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>> No.19391838
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First for Paolini superiority

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>>19391825
>cultural revolution-esque struggle sessions with fucking rockmen
so this is the power of reverend insanity huh.... not bad

>> No.19391982

I've yet to see a piece of chink fiction shilled here that doesn't read like an ESL third grader's drivel

>> No.19392039
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>Silver Age Sci Fi

>> No.19392052

>>19391982
Chinese is a caveman language
>I want eat rice
>I thought you
>You are /lit/ pseud

>> No.19392073

>>19392052
Based, fuck determiners.

>> No.19392191

Guys, someone here recommended a fantasy book series that was started in the 1980s or 1990s and has serveral entries and still is not completed with one book left in the series that has been promised for 20 years.
The author is an old boomer that gives semi-regular updates on facebook, I think the last update was during the pandemic about the final book coming soon - does anyone know the book series?
It has knights in black armour on the cover.

>> No.19392205

>>19391831
Fuck Bakker for spoiled fantasy for me

>> No.19392216

any comfy-sci that center around the male aesthetic and men sticking together to become supremely sexy to women, because men sticking together creates something similar to the cheerleader effect. it is a dangerous discovery that if men constantly stick by each other they become extremely attractive. and the theme is the sexual disruption parallel to normal sexual relationships within society, a hidden realm where men are with each other for the profiteering of eggloads.

>> No.19392227

>>19392216
ah, a fellow /fit/izen

>> No.19392240

>>19392052
>>I want eat rice
Better than Japanese
>As for rice, want-to-eat [adjective] (is in relation to me (implied))

>> No.19392325

>>19391831
guys, not a sci-fi fan here

but are there any actually good SolarPunk stories?
The idea seems fine, but it looks like the genre is poorly explored.

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>>19392325

>> No.19392598

>>19390920
Yah, it was fairly boomer. Easy reading.

>> No.19392612
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>>19392325
???

>> No.19392733

Fantasy books for Children who read at the middle school/high school level besides Tolkien?

>> No.19392758

>>19392733
all fantasy books are for children

>> No.19392844

>>19392733
The redwall series by Brian Jacques. Also the Chronicles of Narnia.

>> No.19392980

>>19392733
deltora quest is really good for kids, has great ideas and worldbuilding etc, only the prose is basic

also garth nix stuff is good

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>>19392332
>>19392612
>Solarpunk is a genre and art movement that envisions how the future might look if humanity succeeded in solving major contemporary challenges with an emphasis on sustainability, climate change and pollution. It is a subgenre within science fiction, aligned with cyberpunk derivatives, and may borrow elements from utopian and fantasy genres. Contrasted to cyberpunk's use of a dark aesthetic with characters marginalized or subsumed by technology in settings that illustrate artificial and domineering built environments, solarpunk uses settings where technology enables humanity to sustainably co-exist with its environment with aesthetics,

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>>19393019
And by what I've read, Kim Stanley Robinson is considered one of major names in the movement with his Mars trilogy, where there is a process of terraforming Mars

Never read it tho

>> No.19393069

>>19393019
Utopian fiction generally tends to be boring since stories are built on conflict and there are much more opportunities for all kinds of conflict in dystopian or just normal state setting than utopian one. That is, unless author tries to explore implications of what will utopian environment do to human nature and will it really be utopian in the end.

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>>19393069
I completely agree with you, and that's why the genry is poorly explored. It doesn't have a conflict.

But there are some contests for SolarPunk stories and I was thinking of producing some of my own. I was thinking of doing some sort of conflict between two societies, both of them trying to be according to nature but having different political views.
Such as religious transcendentalists being thrown in the margins of a planned-economy society, calling them primitivists and counter-progress. Thus, it would create a debate over who gets to decide what society should be like and wether if democracy is comptible with planned societies.

>> No.19393179

>>19393019
Strugatsky brothers' Noon universe might be close to what you want.

>> No.19393194

>>19393173
>It doesn't have a conflict.
The conflicts, at least in the anthologies I’ve read, center around rebuilding an ecologically sustainable society from the scarred earth and ruins of industrial capitalism. That’s a pretty big conflict and offers a lot of interesting stories

>> No.19393202

>>19393194
I personally find it boring.

>> No.19393228

>>19392052
>>19391982
don't forget their ridiculous ten million virtually identical ping pong ching chong small dong names

>> No.19393482

>>19393228
you kind of get used to it

>> No.19393533

>>19393482
I can hardly tolerate reading literature with French names, I am not going to get used to seeing Cixi Liuqiu Xiaofengdong talking to Liao Shenlong Fuwei about Pipi Pupu sprayed over pages of a SF or fantasy story

>> No.19393536

>>19393533
based

>> No.19393552

>>19392733
Narnia, Prydain

>> No.19393564

>>19392216
The original Star Trek

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19393582

Kneel.

>> No.19393606

I can't help but shake the feeling that all the talk of "plans within plans" and "feints within feints" is basically a self flattering lie, even organizations as powerful and old as the Bene Gessirit and the Bene Tlaxl are basically improvising and spitballing all the time despite the pretense, same with Paul and Alia despite having future vision.

>> No.19393748

https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1636207486015.webm

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I'm reading Nightside of the Long Sun right now, good so far, quite based, quite catholic
It's probably not going to be as good as BotNS, but I'm enjoying

Any thoughts on Long Sun as a whole? Does it get worse/ better, what is the gap to New Sun quality wise?
Short Sun good?

>> No.19393965

why call it a yaksh when you can just call it a yurt

>> No.19394011

>>19393965
Because fantasy readers desire """worldbuilding""" from their pseudo DnD manuals

>> No.19394097

>>19393582
steven erikson is a hack and a shit writer

>> No.19394144

>>19391831
>Check out SciFi book
>Author is retard who hasn't written a single line of code in his life, has never studied anything past high school physics and has spent the last 20 years working as a journalist, photographer, and ecological consultant
>Is hailed by low IQ nerds who can't do actual science as a Messiah that understands the dangers of technology better than anyone else
>His books are about humans "just evolving bro!" to have psychic powers that break all laws of physics and are somehow able to overthrow machines who for some reason want to "enslave humanity bro!" (classic technologically illiterate mistake of assigning AI human emotions when it doesn't have to be that way)
>Doesn't even understand how evolution works
>Writing is dogshit
>Mfw normies were right all along for laughing at the high school dorks who actually liked this shit

>> No.19394152

>>19394144
Science Fiction is only good when it's Fantasy but in space.
Don't (You) me.

>> No.19394198

>>19394152
(You)

>> No.19394201

>>19394152
There I agree with (You)

>> No.19394270

>>19393845
I really enjoyed the first book, however the plot gets pretty slow in the latter books once they get stuck in a tunnel, and the final book definitely feels rushed. Short sun is much better, but not as good as BOTNS, I'd say.

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Just finished Piranesi. It's easily one of the best books I've read that were released in the past decade. It's nice and short, and I quite enjoyed the writing style.

>> No.19394493

>>19392205
>Bakker

Are his books really good? Is he like B sanderson because I dislike sanderson very much.

>> No.19394573

>>19394144
‘Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.’
Maybe try actually reading, you about retard.

>> No.19394579

>>19394298
> written by a women
Dropped.

>> No.19394592

>>19391831
I'm looking for adventure series to read. Like archaeologists exploring old tombs and evading deadly traps. Does anyone know any here? Otherwise I'll try my hand at outerlit but I don't have much hope.

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>read book
>go check amazon reviews after I finish
>numerous highly voted 1-star reviews because of "unnecessary rape and pedophilia"
>this is in reference to a scene where an antagnoist is depicted having a slave harem which includes 15 year old girls

I hate normies so fucking much its unbelievable

>> No.19394647

>>19394615
name and more books like that?

>> No.19394821

>>19394615
> >go check amazon reviews
There's your problem.

>> No.19394920

>>19394615
how do they know it was unnecessary?

>> No.19395001

>>19394144
SciFi is literally just fantasy with a futuristic aesthetic. It always comes down to a piece of '''technology''' just magically doing what should be impossible becuz author fiat.

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>>19394615
*sniff* *sniff*
Fee-fi-fo-fum,
I smell the blood of animefag-scum.

>> No.19395113

recommend book that are non-pozzed, non-sjw, non-anime, non-troon, non-ESL, non-chink, non-third world, non-lesbian, non-women, non-unbased

>> No.19395119

>>19395113
The Darkness That Comes Before is the most non-unbased book ever

>> No.19395132

>>19394493
he's like the complete opposite of sanderson.

>> No.19395138

>>19393023
>red green blue
i get it!

>> No.19395146

>>19395132
Exactly, Sanderson is on the extreme end of non-based, Bakker is on the other end being a non-unbased writer with non-women/non-sjw characteristics.

>> No.19395148

>>19395146
okay schizo.

>> No.19395167

>>19395148
You can't deny the fact of Bakker being the most non-unbased writer in /sffg/'s history, we all know there can be only one non-pozzed, non-sjw, non-anime and non-troon writer and its Bakker.

>> No.19395170

>One cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten
Is this the best hook to fantasy novel ever?

>> No.19395187

>>19395170
Yes because its non-pozzed and non-sjw

>> No.19395292

how is bakker's lexicon so compelling? sometimes i whisper the words out loud while reading just for the sheer pleasure of pronouncing them.

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>>19395167
Bakkershills get the rope

>> No.19395325

does anyone have the coldsteel kellhus edit

>> No.19395383

>>19394573
>DUNEtard cope

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finally read Horus Rising and holy fuck does erebus need to fucking die hard
what do i read now to wash away this sickening taste of heresy?

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>>19392216
Start with the Greeks. Men stuck together then and they conquered the world.

>> No.19395492

>>19395132
How so? why is he based?

>> No.19395522

>>19394493
I got memed into Bakker and sort of went into it looking to hate read it as Reddit trash but it was actually good. Good enough that I kept reading and finished it.

Wish I had something else like it actually. Is Malazan good? I've heard that compared to it.

>> No.19395527

>>19395479
The HH is amazing but theres other stuff like Eisenhorn and gaunt ghosts. The problem with the most recent 40k books is that they are full of stronk independent wymen it detracts a lot of the enjoyment.

My favourite HH books are flight of the eisenstein, prospero burns, know no fear, fear to tread, scars , pharros, the path of heaven.

>> No.19395623

>>19395522
I read online that to understand book 1 you have to read book 2 and 3. The author dont give any background on what is happening, he just writes a bunch of scenes without explaining anything. But I did not read it myself.

>> No.19395646

>>19395522
No, it's time wasting garbage
>you just have to get through the first book
>first book is longer than botns

>> No.19395679

recommend non-reddit, non-trash books

>> No.19395684

>>19395679
The Darkness That Comes Before

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My story with King Bakker

>I got memed into it by /sffg/
>expected it to be reddit trash
>dive in
>it was actually good
>so good I finished it

>> No.19395706

>>19395701
stunning and brave, he actually finished it

>> No.19395708

>>19395701
cucumboids will never know this feeling

>> No.19395772

>>19392240
Ehm... this is not how Japanese works.

Depending on context, your personal style, the person you are talking to, and the person you are talking about, literally everything can change.

It can go from
>Rice eat
to
>[*Name of the person*][subject marker] Rice[object marker] {eat}("eat" is in a different form, depending on all the honorifics japan has and can go from humbly saying that "your dirty peasant ass is eating in a very low position" to "may honored professor is giving us the rare perfection of allowing us dirty peasants to talk about him eating")

In playin Japanese
1. The very casual way of saying eating rice (assuming the person doesn't know that you eat rice)
>米食べる
2. The ultra hardcore way of going full autist and trying to show what a cuck you are in regards to your god-like professor and having the honor of talking about him eating rice.
>先生はお米をご召し上がると思っていらっしゃいます。

Both can mean literally the same thing, but in the first case you were just saying as little as possible while in the second case you where literally liking your Sensei's honorable ass.

Japanese is much more complex than the beginner textbooks tell you. Japanese is not very hard in itself, but you really have to invest a lot of time to simply learn the full autism.

>> No.19395802

>>19394144
You're not supposed to read the Brian Herbert ones

>> No.19395834

>>19395325
Does it exist? I was thinking on making one, but idea of it is so obvious and asking to be made someone probably did already.

>> No.19395838

>>19395834
I swear I saw it once

>> No.19395854
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>>19394592
Anyone?

>> No.19395855

rice wo kudasai

>> No.19396042

>>19395854
Sorry mate. Closest thing I can think of is Rendezvous with Rama by Asimov.

>> No.19396060

>>19391982
This, and fuck anyone who thinks the three body problem is good.

>> No.19396088

Can someone jog my memory, please? How did Paul threatened the guild to destroy the production of spice at the end of the first Dune book? I remember it was something about disturbing the delicate balance in the ecosystem, and that worms die if they are submerged and drowned, but its clearly impossible to drown every single worm in Arrakis, so it had to be something else...

>> No.19396143

>>19395854
H. Rider Haggard.

>> No.19396361

>>19394592
That's probably more like a short fiction idea.

>> No.19396492

>>19394592
they made like 20 Indiana Jones novels that have nothing to do with the movies

>> No.19396498

>>19391831
All /sffg/fags must hang

>> No.19396532

>>19394615
tell us the book anon

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>>19395167

>> No.19396620

>>19396498
yes daddy, hang me with your cock

>> No.19396646

>>19396498
Don’t worry, I’m planning to on thanksgiving. At the very least I will be home.

>> No.19396776

>>19391951
holy shit look at that cat guys wtf

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You could write a novel just as good as one of Will Wight's but you won't.

>> No.19396783

>>19396088
Basically in the far south, where nobody from the empire ever goes, there is a giant pre-spice mass which serves as the hub of the Sandworm species, somehow. If they flood it, every sandworm who migrates there will drown, and the spice will end.
Or I read it wrong. Idk, I don't use wikis

>> No.19396788

>>19396776
He fatass

>> No.19396793

>>19396778
I talked about doing so but an anon told me to kill myself. Maybe it was Will though idk

>> No.19396813

>>19392216
real schizo hours who up

>> No.19396827

>>19396783
I thought only the little makers dealt with the pre-spice mass and the worms fed on micro-organism it filtered from sand, like whales do with water.

>> No.19396842

>>19393019
some nog on youtube who bangs on about black supremacy talks about this shit, honestly its a cucks genre.

>> No.19397015

about halfway through the trilogy and i feel like bakker has taught me a lot about women

>> No.19397049

>>19392191
Maybe the Runelords by David Farland? Havent read it so I dont know if its worth reading.

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Started reading this, it's okay, but the prose leaves much to be desired

>>19393845
Short Sun is better, but only with the added context of Long Sun

>>19393173
Calling it a genre is a stretch

>> No.19397366

>>19395772
Reread my post please. The sentence was that I WANT to eat rice, i.e. using the word 食べたい, which is an adjective. For example you can say
>お米が食べたいです
が marks rice as the subject, です (or だ, either of which could be omitted) notes that the rice "is" 食べたい, which is an adjective due to the ending -たい. So the rice is "want-to-eat" [adjective]. This is indeed how Japanese works, thank you.

>> No.19397467

books like Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous?

>> No.19397528

>>19392980
>also garth nix stuff
Not the newest stuff though. Stick to Abhorsen / 7 Towers / Keys to the Kingdom.

>> No.19397607

>>19393606
How much credence do you want to lend to the idea that there's a real difference between aiming for a specific future and then re-aiming as someone else pivots the timeline, vs aiming for a set of good futures and not knowing of the ones within aim that you didn't get?
If you want to paint a picture of the future being an infinite set of branching paths, then either that is no different from my real life ability to see 3 seconds into the future fairly accurately, or it's enabled non deterministic decision making (ie you can spot a future, then peer through it's past giving you a course of action guaranteed to lead to that outcome; aka you can guess right every time, so just guess every decision).

>> No.19397615

>>19394097
But that didn't stop him from writing good books. Learn.

>> No.19397628

>>19394298
I dropped it a fair way in.
There's no hook whatsoever, and nothing happens.
I think you've missed the point of reading entirely.

>> No.19397836

Uncrowned is kinda boring, no real stakes and the tournament setup is usually a much earlier arc in xianxia.

Even though the first 2 books aren't brilliant I was really high on early cradle because it had great pacing vs the chinese webnovels it was copying but now it's dipping a bit lower in my estimation.

>> No.19398354

>>19391838
kek at the thought of somebody marrying a fat slag with another man's face tattooed on her thigh

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Is there any reason for me to keep reading Galaxis by Stephen Baxter? I liked Evolution a lot, heard Xeelee was good, tried this standalone. I'm half way through and the moralistic posturing has stamped out nearly all the curiosity I had about the event. Should I just look up the end?

>> No.19398671

>>19394298
I liked the atmosphere but felt the story didn't really live up to it.

>> No.19398690

>>19392191
I know a sci-fi series like that: The War Against the Chtorr

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Are there any dystopian scifi/cyberpunk books that explore the militarization/feudalization of corporations? Kind of like the Dune houses, but set around our current timeline like Neuromancer. I want my McKillsquads and burger king commando fix.

>> No.19398819

>>19398796
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

>> No.19398829

>>19398819
Thanks, I'll give it a look.

>> No.19398843

>>19398819
Ok after reading the first page, this is exactly what I was looking for. Fucking based.

>> No.19398854

>>19398843
Happy to help

>> No.19398859

>>19398607
What kind of moralizing does he do?

>> No.19398895

>>19398859
The usual. Every character is pointedly two of brown, female and gay, they constantly bemoan the horror of climate change, little asides to tell us how evil james cook and slavery were. It goes on and on. At first it seemed he would be content with just the characters but it doesn't stop.

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>>19397836
Uncrowned and Bloodline have a lot of haters. At least Wintersteel is kino. Reaper was quite good too, although by the end it's just a setup for the final 2 novels.

>> No.19399841

>>19399756
I liked bloodline but the more I read of cradle the more I think Wight doesn't get what makes good xianxia good
He gets the appeal of the genre as a whole, but hasn't captured any of the stuff that makes the better works in the genre standout. I think the other western authors have a better grip on this which is somewhat ironic because Tao Wong sucks and his series took like 4 books to get vaguely interesting

>> No.19399854

Am I supposed to regularly cross-reference the terminology section in Dune?

>> No.19399904

>>19399841
What other western xianxia authors?

>> No.19399966

>>19399904
Sarah Lin, Tao Wong and the Forge of Destiny author are the ones I've read.
I'd only actually recommend the first one.

>> No.19400047

>>19399854
It comes with a glossary now?

>> No.19400090

fuck you all /sffg/

>> No.19400105

>>19399854
Actually yes.
My version seemed to have word replaces most of the nonsense though, so it was entirely unnecessary. You just got Muad'Dib and the like.

>> No.19400116

>>19400105
>have word replaces most
Never mind, I must have just imagined I have the ability to read.

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I made this for you /sffg/ over 6 gorillion years in mspaint

>> No.19400170

Just finished Aching God pacing overall is ok a few fumbles but ends on a very strong would recommend. Hopefully the books in the series or as good or better.

>> No.19400181

>>19398819
I bought it blindly off of your post, anon. Don’t let me down >:(

>> No.19400212

>>19392733
bartimaeus trilogy

>> No.19400228

>>19398843
What's the first page? I wanna see it myself

>> No.19400229

>>19395479
ive read a few excerpts from warhammer books and the writing just seemed absolutely dreadful. I know there are a lot but is horus heresy actually decent or is it just horribly written garbage that people eat up because theyre fans of the warhammer universe?

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I unironically started reading the Second Apocalypse. 3/4ths through the Darkness that comes before and I'm begging Inri Sejenus to take Drusas Achamian fro this sinful earth and into the Outside, away from the narrative and specifically the role of a POV character. He's sch an insufferable bitching miserable cuckolded deluded overburdened complainer of a character that it's unreal. I'd take three chapters of Esmenet being physiologically incapable of breathing for two hours without a dick infusion over one more sentence of Achamian suffering in the remembrance of past guilt and reflection over ongoing failures.

Does it become better as shit rolls downhill, bros?

>> No.19400239

>>19400181
I won't. It's paper worthy af

>> No.19400249
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>>19399841
what are the better works of the genre in your opinion?

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>>19400228

>> No.19400305

Why didn't Consult introduce Seswatha to Inverse fire while they held him captive? The man basically solo'd entire Apocalypse, he'd likely have not been so enthusiastic about that if he was shown what kind of reward gods prepared to him for saving the world. Same for any sorcerer really, don't know why Consult has so few of them at their disposal when all they need to do is grab them somehow and show them that shit, there are no logical reason for sorcerer who knows full picture to not want Consult victory.

>> No.19400325

>tfw you will never experience the thunder tribulation in this life

>> No.19400336

>>19400249
A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality, Ze Tian Ji (or anything else by Mao Ni) and A Will Eternal for a comedy option
They're the ones that stayed good
Monarch of Evernight and Divine Throne of Primordial Blood have amazing starts but fall off hard.

Big problem with chinese ones is how much they love having cheat items or methods which can ruin the tension if not handled well.

>> No.19400379

>>19400305
The way I understood it, Seswatha was already full on completely insane by that time. He wasn't working on logical reason already. Inverse fire sorta requires a sane, rational person to see how being damned sucks. To Seswatha, many things he already experienced were much worse than an eternity of unimaginable torment.

>> No.19400380

>>19400336
Everyone who stands out from a million cultivators will have had their own opportunities, so cheats aren’t a big deal unless it’s broken

World’s Best Martial Artist is really good, but is only like 1/4 translated
I liked Seized by the System
I liked Seeking the Flying Sword Path
I continue to read Cultivation Chat Group as it is translated, it’s a light hearted fun read
Lots more that I enjoyed too but then it turns into a massive wall of story names

>> No.19400703

>>19394592
Some of the old DnD novels I read as a kid are like this, but you got to ask someone else which ones are not complete trash to read as an adult.

>> No.19400725

>>19400147
good good, I welcome the change from Bakkerposting to better authors

>> No.19400800

>>19398607
I stuck with it and it never got any better.

>> No.19400829

>>19392039
Is lord of the rings silver age fantasy? or do you mean literally silver

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>>19395522
>Is Malazan good?
yes, it just drops you in the deep end with a ton of characters and doesn't hand hold explaining concepts because in universe the people experiencing them either already understand or are as in the dark as the reader. people say the 1st book is bad but i really like it, the books started as the writers d&d campaigns and you can sometimes see the mechanics behind whats happening but it all holds together. better than fucking sanderson, not as good as black company but a lot closer to BC than 2nd apocalypse
>>19395623
thats an exaggeration, the ending of book 1 gets explained fully in the next 2 books but even cold you can still figure out whats happening

>> No.19400883

>>19395854
>>19396042
>Rendezvous with Rama by Asimov.
Arthur C. Clarke and its based, just dont waste your time on the squeals

>> No.19400955

Im gonna make it bros
already i have planned out my first supporting character

>> No.19400974

does anyone have any good short story recs? can be individual short stories or collections

>> No.19400977

>>19400974
silmarillion

>> No.19401022

>>19400305
Seswatha was already mad with hate for the consult. They had destroyed everything he ever cared about.

>> No.19401058

>>19400305
>>19400379
>>19401022
From what I remember he was captured only once, and their intention was to torture him to death. He escaped though. They had no reason to convert him, because they thought their victory was assured. They were pretty much right too, it took a complete freak incident to thwart them.

>> No.19401137

>>19400379
this is not at all accurate. cet'ingjira/mekeritrig says hello

>> No.19401169

>>19393019
So basically modern fantasy.

>> No.19401200

>>19399966
Forge of Destiny peaked with the PE teacher's test, I read like 100 more chapters before finally giving up

>> No.19401248
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Could Tolkien ever hope to craft something even nearly as profound as Elden Ring?

>> No.19401362

>>19400974
Short fiction can be extremely hit or miss in general for each person. An anthology that I liked several of the short stories, which is defined as 7,500 words or less, was Brave New Worlds. Just saying that without any way to narrow what what you'll enjoy probably won't give the best results though. If you're looking for sci-fi, give Rewired: The Post-Cyberpunk Anthology a try. If you're looking for Rogues, try the anthology the anthology named that edited by GRRM. The Way of the Wizard is another suggestion. There's various others as well.

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>>19401248
Nope all he could come up with was Mordor: Shadows of War. Sad!

>> No.19401799

>>19400379
>>19401022
I also suspect it is possible that Seswatha did not actually pass onto Outside and instead his soul still lingers in world of living due to shit he did with the heart. That explains how Akka was able to access memories that no one were able to access before and that were not even intended for Mandate sorcerers to see.
>Seswatha's face when that cunt who managed to grab Gnosis without touching the heart started to basically put women into Mandate.

>> No.19401969

sometimes the circumstances add up just right and you get an unusually strong feeling of immersion while reading and hoooooly shit the faceless torture chamber under ishuäl

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>>19397836
The peak was and always has been Ghostwater.
>>19399841
>his series took like 4 books to get vaguely interesting
Heh, I thought the same. However, it was, from the start, a much more introspective series not hyper-focused on progression.

>> No.19402123

I've never been big into reading, however, I've moved to a remote location for a job. What are some sci-fi books that have a heavy(ish?) inclusion of ecology?

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>> No.19402221

"Words may break the bone that sticks cannot heal." - R Scott Bakker

>> No.19402234

>>19391831
Any good hard Sci fi based around colonies? So far I know of The Foundation series, The Martian, and Leviathan Wakes.

>> No.19402241

How does sffg feel about Jack McDevitt?
>>19402234
What do you mean "based around colonies?" Would Dumarest count?

>> No.19402249

I'm writing a fantasy novel in the form of a memoir written by the protagonist

My friends seem to like the idea, but perhaps /sffg/ would like to give their thoughts. I know Name of the Wind is not popular around here and somebody told me that novel has a similar style in execution.

>> No.19402250

>>19402249
>>19398060

>> No.19402263

>>19402241
Preferably stories with settings based on living at colonies within our solar system.

>> No.19402357

>>19402185
is this /weg/?

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>>19371345
>Moving on to The Wisdom of Crowds. The finale to the Age of Madness trilogy. Praying it's good.
Update: It was gooooooodah!
I needed a book like this. I went through so many bad or lukewarm titles recently, That a genuinely good title felt amazing. It paid off everything it set up in the first two books. Made me laugh, made me tense, made me sad. Made me curious. The characters are well refined to the point where everything they do makes a lot of sense to who they are, but at the same time, they're not overly predictable. In fact, nothing is overly predictable. I was constantly surprised.

Now I'm mad it's over, because I have nothing to replace it with. And doubts that anything else will measure up.

>> No.19402453

>>19402437
oh, but I forgot to mention, that the only real criticism I have, is the same criticism I always have about Joe Abercombie's books: Not enough magic. There's barely any fantasy in the fantasy.

>> No.19402465

>>19401362
I would suggest Axiomatic by Greg Egan if you're looking for good Sci-fi anthologies

>> No.19402516

>>19402031
>pit related
It's frightening how much accurate the pic is to the typical xianxia novel.
And almost all the chinese webnovels.....

>> No.19402520

>>19402357
yes, Lust Campus

>> No.19402564

>>19402123
Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky

>> No.19402601

>>19402465
Seconding this. Axiomatic is FUCKING GOOD. Luminous (by the same author) is another good anthology but his newest one is a bit too political.

>> No.19402639

Thoughts on Gene Wolfe?

>> No.19402754

>>19401969
For me it was all of ishterebinth. Pure kino.

>> No.19402873

You can see hints of what makes Cradle good in Traveler's Gate but he's come a ways as an author

>> No.19402907

>>19401383
Pretty sure Shadows of War was written by his son Brian.

>> No.19402943

>>19402907
Brrian

>> No.19403032

>>19400380
>I continue to read Cultivation Chat Group as it is translated, it’s a light hearted fun read
Is the translation as trash as the manhua?
Do I need to be autistic to read any of these?

>> No.19403094

>>19403032
that anon has shit taste. Read reverend insanity

>> No.19403113

>>19402564
Yeah I have practically never read anything in my life :( and I am reading that book
it's good

>> No.19403257

>>19402234
the enderverse has some of that especially the prequels that spend a lot of time with asteroid miners
>>19402437
have you read his shattered sea trilogy? no magic at all though

>> No.19403278

>>19402639
I don't like him

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Decided to read dune after I saw people talk about it on /tv/ but it wasn't released yet in my country and I loved the book, even the last third
What should I read next?
I like star trek deep space nine and enterprise but not much else, anything that I should read if I like hard sci-fi but also hate it?

>> No.19403395

>>19403289
the next 3 dune books. if you like star trek, the mote in god's eye, Rendezvous with Rama, the moon is a harsh mistress, the culture series

>> No.19403606

>>19403395

Many new machines on Ix

>> No.19403664

>>19395522
FWIW I did not like Bakker but like Malazan.
You know those first 100 pages of The Darkness that Comes before where everyone speaks in vague outlandish terms that only get explained 2 books later, characters come and go, weird shit happens you don't understand and the viewpoint shifts frequently?
Gardens of the Moon is that, but an entire book long. It is the great filter.

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>>19400273
>technically the first page
>not actually
>blurry photo
Good shitpost, anon-kun, 8/10

>> No.19403840

>>19400237
Yes but not until Aspect-Emperor.

>> No.19403929

>>19403289
if you liked dune read bakker, it's very heavily influenced by dune, not scifi tho

>> No.19403937

>>19400237
he gets some cool moments and becomes less cucked later on in the first 3 books

>> No.19404278

>>19403929
> if you liked dune read bakker, it's very heavily influenced by dune, not scifi tho
Unless youre Bakker or his agent, there is no reason to lie about this.

>> No.19404353

>>19403929
what the absolute fuck is wrong with bakkerfags

>> No.19404536

Are Tolkien and Lovecraft well translated ? I own the books I want to read in french but i could borrow them in english if its worth it

>> No.19404572

>>19394592
There is a trilogy of Tomb Raider books kek

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>>19400974

>> No.19404676

>>19404536
I'm certain that Tolkien, given his influence and popularity, is just as well translated into French from English as Alexandre Dumas is into English from French. Lovecraft though, I wouldn't know about. Honestly, some find his writing style pretty grating so you might not lose very much from a poor translation, but at the same time, some consider his prose to be essential to the terror and suspense evoked by his works, so it's a crapshoot.

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If an author includes sex scenes or god forbid actually tries to make them plot relevant, i wish for their death.
Sex scenes should not be in books that don't focus on romance or erotic content.

>> No.19404956

>>19404935
>No American Psycho
>No Lolita
>No dark fantasy
>No fun

>> No.19404962

>>19404935
therapy

>> No.19404963

>>19404935
agreed

>> No.19404977

>>19404935
Just crossed my mind that the only actual sex scene with proper description of act itself in entire Second Apocalypse is scene of monster rape at the end of Warrior-Prophet.

>> No.19404980

>>19404956
>cunny, the novel
>doesn't focus on romance or exotic content

>> No.19405476

>>19404676
Thanks a lot, ill try to read a bit of both for lovecraft and ill decide

>> No.19405817

>>19395170
Sauce?

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I just finished dune and I'm even more confused, I've seen some spoilers about the later books and I thought they'd make a bit more sense after reading the first book but they really don't
Also paul kind of becomes an asshole at the end of the book, poor irulan

>> No.19405993

>>19405975
You are a simpleton.

>> No.19406005

>>19405975
Dune is shit, so don't worry about it.

>> No.19406010

>>19406005
I liked the book a lot
>>19405993
I know my limitations and I'm not ashamed of it

>> No.19406049

>>19406010
Well, read more of it. Maybe you just have the unreal expectation that things will be resolved and explained. One technique SF uses to generate a sense of wonder is to make a world that connects to itself but doesn't reach back to you. So it can be a bit alienating. Just like when Paul receives his vision of the future he can no longer connect to his own time. Did Herbert anticipate his reader?

>> No.19406100

>>19400237
im halfway through warrior prophet and i think the entire series is actually shaping up to be a defense of his character. possibly you could even call it an apology for the fedoralord. dont spoiler me but i think achamian is going to be resistant to kellhus because of his stubborn deliberation and embrace of mystery. he isnt exactly a "nihilist" or "atheist" but he's adjacent to it, at least in our real world sense, he repeats a lot of basic atheist lines that we're used to irl (though i guess he's more like a sufi in the bakkerverse). kellhus meanwhile is both an atheist and a nihilist in the strongest senses. kellhus gets in people's heads by feeding and confirming ego narratives but achamian is constantly in doubt and questioning.

>> No.19406178

>>19400305
why not do this with titirga? he was the most powerful sorcerer ever born, he could have single-handedly handed the world to the no-god. Was it only due to the jealousy of shaeonanra?

>> No.19406208

I've been reading Percy Jackson for the last week. I'm almost done with the first five books. Do the newer books still focus on Percy Jackson or do they shift to a new group of campers?

>> No.19406287

>>19405975
Dude, Irulan can literally enslave people with sex.

>> No.19406288

>>19406100
>i think achamian is going to be resistant to kellhus
I'm about the same place you are and I haven't got that impression. Seems like Achamian is pretty well under Kellhus' spell. It seems more like he'll end up being Luke to Kellhus' Jesus, the well educated apostle spreading the prophet's word to a literate audience. Resisting Dunyain memery seems to be Cnaiur's thing.

>> No.19406332

>>19403257
>have you read his shattered sea trilogy?
No, I haven't. And I never will. Because fuck sea stories. I'm done with anything that is largely about boats, sailing, and pirates.

>> No.19406363

>>19404935
I'm ok with characters having sex. But I hate when authors force me to be in the act with the characters. Like, I don't need to know a characters perversions in order to enjoy them or the story. It's just awkward.

>> No.19406511

>>19406363
Stop being a prune.

>> No.19406549

>>19406511
you mean prude

>> No.19406562

anyone got some good ambience to listen to while reading
I like tim hecker and brian eno

>> No.19406598

>>19406562
amon tobin
yppah
10 hour thunderstorm and rain
gippy jibbar's "sounds on the continents"

>> No.19406657

>>19406363
Yeah, it's good as long as you're learning something about the characters that's germaine to the rest of the story. If you revisit the same basic coupling over and over or start talking about how your stronk womyn protag likes to suck start flaccid pp, you're making it weird.

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>eleventy
this is supposed to be one of the masters of the english language?

>> No.19406851

>>19406692
>the hobbits live in hobbiton

Bravo toklein

>> No.19406854

>>19406692
>>19406851
t. dull people with no whimsy

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>>19406854
People these days get filtered hard by T.H. White

>> No.19406929

>>19406562
Steve Roach.

>> No.19407032

>>19392733
The Abhorsen trilogy.

>> No.19407245

>>19406562
How about you just read in silence.

>> No.19407357

>>19403094
>Read reverend insanity
Why would he read a series that will never be finish?

>> No.19407383

>>19407357
It’s a story worth reading.

>> No.19407386

The Goodreads Choice Awards 2021 have gone live. The choices are rather awful overall though.

>> No.19407389

>>19395854
Rendezvous with Rama is good, Chindi is also good if you enjoy sci-fi. If you like that sort of thing with SF, you want to look for Big Dumb Object fiction.

>> No.19407392

>>19407386
And we should care why?

>> No.19407395

>>19406288
An apostate is an order of magnitude more dangerous than a heathen.

>> No.19407398

>>19407392
Because it's an indication of what books are popular and what the current trends are. This means future published books will be similar if they want to sell well. Yes, I know a considerable number of people have entirely given up and live exclusively in the past, but not everyone has.

>> No.19407400

>>19407398
Just buy self-published books instead of being delusional thinking trad books will go back to the past.

>> No.19407406

>>19407400
They aren't ever going to be the past. Self-published books are mostly pandering trash as well, just for a smaller audience.

>> No.19407440

>>19407406
Then just find a self-publish book that panders to you.

>> No.19407446

>>19407440
Yes, that's easy enough, but I would prefer they not be utter trash. At least traditionally published books have editors and some modicum of quality control. I'm aware some anons here even say, JUST READ MACHINE TRANSLATED CHINESE WEBFICTION!

>> No.19407451

>>19407446
>At least traditionally published books have editors and some modicum of quality control.
Actually delusional.

>> No.19407471

>>19407386
Antiracist Baby gets my vote!

>> No.19407492

>>19407471
>not Project Hail Mary
Pathetic.

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>>19407386
Why didn't New York Times Best Seller Cradle #10 Reaper not get on the list?

>> No.19407508

>>19407505
Self-publish books don't count.

>> No.19407515

>>19407505
>not “gnome gat”

>> No.19407538

>>19407505
Why would you want it to be there? Awards are nothing anymore.

>> No.19407560

>>19407505
Because the tenth book was terrible.

>> No.19407561

>>19407508
They do count.
https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2020
Facts don't care about your feelings. As you can see, Cradle is listed there.

>> No.19407574

>>19407561
>https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2020
>House of Earth and Blood is first.
I need to check that out. It has nearly 100k votes.

>> No.19407654

>>19407574
Skip throne of glass. That’s just a Cinderella retelling. She even admits as much.

>> No.19407681

>>19407561
>The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue
>A Life No One Will Remember. A Story You Will Never Forget.

>France, 1714: in a moment of desperation, a young woman makes a Faustian bargain to live forever and is cursed to be forgotten by everyone she meets.

>Thus begins the extraordinary life of Addie LaRue, and a dazzling adventure that will play out across centuries and continents, across history and art, as a young woman learns how far she will go to leave her mark on the world.

>But everything changes when, after nearly 300 years, Addie stumbles across a young man in a hidden bookstore and he remembers her name.
I'm always astound by the fact that romance is always so high in these awards.

>> No.19407697

>>19407681
Women read more than men, so of course romance is goin for be a priority.

>> No.19407705

>>19407561
>N.K. Jemisin in fifth place
What happened to her? Wasn't she winning awards after awards for like two years straight? Why is she now in fifth place?

>> No.19407715

>>19407705
Normies actually got wise to her. Legit go to her books goodreads and people wonder how she could have won.

>> No.19407723

>>19406562
I just listen to Japanese ASMR.

>> No.19407743

>>19407715
Really? Her broken earth series was okay.

>> No.19407748

>>19407743
>Her broken earth series was okay.
It really wasn’t. And I ain’t saying that because the author is female or black like the rest of /sffg/.

>> No.19407761

>>19407743
>>19407748
I've had the Broken Earth series on my shelf for a couple of years. Is it even worth opening? I'll probably give the first one a go. If it sucks, all three go in the trash...

>> No.19407768

>>19407761
I’ll say read it, but it doesn’t live up to its hype.

>> No.19407794

>>19407761
The thing that made me interested in this book and that kept me reading all the way until the end was the setting. It was detailed, fascinating and I loved learning more about it. So, in that sense, I got exactly what I hoped to get from this book: an exploration of an imaginative setting with a very seismically active planet and people who can harness that seismic power.

The problem is, this book didn't really deliver anything beyond that. I did hate all the villains I was supposed to hate, but the protagonists made me feel very ambivalent, and I couldn't bring myself to care about them. In addition to that, the writing style was very attention-grabbing and conspicuous, the author was constantly using her prose to remind me that I'm reading a book, which I found to be really frustrating because it made it hard for me to immerse myself in the story.

>> No.19407811

>>19407761
>I've had the Broken Earth series on my shelf for a couple of years
Why do you have a book you haven’t even read for several years? Seems like a waste of space.

>> No.19407848

>>19407811
Probably to post on those shelf threads. I use a tablet to read.

>> No.19407868

>>19407848
>Probably to post on those shelf threads
What good are they? Just narcissistic anons posting their collection?

>> No.19407880

>>19407868
Don't know. I don't use them.

>> No.19407904

>>19407848
>tablet to read.
What type? Been thinking of getting one myself.

>> No.19407916

>>19407904
>What type?
Kindle Paperwhite

>> No.19407926

>>19407916
But too expensive for me, do you have a cheaper alternative.

>> No.19407931

>>19407926
kobo, some chink e-reader. I don't know the market that much.

>> No.19407956

>>19407931
Well, thanks. I’ll check them out.

>> No.19407962

>>19407956
Sorry I couldn't be more of a help.

>> No.19407974

>>19407926
Get an old used one on eBay. Easy. I got one for $30.

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I’ve come here for help: is there any psychological cyberpunk novels that deal with people using virtual avatar as a coping mechanism to deal with how shitty the outside world is?

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>>19391831
just finished this (all 4 parts). I liked the tone & sad angsty monologuing a lot, but all the characters, even Severian were pretty flat for my tastes.
what should i read next?
If the author is mormon, I have probably read it already

>> No.19407986

>>19407985
>what should i read next?
That's for you to decide and not us.

>> No.19407999

>>19407985
>what should i read next?
How should we know? Decide for yourself instead of being a bitch about it.

>> No.19408023

>>19407976
Isn't that the whole point of Ready player one.

>> No.19408034

>>19407986
>>19407999
Fags. I’m obviously going to decide for myself. I’m just participating in a discussion forum. If you think my post is low quality then ignore it.

>> No.19408042

>>19408034
Don't you have a backlog of books?

>> No.19408074

>>19408023
Have you read ready player one? That’s nothing what he wants.

>> No.19408088

How do you guys find the time to read stuff like Malazan or Wheel of Time? Did you read them when they came out? If you read the entire series in a year's time, do you even read anything else that year?

>> No.19408089

>>19408074
I mean it kinda is. People are using a virtual reality game to cope.

>> No.19408103

>>19408088
>How do you guys find the time to read stuff like Malazan or Wheel of Time?
By making time for them?

>> No.19408113

>>19408034
Want to explore the Planet of Adventure with me, anon? I'm starting on the first book City of the Chasch tonight.

>> No.19408115

>>19408042
Not really. I don’t read much about books, i just read them. I picked this series because it was in the sticky and i enjoyed the first chapter

>> No.19408124

>>19408115
I mean, there's other series in the stickies.

>> No.19408135

>>19400974
Bears Discover Fire
Dying Earth
Songs of Dying Earth

>>19408113
Chasch is great, just don't get too attached to Flower of Cath

>> No.19408136

>>19400305
If there's one thing that I've learned from that series is that Vengeance is more important than Salvation to the Consult's enemies.

Also, please stop talking about the series like it is over and done with. It certainly isn't, no matter the amount of cope.

>> No.19408139

>>19408115
Then check the mega folder. What’s the point of having it if no one is going to read it.

>> No.19408151

>>19406100
You are far from grasping the absolute.

>> No.19408153

>>19408139
People check that?

>> No.19408160

>>19408153
No

>> No.19408162

NEW:

>>19408158

>>19408158

>>19408158

NEW!

>> No.19408164

>>19407985
Nice choice why didn’t you like it?

>> No.19408166

>>19408162
>Bakker
Yeah, going to pass.

>> No.19408167

Don't care.

>> No.19408169

>>19408162
>Bakker
No, we don’t need more of his shit.

>> No.19408175

New proper thread
>>19408172

>> No.19408182

The actual new thread: >>19408158

>> No.19408190

>>19408175
I prefer this one.

>> No.19408203

>>19408175
This one.

>> No.19408210

>>19408182
>>19408162
Obviously this one.

>> No.19408213

>>19408175
This one actually has a proper sci-fi image. So this one.

>> No.19408218

No need to samefag.

>> No.19408983

Last psot

>> No.19409457

>>19407976
it's time to get off vrchat anon

>> No.19409476

>>19408088
I've read Malazan twice. It's like three months if you take it slow and only shoot for one a week.