/lit/ - Literature

Are you the same guy who keeps making threads about this book? You've had three different opinions on it.

Actually, this book teaches you how to think and act like a psychopath. Charlie Manson credited the Dale Carnegie course he took in prison for giving him the tools he needed to start his cult.

>>19839735
woah, that settles it, buying it

Not necessarily. I'd say it actually makes people lower their guard against you. Allowing you to either find more information about them or be prone to manipulation. This book seems like a long term game than a quick solution

>>19839489
what's wrong with that?

>>19839498
What did I think of it /lit/?

>>19839735
I wouldn’t even give it that much power. They still put on Dale Carnegie certified classes and people still go to them. Everything I’ve heard about them is that they are benign, outdated, and largely ineffectual.

>>19839489
What if I'm already a pushover? Does it make me more of a pushover or a better pushover??

>>19839489

>>19839498
Yes.

>>19839489
>how to teach incels to be a functioning part of society

What about this book, OP?

>>19839735
>tfw it's true
WTF
>In his new book, "Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson", author Jeff Guinn credits Carnegie training with transforming Manson from “a low-level pimp” to the “frighteningly effective sociopath” who created a cult of killers in the late 1960s. Manson took classes in “How to Win Friends and Influence People,” based on Carnegie’s iconic book, while doing time for car theft in a California federal prison in 1957. ”It was critical in shaping how he manipulated people,” says Guinn, noting that the young convict told people he’d enrolled to get strangers to open up to him.

>>19839489
the only useful shit to learn from this guy is in the first chapter where he said just say people's names to them a lot

>>19841452
kek I also learned that from him. I do it all the time. This is probably one of the reasons why my boss hasn't fired me yet despite my being a slow shitty coder.

>>19841450
Fellas... is this book dangerous?
>Manson became especially obsessed with Chapter Seven, on how to get cooperation, and often practiced key lines in his cell, a former prison mate told Guinn. Carnegie’s advice—”Let the other fellow feel that the idea is his”—became vital in helping him recruit and control a band composed mostly of young women. Former “Family” members Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten (who was denied her 20th bid for parole last month) both say Manson mastered the technique: Not only did he often solicit and praise his followers’ advice, he was careful to frame every killing as a Family decision.

>Jackie Kellso, who runs Dale Carnegie courses in New York, says, “it’s a very hard concept to understand.” The notion of letting others take credit for your ideas goes against what most people are taught, she explains, yet “it’s fundamental to being a good leader.”

>>19841452
I do this despite not having read this book. It's just to make people feel that you treat them as equals. I do this to most customer support agents or whatever they're slaves and scum but I talk to them in endearing ways both in phone or in email. "Ms. <Name>, thank you for taking up my request for so and so." It makes them feel human in their shitty job that makes them feel less human than the rest of the population.

>>19841485
>they're slaves and scum but I talk to them in endearing ways both in phone or in email.
kek

>>19839489
>>19839735

The social skills in this book are common sense. Are normies so stupid to pretend to benefit from pretending to learn behavior that they were already performing successfuly to begin with? Like good God that is so petty and filled with wishful thinking

>>19841492
>normie=thing I don't like
>normie=behavior I don't care for
You have to go back.

>>19841496

Most people are spiritual nigger animals. Nature favors scoundrels and cowards except at the very top. Reality is right-wing and elitist, sorry honey

>>19839489
Why do you think they want you to read it?
>Stirner spam below
All truth by itself is dead, a corpse; it is alive only in the same way as my lungs are alive — to wit, in the measure of my own vitality. Truths are material, like vegetables and weeds; as to whether vegetable or weed, the decision lies in me.

Objects are to me only material that I use up. Wherever I put my hand I grasp a truth, which I trim for myself. The truth is certain to me, and I do not need to long after it. To do the truth a service is in no case my intent; it is to me only a nourishment for my thinking head, as potatoes are for my digesting stomach, or as a friend is for my social heart. As long as I have the humor and force for thinking, every truth serves me only for me to work it up according to my powers. As reality or worldliness is “vain and a thing of naught” for Christians, so is the truth for me. It exists, exactly as much as the things of this world go on existing although the Christian has proved their nothingness; but it is vain, because it has its value not in itself but in me. Of itself it is valueless. The truth is a — creature.

>>19841520
Reality is right-wing and hierarchist*

I recommend "How to Have Confidence and Power" instead.
To clarify (to help you process the book better) I don't read it like a bible, and none of these self-help books should be (and most of them shouldn't be read at all). And it's catered to American cultural norms, some of which are no longer normal.
But it does have some fundamental lessons, if you struggle with ordinary "human relations." But for more exceptional cases, maybe not. His implicit ideas on personality are also false, such as that there are no personalities, as such. People are very different from one another. How you apply the lessons from this book should be based, in part, on how you read people. Reading people is a valuable skill that many users here lack, and that explains their predicaments.

>>19841526

Yes, society fundamentally rests upon the assumption that the majority are of less moral value than an elite minority. When this breaks down, society begins to dissolve

>>19841523
>The truth is a — creature.
How do I read this?

>>19841544
replace --- with a swear word

>>19841544
stop with is a then read creature tomorrow

>>19839489
there are parts to it people don't talk about that are very interesting
e.g.
>people do mental gymnastics to make themselves feel like the protagonist of a tv show so that they can deal with life

A "REAL" book of power would be difficult to write, if only because to have Power you must already have Power.
If you have no leverage, you have nothing, most men have nothing. Women, even the dumbest ones can leverage looks and coom if they can try.