/lit/ - Literature

>>19135167
you arent paying attention to physics and math

>>19135167
Because your stupid.

>>19135167
>the most important thinkers are what's called "black-pill looks theorists"
This is not at all true and mostly reflects the company you keep

>>19135204
>your stupid
haha retard you played yourself

>>19135167
Look at science and technology to see where all the progress is being made. AI/ML is a thing now, don’t you see how insane that is? As for cultural works, much of the brainpower is in media like film and even video games. Literature needs to up its game.

>>19135178
>>19135303

thanks anons thats where the innovation is at these days, good point.
has art become irrelavent?

>>19135321
no, art just needs to catch up. the best artists of the past i.e. DaVinci were all polymath geniuses.

>>19135321
Culture is always downstream of technology, it’ll catch up soon enough.

>>19135167
The soil, which is used to grow and produce great art, poetry, and literature is tired and devoid of nutrients.

In other words, our world is stale and increasingly devoid of cultural soil. You can have a world as museum or as shopping mall, but you can’t have both and you can’t have any alternatives.

>>19135167
>collectively created the most important movement in the past 60 odd years.
You're dumb. It's just an extra-scholastic branch of critical theory, critical sex theory. The only innovation is replacing class, race, gender, etc. with 'access to sex.' And the only fiction or art arguably yielded from this movement is Houllebecq, especially his Whatever, which spells it out for you that you'll never be anyone's high school sweetheart but will have to live out your days anyway.

>>19135352
i like how you phrase it anon it in that first sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TI1735XRik

>>19135362
don't be derogatory your probably a fantano /mu/ drone studying liberal arts

>>19135167
Literature is virtually a dead medium at this point.
The traditional plastic arts hit their natural endpoint when they decided that anything anyone makes or does can be art. They actively eschew the idea there could be such a thing as aesthetic innovation, or that there is any standard for judging art and artists beyond their political commitments.
Philosophers are little more than paid state propaganda agents at this point, producing such riveting treatises as “Why Removing Confederate Monuments Is A Good Thing” and “A Justification For Restrictions On Individual Liberties During The COVID-19 Pandemic”.
Basically it’s a matter of old forms and institutions wearing themselves out and running out of resources for innovation, as everything does with time, and also Western culture more broadly entering a phase where it’s becoming more totalitarian and more hostile to any criticism of the status quo.
I personally think there are opportunities for innovation in video games and animation, but these mediums require such a massive investment of time and resources that it’s harder for a lone weirdo with iconoclastic ideas to produce his masterpiece.

>>19135406
Don't call things "the most important x of the last y years" what are you some schlocky journalist or advertising drone. It's dumb and prententious.

>>19135303
>AI/ML is a thing now, don’t you see how insane that is?
What exactly is so insane about it? Artificial neural networks have been a thing since the 1950s, the only thing that's changed in recent years is that computers are now powerful enough for them to have some consumer applications. And that of course allows tech companies to market their products as AI since most people have no idea what that actually means but it sounds cool.

i'll be honest, the future of art lies in AI generated shit

Well let me ask you this OP, how many works we consider as classics today only gained traction decades after being published, and sometimes only after their authors were long dead.
as for your issue with those e-celeb intellectuals, this has always been a problem since the democratization of television, do you realize how many self help grifters gained traction in the same way as people like Peterson or Shapiro throughout the years? the latter are just a new breed since they're primarily focused on social media

>>19135536
AI relies on us for both input and appraisal of its "art." It will eventually become a genre or school, a very technical one at that, since it is really a human using AI as a paintbrush.

>>19135567
I see what your saying, but it doesn't feel like thats what's happening here. all mediums are stuck in the past. no new genres of note. I dunno its just a feeling.

>>19135303
>AI/ML
HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THAT IT PREDICTS THE PATTERN WE FEED IT, THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING CALL MUSK

>>19135167
All of you fags are going to laugh at me but the cool shit has been happening in Photography. Which a took turn towards traditional book publishing and started shitting out cool photobooks. Contemporary photography is genuinely going great and there is much to explore.

Checkout:

Halo by Rinko Kawauchi
White Night by Feng Li
Grays the Mountain Sends by Bryan Schutmaat
Tokyo Compression Three by Michael Wolf

>>19135677
>all mediums
well that certainly isn't the case for music, I can't speak for film as I barely watch any but I'm sure there are some obscure experimental directors around that only see the light in niche film festivals.

because youre culturally unaware and destined to live decades in the past until the experts tell you what was good and you can move forward a decade, but always always you are stuck in the past behind the culture unaware of the avant-garde all alone.

>>19135303
>Look at science and technology to see where all the progress is being made.

>>19135705
>Halo by Rinko Kawauchi
bland. repetitive
>White Night by Feng Li
good. like it.
> Grays the Mountain Sends by Bryan Schutmaat
exceptional. invokes romanticist art but after the defeat of nature by man not during the battle.
> Tokyo Compression Three by Michael Wolf
alright i guess

>>19135167
>black pill looks
Incels? motherfucker

>>19135705
Faghot

>>19135167
Because you don't read and are probably less than 25, which means you have a vary vague understanding of anything that has been in "decades", considering that in those decades you were a kid watching cartoons

>>19137208
twitters brainwashed you.

>>19135167
Vargas-Llosa, Krasznahorkai, Lobo Antunes, Javier Marias, Vila Matas, Jon Fosse, Peter Handke, Cormac McCarthy, Thomas Pynchon, Don DeLillo, Adunis, Anne Carson, Charles Simic...

>but they're all old

Yes, writers take decades to establish themselves and acquire international fame. It has always been like this. You won't hear of them before they 50 or 60, unless you go actively searching for their names, or they write a big best-seller like Knausgaard.

>>19137264
alright, point taken

>>19137246
I'm not saying they're wrong and the only social media I use is 4chin. But I don't understand how/why can people think that "the most important thinkers" are black-pill looks theorists.

>>19135167
The fact you are paying attention to them at all is pretty fucking sad.
>Important thinkers
You fucking retard, they aren't even talking about anything a fucking 5th grader wouldn't know.

>>19135167
>why, across all mediums, does it feel like nothing noteworthy has been produced in decades?
Decadent complacency, and nihilistic pusillanimity.

The idea(l) comprises its concepts, and surprises its conceptions; the importance of newness consists in emergency of originality, the artistic realization of which requires profound effort; it is a problem of underestimating, and/or of perverting, the supernovel creative potential of the soul into materialistic superbia, rather than sublimating it through martialistic humility.

>>19135303
>much of the brainpower is in media like film and even video games
I don't know how anyone who pays attention to either film or games can think this, both mediums are dominated by total fucking retards with no creativity.

>>19135167
Last night I got fucked up on Dollar Tree cough medicine and hallucinated that I was Sam Hyde. Let me tell you: it was hell on earth. I was Sam, gibbering in toungues and repeatedly dropping a big fat stank-ass deuce into my filthy Trex costume. At the same time, I was surrounded by giant Sam Hyde heads, making retarded faces and sneering at me and repeating unfunny obnoxious quotes from MDE Presents: World Peace. It really gave me some perspective on what it must be like to be Sam: a sad, scary, angry, unfunny clown, scam artist, sexual predator, and possible mass murderer, drugged out of his mind and trapped in a hall of mirrors with diarrhea running down his legs.

>>19135303
>AI/ML is a thing now, don’t you see how insane that is?

It is not. The needle has barely been pushed from the 90s.

>>19135167
1. Pop culture has pushed money at more industrial, studio-based forms -- TV, movies, pop music -- and away from solo acts -- novelists, painters, jazz musicians.
2. The MFA has turned most fields of art into domesticated, academic occupations. Most practicing artists rely on unis for major bills. They get those jobs by playing artworld politics, and they keep them by making their art safe and merely challenging on safe issues, IE race or LGBT stuff.

>>19135167
I unironically believe that this is intentional. I think part of the obvious, global psyop being conducted against humanity, has been to "defang" art so to speak. Art can galvanize the spirit of a people more than anything else, this has been known since the ancients. So, they just produce soulless crap to prevent that from happening. It is on purpose. The quality of art is equivalent to the current quality of the spirit/soul.

>>19135167
>I'm not entertaining the thought of Jewish involvement and don't see color or IQ so please keep that out of the discussion.
Then youre pissing in the wind