/lit/ - Literature

What's the difference between God and Christ? Some people say "I love Christ" or "Christ is the most beautiful being" while others mostly direct their love towards God. I know they're the same being, but people still make a choice regarding what name to use. So what are the differences? Is Christ closer to use because he was human flesh and died like us? Is God too abstract and nondeterminate? What about the Holy Spirit?

Also what would happen if we found out aliens exist? How would theology handle it?

>>20163860
What name you use is inconsequential since your worship is directed towards the same being. There really isn't a differance. Christ is God and also intermediary between man and God.

>>20163889
Humanity would have to decide if aliens should be considered fellow man, being made in Gods image, or if they are beasts, not receiving salvation.

Holy Trinity or the One Godhead Doctrine?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh3n1Y_J_ak
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTY-aKJv8Us

https://www.amazon.com/Global-Language-Parallel-Testament-English/dp/B00H0AOBXA
Six languages are not enough.
Any suggestions?

>>20163968
But will they explain why aliens were not mentioned in the Bible?

>>20163989
>he thinks they arent

>>20164001
Where?

>>20163968
>implying God wasn't made in man's image

>>20164009

>And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation chapter 16

Tell me, what kind of animal do these so called sighted aliens took like?

>>20163978
summarize both.

>>20164020
>alien theorist
come on lads.

>>20164047
Hey look im not an alien fag or anything but as the anon asked, if ayys were to show up, im on the side of calling them the antichrist personally speaking. Tell me im wrong for suggesting this sound approach

>>20164061
you're taking the idea of aliens at least semi-seriously, so kinda.

>>20164096
He's not the only one. It's a serious question according to many people.

>>20164061
I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to the Covenant from Halo, where it was OUR existence that contradicted their religion, so they waged a holy war to eradicate us.

The sermon on the mount

>>20164123
Well, they would probably wipe us out if they had the technology to discover us first. Our best bet is to negotiate then maybe we can subvert them like jews did to Western society. Maybe jews are here to teach us how to deal with stronger races in the future.

>>20164138
As lonely as the Fermi Paradox is, I'd prefer the loneliness to the constant existential dread of other sapient beings being just as warmongering as we.

>>20164155
God wouldn't have made someone else. it's an asinine theory, honestly.

la illah ila allah muhammad rasul allah

la illah ila allah muhammad rasul allah

la illah ila allah muhammad rasul allah

>>20164166
Then why did he made so many planets?

>>20164182
well, i don't know His reasons, but it sure wasn't for making aliens.
Maybe for us to mess around with. see in the sky and stuff.

Do you think Nietzsche is in hell now?

>>20164497
Not being a Christian, likely going down.
>search and find out the fedora arguments and hateful stuff are actually Nietzschean philosophy
quite sure.

>>20164497
There's no way to know how he was judged and what was in his heart at the time of his death.

>>20164009
Ezekiel and also:
>I have other sheep that are not of this fold

>>20164518
>at the time of his death.
Is that the only thing that matters?

>>20164629
Well what matters is repentance and after you die the possibility for that is rather limited.

>>20164669
So why not live a godless life, repent on the deathbed, and get a ticket to heaven?

>>20164698
Because God knows it's not sincere.

>>20164698
because you won't have a sudden change of heart like that. especially not if your goal is trying to fool God.

>>20164713
To be fair I wouldn't do it anyway. At the moment all I want is not to ever lose the faith that God kindly gave me.

What you lads up to?

What am I in for?

>>20164836
good question. hopefully not someone trying to sell you lies. let's see if anyone's read it here to give a proper idea

>>20164836
>For Christian readers The Jewish Annotated New Testament offers a window into the first-century world of Judaism from which the New Testament springs. There are explanations of Jewish concepts such as food laws and rabbinic argumentation. It also provides a much-needed corrective to many centuries of Christian misunderstandings of the Jewish religion.
Sounds like you're in for some chutzpah

For me it's the KJV, ESV, and NIV (1984).

>>20163889
Out of the Silent Planet, Clive Staples Lewis, 1938

>>20163843
any germans here that can recommend the translation i should read?

Every day I live further solidifies my faith in the Lord.

>>20165223
Blessed.

havent been reading scripture enough lately, this Lent was supposed to be so much more LOL school has got me down and shit, and i have summer classes too. Im burning out, Christ be with me lmfao.

Opinions on the audio Bible?
Entire KJV version is on youtube for free. I'm enjoying it. Voice actors are solid, background music is pleasant, even adds some sound effects for dramatizing (birds chirping, horses galloping, etc.)
https://youtu.be/rUWeZGSerC4

>>20165990
>sant, even adds some sound effects for dramatizing (birds chirping, horses galloping, etc.)
Were these in the Bible?

>>20166073
>he never figured out how to turn on the sound on his bible

>>20166077
I did, but it's all Greek to me.

>>20166196
Kek

Strive to have the same confidence in life as Abraham did as he haggled the divine nuclear annihilation of a city of sodomites to the person with their finger on the button

>>20164182
To declare his glory to all who look upon it. God isn’t bound by our notions of efficiency or pragmatism

>tfw can't sing the Gloria at Lent
>>20163889
Some Hungarian woman on /pol/ told me aliens are demons, nephilim specifically.
>>20166073
Yes, and where is predestination mentioned in the Gospels?
Anyway, the Psalms on the Sabbath are the closest equivalent. It it can save even one sould without diluting the Doctrine, who can complain?

>>20166603
> aliens are demons
That is my takeaway from reading what the church fathers wrote about the atmospheric realm of spirits. I’ve seen a UFO before too. It had a demonic vibe

Book of Common Prayer gang where you at

>>20164166
>God wouldn't
Lmao you don't know jack shit about what God would or wouldn't do.

>>20163989

Jeremy spoke in class today.

>>20166810
I tried so hard to love the BCP because I like all the great things J.C. Ryle said about it.

Now I'm back to Scottish Psalter gang

>>20164780

No problem. If you lose your faith, you can fake it, is'nt? After all is a... faith.

>>20166810
>>20166966
>needing something other than the Bible
>prescribed prayers other than the one given by Christ
Y'all might as well go be Catholics or "Orthodox™".

>>20164208
Yeah, but there's like a ridiculous amount out there. You ever open up Space Engine and roam around? Takes more than 8 minutes just to get to the sun if you try getting there at the speed of light. There's a fuckton of universe out there, so it is hard to fathom that a God just did it all for the lulz. The more likely scenario is that we just happened for form an unlikely bit of order and complexity in an otherwise chaotic and uniform universe. Once you start looking on the scales of 300 million lightyears and beyond, the universe looks homogeneous and isotropic.

>>20167015
>the Psalms aren't in the Bible
Wew

>>20163889
Well it won't happen because aliens dont exist.
>muh big universe

Has it ever occurred to you that life outside earth is as rare or rarer than the expansiveness of the universe?

We have no proof of aliens, it's all just speculation so I dont entertain the thought of it somehow being real and disproving christianity.

>>20167015
you make me sick

Would like to read and buy myself a non jewified bible. A few months ago some people taught me about how Jewish publishers were putting out bibles that went against god etc. Is there any like normal bible that isn’t tainted by (((them)))

>>20167046
>That's just a book of Psalms and nothing more
>>20167057
Good, the Lord came to save the sick, not the well. You're welcome.

>>20167064
King James Bible

>>20163843
Has any quote ever been as powerful as this?

>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

>>20167064
Douay Rheims

>>20167015
The daily office is like 90% scripture.

>>20167038
> There's a fuckton of universe out there, so it is hard to fathom that a God just did it all for the lulz
It’s completely effortless for God. What better way to display his power?

>>20167072
>>That's just a book of Psalms and nothing more
Well, actually, yes.

>>20167091
But in all the universe, why would we be special? Why do you presume that the Creator would be fixated on us to begin with? For all we know, we could be some background species for the chosen ayys ten galaxy clusters over?

>>20167111
Aliens don’t exist. Humans are special because we were created in the image and likeness of God. God created this entire vast universe as a gift to mankind because He loves us. He told Adam to have dominion and to rule over

>>20167086
>>20167097
It's not like I haven't seen it. It prescribes specific things to pray each day, every day, and for specific events. All of those prescriptions were formulated by men, their ideas of what you should be thinking/praying over and over and during those events. It's far better to let the Spirit lead you dynamically and pulling from your own internalized well of Scripture.

>>20167143
We're talking about two different things at this point.

>>20167126
How do you know God communicated with mankind at all? There's been people all throughout history claiming to have a hotline to the divine, but nobody's got anything to show for it outside of their edition of "the infallible word of the divine"

>>20167143
Read prayer is how Christian’s have been praying for millennia. Spontaneous prayer is fairly new.

>>20163860
God is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. He is known as the Holy Trinity. https://youtu.be/RH3GQuZM0cM
>>20164497
Depends was he Catholic and living in a state of grace? Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
>>20164629
No that is protestant heresy, faith alone will not save you but faith, works, and living in a state of grace.
>>20164698
This is unironically what jews tricked protestants into believing because Jews are trying to will it into existence so they can do that "loophole". But it is not a loophole.
>>20165990
kjv is a heresy, try this instead since you want audio bibles https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeXS0cAkuTPqFMtZQ379qdEmcfxO1SvXc
>>20167167
There is plenty to show traditional Catholicism is the one true faith https://youtu.be/aCeSJw3Qzls

>>20167143
>> let the devil lead you

lol

>>20167176
Paul said to pray without ceasing, and talks often about having groups of people in his prayers and such. Sounds pretty spontaneous. There are several recorded examples of Christ free forming to the Father. Read prayer seems to have developed from the later institutionalized Christianity.

>>20167186
>catholic
lmao

>>20167209
t. heretic scum

>>20167167
>How do you know God communicated with mankind at all?
Biblical prophecies have been historically fulfilled by the person of Jesus Christ. One can experience God in this present life as well and know the truth.

>>20167202
Both were present. We know from Acts that some of the disciples went to the Temple at the hours of prayer to worship, and Paul and Barnabas iirc are said to be doing liturgical worship at one point in the same book (usually obscured in English translations). Traditional Christian liturgical practices and prayers developed out of synagogue worship in the late 2nd temple period. Alongside that though free-form prayer has always existed.

>>20167064
>non jewified bible
>non jewified
>bible
KYS

>>20167215
>Biblical prophecies have been historically fulfilled by the person of Jesus Christ
According to a book, written by a bunch of people that weren't around to see Jesus, curated over and over throughout the centuries, and in direct defiance to what we see in our observable universe. I understand it's great literature, I'm a sucker for mythology, but it's just folk tales meant to teach lessons. Maybe there was a real life Jesus that formed quite the cult following that grew long after his martyrdom. Doesn't mean that the guy was actually magicked into Mary's womb, then he literally rose from the dead after being crucified and stabbed in the chest. If we consider such a possibility, then why wouldn't Greek mythology be just as accurate in its depiction of our creation?

>>20167244
u ever try eating out your mummy or ur puppy?

>>20167273
The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses. I trust the Church Fathers who actually knew the apostles or disciples of the apostles directly over atheist higher critical scholars. We also have more manuscripts, fragments and extensive quotations than basically any other ancient book. There is good reason to be confident in the Biblical canon. Again, Bible prophecies have become true in history, and one can experience this truth in this very life now. The miracles of the saints have never stopped either. Greek mythology is just the worship of fallen angels. We see Zeus impregnating women and abducting humans. Sounds like Genesis 6 to me. We also see a flood story in the Bible with Deucalion. Again sounds like Genesis. They had distorted versions of the truth, as did Mesopotamians and Sumerians

>>20167325
>eyewitnesses

"The universe is so big and just because we haven't found even the semblance of life on other planets just means that it's probably out there"
"We know the universe is so big because people who have seen it have written it down for other people to read, no not me of course I just saved this jpeg from a 4chan thread"
"I believe baseless scientific claims that have no real methodology of being proven because it's written down"
"Even if 95% of fossil data magically appeared in a small window of time and since then we don't have any transitionary fossils that's because stuff stopped evolving 300 million years ago"
"A being of infinite power would not be able to create the universe because it would be really hard"
"The Greeks believed in a bajillion gods so how come yours is real no dont show me historical and archeological data coinciding with Biblical events show me on 4chan how your god is real"
"Ummm I suddenly believe in the historical citations in the Bible and according to Doctor Professor Goldberg this passage was actually written 3 months after Jesus was resurrected so you're all wrong"
"Napoleon existed because people claimed to have seen him and books were written about him and he impacted several events in history not Jesus though"

and my favorite:
"I come onto specific Bible threads on a specific board on 4channel because I am intellectually superior to Bible larpers and have so many better things to do besides debate basic reality you guys are delusional and I don't even think about you"

>>20167343
>"We know the universe is so big because people who have seen it have written it down for other people to read, no not me of course I just saved this jpeg from a 4chan thread"
There's nothing stopping you from buying a telescope and brushing up on grade school math.

>>20167367
Could you link me to a website where I can buy a telescope that lets me see 6 gorillion lightyears to prove that the universe is as large as you claim
Also feel free to write out the mathematical equation you are personally versed in (second hand expertise is not sufficient for scientific proof) that explains the universe being as large as it is

>>20167378
If you want the strong stuff, you could always try renting out the Hubble or James Webb telescopes :^)

>>20167387
I thought as much, you have a good rest of your night and remember Christ loves you even as you rebel against him

>>20165990
This audio version is complete faggotry. I prefer the Max Mclean series. Listened to 1 Samuel and first half of 2 Samuel while at work today.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvEOSgZ2wCY&list=PLOIsI84cYrChyaA04ZBZlSJotOZfsqPVl&index=9

>>20166323
Abraham must have had the biggest balls. I can read why he was chosen among all the gentiles of the earth

>>20167082
i use this one when passing trough the shady places down here in brazil

>>20163843
Hey I’m opening a prayer request. Reply to me and I’ll pray for you to YHWH through Jesus Christ. You can give me a specific request or you can just reply-leave a name or initial or something and I will let you know when I see it I’m praying. As soon as I see it I’ll pray for you (unless I’m at work, I’ll have to go to the water closet)

>>20167396
You too, mate. I don't subscribe to tulpas, but I can appreciate the aesthetic.You lads need more video games.

>>20167228
Seems dangerous to allow other men's ideas of what you should be praying every day, which also means focused on/oriented towards, to have so much influence. Each man's life is unique and will have its own functional relations between Spirit and the world. If you are getting yourself clogged up with the prescriptions of others then you might not be receiving what God needs you to hear and do for Him. You could be making yourself a less effective member of His Body, being limited to frameworks prescribed by other mere men.

I recommend nothing but Scripture, and allowing your own unique life circumstances/events to reflect throughout your own internalized well of Scripture. This can lead you into more sure footing onto the path God is laying in front of you and you alone and minimizes the distractive pollutions from others.

That's not to say not to explore and consider the views of others, including preachers and such, but to take on a repetitive daily prescription from any of them is without a doubt placing you within something of a fence built by others with their own personal limitations of understanding. It's no different than the Catholics/"Orthodox™" tendencies to focus on prescription frameworks devised by random humans who came to be known as "fathers" and "saints".

The Holy Bible has anything and everything you need in it, aside from commentaries explaining certain symbolisms and historical/cultural contexts.

>>20167422
I'll just pray for (You) that your prayers will be powerful and effective.

>>20167408
Same I'm in Georgia

>>20167466
The country or state?

>>20167483
State

>>20167532
Same

>>20167456
Thank you I’ll praise God for putting that on your heart.

Anyone here speak tongues?

>>20164119
Aliens are demons according to seraphim rose

>>20163860
This is just my connotative anecdotes but I seem to feel people think of "God" specifically as the omniscient creator who plans lives and is in control of everything whereas invoking "Jesus" in particular feels a lot more human, direct and compassionate. "God" evokes a sense of awe whereas "Jesus" evokes a sense of compassion.

Has anyone given the Word on Fire Bible a look?
Aesthetically I think it’s great, but I don’t have much space so I wouldn’t want to get multiple volumes for Gospels, Acts, Revelation, etc.
I just wish it wasn’t the NRSV version they used, but it’s something I could overlook, personally.

whats so important about rachel

>>20164119
>Theologians
>[Read: Theosophians]

>>20168174
Only the Gospels? Must be a pictoral Bible.
>>20168186
I just hope she isn't vaccinated.

>>20168174
I have it. It's a very nice Bible, designed primarily for aesthetics. The paper is VERY thick, much thicker than even high end premium Bibles, it's full color and filled with illustrations and features from various Church Fathers and Catholic theologians.

>>20166323
His boldest is even more interesting when paired with his humility that he demonstrates in the same section

>>20168174
Catholic, so Satanic, avoid.

I don't wanna skip ahead in the Bible but I also don't wanna read thousands of pages of Israel history.

>>20169124
In my humble opinion I find it better to read the NT and then the OT. The OT is one giant prophetical prelude to Christ and understanding the nuance and implications from the NT will make the OT so much more palatable.

And in my situation when I was struggling with my faith the Gospels were so poignant in helping me return to Christ.

>>20168764
>real Christian
>satanic
You'll rot in hell

>>20168174
Yes, I have both NT volumes. It's the only NRSV I own--and technically, if it bothers you that much, nothing's stopping you from reading the WOF commentary along with any other translation of the text itself. It looks and reads great, but you should know it really is designed as babby's first nice Bible. In reading it, it assumes you've never read the Bible in your life and holds your hand throughout. The commentary selection, especially in Vol. 2, is great, though. Really makes you want to look up the fuller works by the commentators. To your space comment, that'll be an issue for you, since they intend it to be, I believe, a 7-volume series. All told, you should just treat it as a multi-volume commentary series like any other commentary series. Consider the hardcover edition if you're unsure.

>>20167422
Do you like Edwards? I've been meaning to pick up the 2 volume set of his works but I don't know how difficult he is to understand.

>>20169124
I’ve been studying for years, across dozens of translations and original languages. Still haven’t read most of the OT.

>>20163843
What are your favorite funny moments in the Bible? For me it's 2 Kings 2:23-24. Heh..

>>20169522
2 Kings 10:27

>>20169522
>call prophet a dickhead
>God sends bears to kick your ass

>>20164020

"Aliens" are actually demons. Just look at "Lam" who Crowley summoned. DMT takers see so-called aliens too. Demonic entities is what they are

>>20169522
1 Kings 18:27
I wonder, are we allowed to do such mockery of pagans?

>>20169730
I was telepathically tortured by greys it was not very pleasant. I might be vulnerable to alot of.. "supernatural things" we could say.

I do seriously mean that by the way I saw them hovering over me with the typical frisbee spacecraft, purple gas emitting from it, 3 lights on the bottom.. Come to think of it I had actually asked them to pick me up and take me away from this gay world some months earlier.

I think upon refusing them they became enraged or something.

How would one uhh.. deal with this or other such things that I wouldn't typically notice in our material realm.. Do I read the psalms?

>>20169744
best part about this one is the original Hebrew is close to "going to the bathroom", and how most translations euphemise it.

>>20169744
>23All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.
1 Cor - 10
I wouldn’t. Not gonna judge whatever you choose to do for the same reason.

>>20169760
Maybe there is a demon that has taken up lodgings in your head. Consider prayer and fasting to excise it.

>>20169777
depends. maybe you get someone away from a lie by pointing at it and laughing.

>>20169799
They were literally hovering above me at night near my house and I became nervous over this I just retreated back inside, locked the doors, and ran around screaming at the top of my lungs. It was a very peculiar day, 'twas.

>>20169760
>Do I read the psalms?
Absolutely yes. Psalmody and prayer and is the greatest weapon against the demons. At the monastery you often are are required to memorize the Psalter because you will be singing virtually non stop. What you have entered is spiritual combat. Wanna defeat the demons? The demon of pride, gluttony, wrath, fornication, anxiety, indecisiveness, lethargy? Well you can’t, only Jesus can. Pray to God.

I'm a Protestant but could I get a Catholic priest to bless my motorcycles so I can stay safe? I've seen them bless cars before.

>>20169823
Hmmm..

>>20169827
Yes they will do that.

>>20169827
Probably. Whenever you want serious shit done, you always go to a Catholic priest. Think about it, when's the last time you saw someone go to a nondenominational pastor when they needed an exorcism performed to rid a place of demons?

>>20163843
So reading about the parable of the Unjust Judge. It's really funny how the judge considers the petition of the widow just because she's being annoying. Such a relatable story, I hope I'm annoying enough to God so he hears my prayers.

>>20169873
and before a fedora comes in, i might as well add a little explanation for better context:
If a reader of this parable is not careful, he could judge God as being comparable to the unjust judge, that is, that He will not answer our requests promptly unless we bother Him with constant pleas for help. Actually, Jesus is contrasting the faithfulness of our loving God to the cynical, self-serving, unrighteous judge. The latter is not in any way a good man, but a godless one who is just trying to shield himself from being annoyed.

Jesus is trying to get us to realize God's never-ending love and faithfulness to His children. We are to see that all that God is, the judge is not. God is always willing to hear us and to answer our prayers if according to His will. He always hears the cries of His own elect or chosen ones. Indeed, God will avenge or vindicate His people.
The point is that, if the unjust judge—who could not have cared less for the widow—at length responded to her cry merely to rid himself of her aggravating requests, then shall not God—who loves His chosen people and gave His Son for us—answer our prayers when we are under trial or in need?

>>20169827
You have faith that the blessing from a priest will keep you safe while riding? In that case go ahead I suppose.

>>20169827
Asking God to bless them makes more sense. Christ is the only mediator between us and God.

Brothers, It's time for me to say goodbye.
This is my last day in 4chan(nel). I appreciated all of the informative posts my fellow catholic brothers shared with me here; along with all the flow of fascinating and useful information about Christianity these threads revealed to me.
Unfortunately I'm not inmune to corruption and my sinful past still haunts me. I decide to embrace Christ completely along with the Holy Catholic Church, and now I must reject and leave everything that can induce me and indulge me in sin (including sinful thoughts), which means I must also stop browsing 4chan.

My only request before I leave is about recommendations on books with heavy emphasis in Christianity and Catholicism: these books can be fictional (like LOTR) or non-fictional ( for example Panegyric of St Paul by St John Chrysostom)

Thank you for all and thank all of you in advance.

>>20170373
>corruption
Stop praying to anyone or anything other than God.

>>20170443
shut the fuck up kike, no one here is doing that, Catholicism is the way and no amount of foul jews, protestant pieces of garbage, filthy mohomedans, faggots or atheists alike, could ever take that away from it. You will attack my language because it is unbecoming, but nothing is more unbecoming than attacking the One True Church. Disgusting kikes all over these threads.

>>20170451
>Catholicism is the way
Pssssssh

>>20170443
You are the KJB-only guy right?
I'm a Catholic person and that will not change, the Catholic Church is the One True Church. I will not comment on your stubborn position because better men than me have debated this with you in previous threads.

I'm asking for recommendations and I will not reply to any other post after this one.

>>20170458
Baptismal waters save you and the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ and not a symbol. Reminder that neither of these facts were ever disputed by the people who were taught by the Apostles until people decided to invent their own religion.

>>20170373
God bless you, I hope He guides you true on your journey, wherever that may lead you.
It’s very difficult to leave this place, Lord knows I’ve tried many times but one day I will have to leave for good so I can spend my time more productively.
As for books; I am getting through a lot of the books on this list myself. G.K. Chesterton has proved a favourite with his apologetics.
May the Lord give you the strength to go forward, and the church the nurturing and knowledge to spread the word to others and learn from them.

>>20170469
>You are the KJB-only guy right?
No
Suit yourself, but trying to escape corruption while being in a false church is nonsensical.
>>20170479
>until people decided to invent their own religion
Exactly, the Roman state with Catholicism.

>>20170496
As usual scum like you cant even read properly or understand what they are reading.
Fuck prots
fuck atheists
fuck mohamedfags
fuck jews
fuck jannys
fuck you, you fucking scum.

god is not real

>>20170503
I appreciate your zeal and passion for the Catholic Church, but cursing and raging at another brother in Christ makes you look much worse.
Do I think he’s wrong? Yes. I would hope he has an open mind to look into why he believes the Catholic Church is “false” and to see and analyse evidence on the contrary. That’s what I had to do, I didn’t have all the answers and I used to think exactly the same as he did. We all have to be taught what we know, we were all clueless at somepoint.
We can have discussions about these things, and we should. It doesn’t have to be in hateful rhetoric, but nor should we waste our time on those that will not listen. It’s about choosing battles.

>>20170503
OK Legion.

>>20163843
Which version of the Bible should I read as an atheist? For context, I've been an atheist for all of my life, my family isn't religious, I've never been to church. I'm not planning to read the Bible with the intention of converting, nor am I planning to read it as a way to better "debunk" or debate Christians (I'm sure I find the kinds of people who enjoy spending time on that just as obnoxious as you do). I do believe that there is a sense of beauty in religion, and the Bible is also objectively one of, if not the most historically important documents in human history. That's why I'd like to read it. I'm aware that the King James Version is the most common version, but I'm not sure if it'd be the best one for someone such as myself to read front to back.

>>20170531
do explain to me about the numerous incidents, up to the pope praying to a literal idol, and about the "domain of saints" system that is basically paganism.
asking in earnest, but i'd rather not beat around the bush.
Kindly don't use buzzwords like saying it's just "reverence" or just spouting out "donatism".

>>20170584
KJV is to many a divinely inspired translation and while the language flows much easier after you start 'getting it', it can be a bit difficult for someone not familiar with thee thou and verily.
ESV is 'better' in that regard, but often times when someone translates downwards they are forced to assign values to make sentences work in our language that they may not have in another.
There are many others but I would actively caution reading International nonsense versions as they are intentionally worded to reduce offensive language and statements and in my opinion, reduce the overall quality of the Word by large margins.

>>20170531
I do it to expose these scum bags for what they are, see this post for instance, >>20170554
As I said above the only response that foul disgusting prots have to any Catholic dogma is to insult me for my intense language. They are the scum of the earth, worse than atheists. Protestants will find themselves the furthest from God when in hell, for they attack his Church with their very existence.

>>20170622
I ask in good faith; is not Christ and his sacrifice the only path to salvation for mankind? I understand the significance of the eucharist and do not attack the Catholic Church in any capacity but it does feel odd at times to me, that someone may say Christ alone saves from eternal damnation also it has to be a Priest and in Confession.

I am open to being convinced otherwise and abhor these schisms between the faithful but is not the simple act of accepting Christ as Lord, Savior, Redeemer, and King enough?

I have not yet found a denomination and ask in total sincerity, I have issues with Protestantism too.

>>20170615
finally a proper KJV argument. makes nice sense. What do you think of the NIV? I've found it quite proper as it is what shows up when i look for verses.

>>20167422
Really struggling in school right now grade wise and need to get good grades in hopes of going to a rigorous seminary. Prayers would be much appreciated.

>>20170643
We are to do communion though. Catholicism removes the wine, which is the issue.
Luke 22:19-20
>And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

>In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

>>20163843
Will be charitable prevent me from going to hell?

>>20170645
I have yet to read the NIV with enough confidence to recommend or not recommend it, I had a bizarre journey in reading the Bible where I went from not understanding the KJV and thinking it was antiquated (and I started at Genesis, do not start at Genesis unless you are the 1% of people who enjoy reading Terms & Conditions on websites recreationally) but after swapping to ESV for a period into the New Testament, I actually returned to the KJV since it felt....'realer', if I might use that word, it felt more sincere and powerful.

I would go <Bible of Choice> New Testament and then read the OT with the knowledge that you should look for symbolism in the prophetic nature of the text that predicts the coming Christ. It is masterfully written even for a nonbeliever in 'how to foreshadow your hero 10,000 years in advance' class.

>>20170674
Christ alone is the only way to find salvation.

>>20170643
>>20170671
that aside, yes, Christ is the truth, the way and the life. nobody reaches the Father except through Him.
It is to be done as He ordered, in remembrance of His sacrifice.
want to find a proper church and denomination? Compare its practices to Scripture, and remember it isn't 'subject to any private interpretation'

>>20163843
I have always wondered if any religion could reach to a genuinely true and correct religion with no flaws. There's no reason for any other person not to convert to that religion that is wholly correct. So why, until now, we as humans couldn't narrow it down into one entirely correct religion. A right religion will have no faults. But, I don't think we have ever reached this point or will ever reach this point. Because if a religion with no flaws truly existed, then there would be no reason for any other variants...

>>20170680
And here's the part that breaks them:
Christ is not what the jews expected, but instead exactly what Scripture says.

>>20170643
The Church doesnt know whos in hell,

we can say who IS a Roman Catholic, but we cant exactly say who isnt.

in the Old Testament Israel is clearly the people of God, and they are a visible people, tribes, families, boundaries
youd think that it would be easy to tell them apart. BUT lets look at Psalm 87 and look

He has founded his city on the holy mountain.
2 The Lord loves the gates of Zion
more than all the other dwellings of Jacob.

3 Glorious things are said of you,
city of God:[a]
4 “I will record Rahab[b] and Babylon
among those who acknowledge me—
Philistia too, and Tyre, along with Cush[c]—
and will say, ‘This one was born in Zion.’”[d]
5 Indeed, of Zion it will be said,
“This one and that one were born in her,
and the Most High himself will establish her.”
6 The Lord will write in the register of the peoples:
“This one was born in Zion.”

7 As they make music they will sing,
“All my fountains are in you.”

Look at all these people that are even the enemies of Israel at that time, they are included in ZION. Israelites wouldnt
have said "those people are a part of us" we can say who IS in Israel, we cant say who isnt. The same goes for Salvation.
Or First Corinthians 12, St. Paul talks of the Body of Christ, it is possible for actual members of the Body of Christ
who are actually saying they are not a part of the body. There are literal Roman Catholics out there in spite of themselves.
St. Justin Martyr makes an argument that Socrates was actually a Christian because he followed the logos, he believed in
a God that he didnt know, and rejected the greek gods he did know. WE ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO SAY WHO IS AND WHO ISNT OUTSIDE
THE CHURCH.

Basically we as Catholics cannot say who is in Hell. This is important to remember. From very early on in our history this has been the case. So in the early Church there was a Catechumen period of 3 years, so these people wanted to be baptised and occasionally they may die before baptism. In cases like this people like St. Ambrose would make it very clear, it would be legalistic to say that because they didnt live long enough to receive the sacrament, they have to spend all eternity in hell.

I do spit a lot of venom honestly, i am a sinner and I would ask for your prayers and Christ's mercy. I just cant stand protestants attacking Christs Church.

>>20170694
Christianity is. here's the issue: people don't want to accept it because it would mean changing their ways. out of pride, or other temptations of sin, they choose not to.
so, to close that 'what if' hole, they make up strawmen of it to criticize, and steer clear from Scripture.

there are no flaws, but you don't realize that until you look at the real thing, and stop covering your eyes.

>>20170694
oh, or even worse, they make idols in their image, so that they can be just as sinful as they are, while fooling themselves with something they've made.

>>20170671
>>20170685
Alright so communion is important no matter what denomination you adhere to, so long as you have knelt and asked forgiveness through the sacrifice of Christ?
>>20170718
I suppose my fear lies in the splitting of hairs between the 3 major denominations of Christianity.
According to some Catholics, all Prots are burning in Hell because they tried to cut away anything that wasn't Jesus (I think)
According to some Protestants, all Catholics are burning in Hell because they worship idols and put salvation behind a checkpoint (I think)
According to some Orthodox.....I don't actually know what those guys do honestly they seem chill, are they damned by either group?

I simply want to honor and worship the Lord as is most pleasing to Him, and if He so desires help bridge the gaps between our precious faith which will be yet needed by so many in the coming years.

>>20170767
what do you mean with "so long as"?

>>20170767
It genuinely sounds like (to me) that you are a Catholic, in spite of yourself basically. It sounds to me like you do love Jesus and that you are probably going to attain salvation. What exactly is keeping you from just joining your local Catholic parish?

>>20170767
Prot idea is kinda right; orthos and caths usually disagree in more theological matters than anything.
I don't get why having anything other than Christ could be right; and i don't get why they pray to someone other than God either.

>>20170373
Try coming out of Satanic Babylonian paganism. Become Christian and do not pray to demons disguised as "Mary" and "saints". Satan loves that you pray to Ishtar and succumb to her energies of lust. Read the Holy Bible constantly, it will tell you everything you need to know.

>>20170767
What checkpoint?

>>20170805
Dont listen to scum like this, attacking the One True Church of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church, is the work of scum. protestants are walking puss bubbles filled with satanic bile, ready to burst and spew over everyone.

>>20170469
>I'm a Catholic person and that will not change
Oh well, so much for >>20170805. You are choosing to be in a Satanic snare it seems. Peter and Paul warned against the likes of those who would build an institution like Catholicism. You should listen to them.

>>20170584
>what Bible should I read?
>I'm aware of the one that is the Bible but I should probably read a "bible" instead.

>>20170789
Ah, with sincerity I suppose? I remember reading that those who partake of communion but haven't been 'saved' are doing a disservice to God.
>>20170795
Well I suppose it's a combination of ignorance regarding scripture and I don't want to err and...I don't know 'be wrong'.
>>20170813
The Priests absolving of sins and the ranking system of sins and confession. Unless I'm wrong here I thought you had to do a whole thing through Mass to get forgiven and put into a State of Grace or be damned to spend time in purgatory.

I suppose it really bothers me that according to the various thirds of Christianity the other ones are woefully damned to Hell despite by all appearances them accurately and faithfully worshipping Christ...

I apologize for my ignorance I only seek God.

>>20170805
>>20170816
>both hating on each other
this will get neither of you anywhere.
It especially ticks me off that you call Mary such things, and i'm a protestant too. I do agree you should only pray to God, and everything else is wrong, but why spout that at a just and God fearing woman? Would you call the apostles bad names too?
As for you, why are you insulting me?

>>20170821
The Bible says that the apostle saints Peter and Paul both went around building Churches. They are the ones who build the catholic institution, with the foundation being Christ. I know this, from reading the Bible.

For me it's the Geneva Bible, God's perfect preserved Word in English.
Don't read the Queen James (he was a homo) bible. The crown suppressed the Geneva Bible because they feared God's true perfect Word.

>>20170503
>>20170622
Holy shit, you definitely seem to have demons. As I said, stop praying to them. The real Mary and saints are not omniscient or omnipresent. Jesus taught and demonstrated praying to the Father. You obviously have little to no Christ in you. This is a very dangerous state. Pray to the Father and do not use Satanic Babylonian pagan rosaries.

>>20170856
>you call Mary such things
Calling demons disguised as someone is not calling that actual person anything at all. The Catholics and "Orthodox™" use that same strawman in defense of their Satanic Babylonian paganism, acting as if they are upset that the real Mary is being insulted.

>>20170861
you don't see any of prayer to saints or the dead martyrs, or to anyone besides God in Acts or elsewhere though.

>>20170872
Ya ya ya, shut the fuck up scumbag. "OHHH WOWIEEE THIS GUY IS SWEARING" you just called the Mother of God Ishtar you fucking shit. You will burn.

>>20170854
Youll be fine, find a Catholic Priest, and dont let my sinful ways deter you, if you pay attention to these threads you will see prots constantly slandering the Mother of Christ herself, it is constant and unwavering, the work of the Devil quite clearly. Oh wow im swearing I must be the Devil! Nah, its the people who slur Mary Mother of God. God Bless You!!!

>>20170865
If God agreed then it would be easily obtainable in many formats including nice ones at reasonable prices like the KJB is. I've looked for one, it's either hardcover or a fortune.

>>20170884
why would God allow such a thing to happen? for such a mockery of one of His children to be around?
>>20170896
it's the same guy.

>>20170896
I have no issue with "swearing", you are biliously hate filled and there is no room for Christ in such a heart. I am simply informing you of the matter of fact truth and not blasting you with hatefulness and you are reacting exactly as a demon to light.

>>20170854
yeah. asking for said forgiveness to Christ Himself, in prayer.
1 Corinthians 11:27
>so then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
What really bothers me is them saying they act in the name of Christ, and especially papacy and infallibility (which has gone out the window, one of them literally prayed to an idol) and then the people here saying such criticism is "donatism".
shouldn't it be God acting through them instead, if it were to be proper?

>>20170914
You hate the Mother of God and you slander her regularly. You dont understand it yet but you are probably going to spend eternity in hell. Far from God, far from Mary. You are utterly doomed. I have a hard time believing you will be able to return from this but I pray for people like you even as much as I hate. Mary looks down on you worryingly.

>>20170896
>prots constantly slandering the Mother of Christ herself, it is constant and unwavering, the work of the Devil quite clearly.
You are using a Satanic technique to act as if you are defending the actual Mary, but what you are really doing is protecting Satan's scam to fool people into praying to demons disguised as Mary and "saints". Satan rolls with laughter that he has convinced countless millions throughout history to pray to beings other than God. You are using smoke and mirrors.

>>20170934
Hopefully for your sake you're just trolling.

>>20170934
Explain saint prayer and especially Mariology. I'm being earnest here, and expect an answer where i am not insulted. I'm the other prot fellow.
And don't use buzzwords like "it's reverence" or whatever. Be extremely thorough and back it with Scripture (although i'd rather you didn't try to use James 5:16 to mean something other than a brother down here.) (And also that Revelation 8:3, as far as i know, uses saints in the same sense as elsewhere - that is, believers.)

>>20170936
No, im pointing towards your comments slandering the Mother of God, Mary. You will burn.
>>20170942
Scumbag.

>>20170972
Why Pray to Mary? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.

Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And yet they have no problem asking others here on earth to pray for them, instead of simply and solely praying to Jesus on their own. Indeed, St. Paul says that God grants blessings “in answer to many prayers” (2 Cor. 1:11). And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16–18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in heaven?

Scripture elsewhere speaks of the “the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven” and “the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:23, emphasis added). Given their heavenly perfection in Jesus, which would include perfection in charity and thus concern for their brothers and sisters in Christ on earth (see 1 Cor. 2:12-26), we should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus the Lamb (Rev. 5:8), and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven.

In this light, we see that the saints—as faithful disciples of Jesus—are his collaborators, not his competitors in interceding for us. Consequently, because Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence (see Luke 1:28, 38), we should not be surprised that she is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

>>20170988
but if they are so, why do you pray to them? wouldn't they already be praying for everyone still here? worse yet, why do you do it to images of them?
It, in my view, seems you say they have power independent from God, which is not true. we cannot be or do good, if not for God helping us.
we are told in Leviticus to make no images.
the woman in Revelation is Israel, as far as i know.

>>20170988
>Catholic Answers copy/paste

>>20171015

In Exodus 20:3-6 God forbids making graven images for the purpose of idolatry but does not forbid the making of graven images per se. Elsewhere he commands that statues and other graven images be carved for religious purposes. The Catholic Church permits statues because they remind us of unseen things, but it condemns the idolatry of statue worship.

“[The Lord said] make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. . .” (Ex. 25:18-19).

“You shall make the tabernacle with . . . cherubim skillfully worked” (Ex. 26:1).

“The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.’ So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole” (Num. 21:8-9).

“He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers” (1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29).

“[The brazen sea] stood upon [statues of] twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east” (1 Kgs. 7:25).

“And on the surfaces of its stays and on its panels, he carved cherubim, lions, and palm trees, according to the space of each, with wreaths round about” (1 Kgs. 7:36).

>>20171015
>>20170988
to add onto this, some prayers ask for salvation to Mary. I may ask a brother for prayer, but i won't dare do such a thing to anyone besides God Himself (who also stated it clearly in John 14:6)
>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

I want to read the Bible, but I read that the KJV has some pretty critical translation errors, such as 'Though shall not murder' being mistranslated to 'Thou shall not kill', and a few others.
I want to read the Old Testament as close to the old Hebrew manuscripts as possible. I'm thinking of getting the kjv new testament, and a separate version of the Jewish Bible. Call you guys make any recommendations? Or should I ask this question on a Jewish forum?

>>20171020
Yet you cannot refute it, curious. Why WOULDNT I turn to a massive amount of answers by Christian experts? Stupid 4chan brained idiot.

>>20171031
seriously?
you can make idols as long as you don't worship them? What about "relics" and the fact that most Catholics do pray to the statues? Would God allow that?

secondly, those were all ordered by God Himself, and the snake was destroyed when they began to worship it, and here is emphasis, outside of God (as in, as its own thing instead of a manifestation of God's power)

>>20171033
get a Septuagint, i think. give it a check, it's the most proper translation. steer clear from the Masoretic Text, as some have been altered with ill intent.
your best bet is learning Hebrew honestly.

>>20171044
Nothing you said refutes what I put above, you are just projecting your own prot bullshit onto it. You are extremely lost and I will be praying intently for you this evening. It just seems like you are really confused. Read over what I have sent to you again, and either find better ways to refute it or.. come to the Catholic Church, where you belong.

>>20171055
Am i wrong? Refute me explicitly then.
have you not anything to say besides "you're wrong, read what i said again"?
let's just leave another, simple one: why are there relics, and images of other people, who are also not ordered by God?

>>20171075
And as a complement to it:
Why would God allow believers to wrongly worship the images?

>>20171033
The oldest OT is the LXX, which is Greek. The LXX is more than 1000 years older than the Hebrew Masoretic used by the KJV.

>>20171088
although almost every translation uses the MT (although some times corrupted) and compares it to the others, to keep the coherence of the Hebrew and fix the changes.
but yeah, the LXX seems fun.

Was reading Mark 4. I enjoyed the parables of the seeds. I realized my faith is much like the seed that took in bad soil. The roots were weak and the plant was quick to wither in hardship. I feel myself at a crossroads. I'm either goin to drift further from faith, or renew my efforts.

>>20171034
trust the experts, goy

>>20166603
>where is predestination mentioned in the Gospels?
Romans 8

>>20171097
Keep strong, brother.

>>20163889
Mormonism is already prepared for that

>>20171075
You clearly didnt read what was said above the answer is LITERALLY in what I posted, I cant argue in bad faith, and prots only know bad faith. Good luck.

>>20171100
Those experts gave you the Bible, you scumshit.

>>20171088
>>20171095
Thanks, Anon. My next question would be what texts are the LXX and Masoretic based on? But I should probably stop baking lazy and look it up myself.

>>20171100
So the Vatican infiltrated by spooks only means that our devout cath-bros need our prayers and support more then ever.

So if a Catholic says they don't worship Mary then that ought to be sufficient for the rest of us, no?
Though, I will say it seems a tertiary step in a sense. Christ will keep us no matter the odds, so while it isn't necessarily bad to ask for any help you can get, you would already have all the help you need in God.

>>20171097
Try your best Anon, I was in such a similar place not too long ago and persevered through the doubt...God knows exactly how much you can take, have as much faith in Him as He does in you.

>>20170713
>tfw the Messiah holds a pure mirror to the wretchedness of your soul and instead of embracing redemption you seek his death

I feel pity, though I cannot say I would be any better, the sinner that I am.

>>20171129
wiki is fairly fair here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

>>20171117
As expected, doesn't have an argument.
and even insulted me in the process.

>>20171123
did they? or did they keep it for themselves?

>>20171100
>>20171131
The Vatican wasn't "taken over" or "infiltrated", it was a Satanic Babylonian pagan institution from *at least* the time of Jerome arguing the "ever virgin Mary" fictions into the church and having his own sick sub cult of women, one of whom died following his dietary instructions. He then berated her mother for grieving too much over it. He also personally warped Scripture to suit his sicko cult mentality, making it say that the woman, rather than her seed (which is Christ) would crush the serpent's head. It's a real mind boggler that people still let all this pass. There is no office of priesthood either. All Satanic hijackings from very early (probably cemented in the 4th).

>>20171232
I told you to read what I posted, I cant be responsible for educating you. If you dont understand what was posted then I honestly dont know what to do for you. I gave you the EXACT answers. Also im not even an apologist. If you are so concerned why dont you go spend some time reading? The problem is you arent concerned, all you are doing is trying to trap lay people into little corners, thats what all protestants do. They come at normal God loving people and they attack them until they are so mixed up and scared that they join their local scumbag parish for prots. Christ Church will always prevail where luther worship will always fail. And whatever dinky prot denoms you are a part of are utterly worthless.

STILL, i am sinful, I admit this and I am going to pray for you very hard.

>>20171235
People read their Bibles (created and provided by the Catholic Church) all throughout the history of Christianity, another retarded prot legend debunked. Go watch a history of the reformation and maybe you will better understand how your vile heresy was created by a neurotic faggot obsessed with scat.

>>20171255
Lighten up. I won’t argue that I have a long way to go. But on my there I refuse to treat others as anything besides like I want to be treated. Especially in the only relevant thread on this otherwise godless site.
>but they this and that
Jesus tells us to stay our calm regardless. You don’t remember what he said in the sermon on the mount?

>>20171312
I'm simply informing people of known facts in counter to fables, not "treating" anyone any way. If someone posts lies, I post truth for the benefit of themselves, or any others that might happen to read and not wish to be mislead by Satanic Babylonian pagan lies. Calm as a cucumber, I might add. Are you projecting something, perhaps? Do you think Jesus wouldn't want lies that corrupt His children to be exposed?

>The Dead Sea Scrolls provide a window into the ways in which scribes routinely interacted with the texts.

>[…] A second variety of data demonstrates that biblical literature evolved almost every time a scribe made a new copy of a scroll.
>-K.L. Noll

Why do so many people claim the Bible is the literal word of God when it's been constantly changed by the ancient equivalent of office workers? And what's the best way to shut up ignorant zealots?

>>20171350
You are simply lying, scumbag.

>>20171364
Ask Christ.

>>20171364
Because God acted through them. Wonder why it's all consistent across languages and time periods?

>>20171364
Because it is the word of God. The scripture exists only for your benefit.

>>20171364
I find the best way to silence zealots is to ask them why they don't prefer the intellectually superior atheist societies that evolved throughout history like Weimar Germany or the late stage USA.

>>20171377
> it's the word of God because it's the word of God
Classic. The best example of circular reasoning is the christard foaming over his favorite book

>>20171375
But it's not consistent. There are substantial differences when between ancient versions of the OT. Do you think before you speak or just barf or whatever half formed thought pops into your head?

>>20171372
Tribal chanting of magic words. You'd be more at home in Liberia.

>>20171350
Anon, on top of everything else, the earth IS flat. Thats how God made it. But you already know this right?

>>20171391
Cultural decadence and religious observance are not necessarily correlated.

>>20171391
And I never said I was atheist. I'm just embarrassed by the stupidity of the average biblefaggot.

>>20171399
Kill yourself

>>20171410
Embarrassed enough to come onto a thread specifically for discussing the Bible on a smaller board on a single website?
I don't like sodomy but neither do I feel compelled to go onto /LGBT/ and tell them to repent.

>>20171428
>go onto /LGBT/ and tell them to repent.
But it's a fun game.

Anyway, here's some advice. You people would keep much more of your membership of you learned to silence the idiots among you and only speak if you are capable of basic reasoning. As it is, I'm leaning towards Judaism as a source of wisdom and fellowship simply because their smarter. Christianity has an IQ problem.

>>20171399
Uh oh, looks like the jews sent another ENGLITHENED ATHEIST, or whatever the fuck disgusting belief you have. Vile faggot.

>>20171446
ya ya ya, didnt read, you disgusting kike.

>>20171418
For Christ’s sake?

>>20171446
>simply because their smarter

>>20171459
Your seething hatred of the Jews just makes them seem like the reasonable party

>>20171472
I'm phonefagging. There are two typos in that post. I stand behind what I said.

>>20171450
I believe that I will be judged and condemned in the same manner that I judge and condemn. Gospel says that.

I also believe that it is an honor to be persecuted for Christ’s sake.

>>20171474
Until you look at the blood libel. get dicked, moshie.

>>20171367
>>20171399
Sure, have fun while you can, I already know what you face ahead with adulthood.

>>20171396
>The best example of circular reasoning is the christard foaming over his favorite book
Thats not circular reasoning. It's propositional.

>>20171446
Judaism is an ethnicity pretending to be a religion, you must qualify genetically to join. That being said they simply believe the Talmud which is the Torah + nonsense that doesn't even have historical presence (they admit their source is: we made it up)
THAT being said there are more genius IQ Christians than there are Jews in the world.

I'm sure you knew these things and were just here to troll but nonetheless I shall pray for you

I go to Pastor Jim's Bible Church. You know who founded it? Pastor Jim, a guy I know and trust. He was a varsity linebacker, I trust him with my life. Now who founded the Catholic church? Emperor Constantine? Guy must think pretty highly of himself to call himself emperor. Bet he couldnt even get on the soccer team. Know who my emperor is? JESUS CHRIST.

>>20171474
We have to hate one another, we’re from opposing cults.

>>20171499
love your enemies, jerk

>>20171491
Balding? You putting on some weight? Ulcers? For me its the teeth, should’ve tooken better care of them while I still had them.

>>20171498
No way you know Pastor Jim! I let him fuck my girlfriend in highschool. Ill see you in church!

>>20171512
i dont even know what this conversation is anymore, one of you thinks a bunch of comments are mine when they arent. Sola Scriptura tho! do you guys want to make love in the ass?

>>20171492
Q
>Why do so many people claim the Bible is the literal word of God when it's been...
A
>Because it's the word of God.
That's circular reasoning, fucktard.

>>20171495
Judaism is historically an ethno-religion, but they now accept members of other races. The Talmud is the continued writings of the Hebrews, whom you oddly seem to disrespect despite worshipping their religion.
There are more genius IQ people of European descent than Jews in the world, not Christian. I'd be surprised if there was even a single genius who could tolerate the company of you people. Also, note that Jews are a single Semitic race, and it would be more fair to pit all the middle eastern races against the European races, instead of just Jews. You're a retard, son. Have some humility and keep quiet, you're embarrassing.

>>20171527
No thats not circular reasoning. Its just taking scripture at face value. There is no prior justification. The Word of God is propositional.

Try a new book you autists

>>20171512
If any of that is the worst of it you'll be doing pretty great. Thankfully I got my education back when we still left children behind and were allowed to be given Gideon Bibles in class.

>>20171544
no

>>20163843
I'm reading Exodus. God should have nuked all the jews when they started to worship a golden calf. Our Lord is truly a forgiving Lord.

>>20171535
"The bible is the word of God" is a proposition, and your evidence is "because it's the word of God". That's circular reasoning.

>>20171562
Same. Wtf is going on with all the descriptions in the last part

>>20171527
>Jews are a single Semitic race
>Judaism is an ethno-religion for Jews
>Judaism is now open to other races
C'mon man
Now if you exclusively take Ashkenazi IQ totals (of which there are plenty of critiques regarding the sampling methodology to acquire said stat) and somehow exclude the sheer biological nightmare their genetic lineage has then we can talk about practicality regarding IQ.
I'll take the entire Middle East and square them up to Europeans pound for pound on IQ if you want though, the seething throngs of Islamic peoples and Sephardic Jews will only help you I'm sure.

Judaism was also born as said ethno-religion many years after Christianity, as there were only two types of local religious schools after Christs' victory on the cross:
1. Christians:
2. Not Christians:
I do not worship Jews nor their modern psuedo "religion" I follow the teachings of Christ who also adopted a great many Judeans into the faith. I welcome any brother in Christ, but those who retain their earthly pride and sins ought to be made aware of their fragile positions.

>>20171569
which?

>>20171568
No the proposition is "The bible is the word of God"
This is taken as true without justification. Hence faith. Thats what divine revelation means.

>>20171575
I said it's historically an ethno religion, idiot.

>take Ashkenazi IQ
>exclude the sheer biological nightmare their genetic lineage
> then we can talk about practicality regarding IQ.
Inherited genetic defects have nothing to do with the conversation of IQ. I said they seemed smarter, nothing else.

> take the entire middle east
I didn't say they would come out on top, just that the comparison would be more fair because you were comparing completely different categories.

> Judaism was born as an ethno religion after Christianity
What are you talking about? The OT is the story of the Hebrews. All religions were arguably were linked to ethnicity back then. You're just making shit up.

>I do not worship Jews nor their modern psuedo "religion
You worship Jesus, king of the Jews, who was the continuation of Judaism and who fulfilled Jewish prophecy (supposedly). You can't separate Christianity from Judaism. Even if you ignore the old testament, you'll still be worshipping a man who considered himself part of that tradition, not you mention the new testament souls lose its context and become meaningless. You obviously have no shame or awareness of the stupidity of the shit you're spewing. Do you realize you're an embarrassment to your religion? Please consider suicide. This is my last response.

>>20171481
Phoneposting is a mortal sin.

>>20171583
At least you admit there's no justification for your beliefs.

>>20171569
You mean the directions for building the temple and meeting tent etc? Just some divine architecture autism I guess.

>>20171636
Faith is a funny thing. Took me a long time to appreciate its value.

>>20171628
You seem upset, I would be too if I were you.
Have you read what the Talmud says about Christ? That's a pretty fair condemnation of the modern "jews" as the lost disciples of Christ or whatever else you're headcannoning.
Christ explicitly said his death removed the preferential treatment of Jews vs Gentiles vs anyone else.
Modern Judaism was born after Christianity as Christianity absorbed old OT (Hebrew) and merged it with NT. Even an agnostic scholar is aware of this truth.

>>20171569
That goes on for some chapters, lol.

>>20171498
Catholics hate Pastor Jim because he tells the truth.

>>20171648
>it's a 30 pages of troop movement and construction blueprints for the Hebrews episode
Lord give me strength

>>20171660
Im praying for you, pardner'.

>>20171662

>>20171647
I get annoyed when someone says something stupid. The smug retard christcuck is a modern archetype, and you fulfill it perfectly.
> we wuz the true Hebrews
Kill yourself.
I just showed you several incorrect things about your previous post, and still you persist. You're incapable of consistency or reasoning. People like you make me think that maybe white genocide isn't the end of the world.

>>20171682
Well ill be..

>>20171375
It's not consistent, you liar. Isn't lying a sin?
> God acted through them
No, they were simply changing "God's word" as they saw fit. Do you have any justification for believing otherwise?

I never said "we wuz"
>white genocide
Schlomo reveals himself, and all it took was baiting him for a few posts. Make sure you take your meds before Creutzfeldt-Jacob consumes you entirely.

>DELETED
Proverbs 28:1
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth: But the righteous are bold as a lion."
I SEE YOU COWARD

>>20171569
Remember this text was supposed to be a repository of wisdom and knowledge for the Jewish people, so it has not just preserved stories but ritual instructions and the Jewish law as well. The following few books are mostly this, so just glaze your eyes over when it's talking about tabernacles and cubits or what lox you can eat on Tuesday. It picks up again.

>>20171757
Kek
>shlomo
Jews are behind everything, huh? This is the white retard's version of critical race theory.

I deleted it because I realized it was pointless talking to you.

>>20171792
Cope and seethe, you are revealed and reviled

>>20171757
Also, why do you care about white genocide even you're clearly a nigger?

>>20171810
Whiter than you, no doubt

Does God's promise with the rainbow endure even after Jesus so to speak or is flooding back in the smite book? I haven't read Revelations yet cause I'm saving it for the very end but I was curious...

>>20171812
the eye of a nigger

Should notation in a Bible be taken externally so the Book (are you supposed to capitalize Book if you mean Bible?) isn't marred in any way? I'd like to document my thoughts as I read but I wouldn't want to do anything unseemly.

>>20169124
But the story of King David is based. Dudes a chad

I want God

>>20163843
Ive found that the Bible is the best book to be read for people of any age. You got stories in there very suitable for children and you got some of the most horrific, fallen, violent and evil depictions of man for when youve aged a little then you return to the classics when your elderly or something i guess. Really cant stop returning to the KJV bros

>>20171937
I notate all over the margins of mine.

>>20171937
Keep a notebook, and then you can later choose if you want to transfer those notes into a physical Bible.

>>20171959
God wants you also, brother.

>>20171937
The thoughts on the Bible far exceed that of the text itself. It reasons to follow that you should take notes in any number of external notebooks regarding the Bible. Each verse could be a page. Margins are never big enough for your own writings.

>>20172270
I only notate shorthand encapsulated "reminders". Not only is it all that is necessary, but it's essential for squeezing the most in on pages that require more extensive coverage. I do a lot of additional cross references too, but fit them into the center column with the original ones when possible.

>>20171848
>Does God's promise with the rainbow endure
Yes. The world will burn this time around.
>source
Peter/NT eschatology. This is the premise we all working with.

>>20171131
>Harp
Are you saying the Irish are God's chosen people?

>>20173604
We're the lost tribe of Dan bro

>>20174316
the Lost Tribe of Dan-Bro.. huh

>>20174687
We're the lost Lost Tribe of Dan-Bro bro

>>20172571
>The world will burn this time around.
No it won't

>>20174775
Well ill be..

>He
>became man
For our sake, right? But He’s not man.
The unknowable God, who is not man, will judge man according to an unknown standard.

>>20175153
Jesus is fully God and fully man.

>>20174944
>But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
2 Pet - 3

No? So it will flood again?

>>20175235
Oh I thought you meant it'll happen soon.

>>20175223
>theanthropic
I know. As in fully divine and fully human. And I’m human, I get what thats about, but I’m not divine and that remains a mystery to me. And He will judge us according to a mysterious divine standard.

>>20175713
I dunno, Jesus was pretty clear how things would work. The whole point of Christ is our sins and judgment would be covered in God's eyes.

>>20175713
>love God with all your heart and all your might
>love your neighbor as yourself
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

>>20175808
>>20175886
True. I’m just saying God is incomprehensible. I have faith that His mercy is greater than my sins, and will forgive me, but my faith is all I can be sure of. The crucified thief wound up in paradise after a lifetime of godlessness. Judas spent his days with the Lord, in the company of holy men, participating in holy events, but that couldn’t save him.

>>20163843
"Seek what is good, and you shall live"
Amos 5:14

>mfw I get it
>mfw I count my sins
>mfw I could never pay for them
>mfw I got somebody in my corner who already did