/lit/ - Literature

Stop making low-effort threads.

>>19734083
Sex doesn't belong in literature unless it's implied. To make it explicit is distasteful and pornographic.

>>19734091
>this arbitrary aspect of the human condition is taboo because I was raised in a puritanical household
>never mind all the cultures where sex is commonplace

>>19734083
What a disgusting virgin.

>>19734083
>>I have a sex scene in my short story
short stories are too short for sex scenes
she asked you if you were a metaphorical virgin, i.e. if this was your first time trying your hand at writing literature

>>19734102
Sex is commonplace in all cultures. That doesn't mean some things are not better kept private. Also, the fact that some cultures have inferior moral standards does not prove the non-existence of objective morality any more than the ignorance of tribesmen of set theory proves the subjectivity of mathematics.

People under 40 or who've never had intercourse should not write, period. Having sex for the first time changes you as a person and as a writer. All the porn and masturbation in the world can't account for that.

>>19734102
>uggggh i jackhammer my meat tube into her fish-smelling abortion hole
Yes, truly this is high art.
Nothing about the act of sex itself is beautiful or possessing of any quality worth writing about; its all the psychology and the attached cultural and personal weight of the act that has meaning, and all of that can be communicated without writing bottom-of-the-barrel smut.

>>19734123
>People under 40 or who've never had intercourse should not write
Never seen truer words posted on /lit/

>>19734123
>Having sex for the first time changes you as a person and as a writer.
t. Bitter and self-hating virgin

>>19734123
I had sex. It didn't change me.

>>19734083
She's hitting on you and you're letting it slip through your greasy virgin fingers jusy like every other missed opportunity for sex you've had so far in your wretched excuse of an existence

>>19734140
You were raped. It's not your fault.

>>19734150
I mean, she kind of started it all, but still.

>girl asks if I'm a virgin
>I'm not

>>19734140
So you're still a virgin?

>>19734140
You don't truly lose your virginity until a girl of healthy breeding age lets you impregnate her.

Girls always ask if it was your first time after having sex.
They’re just trying to make you feel better about yourself.

>>19734202
Also the girl must be worldly and have life experience and you must know her as a person and a human being, so seducing some 22 year old chick straight out of college and still 'finding herself' doesn't count. Neither do tinder or bar hookups or one night stands.

So taking into account the healthy breeding age limitation there's a brief window around 26-32.

>>19734128
Wow, a talking fedora. Incredible.

>>19734219
>my wife just turned 26
im gonna make it bro??

Any femanons here want to talk about their first time to help us become better writers? What's something most people get wrong about sex scenes?

>>19734202
Moving the goal posts, are we?

>>19734102
You think you're an intellectual or something? Fuck out of here, pseud.

>>19734224
unironically borderline pedophilic. How much literature and philosophy has she read? The minds of most 26 year old women are like that of children.

>>19734148
how would you answer her then?

>>19734235
>about to graduate with a degree in journalism next semester
>given 2 tedx talks
>over 800 read books on goodreads, of which at least 100 are literature and over half are nonfiction
>moderator on /r/science, /r/books, and /r/askreddit
>attend local writer's workshops

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm an intellectual. You?

>>19734250
Turn beet red and avoid eye contact. With any luck she'll have a fetish for awkward virgins and fuck you. You'll have to ask her out first though, no girl wants to make that move first.

>>19734083
>have never fixed an engine before
>try to write long, detailed prose of fixing an engine
What did you think would happen?

>>19734083
Post the scene op

>>19734263
>the ol' in-out in-out is literally rocket science!

If I can take a derivative I can sex a girl. Fuck off.

>>19734229
We can see your dick in your hand, anon. you aren't sneaky

>>19734091
read Wellbeck

>>19734083
POST THE SEX SCENE RETARD

>>19734253
Godawful bait, do better

>>19734140
I don't know how it couldn't albeit in the most minute detail of finally understanding what sex is actually like. The reason why OP is so easily clocked as a virgin is because no amount of speculation would allow him an accurate understanding of hat sex is actually like except by sheer coincidence

so this is the power of the male gaze

>>19734102
You’re dumb, most cultures have sex taboos

>>19734321
Only because childbirth was dangerous back then. There's no excuse for that in the 21st century in a developed nation

>>19734320
>Alissa Nutting
lel lol lul

>>19734102
Every story should have a scene where the main character takes a dump, picks his nose, and jerks off

>>19734238
But ive been told that 26 is the beginning of the golden age for my wife!

>>19734320
You can tell she's never been eaten out

>>19734123
This except also being married and having children. Children change you as a person and as a writer. You understand a fraction of human experience until you begin a family.

>>19734320
What OUTRAGEOUS prose, this alissa woman cant be fucking serious? It's like im 13 and reading erotic fanfiction, its so unbelievable

I would have said yes, but im not a virgin whos insecure about it

>>19734320
>his ebony skin
fucking degenerate fucking american garbage. absolutely fucking disgusting.

>>19734323
childbirth is still dangerous, niggers breeding create little criminals who are a net detriment to society

incels deserve sex

>>19734083
She's flirting with you, dumbfuck.

>>19734320
I'd Nutt in her if you know what I mean.

>>19734282
>mechanics are the same as rocket scientists

I'm an English major and I want to kill myself. I don't have the motivation for this shit. Might drop out.

>>19734222
>I don't have even at attempt at justifying my awful exploitative writing
Neat

>>19734555
College is for fucking and networking, not for incel learning. Whatever they teach you there, you can absorb five times more effectively via self-study.

>>19734218
not if you know what you're doing

>>19734568
See, here's the thing. I somehow get this shit 90% free, so guess I can just put 0 effort into my schoolwork and just get the damn degree. I'm only doing 4 classes a semester. I haven't had the opportunity to fuck girls yet. That's genuinely one of my top 2 reasons to be in school. Also, I already made a lot of money off crypto last year. Not 7 figures, but mid 6 figures.

>>19734320
that is legitimately gross

>>19734343
>this prose isn't like the opening paragraph of lolita this is bad prose! the prose, it sucks it's bad prose!! look at the prose it's bad
the easiest way to spot a /lit/ newfaggot pseud.

>>19734593
That’s all what women read nowadays - gross vaginal filth and bipoc YA urban fantasy.

>>19734555
The only reason to that get degree is to go into education. If you want to teach, keep going.

>>19734320
But what makes you believe the second book wasn't written by a man too?

(Well, what matters is: women read it)

>>19734123
What about Goethe? He had his first sex when he was about 40

Guys I genuinely advice regarding women, sex and relationships.

As a 26 yo virgin man I realized that I have not lived my life fully. I want to go out, party, meet women, make friends, have causal sex, all that can only be done in youth. But I am facing multiple obstacles, some tangible, some philosophical.

One, how can I meet people, specially young women? My experience through university taught me that women belong to very specific groups of friends, and entering is difficult. Plus, any interest you show, she might immediately discard you.

Second, the general attitude of women towards men is demeaning and arrogant. It seems to me that looking for accesible women is a difficult task, and unfortunately, out of my control.

Third, I want to meet young attractive women just for sex. But women need to be courted, which requires time, money, energy, etc., which at the end may or may not pay off. This discourages me as sometimes I just want to touch a woman, not get to know her, and makes me question my motives. Nonetheless, I have been trying to change myself, and try to find enjoyment in knowing people more deeply and developing relationships. I am trying to see it as an investment, instead of a transaction.

So such is my dilemma gentlemen, a combination of moral struggles and external obstacles, the main one being the inaccessibility of women. What do you recommend?

>>19734983
prostitutes desu

>>19734983
Offer girls on tinder marijuana

>>19734329
I can think of multiple /lit/ approved classics where each of those happens

>>19735046
poast

>>19734983
>I want to go out, party, meet women, make friends, have causal sex
>all that can only be done in youth
This is completely incorrect. Some of the wildest people I know are 40-50 and have stable careers, etc

>>19735054
>taking a shit
Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest
>picking your nose
A Confederacy of Dunces
>jerking off
Ulysses, Canterbury Tales, Giles Goat-Boy

>>19734402
Hey aren't you an anarchist what's up with those ideas?

>>19735073
>Canterbury Tales has a jerkoff scene
Guess I hate to read it
It's like the meme trio for the middle ages...

>>19734123
kek I always think of the baki scene where he suddenly easily defeats all his opponents after having sex for the first time

>>19734123
>Having sex for the first time changes you as a person and as a writer.
is that even true?

>>19734983
be gay

>>19734320
>Alissa Nutting

>>19734083
US or UK?

Did anyone else masturbate to the breast feeding scenes at the end of grapes of wrath and hannibal?

>>19734983
How?
I'm 5 2 and I lost mine at 18.

>>19734123
Fuck you retarded faggot, shut the fuck up sex haver, dont ever reply to my posts ever again, you are a low iq below average normgroid who cant comprehend what a luxury it is to have relationships with other girls. youre nothing but a normal failed normie, you had sex, which means you have had at least a few girls in your life that you could interact with, you had girls like so you much even that they were willing to get to the highest form of intimacy, you having had sex means you had intimate relationships and got the highest accomplishment you can have biologically. Sex and generally being intimate with a girl is a physiological necessity for humans and you being a nigger with your inability for introspection and empathy means you could never possibly comprehend the psychological torture that people like me endure, you wouldnt be able to live even a week without jamming a fork into the nearest outlet if you would know what it feels like to be forever alone, the mental problems from knowing that youre totally fucked and will never have a person that will understand you and be willing to be intimate with you will make you reevalute if a death penalty would really be a punishment in this situation

>>19735212
>you wouldnt be able to live even a week without jamming a fork into the nearest outlet if you would know what it feels like to be forever alone,
Jesus christ you dumbass.
I'm 38. I've had sex since I was 18, and for various reasons, haven't had any for 2 years. Literally nothing in my life has changed for the worse.

>>19735212
Just have sex lmao

>>19734983
>Guys I genuinely advice regarding women, sex and relationships.
>As a 26 yo virgin
Stopped reading there.

>>19734983
>One, how can I meet people, specially young women? My experience through university taught me that women belong to very specific groups of friends, and entering is difficult. Plus, any interest you show, she might immediately discard you.
>Second, the general attitude of women towards men is demeaning and arrogant. It seems to me that looking for accesible women is a difficult task, and unfortunately, out of my control.
>Third, I want to meet young attractive women just for sex. But women need to be courted, which requires time, money, energy, etc., which at the end may or may not pay off. This discourages me as sometimes I just want to touch a woman, not get to know her, and makes me question my motives. Nonetheless, I have been trying to change myself, and try to find enjoyment in knowing people more deeply and developing relationships. I am trying to see it as an investment, instead of a transaction.
Nigga just be handsome it's not that complex

>>19735006
That would make me feel worse.
>>19735045
Tinder in my country is useless
>>19735059
Perhaps but I want to do it now. At least start.
>>19735191
As a man is very simple, simply do nothing. No woman will approach you to take your virginity.
>>19735271
I am above average. Would consider myself handsome. Many women have showed interest in me. The problem is that one, it bothers me that I have to do the heavy lifting even though she is the interested one. And second, sometimes its just impossible to approach them without looking weird.

>>19734320
Women are disgusting

>>19735403
>As a man is very simple, simply do nothing. No woman will approach you to take your virginity
The girl who took my virginity, I met her working at a hog butchering plant, we were both covered in blood and guts. She was a small Filipino girl, 5 years older than me, and we hit it off mostly because we were sitting next to each other for lunch. She asked me out, I think because she thought another girl had a crush on me and was about to make a move. We went out to amclub, she showed up in the tiniest black dress ever, and after 2h of grinding we went back home to have sex for the rest of the night.
I've had sex at least half a dozen time without having done anything else than being there at the right time.

>>19735437
nice story anon

>>19734140
Same. But I had it in highschool like a typical normalfag so maybe that's why it doesn't feel that way

>>19734083
>"it's okay if you are I think that's cute"
This reminds me of when I was in college and lost my virginity a girl I was friends with was actually mad at me for it and started crying. She wanted to stay as this pure virgin she could tease all the time. Goddamn I hate women

>>19735617
She wanted to be your first anon

>>19735633
She did not. There was few a bigger whore than her in all that campus and yet she never let me smash, she wanted me to my loins to be untainted fine china for her to always tease.

>>19734102
You can tell how many virgins post here from the (You)'s this got.

>>19735648
>Being this retarded

>>19734102

I busted a big load earlier today. It just sprayed out viciously. I felt like a sick little fucker despite just jerking off. Add that to your story

I took a writer's course like that in uni. The stories I wrote were about a spunky, badass action girl and a tough but clumsy guy saving the world from aliens. I try to make my stuff as inoffensive as possible so it's more likely to go over well with people.
I'm a 26 year old virgin. I don't think a woman has ever considered me as a sexual being, I've never even made it to the friendzone.

>>19735648
She totally did, I can still remember her crying about it to me after we had sex

>>19734123
SAY THAT AGAIN TO MY FACE FUCKER NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>>19734320
I have read some shit in my life, including online furry roleplay shit, and this is the literal worst attempt I've ever seen at trying to sound sexual.
A horny indian man texting a woman on whatsapp could write a better sex scene.

>creative writing class
>reading some quiet guy's story aloud to class
>there's a gratuitous sex scene
>like, seriously pornographic
>male character is losing his virginity and doesn't cum in an instant
>also the girl is a virgin too
>they go at it for literally hours, in the shower, like that's normal... for virgins
>sickly sweet romantic, everything is perfect
>no mention of actual physical sensations, mostly just visuals
>in fact he does it so perfectly they both cum at the same time
>mentions "multiple orgasms" as in the girl having two or three orgasms at once
>the whole time the author is sitting in his chair like Gendou Ikari from Evangelion
>when his story ends no one wants to comment on the story. Everyone just wants to move on to the next one to end the cringe.
I miss creative writing classes.

>>19734083
>>19734250
Easy
>oh yeah? how cute?

>>19735817
When I lost my virginity I didn't cum. It took about six more months of fucking to finally do that, as I was accidentally doing this weird thing with my pelvic floor that would prevent ejaculation.

>>19735850
autism

>>19734123
ok then retard illuminate where the lit gfs are to xxxxxxxx

>>19735898
I guess even autists get more pussy than you do, embarrassing

>>19734083
you have to put the hole in the right place, anon.

>>19734091
True. Very rarely does a sex scene do anything to expand on the characters or move the plot forward. All the interesting parts about sex in a story come before and after the act itself. Plus I don't wanna get a boner and urged to fap during reading time.

Smut is a different story, of course. But that is porn and serves a completely different purpose. In smut, the story is secondary.

>>19734123
>Having sex for the first time changes you as a person

This is the truth. My farts are pretty much silent now.

>>19734083
If not bait, your sex scene is too detailed. Painting imagery rather than letting the reader do it.
I bet you also wrote "he slides in and out of her" or some cringe shit.

>>19734983
First, nothing is stopping you from talking to women. Women dont like to be 'shut off' in their circle of friends. They like to meet new people, make new friends, expand that social circle.
>any interest you show, she might immediately discard you
Because she had no interest in you. Keep trying until it works.
Second, spend less time on twitter.
Third, club hoes, tinder sluts, prostitutes. Get right into it lad.

>>19735223
The difference between him and you is that you've experienced validation. Being an unloved virgin in your 20s/30s is like being an alien, something different from the rest of humanity or broken in some way. It completely fucks your mental state and you spiral further and further down the longer it goes on. Eventually one might stop having regular fantasies about love and relationships, and start fantasizing about violence instead. This is what modern society calls 'incel.'

>>19734250
Text her "Hey - I lied. I'm a virgin. Want to help me write a sex scene?"

>>19734083
If you're writing a sex scene in literature for the sake of the sex or because the sex is important to one or more of the characters, you're a virgin. If you write a sex scene because the consequences of the sex are what's important to the story, then you're not a virgin. For non-virgins, it's a natural assumption that everyone's getting plenty of sex, so there's no need to include it.

t. wizard

>>19736201
>AAAHHHH MY PROBLEMS ARE THE WORST PROBLEMS ANYBODY COULD EVER HAVE, NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME, AAAAHHHH
The reason you feel so alienated is not because of your lack of sex, it's because you're an obnoxious defeatist faggot in every aspect of your life and people can smell it on you for miles

>>19734323
How is that shit an argument. Taboos come from feelings that later are rationalized or adapting into religion and rituals. People don’t work like that, look, the pill made half of the fertile age girls infertile, did that stopped anyone from having sex? No, because instincts (as the instincts that causes taboos or sex Drive) are enough to make people do things.

>>19736201
Fuck, that's bleak. I truly cant conceptualize not having grown up in the 90s. Even losers eventually got laid before their mid 20s.

>>19734321
Every culture has taboos and allowances which differ from one another. You've made a vacuous statement and I expect you to delete it.

>>19735045
Weed smoking whores, disgusting. At least the were attractive? How often did it work?

>>19736509
I never did it, personally, but know people who did. I lost my virginity to a girl with a sonic the hedgehog wallet.

>>19736505
Taboos arise from environmental constraints, and sexual taboos seems to be universal since we are a sexual species, so taboos regarding sexuality came to regulate behavior in order not just to avoid unwanted pregnancies but also avoiding conflict, it would not be conflict if the social problems that sex causes weren’t part of our evolved nature, so a liberated sexuality is undesirable and maladaptive

>>19736509
> Weed smoking whores,
> "I want to have casual sex and party and experience the fun of youth. "
Sure.

>>19736613
We’re are two people, but you’re are right, I would fuck them. I think that’s a difference between men and women, it’s easy to me to think that a man would fuck a girl they don’t respect but I don’t think the same is true for women, and what’s funny is that I think women don’t even know it

>>19734983
I lost my virginity at 26, I just woke up and didnt care and decided to be upfront, honest, and patient. And then I met some girls on tinder who also just wanted to hook up instead of like, be in a relationship. But here's the kicker, girls get approached for sex all the time and I realized they don't like being seen as just a means to sex, so I kind of took my time and tried to just have fun and enjoy their company. & then I ended up having a harem for about 3 months before I decided i was done with it.
This then gave me the balls to ask this girl I've been friends with for a while and she said sure, and she suggested we see other people so I'm still sleeping around and trying to see if we really get along together. And I think the fact that I'm not desperate or needy when I'm with women comes across positively.

Girls like having sex too, but just try to have fun first and foremost and then they'll feel they can have fun with you too.

tl;dr, just say up front you dont want a relationship, youre just looking for sex, but you still have to play the 3 date game, and legit 100% of the time they invite me over.

>>19736824
Those kind of girls belong to the streets, brother, forget about them and find a good women

>>19736824
>doomed to partake in the cock carousel, as the cock or the carousel
this is not the fantastic revelation you think it is

>>19736201
I legitimately don't feel like a human. Basic concepts like sex or relationships seem to just happen to normal people as if it's like breathing, but to me these concepts feel so foreign to me that I can't even comprehend them. I've never even hugged another human since I was a child.

>>19737162
>I've never even hugged another human since I was a child.
Jesus Christ. There has to be girls of your age somewhere around you. How about you move to another town? I'm French so I know the accent is kind of a cheat code, but I've never pulled half has much as when I moved to Western Canada in my early twenties. I was a nerd, a loser and a manlet in France but in Red Deer I was the dude that was very obviously completely different from every 6 foot 4 blond farm jock, and apparently that was enough to get attention.
Sometimes you need to cut ties with yourself in order to reinvent yourself.

>>19734083
>>19734148
>>19734250
>>19734417
Honestly OP
"I think that's cute" means "I think you're cute."
She wouldn't have asked if she wasn't interested. If she thought you were an awkward gross incel she would have just cringed at the scene and moved on.
Pay attention to her, maybe strike up conversation with her or smile at her every once in a while. Never know!
Source: am female

This thread is so sad

>Source: am female

>>19737162
M. A.?

>>19734123
I've had sex several times and it didn't change me. It was shit and it made me even more misanthropic, detached from reality and pessimistic. I don't get this "sex changes you for the better" meme. I still feel like a virgin, nothing is meaningfully different.

You should fuck her OP. After you cum inside her, say, very loudly, "No longer a virgin" and walk out.