/lit/ - Literature

>>19690005
his facial construction is a scandal in itself

>/lit/ is now a gossip board
it's all so boring

>>19690005
He doesn't really make Evola adherents seethe, Evola and his adherents are part of the same school of thought but would have disagreements on the practical side, usually owing to the difference between warriors and priests.

Usually people who like Evola will like Guenon, but the converse is often false (Evola = muh racism/nazis = evil).

Blavatsky mogs them both even though her approach seemed a bit haphazard. Evola is good up to a point but you can tell his adherents know less than they think they do. You can get alot of value out of him, though. We need not mention Crowley.

>>19690913
Guenon > Evola >> Crowley >>> Blavatskike

Blavatsky was a (fraudulent?) mystic. Crowley was able to transcend to some extent (seeing the "midnight sun") but his writings seem confused and he was too larpy.

What are Evola's adherents lacking that Blavatsky's are not, in your opinion?

>>19690887
>school of thought
schuonian and academic invention, Guénon protested against philosophy and school of thoughts, yet he was made partcof one... let the man speak for himself

>>19691071
Ok, the Traditionalist worldview, if you must be so autistic.

>>19691060
Read even a basic article of hers, such as "Occultism vs Occult Arts", then get back to me.

>>19691105
>traditionalist
It seems that someone didn't read chapter 31, 'Tradition and Traditionalism' of the Reign of Quantity & the Signs of the Times.

>>19690005
I've always been curious what his afterlife beliefs were, since he seemed to reject reincarnation out of hand as a cultural imposition on true Tradition.

>>19691637
>since he seemed to reject reincarnation out of hand as a cultural imposition on true Tradition.
Which is ridiculous since every tradition of note recognizes reincarnation as a thing. Even in the Christian and Jewish texts.

>>19691637
He rejected reincarnation not transmigration. Things are not as simple as academics like to believe when they translated as reincarnation everything related to 'rebirth'.

"In reality, however, the ancients never envisaged such a transmigration, nor that of men into other men, such as reincarnation might be defined. Undoubtedly, certain more or less symbolic expressions may give some scope to these misunderstandings, but only when one does not know what they really intend to say, which is precisely this: that there are in man psychic elements which, after death, are dissipated or scattered, and which may then enter other living beings, whether men or animals (and it is not so very important which) from the fact that after the dissolution of the body of this same man the elements which composed him may then serve to form other bodies. In the two cases it is the mortal elements of the man that are in question and not his imperishable part, which is his real being and which is in no way affected by posthumous mutations."

"Having explained what metempsychosis really is, we must now state the real nature of transmigration. In this case, it is definitely the real being that is involved; but it is not a question of a return to the same state of existence, a return which—if it could take place— would rather be a ‘migration’ than a ‘transmigration’. It is, on the contrary, a question of the passage of the being to other states of existence, states that are defined, as we have said, by entirely different conditions than those to which the human individual is subject (though with the one reservation that as long as individual states are in question the being is always clad in a form, but a form that cannot occasion any spatial or other depiction more or less modeled on bodily form). To say transmigration is in essence to say change of state. That is what all the traditional doctrines of the East teach, and we have many reasons to think that this was also the teaching of the ‘mysteries’ of antiquity."

>>19691900
As a matter of fact, Guénon argued that hell and heaven are states of the being and not places.

>>19691900
>>19691919
Same anon.
>certain more or less symbolic expression
Guénon wrote something related to this in an article: "But, when a being must pass to another individual state, nothing guarantees that there it will again occupy a central position relative to the possibilities of that state, as it does in its present state; on the contrary, there is even an incomparably greater probability that it will encounter one of the innumerable peripheral conditions comparable in ouw world to those of animals or even vegetables. [...] This is why certain oriental texts say that 'human birth is difficult to obtain'". So "symbolic" in no way means less real, like certain religious exclusivists would like to accuse us of believing.

>>19691945
where is this excerpt from/?

>>19690005
Is there any esoteric person that wasnt evil? Were they all left hand egotistical shitters?

>>19692576
Guy pictured in OP is as opposite to left hand that you can probably get.

I am still confused with the difference between Guenon and Evola on hierarchy of spiritual authority and temporal power.
Guenon says things should symbolise the cosmos so that the spiritual authority is highest and emanates teaching onto the temporal power. And says that the inversion is a subversion.
However, Evola suggests that this basic relationship is feminine and requires further nuance. The monarch should be initiated and the religious head as well as state head. But his priority should be as a religious head first then state head? Like Jesus who is supposed to be King and High Priest? Is this right?

inb4 why are you referring to cringe Christianity. idk bro it's complicated but I've decided to make Christianity my exoteric doctrine despite its drawbacks.

Ortholarp will seethe

>>19691303
No, Blavatsky is retarded, which is why you can't answer my question.

>>19691331
>ackshually
You having autism is not my problem.

>>19692576
John Michael Greer. Intelligent and concerned with ecology as well

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>>19693087
OY VEY!!

>>19692531
Initiation and spiritual realization, chapter Salvation and Deliverance
>>19692619
Evola addmited that he took his historical feminine-masculine dichotomy from Bachofen. All hindus know that the brahmins have a masculine/active role while the kshatriyas a feminine/passive one. Inversing their roles because of an imagined "aryan" warrior past is orientalist style revisionism. Guénon also agreed that at some point in the past it used to be a royal and sacerdotal (king and priest) caste but after they split in two, the only legitimate version is with the sacerdotal one at the top.

>>19693087
based

>>19693087
in East and West he also said that the soviet revolution had a judaic element and that jews were influencing the young turks to get into kemalism

>>19692962
I can't be bothered because I know you don't know anything, probably don't even practice, and likely got filtered by Evola himself, like so many on this board. There's simply nothing to gain by explaining what's self-evident to people who have a clue.

>>19690005
>inverted fivehead

>Ride the Tiger: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrat of the Soul by Julius Evola
>Intro is dedicated to a specific kind of human type who will feel these feels
>Proceeds to go off on irrelevant tangents for the rest of the book about shit takes on philosophers and never once terrestrializes on the tangible biological attentive differences and day to day pains such weirdos will face
>basically limousine air musings about Nietzche annotations and Sartre that even Public Jordan Peterson would find insipid
>meanwhile GUENON (PBUH) epitomizes all arguments with normies in Crisis of the Modern World in the most succinct almost metaphysical mathematical description possible to recognize by European speech AND in Reign of Quantity Signs of the Times gives relatable arguments that you cannot extract or forget from your mind when driving around the inescapable bounds of his prescience in your day to day life and drudgeries now described fully abstracted.

>>19691919
Hell therefore could be the permanence of suffering as much as Buddha's cure all is meditation on the impermanence of suffering.

>>19696279
then Heaven would be quite a complicated thing to describe with this logic

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>>19696312
>Reading Rene Guenon Feels Like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGoV8ocBoc
>Reading Julius Evola Feels Like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5R7rXThkc

>>19696312
I don't get it. Explain spongebob memes to me

>>19696391
die zoomer

>>19696393
I was the right age to watch spongebob. Just never did. Wrong country, didn't have satellite tv etc.

>>19696391
Sure thing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmfArL1CbOM
>>19696393
Absolutely Haram

>>19696415
Thanks anon

>>19690005
wasn't this guy a freemason?

>>19696442
He just wanted frens but he found LOVE in EGYPT
Rene Guenon Sitcom RomCom when?

How do I pronounce Guénon?
Just give me a GenAm pronunciation guide, and I'll be able to convert it for my filthy-Australian needs.

>>19693087
shut it down!!!

>>19696533
like anon, but the first syllable is gay

>>19693087
Dats gonna be a based from me dawg

>>19696594
Surely you jest.

>>19696607
It’s like ‘Geh-Nohn’, first syllable is similar to Qué in Québec (Keh-Beck) but with a G instead of a K sound

>>19696594
for my its Gwen-(A)non

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>>19696442
he was, problem?

>>19696269
> tangible biological attentive differences and day to day pains such weirdos will face

What does the mean? How ultimately those of a higher spiritual nature will find it harder to pair-bond in modern consumer society?

>>19692576
>>19692606
Whos the left hand version of Geunon?

>>19698667
Unironically Evola, he talks about Left Hand Path often but doesn’t recommend it to most people.

>>19696269

>>19697490
>Evola whining about someone being too “reactionary”

>>19696533
Gay? Naw.

>>19696286
Nirvana, or absolute detachment, is said to be the only unchangeable thing in existence