays. Instead of being nurtured and developed by local wealth, wealth is now globalized and abstracted and all lands, peoples, and places are stripped down and simplified to justify being as commodifiable as possible - for rural areas this means corporations buy all the land and make people shop at walmart. in cities the nature is different buts till pervasive. Culture and true governance are absent and replaced by continuous pleasure-seeking and status-chasing because everyone's wallet belongs to abstract entities that don't give a shit about you or where you live other than earning money from it.

>>19085470
i have actually seen such in the deep south but not in new york

>>19093026
>A 45 minute drive from the dead center of Manhattan will take you nowhere but the dead center of Manhattan
>tfw you are lost in Manhattan and can never escape
Books for this feel?

>>19091607
visit a national park sometime, especially yosemite. the valley is remarkably similar to that webm, and yes people live there. those are the types of places a fella could be at peace forever

>>19094001
People don't really live in American national parks, not as private, lifetime citizens anyway. I spent many years living in Yellowstone but it was always as an employee. Few people live there year-round and they are all working for the park in some capacity. People live in the gateway towns but that's not the same.

>>19093706
>guy who thinks all people are worthless doesn't see the value in being around people
Talking to people online is shite.

>>19094021
i happened to pass through Wawona a few times, spoke to a good few people there and nearly every one of them was a private, lifetime (well, as much as any place you live is a lifetime residence) citizen. don't know if that's what you mean by gateway town, but it was in the park proper and near every home i saw was within walking distance of some beautiful trails

>>19091038
Based anon speaking the real truth.

>>19091038
Oh yeah? Watch this.

>>19091546
I'm a depressed alcoholic in the city because theres nothing else to do

>>19093706
>But why move to a city to go to bookclubs filled mostly with fart-sniffing intellectual onanists when you can correspond remotely with people that interest you as has been historically done (and is easier now than ever)?
Agree. I hope that zoom meetups and other ways to chat over video keep growing and people make legitimate friends or acquantainces that way. You can't make a friend over text but when you can see them and debate, why not?! During the lockdown I've met so many people like that and it's never going to be the real thing but it has many of the fundamental parts.

>>19085320
>>19083173

>>19095734
Fuck off faggot