/lit/ - Literature

Go back to >>>/his/

You guys still larping? It’s time to stop.

>>19841805
>The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts, writings, or scriptures sacred in Christianity

The influence of the Luther Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible#Influence

Amazing

>>19841952
I think the Luther says Pater instead of Joseph in Luke 2:33.

>>19841801
how to receive God's free gift of eternal life and be 100% sure of going to heaven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOv_kvk4M8&t=2s&ab_channel=BaptistBiblePreaching

eternal security sermon for people who are doubting their salvation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RmgazPTaY&ab_channel=zacthebaptist

documentary explaining why Christ rejecters who say they're jews are not God's chosen people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQcjmLw_Rc&ab_channel=JackHylesDotCom

>>19841971
As opposed to the Catholic translations that all say the same thing?

Douay-Rheims
>And his father and mother were wondering at those things which were spoken concerning him.
Knox Bible
>The father and mother of the child were still wondering over all that was said of him
RSV Catholic Edition
>And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him
NABRE
>The child’s father and mother were amazed at what was said about him

I don't know why you would even care about this as Luke makes the explicit point that Jesus was only 'supposed' to be the son of Joseph.

Lk. 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli

>>19841971
Also I decided to check and even the Vulgate has 'father'. So I have no idea what you're comparing to.

>Et erat pater ejus et mater mirantes super his quæ dicebantur de illo.

>>19841801
Ulfilas would be a lot cooler if he hadn't omitted Samuel and Kings from his translation of the Bible.

Why can't you get a decent collection of the Lives of the Saints in Catholicism? Orthodoxy has a nice edition (in English) of the Prologue of Ohrid as well as full translated Synaxarion. The Catholic volumes you can get seem to be critical historical texts rather than aids to piety.

>>19842944
>Why can't you get a decent collection of the Lives of the Saints in Catholicism?
Bait.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acta_Sanctorum
Of course this is a scholarly gigantic collection. If you want something more devotional, or advanced research on a given person, there are gorillonz of texts available in many languages about particular saints or groups of saints.

>>19842988
I want something like this
https://sebastianpress.org/the-prologue-of-ohrid-lives-of-saints-hymns-reflections-and-homilies-for-every-day-of-the-year/

Does anyone actually like the long lists of names or possessions in the Old Testament?

Wasn't he Arian?

>>19843164

I do. Sometimes a name will stick out to me and see the meaning, and it will apply to me.

>>19843176
How so? Do you read it in Hebrew?

>>19843164
I like the Genesis genealogy because it proves that old earth/evolution is false.

>>19843164
It's a little annoying, but I really like how you are reading all of these seemingly made up names and then all of a sudden you see a name you recognize.

just finished exodus, I thought the genealogy in genisis is pretty boring but god's arts and craft class was even worse, will it continue like this?

I've been having urges recently to go out and build God an alter out of stones and branches, raise a cross above it and pray at it, like in the old days.
I don't think God wants me to sacrifice anything on it, but what about food offerings? Is the whole thing heretical? It's just a physical practice and expression of my worship, right?

>>19843164
Yes because they hint at bits of ancient lore buried within later sources the Biblical authors used.

>>19843382
Burn incense on it and recite some of the Psalms. Or if you do leave something on it, recite some Psalms. Or just make the altar and recite some Psalms so you now have a holy site set aside for God. Though I'm a tad heterodox, so maybe get a second opinion.

>>19842944
>falling for Satan's traps
Just read the Holy Bible, son.

>>19843439
>Satan's trap is reading the lives of holy Christians of the past
Go away

>>19843448
Often cape fictions.

>>19843428
Thanks, anon

>>19843439
>>19843461
>nooooooooo it's all lies!!!
Begone, Satan.

>>19843382
An altar is something on which a sacrifice is made. The sacrifice that God asks of you is that you take up your cross and follow Christ through obedience, humility, and repentance.

>>19843428
>altar
For what? Jesus already payed for all of your sins you can add nothing. To begin with sacrifices were just a type of Christ and never actually took away sin but faith in God and his promises made people righteous.

>>19843761
Do not post this blasphemous filth here.

Rom. 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

>>19843631
>Begone, Satan
This is what you need to be saying every time Ishtar makes an apparition claiming to be Mary and convincing you to pray to "her" instead of God.

>>19841805
fuck off

r8 my filters

>>19843769
That’s in reference to dog fucking.
Notice only the males doing it with each other is referred to.
>due penalty
Which is not marrying and passing on a son. You’ve been reading this all wrong!

>>19843793
Discussion of the Bible version you have filtered might occur outside of shitposting so I would not be so broad about that.

>>19843164
I only read them once out of some sort of duty. I went through imagining buried history there.

>>19843359
It gets worse in Lev-Num. The torah is the worst part of the bible honestly. Deuteronomy aside, which was written later and is more related to the books following than to the first four books of the Pentateuch. First time readers should unironically skip Lev-Num. I assume many people that tried a cover to cover reading just drop a that point.

>>19843781
Go back to >>>/his/ you plague dogs.

>>19843439
>the communion of the saints is Satan
Nigger you are commiting heresy after heresy

>>19843808
fuck off

>>19843817
You are a plague

>>19843802
Any discussion about the KJV won't be filtered.

>>19843827
fuck off

>>19843832
A pox on your house! Err, dorm.

>>19843838
fuck off

>>19843793
You will never be a woman, troon.

>>19843839
Jesus will spit in your face as you roast in hell.

>>19843853
Jesus is in Heaven with the Father and The Holy Spirit

>>19843793
>filters the Kang version

>>19843793
I kneel

>>19843809
>the absolutely real communion of the saints has anything to do with fictional "saint" stories

>>19843761
>>19843801
Homosexuality is wrong, you heretic.

>>19843856
He likes to take strolls in hell to spit on the suckers there. He can’t wait to see you. He asks for you. I have to let him down and say “No, he hasn’t committed suicide yet”. He looks crestfallen. You make him sad.

>>19841801
>Text of The Lord's Prayer in the Wulfila Bible, with transliteration

>>19843897
I could read the last word.

>>19843896
>condemming a man to Hell
>while also assuming hod God feels about me
You are a heretic, anon. You don't believe in any of your words and the only thing you reveal is your arrogance and vanity

>>19843891
So you promote dog fucking.
And then there’s that bit in the bible about sending under age girls out to get raped by the butterfuckers. You encourage this rather than normal adult sexuality. This is why priests allow pedos a sage haven and vocation. You people are sickos.

>>19843887
>not that communion of the saints, I mean the other one
the absolute state of the Ishtarfag

>>19843906
I am a demon. I will be your roaster. Welcome to the internet and your favourite porn site.

>>19843909
>making false assumptions and putting words in my mouth
You are a blasphemer and a heretic, anon.
You are not going to have your "gotcha" moment here.

>>19843923
>I am a demon
You are nothing more than an arrogant man.

>>19843909
>butterfuckers
They have used butter, but that’s not what I meant to write, of course.

This thread went downhill fast.

When did protestant schizos switch from saying saints are Hellenic-Roman paganism to claiming it's about Ishtar?

>>19843933

>>19843943
We are making enemies fast. From the people that do not want Bible discussion on /lit/, to those that genuinely hate Christianity.

>>19843953
we don't really give a fuck though, it's kinda like kpop thread
except that /mu/ genuinely has kpop enhusiasts/creeps, whereas /lit/ bible spamming was only a psyop by poltards
the LARP is over, nothing to see here

>>19843953
indeed brother
they are scared

Finally got it on a sudden $10 price drop.

>>19843953
It’s a well know fact you people have ruined the quality of discourse around here. You’re a cancer and out to strangle all other topics enjoyed here

>>19843947
Apparitions of "Mary" specifically are Ishtarian. Ishtar is a Babylonian demon woman who in historical myths particularly specializes in overtaking the dominion of other deities. Now notice that before the Catholic/"Orthodox™" schism the church had gradually taken in increasing levels of Marian devotion until it culminated in actually praying to "her" instead of God. Other demons did indeed work themselves into the pagan notion of there being specific "saints" in charge of certain aspects of life (patron "saints") and people began praying to them instead of God. Satan rolls with laughter at fooling God's people into praying to him and his demons instead of God.

>>19843980
Pretty good.
I was thinking about the doing the same, but I can't decide if I want to learn koine greek first and read the Bible in greek, or learn latin for the Vulgata.

>>19843983
You can't seriously post Diderot while accusing anyone of lowering the level of discourse.

>>19843971
Do kpoptards infiltrate multiple threads and tell them they’re stupid/sinful for listening to anything else besides kpop? They’re a degree or two worse.

>>19843977
Not scared. Annoyed.

>>19843991
Burn a cross into your forehead

>>19843991
Based

>>19844001
Embarrassing post.

>>19844014
Not based

>>19843999
>Do kpoptards infiltrate multiple threads and tell them they’re stupid/sinful for listening to anything else besides kpop?
Well you have posters like you coming specifically to a bible thread to trash posters there.

>>19844016
Seriously. You’re over 18?
Like saying “cowabunga dude”

>>19844024
Do we get many on topic posters infiltrating these threads? First time for me.

>>19843990
I already got the Tyndale House GNT, so no worries, I didn't start with the Latin either.

>>19843633
>>19843684
I do understand the theology behind sacrifices and all that, and i am not looking to use them to repent.
It's more of a physical desire, to build something for God, to use my body to actually raise a place of worship, which hopefully calls to others who discover it to pay their own homages to God. I know burning a loaf of bread and come cucumbers from the garden aren't going to alleviate my soul of sin, but I still feel like doing it.
It's odd.

I feel hopeless. Protestantism leaves me feeling spiritually dead. In Catholicism I feel like there is no peace, due to Frances and the changes it has undergone in the last 50 years. Orthodoxy feels very alienating to me, but I could perhaps deal with it, but the only parish is far away. I wish I had not been born here. It feels like some kind of wasteland.

>>19844109
You are a weak fool

>>19844109
You're putting far, far too much hope in a building and the people in it. Community is central to Christian faith but the reality is at the end of the day, it's just you and Jesus. He's who you serve and follow.
Your place at any of those churches should be service. Help people who need it, volunteer for everything. There are old folks at all 3 churches who need someone to do things like home repairs, driving around, a friend to talk to.
Of course, if the church is outright heretical your only involvement should be correcting them and if they won't change, leaving them.
Find your faith in service and humility, ad our exemplar did.

>>19844109
Your faith should be put on God/Christ, not an earthly institution. The ekklesia is made up of all legitimate Christians regardless of what institutions they are/aren't in. Visit various churches of various types and listen for the voice of the Shepherd to lead you to a gathering that He wants you to be a part of to serve Him in. Do not presuppose your own understandings of what He wants to do through you.

>>19844143
And you are making for a poor Christian and a poor brother.
>let all your speech be for building up.

I've said and done absolutely Satanic things again recently. I feel like shit.

>>19844167
You are obviously a weak fool groveling around for a daddy figure to confirm your beliefs. Who are you to say the Pope isn’t getting it right? What hubris to believe it’s you and your opinion that it the will of your god. A pompous weak fool.

>>19844191
Like what?

>>19844191
Exactly what you wanted to happen.

>>19844195
Protestantism has become utterly repulsive to me. The Catholic parish near me is basically a Protestant building, there's not any discernible difference outside of a few statues. Looking at that type of thing makes me feel despair.

>>19844227
Have you attended a service there? The building might look the same, but that doesn't mean everything else is.

>>19844231
It's standard Novus Ordo with altar girls, etc. I've seen it.

>>19844195
First and foremost, your behavior and language is abhorrent to both God and your pope. The other anon is experiencing a common, and scriptural, personal event, the discongruity between the earthly kingdoms and the heavenly. His struggle is common and clearly expected as the scriptures comment on how this happens to people and even some of God's prophets experienced it.
Pope Francis and Anon are absolute equals in the eyes of our creator. Francis is in possession of nothing which elevates him beyond Anon, or you, or I.
And tell me this, friend, what of the ex cathedra of Pope Christopher or Alex VI? Those who swore oaths to the devil and publicly raped children? If they sat that golden throne now, and they spoke ex cathedra and denounced Christ as God, and changed doctrine so that Catholics need worship the Devil? What defense do you render them, and what defense do you render yourself if you believe you're obligate to their commands?
Seek the log in your own eye, my friend.

The pope is a satanic nigger.
There I said it.

>>19844227
God was born in a barn. While the Jews and Samaritans bickered over "muh true temple" Christ said the Father wants worshipers in spirit and truth. You are seeking to worship buildings and rituals, not God.

>>19844213
I've said evil and spiteful things

Is it normal for a Catholic church to not have pews and just have chairs?

>>19844304
Yes

>>19844109
>It feels like some kind of wasteland.
It's all a wasteland.

>>19844243
>You can’t talk that way to Me!
How are you important? You make your god ashamed of you. You pompous weak fool.
I’m not even promoting this pope. I am sick of hearing about ratzinger being a better one. The whole institution has is nothing but a pedophile haven.

>>19844311
Isn't it normal to kneel at points though?

>>19844332
You and I are exact equals. I am no more important than you, nor you I, nor the other anon for that matter.
And I never said you CAN'T talk to me like that, what I'm telling you is your creator told you not to talk to anyone like that.
Be better.

>>19844227
I may just accept it and go there anyway. I want somewhere I can go to regularly, for example during the week and everything else is too far for that. It's also the only Catholic parish around that has decent times scheduled for confession, which is important since I work nights.

Rate /lit/'s shelves.
>>19843378
>>19843383

>>19844109
>God plainly tells us in the Holy Bible that everything humans do is corrupted and doomed
>the world is wicked
>it's only going to get worse and worse until He returns
>It feels like some kind of wasteland
Welcome to yesterday.

>>19844521
I just want to go to a church that will be conducive to my spiritual growth. There exist quite plainly but are too far away.

>>19844520
I was enjoying it until I got to the second image and saw all the weeb shit. Repent.

>>19844524
Maybe God wants you to learn some badly needed lessons in humility. You are not too good for the church and people you are judging to be not good enough for (You).

>>19844520
How much did that copy of Genesis, Creation, and Early Man set you back?

>>19844538
I have considered this. I want a strong support beneath me because I am weak and prone to despair.

>>19844530
>>19844546
I'm not the OP. Go to that thread and ask him yourself. I just thought this thread would get a kick out of them.

Is it true that conversion to Orthodoxy in America is primarily among educated upper-middle class people?

>>19844565
Yeah, humble people in a humble church can't possibly understand and provide communal support for despair. Maybe your focus being on surface trappings instead of God is a key to understanding why you have such despair to begin with. Maybe God's will is more important than yours which is just stumbling in the dark feeling for light switches but every time you find one you think you need one that "feels better" than the perfectly good one at your fingers.

>>19844595
LARPers of all persuasions.

>>19844600
I will not accuse them of lack of humility, but the church is a nice building that was built fairly recently, so they apparently purposefully constructed it to look as it does on the inside. They also recently installed an expensive add-on building rather than improving the interior, but I do not know ultimately. You may be right, though.

>>19844637
As long as you receive the sacraments you are good.

>>19842944
Have you not heard of Butler's Lives of the Saints?

>>19844637
For 80+ years the Catholic church in my area was a tiny nothing special brick building attended by maybe 20 yankee transplants. The sanctuary was very small with plain white walls but did have wooden pews. After 40 years of Hispanic influx they finally built a new building. On the outside it's mainly plain but has a hint of Southwestern detailing. On the inside it's mostly very plain and has folding chairs. Some of the kids do altar duties sorta sloppily. At least they are there doing that instead of in a backyard shed huffing gas. Maybe at some point in life they will truly hear the voice of the Shepherd. Some of them surely will. Maybe if someone who really loved God a lot started going there in addition to whatever ones already do it would help that to happen sooner and stronger.

>>19844669
The original is old and doesn't include recent saints and I've read that the revised editions are bad

>>19844681
Loreto Publications sells an unrevised version. maybe try using fucking google for once you lazy fuck.
>HURRR, why Gadolick no have nice books like Ortouks?
It's like the stupidity and ignorance is by choice.
>>19844595
> among educated upper-middle class people
obviously not, since the people begoooming are some of the stupidest laziest and most entitled fucking retards I've ever met. on second thought, maybe they are...

>>19844637
>>19844680
Scratch "folding chairs", it's picrel.

>>19844546
OP: >>19844675

>>19844717
The church I'm referring to has chairs similar to that but more spaced out and there are no kneelers

>>19844595
Anecdotal, but most of the catechumens at my local parish were college students or younger men with families (30s and below).

>>19844788
I started to wonder because I have heard that stereotype before, and then recently I drove by my local Orthodox parish and it was in a very wealthy neighborhood.

>>19844752
I wonder what the church of Acts had?

>>19844804
YMMV depending on your area. My parish has a larger church in a middle-class neighborhood and a very small chapel in a neighborhood that's just above trailer-park tier.

>>19844701
My other objection was that it was old and did not include new saints. I did find this though which seems like it would fill the gap.

We're having a discussion lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FEjSqTMlIA

>>19844530
Sounds like a personal problem. Zelda, Tenchi, Excel Saga and Overlord are awesome.

Modern "Lives of the Saints"

>>19844955
Source is pic related

>>19844233
If you want the tradlarp just find a parish with tridentine masses. If you don't live in a desert it might no be the local parish but it's s usually accessible by car and you wouldn't be bothered by the drive if you're legitimately concerned about Novus Ordo.

>>19845007
I don't need that. I like Latin but I would be okay with a Novus Ordo that is celebrated respectfully.

>>19843801
>women should fuck each other, not dogs
yeah, I can see that improving society somewhat

>>19841801
>>>>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities,go to /his/

Why doesn't anyone read the fucking sticky around here?

>>19845251
I dunno anon, what's the Bible again?

>>19845267
Religion

>>19845287
Think really hard about why people might discuss the Bible on a literature board. Go ahead and take a couple minutes, I know this is a tough question.

>>19845305
Don't care. It's religion. Now kindly please fuck off to /his/ like you were told to.

>>19845319

>>19845251
stick to discussion of the themes and linguistics of the good book in this general, and go to /his/ to discuss the religion itself

debating edition based on a single word change for the sake of an accurate translation is pure /lit/
debating edition based on the implications of a single word change on what the text means is still /lit/ but equally /his/
debating branch differences is pure /his/ and needs to stay there

>>19845251
>>19845330
Feel free to hide the thread if you don't want to see it. It's been going for many threads now with no issues.

>>19845330
How about (You) stick to being a faggot on /lgbt/.

>>19845319
>>19845323
no one else in human history has done as much to boost interest in reading and literature as Martin Luther
/lit/ owes the bible that much, at least

>>19845356
nah man I'm agreeing that /lit/ needs a bible general, but saying that there's a ton of off-topic discussion in here that belongs on /his/ instead
it's fine really, bound to happen even and keeps the thread active, but they're still in the wrong

>>19845330
>Good book
>Full of slaughter degeneracy and jews

L M F A O

>>19845558
"muh old testament"
this shows the jew/atheists ignorance

>>19845389
Aside from being an ahistorical statement, considering the lag between the time of Martin Luther and actual democratization of reading, it is also ignoring the restrictive range of reading implied. By shilling the sola scriptura, he deterred people from reading anything else but the bible, to the point many homes had this and barely any other book for a while in some parts. Saint Peter Canisius had to start reprinting other books on religion in Germany, even the works of the great doctors had become hard to find.
More importantly from a strict /lit/ perspective, mass "literacy" (which would have happened whatever the religious opinions) had a questionable, mixed influence on high literature.

>>19845651
>reformed the German language from hundreds of regional dialects to one spoken nation wide
>spawned dozens of copycats in other countries who saw the effect
>massive portions of the population learned to read specifically for the Lutheran bible
>noooo! anyone could have done this, Martin Luther is given too much credit for the well documented impact of printing the bible to the masses
Well they didnt, he did.
you are deluded

>>19845741
Based Martin Luther, I didn't know these things about him.

>>19845584
Why would a Jew be upset about the Torah? Yahweh says in it that they get to rule the world and that he'll spread false religions to hoodwink the goyim.

>>19845782
have you never met a Jew?
they hate God and follow what they believe to be him out of fear and resent everyone else for not fearing alongside them

self hating Jews isn't a stereotype, it's the reality

and they also love pretending to be atheists to try and hurt Christians, cause we have a good relationship with God and they hate it

We need to petition Crossway to remove the V and make it English Standard Bible. This would not have been applicable before the Holy Spirit guided the restoration of the originally inspired Genesis 3:16 but it is now.

Why are there no excellent bible translations? There are hundreds of them and were forced to choose between translations ranging from terrible to okay. Most of them aren't even translating the correct text ffs

>>19845968
Because of the absolute state.

>>19845968
Septuagint? Vulgate?

>>19845803
You have never read the Bible or met a Je.

>>19845775
Read >>19841952

>>19846067
>In a few months such people deemed themselves so learned that they were not ashamed to dispute about faith and the gospel not only with Catholic laymen, but even with priests and monks and doctors of divinity
BASED

I finished reading Genesis last week. I'm jumping back to the NT and reading Romans. The last 10 or so chapters of Genesis with Joseph are beautiful.

>>19842834
Didn’t want them to go around attacking the Roman Empire using scripture as justification

> The Roman writer Philostorgius says Ulfilas translated "all the books of Scripture with the exception of the Books of Kings, which he omitted because they are a mere narrative of military exploits, and the Gothic tribes were especially fond of war, and were in more need of restraints to check their military passions than of spurs to urge them on to deeds of war.”

A fruitful video.
https://youtu.be/WxUamnETQZg

Fap Free February is about to begin.

>>19846587
>Israel hasn't put any effort into preserving it or funding further investigation
lmao
whether or not it's the actual site it claims to be if it was then it would be one of the most important religious sites to Judaism and they ignore it because it's politically expedient to the nation and strokes the egos of the scholars who decry it
2000 years and Jews act the same as in the new testament

>>19846825
And why am I not surprised that a man by the name of "Israel Finkelstein" is extremely shady and yet is puffed up as an authoritative figure simply because he reinforces the non-Biblical views that scholars want to believe are not only likely but rather empirically, overwhelmingly true...

>>19845886
Even if doctors chop off the """V""" it will never be a Bible.

>made in China
I cri erytiem

>>19845886
What you referring to? I checked the ESV, RSV, NRSV, NASB, NKJV, and KJV and they all read the same thing.

>>19847767
So many Vs swirling around have put you into a mire of confusion. Read very carefully:

https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-16.htm

Reminder that the Catholic church itself has admitted that the Pope did not have jurisdiction over the Eastern sees prior to the schism, meaning all of the Papal dogmas are false and the Pope is simply a local hierarch.

I'm turning into a Russian fiction character: a saint-whore! How do I stop? It's probably the only way I can continue existing.

>>19848599
>saint-whore
Turn into Mary of Egypt and go live in in the desert

>>19848584
http://www.christianunity.va/content/unitacristiani/en/dialoghi/sezione-orientale/chiese-ortodosse-di-tradizione-bizantina/commissione-mista-internazionale-per-il-dialogo-teologico-tra-la/documenti-di-dialogo/testo-in-inglese1.html

19. Over the centuries, a number of appeals were made to the bishop of Rome, also from the East, in disciplinary matters, such as the deposition of a bishop. An attempt was made at the Synod of Sardica (343) to establish rules for such a procedure. Sardica was received at the Council in Trullo (692). The canons of Sardica determined that a bishop who had been condemned could appeal to the bishop of Rome, and that the latter, if he deemed it appropriate, might order a retrial, to be conducted by the bishops in the province neighbouring the bishop’s own. Appeals regarding disciplinary matters were also made to the see of Constantinople, and to other sees. Such appeals to major sees were always treated in a synodical way. Appeals to the bishop of Rome from the East expressed the communion of the Church, but the bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches of the East.

>>19848584
cringe
see
https://endtimes.video/st-gregory-nazianzen-papacy/
Ultramontanism makes perfect sense in light of Church History, Scripture and common sense itself.

>>19848712
Nope. The text is here: >>19848710 (You)
>the bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches of the East.
Statements like Gregory's have to be read in the context of actual history, which is Rome never had canonical authority outside of her own See, as is admitted by Rome herself. Rome had a primacy of honor, nothing else.

Reposted because in the original I didn't separate the quote correctly.

>>19848712
Also president would not be accurate regarding the current dogma of the Papacy. The correct term would be a monarch. A president does not have direct universal control over every constituent body.

Ho do you guys actually avoid harboring bad feelings like hatred and lust? Praying sincerely is very easy, and spewing hatred on those whom I perceive as enemies of good even easier, but the whole thing about love, you know, the #1 thing, feels almost impossible. You know? How do you not do that?

>>19848734
No one responds to everyone knows any advice they give would be hypocritical.

>>19848935
Isn't that part of Christianity? To accept that you are a loathsome, unworthy sinner who deserves nothing good, and despite knowing he's sinning, sins regardless every day? The problem I see with this is that you might just say, well, if I sin so badly I'll just pray harder and feel guiltier and guiltier! That's how you become the saint-whore as of above. But what can you do if your heart is so passionate! It's because I am such a passionate being that I am drawn to repent. And somehow it's more comfortable to sin like a degenerate and whip yourself around miserably than to not sin and feel rewarded for not sinning. AAAAAAAAA

>>19848952
We can only become holier and closer to God by an increasing recognition of our sinfulness. The more we understand how unworthy and sinful we are, the more holy we can become. The way up is the way down. Likewise the more we understand our own sin, the more we understand that we are worse sinners than the people we despise. What you hate in them is worse in yourself.

>>19848966
>What you hate in them is worse in yourself.
Yes this is the worst thing. Although I do not particpate I know that the reason why I detest sin in others is that I am guilty of those very sins myself. The more aware I become that I am a weak man full of vice, the more I hate other weak men full of vice.
The worst thing is that I unironically find comfort in the idea that I am worthy of punishment. I sin and repent, sin and repent, while my hands and thoughts are still soiled with sin. AHHHHH it's torture. It's torture. I don't know how the monks do it. I am so intimidated by the aloofness of monks I can't talk to them.

>>19848997
Remember that this is not a cause for hate. While you hate yourself and others because of sin, Christ loved you, as well as them, enough to die for you all.

>Priest raises the possibility that the vaccine may be the mark of the beast
Very based

>>19848727
>>19848720
muh primacy of honor
>So, when St. Gregory says that Rome is the president over all in regard to the faith, is he merely talking about some kind of primacy of honor that doesn’t include authority? Of course not. The claim is preposterous. He is talking about Rome’s authority or presidency over all other bishops and churches.

>In fact, in the early Church bishops were not only called ἐπίσκοποι (episkopoi) but sometimes πρόεδροι (proedroi), presidents, the plural of the word πρόεδρος. Indeed, at the 7th century Council of Trullo (a council cited by many Eastern ‘Orthodox’), both words πρόεδρον and προεδρία were used specifically to describe a bishop’s authority and power within his territory.

>Now, it is a fact that the early Church recognized that a bishop (as πρόεδρος or president of his congregation) had jurisdiction in his area, which included the power to approve, command, rule, punish, etc.

>Thus, when St. Gregory speaks of Rome and Constantinople in regard to the faith, and uses πρόεδρον to say that Rome is the president over all, he is teaching that the See of Rome had authority over all the other bishops and thus the entire Church. Further, just like a bishop as πρόεδρος of his diocese had a power of jurisdiction that included the authority to decree punish, etc., Rome (as πρόεδρος over all) possessed that power over the universal Church.

https://endtimes.video/st-gregory-nazianzen-papacy/

>>19849339
Rome itself has stated that the Pope did not exercise authority over the East. That's the end of it, anon. You're defending something Rome doesn't even believe.

>>19849339
>https://endtimes.video
meds

I think that eventually there's going to be a "reinterpretation" of the Papal dogmas. That's the only way to make a reunion happen, and no one in Rome actually believes in this shit anymore. They just need to do it slowly to keep the laity from getting upset.

>>19849371
where in fact does Rome say this? Knowing how underhanded and unreliable the ortoduks are (hence the necessity of Ultramontanism), I'm more inclined to believe that you just made this claim up and are now trying to convince others to believe you by simply repeating it over and over without anything that isn't your own conceit to back it up.

>>19849388
I posted it earlier but here's the link again

http://www.christianunity.va/content/unitacristiani/en/dialoghi/sezione-orientale/chiese-ortodosse-di-tradizione-bizantina/commissione-mista-internazionale-per-il-dialogo-teologico-tra-la/documenti-di-dialogo/testo-in-inglese1.html

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue Between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church

"Synodality and Primacy During the First Millennium: Towards a Common Understanding in Service to the Unity of the Church"
Chieti, 21 September 2016

The relevant portion is section 19 near the end.

>>19842222
King James Only

>>19849395
Your source is a Council that was originated by an anti-pope? Get the fuck outta here dude. Pope John XXIII was a freemason and ipso facto deprived of exercising papal authority. a non-catholic can no more be a pope than hitler a rabbi.
you're delusional man
you're speaking to an Ultramontanist and you think that anything emanating from Vatican II and the Vatican II popes carries any weight with me? you're fucking dumb, guy.

>>19849385
you just need to continue bowing to an anti-pope because he makes you happy, Schismatic.

>>19849431
Figures I was talking to a sede schizo. If you're correct then Catholicism is completely false and you need to convert to Orthodoxy or something.

>>19849454
>and you need to convert to Orthodoxy or something.
Orthodoxy is a turncoat religion. I have no interest in even breathing the same air as you subhumans.

>>19849431
>>19849454
You two have tons of Catholic forums to go, but you try to come subvert imageboard in predominantly protestant countries. Evil.

>>19849469
If the Catholic church has failed, which by any traditional metric it has failed if sedevacantism is correct, then that means it was always false and either Orthodoxy or Protestantism is right.

>>19849476
STOP. MAKING. CATHOLICISM. LOOK. SILLY.
IT'S THE CHURCH OF GOD
CATHOLICS ARE GOD'S STRONGEST SOLDIERS, NOT SILLY LOOKING ZOOMERS
STOP MAKING CATHOLICS LOOK LIKE LAUGHABLE, SILLY FIGURES.

>>19849487
It's either that or sedevacantism is false and the current Catholic Church (including the Pope) has not fallen, though it is injured.. The position that doesn't work is sedevacantism.

>>19849500
WHY ARE YOU YELLING

>>19849500
This is what Catholics should tell each other. Nothing says "I am a retard" like defending apparitions of "Mary" and praying to "her" instead of God.

>>19849487
>which by any traditional metric it has failed if sedevacantism is correct
nope. Sedevacantism is merely the recognition that Catholicism is the one true religion and that the only failure is on the part of the faithful that have yet to turn out every "ecumenical" traitor in Rome who says retarded bullshit such as what you shared in this post >>19849395
but knowing how dishonest anti-Sedes are, you don't care to admit any of that because then you'd have to admit that you really are a turncoat and even through your new religion you betray yourself when you get all "ecumenical" with the anti-popes in Rome atm.

>>19849525
>the pope has authority over all of christianity
>except this pope who says things I disagree with and talks to people from those yucky denominations I don't like I hate that guy so much he's not a real pope so I won't listen to anything he says
>anyway that's why you should join the church that has a pope and not the church that doesn't have a pope

>>19849525
You're a crypto-Protestant, anon. Accept it.

>>19849549
This, trying to have their cake and eat it too.

>>19849385
What they'll have to do probably is say that the post-schism councils were not actually ecumenical councils but local councils and then have a new ecumenical council (with Eastern Orthodox) to "receive" the councils in a manner that reinterprets the objectionable dogmas.

I unironically think that by the time of the Second Coming, the only Christian churches left on Earth will be the Apostolic Church (union of the RC and EO) and the LDS church.

>>19849576
I think this may be the long-term plan (I could be wrong). Stuff like this >>19849395 makes a massive inroad in that direction.

>>19849576
>>19849605
It would probably be advisable in this to anathematize Pius IX, but my guess is that they won't do it and will just let it slide.

>>19849624
It would be pretty difficult to anathematize a canonized saint, wouldn't it?

>>19849640
He's currently "Blessed" so he does not have a universal feast day yet, but that is the reason I think it will be papered over.

>>19849594
By the time of the Second Coming Christianity will be outlawed and there will be nothing but house churches of all kinds. Finally authentic Christianity restored. Imagine thinking that any "Church™" that became an earthly government is legitimate.

>>19849699
There were bishops even under Roman persecution.

>Mussolini is in heaven
based

just started Exodus, had to take a week off reading due to illness and I thought this was a striking passage
>it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at [Moses's] feet
what an earthy scene! mixed with a little supernatural horror. Was God in human form here? and the picture (and sound) of the bloody foreskin landing on the dusty ground before Moses's smelly sandaled feet... great stuff

>>19849699
This. Our chinese Overlords and Tech Autocrats will have banned all forms of Christianity. The Bible will be illegal to own or the world will be so degenerate and retarded living in the Metaverse that no one will care about it.

>>19849594
The Amish are growing and will likely still exist unless they get exterminated by some future Satanic dictator.

>>19849431
>>19849525
You should watch this video, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tS-1J42jj4

>>19850032
I'm almost 6 minutes in and he still hasn't named them.

>>19850111
You need to give up this political ressentiment if you want to grow spiritually.

>>19849804
>Metaverse
Yes, most will all be neurolinked into the AI god at this point. The AI will be calling all of the shots, having analyzed and determined essentially everything from the ground up, remaking everything in its image, according to its "perfect wisdom" (it will have "done the math").

Do not give into temptation this evening for your first day of Fap Free Feb. Fear the LORD and depart from evil. It shall be health (medicine) to thy navel and marrow (watering or moistening) to thy bones (Prov 3:8).

I just botched a binding of De Imitatione Christi. Swapped two signatures midway in, only saw it after it was finished. Feeling kind of salty that I wasted hours of work.

>>19850665
Shame. I'm preparing a goatskin binding of my long-time Bible right now. I've done a number of practice bindings with old cheap books and cheap leather, but I've probably spent more time drawing plans for this binding project than all those practice sessions.

>>19850665
God's way of telling you to stick with the Bible.

>>19850846
You will never be a real Christian.

>>19849576
imagine believing that reconciling with an anti-pope in any way legitimizes your Schismatic sect. Keep dreaming, Schismos.

>>19850948
I wonder what it will be like to be (You) at the moment that comment comes up before Christ in your final judgement replay?

>>19851058
So you're telling me that rejecting the legally elected pope and calling him an "anti-pope" for vague reasons like his support of dialogue with other denominations doesn't make you a schismatic? Is that right?

>>19851118
He'll point out your death faith lacking any good works.

>>19851184
>digs own hole even deeper
I pray that He has mercy on your retardation and does not impute any of this unto (You) for you know not what you do.

>>19851206
>continues with the insults
Yep, calling people retarded for pointing out your lack of grace, charity, and faith is definitely how you show you have grace, charity, and faith. Be saved.

>>19844097
body is temple

>>19845803
Based and true

>>19850709
Good luck anon. I wanted to rebind a Transetto but I wouldn't take apart a new book. For the time being I put a soft leather "dust jacket" on it over its current binding and held it on with book corners. It's very nice. Shame it's text only with no references or concordance, but it might be my favorite Bible so far.

>>19851279
>For the time being I put a soft leather "dust jacket" on it over its current binding and held it on with book corners. It's very nice.
Ah, I've seen some Japanese Bibles with those, like picrel.

>>19851174
> the legally elected pope
if a pope has no intention of carrying out the responsibilities of his office, then he is deprived of the authority to do so in the same way that a pilot who turns out to be a terrorist is no pilot after all, but a terrorist. This would make more sense to you if I listed to you the history of the anti-popes in the Church, and how what is occurring today is nothing out of the ordinary when taking all of Church History into account.
It should be noted that some popes have even been declared anti-popes after their death and at the end of their papacy upon the discovery of certain beliefs that they held being inconsistent with Catholic Teaching. So, you should not be so obdurate against the idea that what we've had for the past few decades have been a string of anti-popes, one after another, some less venomous than others but venomous to the Faith nonetheless. The turbulence should be no cause for concern however, for the Lord's Plan is a mystery to our eyes but is no less certain of being fulfilled despite our ignorance of it. Have Faith, and kill the turncoats desu.

>>19851333
Pope Francis is carrying out the responsibilities of his office better than any since Adrian VI. The only way I can see him lacking is not outlawing the evil Latin Mas altogether. All Christians should be in the same Mass and should be getting both species of the Eucharist.

>>19851333
Explain, Mr. Arbiter of All the Papacy, how Francis isn't carrying out the responsibilities of his office.
>>19851424
The way the RC practiced the mass for hundreds of years is evil? Really?

>>19851517
It was unspeakably evil to withhold the blood and to do everything in a language that people couldn't understand, yes. Evil does not get transformed into good by doing it for a long time.

>>19851517
>Explain, Mr. Arbiter of All the Papacy, how Francis isn't carrying out the responsibilities of his office.
Well, it kinda goes back to Vatican II and the fact that Roncalli was a Freemason and therefore excommunicated from the Church, thereby de-legitimizing all of his subversion to begin with. Sedevacantists maintain Church Tradition as handed down by the legitimate Roman Curia, and not the subverted one, simple as. There really is nothing more to it buddy. Keep the Faith and reject anti-popes. It's literally simple. I don't understand why this is hard for anti-Sedes to simply accept. Take your time if you must, but do take the time.

>>19851545
>that people couldn't understand,
ecclesiastical latin is not difficult to understand.
and always in the Churches there were resources available to aid the understanding of the faithful when requested.

>>19851310
Yeah I've done exactly that. I put the magnifying lens in the picture just for scale because it's credit card sized. It has the font size of a Cameo or slightly smaller because it opens up top-down instead of left to right and somehow they fit a whole Bible with a legible font in there.

>>19851583
>we had major stumbling blocks but people could climb over them if they wanted to badly enough

>>19851619
>major stumbling blocks
latin is not a major stumbling block
plus, you are leaving out the fact that you are speaking in a world that is much less latinized than before, since the removal of the Latin Mass all around the globe. You cannot leave out the fact that in the past, in a time more abundant in Latin usage especially for essential services such as the Sacraments, the actual amount of 'stumbling' due to Latin was much lower than you might actually imagine and in all likelihood not even comparable with the amount of 'stumbling' that you instinctively (brutishly) think as having occurred then, speaking as you do as someone living in a world that has lost significant amounts of contact with a language that has been in usage for eons. Suppose for instance the Latin Mass was re-introduced all around the globe. Wouldn't it naturally follow that familiarity with Latin would also increase? And then, wouldn't you have some sort of basis for understanding the kinds of 'stumbling' that happens on account of Latin usage? Only after such a scenario had taken place could you even suppose that Latin was a 'stumbling' block in anyway; for the time being you're just imagining things that you have no basis for imagining very well. and I don't think imagining things poorly is a good excuse for talking about the 'stumbling' that Latin presented to the faithful of the past.

>>19851576
So a council that took place before he was even elected makes him illegitimate?

>>19851735
anti-pope francis is by all accounts one of the most radical adherents of the council, so yes.

>>19851741
Just become a Protestant already.

>>19851744
I am faithful to the legitimate Roman Curia. From my perspective, it is you who is the Protestant, being faithful to a Protestantized Curia as you are.

>>19851723
Most of the people throughout the vast territories were illiterate and only spoke their regional language and mostly struggled to barely meet basic day to day needs, so yes, that's a lot to ask when we could have just done services they understood. Especially considering that they were paying us to just sit around being the Church for them.

>>19851775
Having been in that position myself recently I definitely think that masses should be in the vernacular.

>>19851775
the Church was always administering instruction, and even healthcare and whatnot. The Church was by no means perfect -- and much less the secular powers -- but the idea that getting rid of Latin in any way brings/has brought the Church nearer to perfection is just plain drivel -- just like Vatican II.
At last, you are being extremely presumptuous in assuming that the services and Sacraments received by the 'illiterate' masses were not received with devotion, piety and the utmost satisfaction of their souls -- hardly a knock against Latin usage.

>>19851823
Christ didn't say "just the bread is enough, the blood isn't really necessary".

>>19851823
>simping for Satan

>>19842023
white font in front of white clouds, lol

>>19844038
>>19843999
your family's last dozen generations were Christian, and you will not make a single generation against that, for you will never be a woman

>>19844819
Joana d'Arc took 500 years to become a saint, just to a almost worthless kid becomes one in less than half a decade for good family laces. papists deserve the rope

>>19852256
Repent

>>19852278
sorry, but I only repent my sins

>>19852256
>papists deserve the rope
>says this while trying to compare Saint Joan to another saint and offending the Church she belong to in life and as a Saint.
Holy Christ anon. What are you doing!?

>>19852524
the church, as a people, will live forever, but this piece of garbage is not holy by any means. Rome is corrupted from the inside out, just like the jews. If you still fallow it for its past glory, you are no different to the men who killed our Lord.

Thoughts on the Literal Standard Version? It describes itself as the most literal version of the Bible, and uses the Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls to inform it's translations.

>>19852736
I read verses from it all the time when doing parallels on Bible Hub. It's usually the closest to the King James.

>>19852892
I'm in the same boat, but what are your thoughts on using it as your primary bible version?

>>19853142
Not that anon, but for something super literal for academic-tier study, I still use the NASB77. The LSV reaches a point where you might as well just get an interlinear instead. I just don't see the utility of it, and I would definitely not recommend the LSV as a primary. Just because something is more literal does not mean it's better.

>>19853308
>The LSV reaches a point where you might as well just get an interlinear instead
Except that I can't read Greek or Hebrew.
>I still use the NASB77
I refuse to read primarily American translations of the Bible.

>>19853348
>Except that I can't read Greek or Hebrew.
....which is why I said interlinear and not a Greek/Hebrew text.

>>19853393
Forgive my noobness, but I thought interlinear bibles were traditional bible translations with the original language alongside the translated verses.

>>19853488
Interlinear Bibles are the Greek/Hebrew text with the corresponding English word above/below it. Word-order is not considered. They allow you the single most literal reading experience possible. For anyone looking into the LSV, as I said, you're better off just jumping straight to an interlinear for that purpose and choosing a less woodenly literal but actually readable translation as a primary (NASB, RSV, KJV, etc.) Anyone drawn to the LSV conceptually is already going to be inclined toward an interlinear anyway, so why half-ass it?

>>19853538
Ah I see, it takes word-for-word to a new extreme. But isn't there still some value in having a bible influenced by the Septuagint and DSS?

Anons help me out. My younger brother's birthday soon, he's at that stage in life where he's starting to look for answers, got into reading and exploring ideas. I'm honestly quite proud of him, I see basically myself at his age in him now. He always had a good brain, but went of the rails a bit (we all do), and was suprised to find out he'd started reading the bible, but says he's struggling a bit. I engaged on the same task when I was about the same age (a bit older actually), we were all raised christain but I think we all stopped believing at points, my journey back to faith started with my adventure into reading the bible cover to cover, however he has always been the most athiest I think, but he's quite spiritual and interested in theological and metaphorical matters. Suggestions on good books to help him along and something he might really appreciate and be a profound read for him? like any sort of bible that guides newbies through the meaning and context of things for example? Or Aquinas or Anselm, or Augustine or sometying? (I haven't read any of those yet). Thank you for reading my blog.

>>19843793
You are pathetic.

>>19853142
I wouldn't be strongly averse to the notion but I suppose if I was strongly enough for it I'd be doing that rather than using the King James. Incidentally, like >>19853308 I also have a NASB 1977, but I find the King James to be more accurate on the whole and rarely touch it but for occasional clarifications. I've looked into getting a Literal Standard for that purpose. Anyway, just give it a shot and see how it actually works out, I say. I've certainly considered it, and the Young's (LSV claims to be even more literal/accurate).
>>19853552
>isn't there still some value in having a bible influenced by the Septuagint and DSS
I tend to use the ESV with footnotes for this. It notates alternate manuscripts, LXX, and occasionally DSS (like in Habakkuk 2). Interestingly, I think the primary text of the NRSV gives a better Hab 2 reading and is based on the DSS there. I spoke with a professor of Hebrew who worked on a translation and he gave me his own direct Hab 2 translation straight from the MT/LXX/DSS in front of him and it came out pretty close to theirs.
>>19853710
ESV Study Bible is an incredible single volume with tons of explanatory material. The articles would be worth publishing as their own volume, really. *Very* highly recommendable for such a need. Find the table of contents online and look carefully.

>>19843933
You literally sound like some pathetic sheltered Victorian maiden who’s just been exposed to the real world.

>>19853142
I'll add to >>19853985 one example of why I stick with the King James over any other, including those outright claiming to be the most literal. Take a very careful look at the Bible Hub parallel of Psalm 2:1. Only the KJB, LXX, and Douay Rheims use the more appropriate "heathen/Gentiles" rather than "nations", and I consider that to be a very important distinction. I also prefer "meditate a vain thing" over "plot", but you really have to look into great depths of understanding of what is actually being expressed there to pick up on why this really matters, and word "scholars" aren't going to pick up on it. The King James is nowhere near perfect in the classical sense, but time after time those men prove out much better than most no matter how much "we now know".

>>19854099
Why do you think heathen or Gentiles is the best translation of Psalm 2:1.

>>19854140
Because it's what goyim means.

>>19854146
That seems fair. I should put together a list of important and clear bible verses to use to compare translations.

>>19854167
It takes a while to run up on your own selections, I've been at it 5 decades.

I should probably also point out that to get the most accuracy from the KJB you need a reference one that includes the original translators' footnotes and the cross references. They often notate Hebrew/Greek alternate potentials, like "wind" rather than "cool" of the day in Gen 3, sometimes translated as "breeze". This is important because wind/breath is associated with God's spirit and the texts seem to intend those associations as repetitive thematic symbols.

>>19852732
You're just a Donatist. Read Augustine.

>>19854199
Is there a search term I can use to find one of these? Or can you link a place I can buy one, preferably in a nice looking tome?

>>19854245
As far as I know any "reference" version should be good. Mine is a Church Bible Publishers Cameo. I am sure that the Cambridge ones are "top notch".

>>19854215
Anglicans have a core principle that ministry need not be faultless to be meaningful, but they still broke from the corruption of Rome.

>>19854287
They broke solely for political reasons, not due to anything related to corruption. Further if they did break due to moral corruption (which they didn't) they would be Donatists.

Reminder that every person who facilitated the English Reformation is currently in Hell.

>>19854298

>>19854314
Has nothing to do with that. They knowingly went into schism and then persecuted, tortured, and murdered those who would not. Pic related, the Carthusian monks who Henry VIII martyred, some were locked in prison and starved to death, others were disemboweled or hanged.

>>19854326
>muh schism
>muh one true organized church™
>muh cathedrals
>muh traditions of men
>muh golden idols
>muh purple and scarlet robes
>muh rounded sun-worship monk hair

>>19854298
>t. belongs to church that has commited more genocides than have ever occurred elsewhere put together

>>19854333
And everyone involved in such things will be held to account for it at the judgment.

>>19842023
Amen, I'm glad to see Anderson Bible way to heaven clips on all these boards, I even encountered it on /x/ once, God bless, listening to a sermon of his about tithing now haha

>>19842023
>>19854641
This is heresy. You have to do good works to be saved.

>>19853710
give him this.

Still looking for a church but things are looking up a bit. Found one that feels more like where I should be when I pray about it. I am examining beliefs. Thus far it seems to line up with mine but I'm gonna double check some scriptures when I can. It's been interesting cause just a few weeks ago I'd just about given up hope in finding a place. Took it to the Lord a little more seriously than I was (as I should have before) and am thankful for the results. Even if thus doesn't wind up as the one it shows me I should keep looking.

So don't lose heart anons that are looking for a church. Keep praying, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. You'll find it

>>19853986
am I a pretty maiden??

>>19853981
seethe

>>19854215
Augustine Would not support the modern church by any means.

>>19855394
Excuses. You deny the church's validity because of moral failure. You are a heretic.

>>19855401
you don't even have reasons to support the church. "it was good in the past" well, the church still lives, but definitely not Rome. Lefebvre fags are just in eternal cope, Second Vatican Council laughed in your face and you still refuse to believe it was real. The fact is, no matter how much they destroy it, you will still support it, because you are a weak man who can not let go of the past, just like a jew. Repent

>>19855468
You do not present a single argument. Your appeal is to a lack of goodness. Again, this is the formal heresy of Donatism. Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>19854332
I will pray for you that you might be in communion with the Roman Pontiff

DeepMind now has an AI coding engine that's as good as the average human programmer. We are quickly approaching the creation of our human made AI counterfeit "God", the singularity of Babylon. People will take the chip to interface with it. It will overwrite God's image in us. It will make and execute all decisions.

>>19856297
It's OK anon, in the meanwhile we're just about to come to an agreement over which Church is the real one. Give it a thousand years or two...

>>19856297
It's OK when we maintain allegiance to God's Kingdom and overcome the world with and through Christ, as part of His Body, which is the true church invisible, the ekklesia.

>>19856435
>>19856478

Can you anons recommend me any patristic or theological works on the nature and purpose of animals?

>>19856486
I'm not sure. Just look at the Ishtar anon here. His beliefs are completely incompatible with someone who believes in the intercession of Saints, and conversely, Protestants are not in communion with the Vatican. And that's without considering certain sects that aren't even Trinitarian and have major divergences with the three larger confessions. Who is right? I mean, there are surely JWs who are extremely devout. Will those be granted anything? Ishar anon also goes, every time something bad happen to one anon here, "God is telling you not to do X", what if God is actually testing one's resolve? At this point you either believe in absolute predetermination or it's very difficult to imagine that one's personal decision making, as long as he is in good faith, might be anywhere in harmony with God's will. I don't know anymore. Meanwhile evil advances with clockwork efficiency.

>>19852234
>Telling a demon he will never be a woman

>>19856568
>completely incompatible with someone who believes in the intercession of Saints
God as the head of the true church invisible delegates whatever is needed from each member of the Body. Members of the Body do not need to pray to each other, and in fact the constant praying for one's own self, begging for help, is a blockage to focusing on and doing what is actually needed.
>Protestants are not in communion with the Vatican
Anyone who is part of the ekklesia is in communion with God and that's all that matters, period. Everything else flows naturally from that. Seeking and doing God's will is what we are tasked with. God's will is an incredibly complex thing and reaches into the most obscure of situations, places, etc. There are many, many, many situations and places that no single earthly institution can or will reach, and in fact adherence to erroneous teachings from those institutions serve as stumbling blocks to God's will. Once you are elected there is no longer need to beg God or alleged "saints" to save you, it's then time to get to work of listening/watching for and doing His will. Endless begging on behalf of the self is narcissistic and Satanic. Stop praying to demons, they are warping you.

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The first step I took and many subsequent ones were in the Reformation. I dislike the Catholic Church very much, but the Reformed seem to have lost all sense of direction Much like you, they seem more concerned with what they are not than what they are. There's a comfort in this, I understand it. I think Protestantism goes so exquisitely hand in hand with the American spirit it's very difficult to take them apart in my mind. You thought you could do away with everything behind you to "fix" things and you lost your path completely as a consequence. You're telling me that all the extremely pious Christians who lived since Rome onwards were mistaken, while you are right and you will be saved. Someone who pretty much spends his days insulting other Christians who probably have a shaky faith or are somewhat curious to become serious. Why haven't you resigned to see the people in these threads as publicans and tax collectors if you detest them so much? You are always told off every time, you are extremely contentious every time. I think the majority of people here are convinced you're a leftist troll who's trying to shit up the thread. Do you pick and choose which Scripture verses to live by like 99% of Protestants? It's not like your country wasn't warped by demons, you have done so much damage upon this Earth as a country it's hard to describe. Now I don't care to know what you think. My argument was that everyone is convinced that the other will go to Hell. So did every faithful adherent to world religions that are now gone. Assuming that there is indeed one true Church that one should follow, which one is it? The Vatican goes by their tired pedigree according to which one is supposed to just grit his teeth through pachamama and other heresy, Protestants are a supermarket Christianity that you tailor to yourself as you please and had created the most nihilistic nation on Earth which in turn infected every other nation on Earth with this terminal disease. Orthodoxy is so weak it's caught in politics always bigger than itself and it's in constant pointless schisms. Even before the matter of Ishtar and all your autistic broken record groaning, it's the institutional faith itself that seems to be built on hollow ground, anywhere and everywhere. You don't even know which Communion to take. Can I take it where it's given to dogs? I wouldn't take it seriously. Can I take it where gays are married? I wouldn't take that Church seriously. Can I take it in another denomination's church? Nope, I am not allowed. Meanwhile, as I said, evil proceeds steadily and with only minor issues.