/lit/ - Literature

>>20005239
>Manson makes the argument, backed both by academic research and well-timed poop jokes, that improving our lives hinges not on our ability to turn lemons into lemonade, but on learning to stomach lemons better. Human beings are flawed and limited—"not everybody can be extraordinary, there are winners and losers in society, and some of it is not fair or your fault." Manson advises us to get to know our limitations and accept them. Once we embrace our fears, faults, and uncertainties, once we stop running and avoiding and start confronting painful truths, we can begin to find the courage, perseverance, honesty, responsibility, curiosity, and forgiveness we seek.

Mr. Putin drop the nukes plz

>>20005266
kek

It's all so tiresome

>>20005239
Certainly a bestseller among women who got raped, moms and dads whose children were captured and molested and school massacre victims' friends and families.

What pisses me off about this is I agree with 90% of the actual ideas there but the presentation is so retarded and reddit-tier that I hate it.

>>20005344
Same

>>20005259
> well-timed poop jokes
kek

>>20005352
That pepe is always spot-on but there's even more to it. There have been lots of investigations of the issues of "over concern" and America's particular cancer of forced positivity, and they've all shown that these are terrible both on the individual and societal level.

>"not giving a fuck"
>censorship on the cover
gay

>>20005239
Is there an antonym for the word sugarcoat? Cause I feel like that word would apply to this book. That annoying faux-realist “I’m just telling it how it is dude” stuff is unbelievably small dicked and I hate it. It’s impossible to not “give a fuck” about anything, this is the essence of the word “cope”. Unless you’re a Buddhist monk who has detached himself from all craving and now lives in solitude in a monastery, you will inevitably care about things. I don’t know, I’ve never bothered reading the book so maybe some of the things in it are of value, but it just seems like an elongated Medium article written by a sanctimonious uninteresting millennial.

>>20005519
who gives a fuck?

How did America develop this obnoxious culture of positivity and the equally obnoxious subsequent counterculture that this book advocates?

>>20005565
I read this a while ago. It's pretty down to earth honestly. Far less reddit than the overblown marketing would have you believe. He does address that there are things we should give a fuck about. He reiterates that it's right to prioritize, and not everything is worth caring for despite how much we might be convinced either by inertia of habit or social expectation to care for something. Not really much to take issue with in my opinion, besides the nitty gritty of his personal choices. The advice generalizes.

>>20005519
I think the publisher had a say in that.

>>20005239
It's so fucking derivative that it boggles my mind how people unanimously eat all of it up and ask for seconds. Just read the Greeks.

>>20005239
Robert Green, Ryan Holiday, and this guy all seem to presenting stoic philosophy as simple to understand advice entirely stripped from the metaphysics of stoicism.

>>20005352
For me, this pepe is the most mentally comforting. It exhibits contentment, a healthy level of self-assurance and a calm refusal to engage with that which is undesirable. I feel slightly better whenever I see it.

>>20005344
>>20005352
learn to stop having a stick up your arse. youre not superior for being serious and only digesting stuff that you think is designed for superior people. lighten the fuck up. youre probably not as great as you think you are either. unless you make 200k a year

>>20005259
The framing is cringe but really he's not wrong. Everyone here likes to make a big deal about struggle and "self-overcoming" but as far as I can tell it doesn't lead them to happiness or success

>>20006659
>salary as a measure of a person's worth cucked by capitalism. I know some people who make 200k+. They are just as lost and confused as any anon. There is an element of hard work to getting rich but luck is at least as important

>>20006714
At least salary can discern if someone is good at doing something.

theres a 95-99% chance that anyone on 4chan who uses a subjective and hard to quantify profession as why theyre smart i.e. poetry theyre just pretentious snobs

>>20005239
>Wow, a whole book filled with platitudes, I can't wait to read it, maybe it will help me stop being a fucking retard
Maybe you should read the subtle art of realising you have no hope

>>20005259
Unironically a good message at the core. I'd rather normalfags read this than the millionth feel-good nothing-is-your-fault bullshit out there.

>>20006659
It's pathetic that you got triggered this hard

>>20006721
Have you met even one person here who claims to be a professional poet?

>He tells it like it is
Any form of media, information, that is sold with this line is always 1000 miles away from telling anything like it is.

>>20005239
>Peterson’s book didn't help me so I thought maybe this one will
Help you with WHAT? What's your goal, big guy? Because Manson teaches you how to cope, specifically through emotional detachment. That's the gist of the book. Peterson teaches something completely else.

>>20006824
Peterson's books are cries for help and nothing else

"Learn how to suffer" is a fundamentally good message.

>>20006829
>Peterson's books are cries for help and nothing else
Irrelevant

>>20005239
>Manson advises us to get to know our limitations and accept them. Once we embrace our fears, faults, and uncertainties, once we stop running and avoiding and start confronting painful truths, we can begin to find the courage, perseverance, honesty, responsibility, curiosity, and forgiveness we seek.
That's what turning lemons into lemonade mean. He's right in one aspect- instead of obsessing or burning fuel w anxiety, it's better to look at things objectively and act realistically, gradually and in a way that acknowledges the limits of life. Not everyone will be a millionaire or a chad.

>>20005239
Peterson tells you to manage the basics of life: your living space, your habits (including mental ones). That's the gist of it.
Manson's ideas owe a bit to Marcus Aurelius. Read the Meditations.

>>20006830
But make it count: toil for pay, endure challenges for their lessons and so on.

>>20005239
Is this the today's Redditations?

>>20006721
>At least salary can discern if someone is good at doing something.

There's a 95-99% chance that anyone that uses an often arbitrary sum and hard to quantify concept as why they're capable i.e wageslavery is coping.

Not that I don't want to make a buck, anon, but why bother to pretend it's about anything but that?

>>20005239
I pretty much agree with everything expressed here and I think even anons here do. It's just the language that is used makes it less palatable.

>>20006721
You can't stop all the crabs.

>>20005239
Light modernised synthesis of stoicism and epicureanism, don't see anything too wrong with this for most people.

>>20006787
>>>/plebbit/

>ITT NPC retards acting like they are not

>>20005340
God damn lmao

How do I stop giving a fuck? I care way too much.

>>20007086
Shut up neet/jealous fuck

>>20008126
Read the book you idiot.