/lit/ - Literature

>>20023989
?? this sentiment is neither particularly new or American. A lot of people across time and history, for example Adam Smith, believed that landlords were parasites and that rent should be abolished.

>>20023989
>backed up by solid research?
it’s backed up by the solid research of me not willing to give half of my pay check to someone who has done nothing to earn it except sitting on his fat ass

>>20023989
>Is it just an adolescent resentment or is it backed up by solid research?
It is near universally agreed upon by economists that rent-seeking is undesirable, in that it creates inefficiencies by simply redistributing existing wealth rather than generating any new through innovation, consumption etc. A historic perspective on this would be how capitalism supplanted feudal structures in Europe and how slaves and serfs were replaced by agricultural laborers.

Honestly just read the wiki page on rent-seeking, there should be plenty of further reading there.

>>20024018
>and that rent should be abolished.
Be careful how you phrase that. Adam Smith did not believe in that concept and neither do most economists. Most liberals believe in a Land Value Tax though.

>>20023989
Landlords are a class of parasites who leech off hardworking people through “passive” income. Passive for them, because everyone else is putting the work in. They buy up multiple properties, monopolise entire areas in some instances, then drive up the rents because they have no competition and therefore no pressure to keep prices low. They also foster their financial insecurities onto their tenants, which was really noticeable during lockdown when you had a bunch of landlords complaining on Twitter REDDIT etc that their tenants weren’t able to pay and because of this, the landlords themselves weren’t pay off their mortgages because they didn’t save the emergency funds to cover it. You even had people with multiple airbnbs who were racking up debt in the tens of thousands due to their airbnbs being left vacant for months at a time. The vast majority of landlords are irresponsible, fickle, lazy pieces of shit who have no care of the evil and greed that they propagate in this world.

>>20024025
This honestly. University of Common Sense, School of Hard Knocks, etc. They produce nothing and take your money anyway, that's all the "theory" you need to recognize these parasite people

>>20023989
actually most Americans are in support of Adam Smith, who actually despised landlords.

Read "Progress and Poverty"; landlords can keep their business, as long as they pay a LVT. Stuff like rent control doesn't actually work.

>>20023989
and I'd rather foreigners stop talking about us altogether. you don't live here, so mind your own business.

Read "Progress and Poverty"; landlords can keep their business, as long as they pay a LVT. Stuff like rent control doesn't actually work.

>>20024232
You’re right, we should stop talking about you. You talk about yourselves enough as it is. Maybe if you stopped being obese, opioid-addicted, gun-obsessed retards with a broken healthcare, education and prison system, we wouldn’t have anything to talk about. But you faggots insist on handing us the ammunition on a silver platter.

>>20024262
All true but you still sound obsessed for bringing it up so unfortunately I'm going to have to say 'cringe'

>rents
>thinks his political opinions matter

>>20024262
> muh guns
> muh healthcare
cringe

>>20024302
I AM obsessed. I wish I wasn’t, because saying that is exactly the kind of thing to go straight to a mutt’s head, but American culture is just the most pure embodiment of “content” that I can’t not look away. It’s like their entire country is the greatest reality TV show of all time that is slowly collapsing under the weight of its scope. Doesn’t matter what’s happening whenever you decide to tune in, it’s ALWAYS captivating. There’s always drama, there’s always people doing retarded shit, there’s a lot of drugs and nudity and violence… Sometimes I wish I could have a scaled-down model of America in my room, like an ant farm. Just to observe. It’s like watching the destruction of Jerusalem in the Old Testament lamentations in real time.

>>20024335
Why don’t you try getting shot and then dying because you can’t afford the medical bills?

>>20024335
only muh guns is cringe muh healthcare is reasonable

>>20024379
by that i mean guns in america are a cultural problem, not a gun problem. we have a lot of guns here and for some reason people dont feel the need to constantly use them on other people. and by that i mean practically never, yet an american will pull a gun over some bullshit parking misunderstanding or some shit

>>20024396
Americans are brought up to be violent narcissistic psychopaths. They literally succeed more the more psychopathic they are. The real illness in America is Americans themselves

Look how this /pol/ bait thread worked! It has all the classics
>OP is retarded
>asks about leftist idea
>books for this feel?
>all replies are either muh marx is bad or half hearted explanations about detailed economic theory because it's the 100th time we have had this thread
>OP doesn't reply to anything else
>OP didn't actually want his mind changed
>OP made the thread to try and feel something
>anything
>god please make my posts worth it
>one more captcha and I'll feel whole again
>please don't take this away from me
>I'll get (you)s this time

>>20024435
Either you’ve posted in the wrong thread or you’re having a stroke. No one here has mentioned Marx once.

>>20024435
Touch grass and have sex, incel.

>>20024445
In every way that matters, a whale is a fish.

>>20024459
In every way that matters, Americans are whales. Pass me the harpoon ahab

>>20024462
I have no rent and I must sneed.

>OP asks a reasonable question
>trannies immediately kneejerk cite Adam Smith as some sort of gotcha

OP, just understand that leftists and zoomers have no concept of the reality that buildings require maintenance and upkeep, along with the capital required to build the apartment in the first place. They're mad that they don't have the ability to get a real job and purchase a house (which they would immediately regret when faced with all the work a house requires anyway). It's pure resentment because everything should come easy to them. That's why they run to the government to demand a quick and easy solution, not understanding that government regulations are what have destroyed the housing economy in the first place.

>>20024435
>asks about leftist idea
In this case he actually didn't. Admonishment of rent-seeking has been a feature of capitalist political economy since the very beginning, and modern theory of rent-seeking has its roots among Austrian and neo-classical economists.

>>20024480
> along with the capital required to build the apartment in the first place
Let’s be real, this is all you need. Don’t pretend like landlording is hard work when it’s literally defined as passive income.

>>20024480
You are fucking retarded. If landlords provided value to the actual home, that would be one thing. And sure, state laws generally give a list of obligations to the landlord to fix major issues with a home as long as notice is given, but the fact of the matter is that knowledge or legal representation in JP court issues is hard to come by. You think someone that rents can afford a lawyer? Do you think there's enough of a financial incentive to not just fix your own damn water heater instead of calling the super or the little old lady who spent her retirement on rentals? This pull yourself up by your bootstraps bullshit doesn't work anymore. All I do when I pay rent is pay for the mortgage some asshole yuppie took out thinking it was a risk free way of making money with no work after the sale. Maintenance on homes is the same as the rest of the suburban landscape, poor quality and severely lacking in most respects. The only thing landlords and developers care about is new homes on new property and new deals. I can never take kazinski posters seriously. They get so close to the right answers and then shout LIBURALS R GAY N RETARDED AND ITS ALL THEIR FAULT. It sure as hell isn't my fault 08 happened.


Just put 4 generations under one roof. Solves all the problems.

>>20024500
What about the diggers, nigger.

>>20024526
So it's bad because some landlords are shitty.

Oof.

>>20024515
You're wrong, but let's assume that buildings don't ever decay. Plumbing and roofs never need to be rebuilt, paint and flooring never peels, appliances last forever in perfect order, lawns and bushes never need cutting, trees never need pruning. Let's assume that landlords don't need people to handle administrative work, accountants to handle taxes, and lawyers to make sure building codes, and permits are up to date.

If we say that one only needs to provide capital to build apartments, that still means they're doing you a service by saving you all those years of hard work so you can focus on posting on 4chan. "Passive income" is a misleading term. It just means you get to set your own schedule.

>>20024526
A lot of seething just to say "I refuse to do anything but complain". Kazinki gets on your nerves because he's right about you types.

>It sure as hell isn't my fault 08 happened.

08 happened precisely because of people like you.

>>20024602
>>It sure as hell isn't my fault 08 happened.
>08 happened precisely because of people like you.
I never got a mortgage or a mortgage backed security you fucking retard.

>>20024569
>paying someone 1/3 of your income to do nothing is good, actually!

>>20024602
>If we say that one only needs to provide capital to build apartments
Actually I meant in order to be a landlord all one needs is capital, full stop. Beyond that, any effort required on your part is negligible.

And that’s before we even consider the number of landlords who shift their fiscal irresponsibility onto their tenants by using their rent payments to cover their mortgage, or to pay off mortgages on OTHER properties that they wouldn’t be able to cover on their personal salary alone. It’s a house of cards and it will collapse, eventually.

>passive income is a misleading term
And those are weasel worlds.

>>20023989
I'm sympathetic to rentoids but giving dysgenic poorfags property seems like a bad idea

So what's the solution then lads? Where the fuck are you going to live?

>>20024666
In my WEF-constructed living pod, obviously. It also doubles up as a suicide booth and eco-friendly coffin.

It's called slave morality/ressentiment

>>20024396
replace "american" with "nigger" and you'd be right

>>20024677
Give your money to a landlord and you’ll BE a slave. while simultaneously resenting those who can afford to own because they didn’t waste their money on rent.

>>20024480
>quotes the unabomber who was so happy and self confident that he had to send bombs to people to make himself feel better.

>muh buildings cost money! Someone's gotta pay. You're lucky it's us landchads paying it rentoids!

You're paying the costs with OUR RENT MONEY DUMBASS.

>>20024743
so then don't pay rent, dummy. what's that? SOCIETY won't let you? you mean customers willingly pay for someone else to produce goods and services? looks like brainiac over here just discovered what business is. you gonna get mad at pablo and tell him you actually paid for his taco truck because you bought a $3 taco?

>>20024876
>paying extortionate amounts for a roof over your head (before bills, which are also skyrocketing) is equivalent to paying $3 for a taco
Are landlords genuinely this delusional? Pablo works 12 hour days, 6 days a week. He doesn’t massively inflate his prices every year, nor does he charge you for extra condiments, because he’s not an gigantic piece of shit. He is fully aware that you can go elsewhere to eat, but knows his customers are loyal because they aren’t treated like dirt when he serves them.

Landlords don’t need to compete with other landlords to entice you into their property, because every other landlord is also charging extortionate amounts for rent. They also know that, unlike the CHOICE to eat tacos everyday, people NEED homes. So there’s a clear coercive element that is entirely antithetical to the spirit of free market competition. There’s no motivation to offer attractive rent unless there is something seriously wrong with the property. You are scum and you are defending scum who exploit people in the name of “business”. Fuck your dogshit false equivalency, and fuck you.

>>20024959

holy fuck you are a retard

>Pablo works 12 hour days, 6 days a week.
people who own taco trucks dont usually work there, it's all trendy shit now
>He doesn’t massively inflate his prices every year,
if you were smart you would have caught the joke about the $3 taco, which actually is an inflated price, but upper middle class white kids like you will pay.
>nor does he charge you for extra condiments, because he’s not an gigantic piece of shit.
no, he adjusts his price for the taco to account for this. you're just gullible.
>He is fully aware that you can go elsewhere to eat, but knows his customers are loyal because they aren’t treated like dirt when he serves them.
you think taco trucks cant corner locations and have contempt for their own customers? what is this magical law of morality that small businesses are required to follow?

>Landlords don’t need to compete with other landlords to entice you into their property, because every other landlord is also charging extortionate amounts for rent.
holy fuck. how honestly retarded are you to think that competition does not exist in any business? if it doesn't, it's because morons keep voting for politicians that are in the pocket of the big boy landowners who lobby for the legislation that makes monopolizing housing possible.
>They also know that, unlike the CHOICE to eat tacos everyday, people NEED homes. So there’s a clear coercive element that is entirely antithetical to the spirit of free market competition.
you need food too stupid. you saying food isn't necessary is like me saying just live with your parents, you dont have to rent.
>There’s no motivation to offer attractive rent unless there is something seriously wrong with the property.
competition
>You are scum and you are defending scum who exploit people in the name of “business”. Fuck your dogshit false equivalency, and fuck you.
you could have just said this from the beginning, since this is the core of your argument anyway. pure resentment stemming from ignorance. you dont understand a fucking thing and you never will. you're just a vessel for propaganda.

>>20025107
Monopolization of land is an inherent mechanic of rentier economy, it is a purely extractive practice that redistributes capital upward.

>>20025107
>you would have caught the joke about the $3 taco, which actually is an inflated price
I’m not American, $3 for a taco seems reasonable because a living wage where I’m from is far better. And besides, I’m talking about the RATE of taco inflation, not static pricing.

> you think taco trucks cant corner locations and have contempt for their own customers?
I’m saying that taco trucks have far bigger incentives to keep prices low and customers happy than landlords, because no one NEEDS to eat tacos everyday. People NEED homes.

> if it doesn't, it's because morons keep voting for politicians that are in the pocket of the big boy landowners who lobby for the legislation that makes monopolizing housing possible.
>it’s the fault of the voter that all politicans are subjected to the whims of their corporate lobbyists
ALL politicians are crooked. You blame the voter for voting one in, or you blame the non-voter for not voting against. For some reason you think the politicians and lobbyists themselves are entirely blameless.

> you need food too stupid. you saying food isn't necessary
I’m saying TACOS aren’t necessary you absolute fucking invalid, how do you misinterpret something so simple? you can make a sandwich at home. Or you could rustle up a salad. Or you could eat a million and one other things. The taco truck has to compete with those million and one things, therefore a taco truck has the greater incentive to be competitive over a landlord, who offers exactly the same thing as every other landlord: a shit sandwich.

> you dont understand a fucking thing and you never will.
You’re a landlord bootlicker and fat piece of shit who eats tacos all day without the slightest awareness that other foods exist. Fucking dysgenic mutt retards, I can’t wait until your civil war annihilates you all.

>>20024047
Anon, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Economic term "rent-seeking" has nothing to do with renting your house.
OMFG, the absolute level of you gommie discussions

>>20025123
"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the publick, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
monopolization comes natural to any good business person. yes, it is a natural flaw inherent to free market systems, but you're focusing on the symptom when the cause of this involves the legalizing and abetting of monopolization through legislation, which is what has resulted in the current state of the housing market.

>>20024056
>Be careful how you phrase that. Adam Smith did not believe in that concept

>>20025191
Apartment management companies and feudal lords are not "landlords" under Smith's definition you inbred redditor.

>>20025164

>I’m not American, $3 for a taco seems reasonable because a living wage where I’m from is far better. And besides, I’m talking about the RATE of taco inflation, not static pricing.
the point is that there is nothing stopping them from selling you tacos at an inflated price. way to miss the point.
>I’m saying that taco trucks have far bigger incentives to keep prices low and customers happy than landlords, because no one NEEDS to eat tacos everyday. People NEED homes.
no they don't. do you have any idea what profit margins are like in the restaurant business? and yes, some people do need to eat out every day because they work for a living and may not have time to prepare a meal. many people don't have an option but to go out for lunch at their jobs. again, you miss the point in any case. you dont need to rent.
>For some reason you think the politicians and lobbyists themselves are entirely blameless.
of course they are. predators are predatory by nature, it's the public's fault for giving them power.
>The taco truck has to compete with those million and one things, therefore a taco truck has the greater incentive to be competitive
you're stuck on this idea that taco trucks "aren't necessary" because you're a communist moron that doesn't understand that every business is "necessary". if they were no need for a business to exist, it wouldn't exist. this means that you have absolutely no evidence that taco trucks have any incentive to be more competitive. EVERY business has incentive to be competitive, because lack of innovation means death when all your competitors are working overtime to put you out of business. it's unbelievable that you need such a basic concept explained to you.
>You’re a landlord bootlicker and fat piece of shit who eats tacos all day without the slightest awareness that other foods exist. Fucking dysgenic mutt retards, I can’t wait until your civil war annihilates you all.
you are an ignorant third worlder who would murder his neighbor for a green card. enjoy poverty.

>>20025191
He was talking about feudal landlords "owning" land they didn't buy nor develop. Not about people investing their legitimate resources in building houses for to rent them to willing customers.
Basically, gommies are seething because they see the same name and are too retarded to notice the difference.

>>20025214

more competitive than apartments*

>>20025200
>>20025237
>trust me bro he's actually saying something COMPLETELY different from this DIRECT QUOTE of his, trust meeeee
>SEETHE SEETHE SEETHE COMMIES SEETHE
Yours is a very mild (pathetic) form of mental illness.

>>20025237
>>20025167
They're the same thing and equally unproductive.

>>20025284
You are seething all right I can see.

>>20025191
Based, you know you've found truth when the two greatest economists to ever live Marx and Smith agree on the same thing.

>>20025284

>TRUST ME dude this man who spent 10 years writing a 900 page book advocating for a free market WANTED government mandated housing!!! we're totally not taking this one quote out of context and spamming it all over the internet pretending we give a fuck about anything else he wrote in an effort OWN the rightoids!

The US just has really high fucking rent and there isn't enough acknowledgement of it as a problem so the people who come to terms with it get pissed by how alone they are.

>>20025313
Again, no-one except YOU brought up communism, I'm sorry you're mentally ill/obsessed, but do try and actually read/understand posts before replying.

>>20025295
I understand that gommies can't see the difference between theft and investment. That's why no one cares about your babbling anymore. I am just amusing myself.

>>20025313
>trust me
>references a direct quote from a famous figure
>only one to substantiate anything with anything resembling evidence
You're retarded, you know that right?

>>20025335
No trust meeeeeeeee I'm a genius that's why you have to trust meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee my interpretationnnnnnnnnnnnnnn it's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that is right meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ignore the actual wordssssssssssssssss
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

lol

>>20025191
Adam Smith lived 400 years ago, no-one cares what he thinks.

>>20025214
> some people do need to eat out every day because they work for a living and may not have time to prepare a meal
There’s always time, get a better routine. It’s not my fault that you’re fat and lazy and blowing all your money on tacos. Clearly it’s a big part of American culture to be a shoddy cook, or so disorganised that you don’t have time to put together a sandwich in the morning, or, hell, just get all your lunch prep out of the way on Sunday. These are the kind of structures that well-functioning people have in place to stop them eating fast food all the time, because that will rot your brain, as evidenced by your retard takes.

> of course they are. predators are predatory by nature, it's the public's fault for giving them power.
So let’s get this straight- landlords are blameless because lobbyists are blameless because politicians are blameless, so it’s actually the voters fault for voting for these people, no matter which way they vote or whether they even vote at all. Its almost as if there’s a clear and obvious incentive for you not to call out these institutions as entirely corrupt, and instead blame the people being exploited by said institutions, despite the fact that voting does absolutely nothing to change anything.

> lack of innovation means death when all your competitors are working overtime to put you out of business
Has a landlord ever put another landlord out of business? Have you ever heard of things like planned obsolescence? Or the idea that big tech companies drip feed innovation through updates and regular hardware upgrades so you are constantly buying more and more for marginally less and less improvements to your devices? Pull your head out of your ass naive Gary vee.

> you are an ignorant third worlder who would murder his neighbor for a green card. enjoy poverty
A post ago you were calling me a white middle class for thinking $3 tacos isn’t that expensive. Now I’m a third worlder? You are like a petulant child, flailing around and desperately grasping at whatever you can to hit me with. Utterly pathetic.

>>20025284
Right, he says right there that landlords are robbers. This is a scathing indictment of Communism, and has nothing to do with apartment managers or feudal lords, who are not landlords. I'm not sure why you're so upset about this.

>>20025351
>This is a scathing indictment of Communism,
No it isn't, Communism didn't even exist at the time, seek help.

>>20023989
It's an extremely visible form of draining spending power to enrich others. It's like asking why people don't like paying taxes.

>>20024056
>Most liberals believe in a Land Value Tax though
[citation needed]
You can find liberal economists like Milton Friedman support all kinds of stupid ideas like negative income taxation and such but when liberal politicians take control of governments they just make things more regressive by flatting rates and increasing consumption taxes and such. Liberal parties are backed by middle class homeowners who aren't going to ever support taxing their wealth out of existence.

>>20024602
>If we say that one only needs to provide capital to build apartments, that still means they're doing you a service by saving you all those years of hard work so you can focus on posting on 4chan
You're playing dumb or are extremely stupid.

>08 happened precisely because of people like you.
2008 had to do with literal fraud by lenders. Yes you have the conservative narrative that a lot of people who shouldn't have owned homes were able to afford them and more Americans should rent but politically you end up with how that contradicts the very conservative foundations of the social order they want to craft and how renters aren't going to care about protecting your equity
Sowells a political hack FYI

>>20025237
That's wrong, the issue wasn't just land wasn't alienable or the market wasn't mature... Smith/Ricardo saw rent as a deduction from corporate profits, Malthus against them supported rentier income from a proto-Keyensian perspective as boosting aggregate demand by creating spending on servants what would be otherwise hoarded.

>>20025348
>There’s always time, get a better routine.
lmao just admit you lost this one. you're just victim blaming now because you're arguing for something completely different now.
>despite the fact that voting does absolutely nothing to change anything.
third world countries are all corrupt shitholes in the first place, so you have no idea what kind of power the public holds in america. guess what us states are the most popular destinations for immigrants right now? it's the states where voters have limited the power of the state and federal government. it's pointless to keep pushing "muh corrupt institutions" because the very idea this country was founded on was that ALL INSTITUTIONS ARE INHERENTLY CORRUPT. you have no idea how retarded you are asking the government to indict and judge itself.
>Pull your head out of your ass naive Gary vee.
so now you're just saying there's no such thing as competition? fair enough, we can all tell you're a communist.
>A post ago you were calling me a white middle class for thinking $3 tacos isn’t that expensive. Now I’m a third worlder
the point is you're retarded and don't know shit. seethe.

>>20025325
>>20025335
>>20025340

COPE. you dont care for smith except to try and fool people into thinking he refuted his own work because of a quote you dont even understand

>>20025359
>2008 had to do with literal fraud by lenders
lmao just ignore the legislation that forced lenders into a situation where they either had to commit fraud or go out of business
>Sowells a political hack FYI
"INTELLECTUAL" SPOTTED KEK

>>20025407
> you're just victim blaming now
You’re not a victim, your weight problems and lack of discipline are entirely your fault. Just like it’s allegedly the voters fault that they can’t vote for anyone outside of the political charade who hasn’t been bought off by corporate lobbyists.

> you have no idea how retarded you are asking the government to indict and judge itself.
Point to the part of my post where I said that, you illiterate fuck. I’m saying that if all politicians are corrupted by lobbyists, then how is it the fault of the voter that the only choices are between corrupt politicians?

> so now you're just saying there's no such thing as competition?
No, once again, you reading comprehension is fucking horrific. How did you even come to that conclusion? I’m saying innovation is not the primary concern for a business, because if you do pour all your money into r&d and pass those innovations onto the customer, then they have no incentive to keep the customer coming back for more. Tech companies actively release hardware upgrades that provide less and less improvements year on year because it drags out the amount of money they can rinse from suckers like you who think they’re getting top-of-the-line shit, when really it’s probably years behind what they’re actually capable of.

> the point is you're retarded and don't know shit. seethe.
>no response to the blatant inconsistencies of calling me both a third worlder and white middle class
Yes, you are certainly seething. Don’t reply to me or my son ever again.

>>20023989
The Holocaust is just made up kike bullshit. I remember this one kike who mouthed off to me. I kicked his ass, and he went running to the Koban. I just told the cops he attacked me and his ass went to jail. Should have seen the look on his face when his kike privilege didn’t work. Oy vey!

>>20025470
>You’re not a victim
im not saying im a victim, im saying you dont give a fuck about people because you're response to them willingly choosing to pay people for goods and services that make their lives easier is to tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. i thought i was the one defending landlords here? you're just a commie who hates the free market because he doesn't understand it, but for some reason you're blaming the average person here.
>Point to the part of my post where I said that, you illiterate fuck
this entire argument where you've been advocating against private owners renting out housing to people as if there is any alternative to this save for government programs
>I’m saying that if all politicians are corrupted by lobbyists, then how is it the fault of the voter that the only choices are between corrupt politicians?
the us has a very old tradition of electing people who are not career politicians to office. i know it's hard to imagine a system where there's an alternative to nepotism in your third world shithole.
>innovation is not the primary concern for a business
you're literally saying right here that competition does not exist, because in the following sentence you go on to say that a business that provides efficiency gives customers no reason to continue doing business there, which is retardation at its best. innovation exists to take away customers from your competitors, which you obviously dont understand because you're a communist.
>>no response to the blatant inconsistencies of calling me both a third worlder and white middle class
there's no inconsistency here. you've been a faggot this entire time. enjoy raising your wife's son.

>>20023989
I want to live in the capital (of my country). I don't have an apartment there, nor do I have the money to buy one. Landlords don't exist. What do I do?
inb4
>don't live there
give me actual arguments you subhuman trash

>>20025574

you become a rent boy for some rich faggot, obviously

>>20025589
so?
I don't see the problem

>>20025547
>you dont give a fuck about people because you're response to them willingly choosing to pay people for goods and services that make their lives easier is to tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps
Correct. Stop living a life of gluttonous convenience and frivolous spending that will ruin your health in the long-term. Renting is also frivolous spending, fyi, since very few people from a certain generation onwards will be able to rent and then save enough to afford to own. This is advice I give because I care. Your position is simply “spit on my face daddy politican! Let your lobbyist cock blow his load deep into my ass!”. Since when did you give a fuck about people when all you do is blame them for the actions of politicians, lobbyists and landlords?

>this entire argument where you've been advocating against private owners renting out housing to people as if there is any alternative to this save for government programs
>I’m too retarded and ignorant to know how other countries deal with this issue, so I’m just going to continue to allow my fellow countrymen to stew in shit while nothing improves!
Maybe your country wouldn’t be in such a garbage position at the present moment if your government was actually competent and did the absolute bare minimum of protecting its people from predatory landlords. The idea that this is communist to you just goes to show how warped the American overton window is compared to the rest of the developed world.

> you're literally saying right here
> you go on to say that
Don’t pretend like you’ve understood what I’ve said because you clearly don’t. I’ve stated it two times over now and nothing in your replies indicates that you have any clue of what it is I’m talking about.

> innovation exists to take away customers from your competitors
But too much innovation, and there’s no way to continue to rinse them of money in future. Another example is the vaccines- if they were to just give us a single shot that worked to a 100% effectiveness against covid, how would they make any money from the boosters against variant delta-beta-plus-pro2.0?

This is my last reply. You’ve been absolutely awful, I can’t believe I wasted this much time conversing with someone who cannot grasp even the simplest of thoughts and whose only retort is to scream “COMMUNIST” when someone calls out his favourite corporations for indefinitely milking his big, fat tiddies. Enjoy diabetes, you moronic tub of lard

>>20025438
>lmao just ignore the legislation that forced lenders into a situation where they either had to commit fraud or go out of business

There was no such legislation on why banks were telling everyone to lie about their financial condition because the obvious fact it was highly profitable. Most of the money flowing in financing wasn't even domestic but foreign Eurotard savings looking for "safe" returns

https://www.businessinsider.com/mortgage-fraud-scandal-2010-10

>>20025574
If you don't have the income to afford to live somewhere you don't like always? If a capital city can't find ways to make itself livable for low income individuals it'll suffer and end up having issues when it can't get tons of jobs it needs done

I can’t afford to buy a home except on an interest loan (which further drives up prices). A landlord can so he puts the resources he worked to obtain and manage into a property which he still manages and upkeeps but I can use it for a fee. Nothing wrong with that, he makes a profit and I can live in a resident I couldn’t afford to buy. The problem is when a guy takes out a loan with heavy interest and you are paying for it with rent in which case he is contributing nothing and then he does with several houses and makes the price go out because heavier demand willing to buy for higher prices. That is like someone willing to sell you corn for x but you don’t have it so you get someone else to buy corn from you you don’t have for x+1 then buy the corn and keep the 1 and give them the corn.

>>20023989
Wouldn't be a problem if people made enough money. What would £650 pm mean to me if I was making £2.6k a month? Fuck all.
Wasn't it the reason behind the protests in Hong Kong? Absolutely atrocious prices of the real estate and unaffordable rent taking half your earning? It's fucked up how the real estate/rent goes up but the wages stay relatively the same over time. Seeking profit is not immoral, not paying labourers what they are due is immoral.

>>20025701
And the corn illustration actually happens by the way it’s called futures options. It’s haram

>>20025191
Great, now show me where he said abolish rent, faggot.

>>20024480
Under your system, abolishing rent would incentivise people to buy houses. Your comment below - 'some landlords are bad therefore renting is bad oof' could be turned against you: 'some governments are bad therefore governance is bad.' Although all power is governence, and only power rules - not in shape, but in principle. Money should not simply funnel away from people's pockets without them seeing a direct return in their own lives. They would be better off living in a commieblock than paying rent for a nice house. The reasoning isn't simply that landlords don't deserve one's money, but that one just "doesn't wanna pay them" in the same way they "just do it for more money" (which, like everyone else, is their reason for doing anything.) Anyway, if a landlord would like to rub his belly while he looks at his property then it would only be good sportsmanship to give him back a fair game in reluctant spirit - "im lazy (and I don't care") is the motto of many rich and poor people alike.
>>20024602 These are chores, most of them done once every few years, that everyone around the world does.

>>20025421
>get called out
>retreat into buzzwords cope seethe dilate
very typical, and despite your implicit condemnation it is very trannyish behavior frankly

>>20025574
make rent illegal and replace lease with lease-purchase contracts. you can still ”lease“ something temporarily but you can some or all of your money back when you leave from your part of the property. see? easy.

there are still incentives to invest, as well as some reasons to speculate, but at least people won’t be feeding literal parasites anymore.

>>20025703
right on the money

>>20023989
To consider this some contemporary and anglo-oriented concept is retarded. Mao was wildly successful in no small part due to landlords being murdered in the streets by the peasantry

>>20025191
> The one thing leftists ever managed to glean from Smith (besides a half-hearted endorsement of LTV outside of Capitalism)
> Doesn't bother to understand his potion isn't "le just abolish rent bro"

>>20024262
God you're seething. Its a sight to behold. Tell me, how do you deal with us living in your mind rent (lol) free all this time?

>>20024396
Onions hands typed this post

A friendly reminder that people in a Soviet Bloc, gommie China - and in each and every communist country that ever existed - had to pay the rent to the state for using their flats. So much about "landlords".

>>20025359
>You can find liberal economists like Milton Friedman support all kinds of stupid ideas like negative income taxation
What's so stupid about a N.I.T.? and yes, most liberal economists take a favourable view of L.V.T. and no, I will not give you a citation or stat on that faggot. Suck it.
> but when liberal politicians take control of governments they just make things more regressive by flatting rates and increasing consumption taxes and such. Liberal parties are backed by middle class homeowners who aren't going to ever support taxing their wealth out of existence.
Who gives a shit? I wasn't talking about them, I was talking about economists.

>>20027781
See
>>20024368
You can’t belittle me for things I’m happy to admit. America is fascinating, like a traffic accident, I wish I could look away, but I can’t.

>>20025703
>Seeking profit is not immoral, not paying labourers what they are due is immoral.
Whoops I just increased your rent by 50% just because I can haha, also I am owning a third of the places in town and I am conspiring with the rest of the landlords so that we are all asking for extremely high rent. It’s not immoral after all to seek profit, your boss should just pay you more, even if a significant portion of his benefits also go into paying the rent. Don’t like it? Well feel free to move elsewhere and build your own house, bucko. The free market needs its investment incentives.

>>20028049
Why bakers don't ever conspire and charge you 100 bucks for a loaf of bread?
The answer also explains why your "example" is taken out of a fantasy world somewhere around your ass. Or from a book of one famous NEET which didn't have a clue but had plenty of opinions anyways.