/lit/ - Literature

>>19427490
Blah blah blah I like Schopenhauer but he was a bitter fuck who is mostly idolised by 19 year old pseuds

>>19427490
Schopenhauer was disingenuous to the point of being non-German when he bashed Hegel.

t. Nietzsche

>>19427509
The irony.

When Nietzche was a so non German that he became german again.

Its like that thing with the self hating Jew.

>>19427523
Nietzsche was just joking. He knew he'd forever be a German philosopher.

>>19427529
Self hating Jews are just joking too. They hate being jews then go back to being Jewish and buy another bagel and lox.

Not that I can blame them of course, its pretty good.

>>19427551
Except Wagner

>>19427767
But Wagner was Polish.

>hegel
Soulless forced thought shit

>>19427845
Yeah right

>>19427483
You should read some summary instead.
Why? Because authors like Hegel are so complex that you should really immerse yourself in their work or just forget about it and try to get some general idea from some academic introduction, then leave it at that.
99% of people who have read Hegel have either: 1) not understood him; 2) understood him so superficially that whatever they say about him can and will be contested by an expert.
Also, you should know German.

Source: me. I have never read Hegel and know what a waste of time it would be for me to read him, given that I am not at all willing to spend six months immersing myself in Hegeliana. It's probably all wrong, anyway.
Same applies for Das Kapital, the Koran, the Summa Teologica, Being and Time, etc. These are books to be studied - even when they aren't good - not to be read.

>>19428359
Das Kapital isn’t that difficult, and that’s a silly way at looking at things, you read and study these books, not just study them.

>>19428359
Fuck i hate anglos

>>19428359
Absolutely based. pseuds will seethe

>>19427483
Reading Hegel is like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London.

>>19427490
>>19428359

>>19428529
>you upset jug
>jug splashes itself
Son…

dad found my copy of pos. now he sporadically and out of context just drops stink bombs like
>yeah gary habermas, the historical jesus guy has said he doesn't have a lot of respect for hegelians
>william lane craig has said that they have ideas that are so ridiculous that it is kind of a "the emperor has no clothes" type situation with them
>have you heard of right hegelianism versus left hegelianism
he seems to have been exposed to the words but has no interest or concept of their meaning, only collects them to belittle me in his unique stupid way

cant wait until the day all boomers are chewing dirt

>>19428359
lol.

>>19427483
chronologically of course. if you don't get it the first time, read again. you will soon understand it if you invest the time. simple as

>>19427490
Hundreds of years later, Schopenhauer is still btfo'ing Hagel, lmao.

>>19427483
you should start with the phenomenology of spirit and dedicate three months to it, that means SOLELY to it

>first month
read
>second month
read it again and drink two bottles of wine while doing so
preferably don't leave the house at all
>third month
read it again sober while listening to lectures on it ranging from John David Ebert to fucking school of life

now you have a core
think about it for one to four years and reapeat the process as many times as needed

once you feel fully ready (debated a few actual hegel scholars on it) you can move to the philosophy of history and to the philosophy of right, these do not require the same process

captcha: ONIONS RP

>>19429528
kys

but op should read phenomenology of spirit

>>19429445
>>19427490
wow, hes still seething 100 years latter...

>>19428359
>Source: me. I have never read Hegel and know what a waste of time it would be for me to read him
Anon you could take all of like 30 minutes to get through a little to at least comment on his style.

Beiser’s Hegel will provide you with the best secondary overview for starting out. While many recommend (with good reason, as Hegel saw it as the door to his system) starting with the Phenomenology, if it’s too “difficult,” his Lectures on Aesthetics, the History of Philosophy, and the Philosophy of World History may be a better place to turn to for familiarizing yourself with his prose and approach to philosophizing. Then you should get to the PdG, the Phenomenology: you can consult H.S. Harris, Stephen Houlgate, and Terry Pinkard for help. This text will take you through all the various subject-positions proffered by ancient and modern thought and guide you to a more truthful understanding of what human subjectivity and consciousness are, have been, and can be. The Philosophy of Right will then show you some of the social, political, and moral ramifications of the insights offered by the Phenomenology. And finally, the summary of his Science of Logic contained in the Encyclopedia, the “Smaller Logic,” will provide you with a concise account of his entire mature system from the ground up.

1. Beiser’s Hegel
2. sections of the Lectures on Aesthetics, History of Philosophy, and Philosophy of World History
3. Phenomenology of Spirit
4. Philosophy of Right
5. Encyclopedia: Smaller Logic

>>19427500
>19 year old pseuds
why do they like him and what should they really read? i am a 19 y/o pseud myself

>>19429792
You should read Schiller and Goethe.

>>19429799
ok

>>19427490

I mean anyone familiar with philosophy would recomend to a young entry level student to read Hume and Kant over Hegel.

>>19427483
I'm not telling you what to do, but I would read him in pagination order.

>>19429792
>what should they really read?
Weininger.

>>19429809
what did he mean by this?

>>19427483
>If at all?
You answered your own question. He's basically only interesting and worthwhile for his attempted summary of the history of philosophy, which Nietzsche noted as his "historical sense." There's not much of value, apart from this exposition of historical sense, that doesn't suffer from the typical flaws of all of the philosophy prior to it, making it effectively meaningless as anything more than an intellectual gesture.

>>19429528
No mention of the Science of Logic?

>>19430448
Shhh. The mere name strikes fear in us.

>>19430628
It’s not even the more difficult logic, at least in my opinion

>>19430632
Gtfo with your opinions. Only a priori truth make happy.

>>19427483
Find some Hegel 'experts', and ask them to give you one of Hegel's most important insights.
That will tell you everything you need to know about the intellectually cowardly obscurantist and his Advaita trip.

>>19430662
No it is you who are wrong

>>19430668
k

>>19430675
Not him but he is right, your understanding of Hegel is so minimal nobody will take your opinion seriously

>>19427483
Have some respect for yourself and avoid this charlatan. If you still want to read him, consult some elementary manuals on the sciences and then begin with the Philosophy of Right and the Science of Logic. Read some of Kierkegaards criticism of his system to keep track of its limitations. This is important because his Lectures on Aesthetics complements the works I've outlined above and you need a through overview of his system which has to be impartial as possible. Hegel doesn't question his views enough for you to see it in a completely objective way, you need some criticism. From there on, his entire corpus is available but familiarize yourself with these three first.

>>19427483
Like some said already just read a book about Hegel's philosophy, his actual books are I feel overwhelmingly complex for the sake of being complex.

Start with his early works or encyclopedias. Try to know the concepts. Works like PoS is confusing to read and confusing to interpret so read it slowly enough.
...though I would say no but... whatever...

>>19429785
good post desu