/lit/ - Literature

>>19104853
Joyce is overrated garbage that we have to pretend he is hot shit because everyone says so. He was the equivalent of a demented man writting ramblings about the crazy shit he thought before getting wasted and shooting heroin.

>>19104936
your partially correct. he was also a highly masterful prosaist and deeply erudite on an extremely large number of topics, and the connection between these and his crackhead ethos is what makes him truly special

>>19104853
So.

He was the shallowest of all the significant modernist writers.

>>19104853
vas j. johnson and his uisce shuns (co.) vased vat he cud beetha drypartite cloven and dewdismally howthed on a chewchoosday, vaptorised on a mundy vodasday, prepucetated on a circuday and fatwas the begending of saulman algateday?

>>19104936
There are plenty of people who don't like Joyce, but the thing is, they can never quite articulate what it is that makes him so objectively bad without resorting to some vague implication that he isn't worth the effort, or some dated formalism. Thats your choice. Either you're filtered, or you have the literary sensibilities of someone who hasn't read past Dickens. I have yet to encounter exceptions. Even if you don't care about Ireland, even if you don't care about his experimentation, Joyce has produced some of the finest sounding prose in the English language. If you think you're the one to finally show me why I shouldn't like Joyce, feel free to give me your best reasons.

>>19104936
>that we have to pretend he is hot shit because everyone says so
Jesus fucking christ again with this shit. Why are you acting like everyone is pretending to like something?

>>19105107
I like you

>>19104936
Overrated by whom?

What "crazy shit" did Joyce think and reproduce in his books?

>>19104984
What do you mean by "crackhead ethos"?

>>19105007
How do you mean? Compared to whom?

>>19104853
No, he was way more based than that.

>>19104936
You cannot read.

>>19105164
Based Shelley poster. Hope you crosspost to /film/

>>19105107
Honestly, this argument applies to any author, even Gardner.

>>19105560
Are the typos (beginning on the first page) intentional? Is it like the spam emails with bad grammar to filter for only the dullest people?

>>19105762
I, don't know. You have, to,... consult, the style

>>19105818
At least with organic, non-forced memes, like Tundra... the badness is at least mixed in with in jokes and postmodern garbling and cracks.

Now that this idiot's book has been uploaded and we can all read it, the joke is over, it's just blah garbage that isn't interesting, funny, or even at the very least coherently written. Sad!

>>19104989
Butterfly butterfly shit on my dick
Butterfly butterfly shit on it quick
Suck on my dick and i'll make you my whore,
But if you really start wanting some more
Then kidnap and rape me until i'm aware
That never I'll exit your underground lair.
If you allow me one chance at a kiss
I'll dedicate decades to drinking your piss.
<3 :3

>>19106661
Joyce would approve bb <3

>>19106661
don't have sex

>>19106661
the last line is good

>>19106741
>>19106717
Haters

>>19104853
Based on what?

Just finished up Dubliners. I think it's fine but I don't see why it's so praised on /lit/. I liked Counterparts, Grace, and A Painful Case quite a lot. I get that it's more "atmospheric" then plot driven but half of the stories were so boring and mondane. The worst one imo has to be Clay.

>>19106948
If JAAJ had only written Dubliners and Portrait, he wouldn't be remembered as a genius. 80% of his reputation as a master is based in Ulysses.

>>19106948
>reading for plot

>>19107327
At least one or two battles would have made it better imo

>>19104853
i never knew how much i looked like him. might actually read this nigga now

>>19107695
.......

bump

>>19104853
>write about his scat fetish in love letters
>write a fucking vomit of a book and people call it his magnum opus
YES

>>19104853
>Joyce
Literally who?

>>19110189
'James Joyce' 'Smart Kid'....https://youtu.be/c5HiKHy2Qm4?t=24

>>19108657
All of this is almost..... kind of..... quite... JOYCEAN

>>19110297
Betwixt that of the idea of the mother... the momentary lapse of cordiality... the remembrance of death.. the momento mori... i think it's safe to say it IS! JOYCEAN!

>>19107643
Based

>>19107643
Well, he had a sort of in "Counterparts"

>>19110335
Imagine a battle in Two Gentlemen. Imagine the two boys kicking the shit out of the pedo, Indian style, in An Encounter. Imagine Little Chandler autistically, but nonetheless pitifully, going postal on Gallahar while he cringes in A Little Cloud.

"I Don't Want To Be A Product Of My Environment. I Want My Environment To Be A Product Of Me." - E.P.

>>19104936
>ramblings
it's amazing how a single word can scream "I have not read the guy I'm talking shit about" so accurately.

>>19110407
I'm thinking of like potatoes getting speared into wood doors, people sobbing and screaming, anarchist bombs blowing up statues...

>>19106661
>>19106708
Have lots of sex

>>19104853

>>19110473
hehe good one

>>19111379
it's irrefutable.
the people who say it's "ramblings" or "incoherent" have not read him, at all.
Dubliners is extremely straightfoward, written in a "traditional" manner with exceptional quality. Almost the same thing can be said about Portrait, and even going into Ulysses, it's not at all that hard to comprehend, at least at a foundamental level.