/lit/ - Literature

>>20205280
>He screeched confrontationally, hoping for a debate

I have had my mind changed in discussions on this site and also had anons admit they were wrong after arguing with me. It is very satisfying

>>20205280
I do change my mind because winning is an insufferable mindset. It's about encountering the truth, not winning.

>>20205280
Marxists spend all their time debating online because their entire ideology just loser resentment driving violent revolution. They argue online because they are too weak to actually do anything since their opponents are much more intelligent and power than they are.

>>20205280
I absolutely fucking adore arguing with people. My autism flows out unrestrainedly in a shower of Akshually manna upon my trembling psychic limbs

But I learned at age like 11 that you can never ever do this irl with normalniggers, so I spent years cooping it up inside myself and being normal, until I discovered this site

>>20205280
I only "debate" as a false flag of the opposing veiw to intentionally make them look retarded and gay
Everything I do and say is done and said through the lense of shitposting an irony. "How can I make people mad?" Is the primary thought that goes though my head. If I'm "debating" I'm never trying to do anything but piss as many people off as I can. Shitposting is all there is on this circus of a urth

>>20205296
Me too, I just enjoy banter, and this place isn't completely unusable like /tv/

>>20205280
But there is an audience on imageboards.

>>20205280
>Why do people debate online?
I don't. I nitpick with greentext, soiquote, and make fun of people.

>>20205299
I wish you would do that elsewhere

>>20205307
Become a janny and make me faggotbitch
(I'll just reset my router anyway and continue shitposting)

>>20205306
Blessed soijack poster

>>20205294
chud telling on themself kek

>>20205294
Marxist hands typed this.

>>20205313
Obviously i can't stop you, I'm simply saying i wish you would stop on your own

>>20205327
Embrace the clownage anon. Things will not get better. They will only get worse. Laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh

>>20205339
But you are fulfilling that prophecy yourself. There are probably threads that would have been devoid of trolling without you. I don't want to post in threads like that, so I'll keep trying to just have good conversations

>>20205280
Because I am full of hate and this is an outlet for it. Now kys, and I mean it.

>>20205280
>no one actually going to change their mind after some retards on the internet told them to change their mind
They do, they just don't admit it right then n there

>>20205354
I will not rest until every thread is filled with my shit.
You will not have meaningful conversations
You will not enjoy discussion with other anons
You will read my skitzoposts
You will eat the bugs and my shid
>Verification not required.

>>20205383
I'm having good conversations in a number of threads on several different boards right now. It's nice, I hope you can enjoy that someday

Arguing online uses my own pettiness to inspire me to more deeply engage with books I'm interested in. I will go back to the texts I argue about and look for textual evidence for what I'm arguing. It's fun.

>>20205385
Post the threads so I can derail them <3

>>20205383

based

>>20205280
This is why I don't debate lol i just post my comment and ignore the reply. not interested in changing anyone's mind. especially on this site since everyone's anon so it literally doesn't matter and I'll never meet them irl.

>>20205426
Anon posting and leaving so fast he'll never know i called him gay

>>20205413
>>>/lgbt/25253445

>>20205280
Why do you ask questions online? Do you really think that people are going to give you honest answers if people aren't willing to have their mind changed either?
>Why do people debate online?
To stress test my theories and reasoning or to get someone to explain something I don't understand. I don't argue about things I'm sure of, and if the other side veers off the topic I try to ask my original question again or otherwise bail. I'm not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.
So far my skills at actually baiting people into writing articulate takedowns is lacking, when you challenge someone's expertise they resort to childish namecalling and denial instead of trying to own you with a display of their extensive relevant knowledge.

>>20205454
Fag

>>20205280
because we are social beings you stupid head.

also0, I have convinced and have been convinced before on the internet.

>>20205479
>we are social beings
Speak for yourself, you weak willed faggot. You fear solitude because you have no wisdom.

>>20205483
Are you just, like, stupid? How did you achieve this level of non-introspection?

I see opinions I disagree with and it provokes me to think about why. I explain why I disagree, and then the other anon thinks more about his position. And then we both share our new insights, thereby enriching ourselves and possibly others. Why does everyone automatically assume malice or anger on our behalf? Why does it necessarily have to be a competition? Perhaps we haven't found a solution to the problem we were discussing. Maybe we even got a little more passionate than the situation required. But you can't convince me that it's "not productive" to have a hearty disagreement with my fellow anons.

I've never seen anyone changing their mind after a debate. In fact I don't believe debates exist at all.

>>20205498
I dont believe YOU exist

>>20205317
>no u

Typical Marxist brainlet, may such cases, Sad!

>>20205280
Idk. I like to think it’s to learn and such and such and change others mind but I just noticed the one time someone changed my mind on something on this site I actually cared for and argued passionately about (argument about god and free will) I literally forgot his whole argument/points very soon after and now I literally hold the same views I did before just because I didn’t bother to remember his complete refutation to what I said

>>20205280
It is possible to change one's mind with a constructive, well-thought out debate. Unfortunately, most debates I see online are more akin to two monkeys screeching at each other, because the other side dared to have a different opinion and is not immediately dropping it to ask for forgiveness.

>>20205533
Well I don’t really hold the same views. Now I just think I’m probably wrong about the views I had but I can’t say or think of why lol

>>20205483
Literal edgy cope

>>20205280
i debate to sort out my own understanding of things

>>20205280
Stupid arguments on the internet have actually improved my critical thinking skills by a great margin. It's super easy for me to tell when someone is lying or skewering the truth now, and I can turn their asshole inside out with rhetoric so quickly I can predict their response before they even type it.

>>20205509

Marxists are the flat earthers of economics

>>20205492
>>20205540
You are icchantikas.

>>20205280
>Unlike real life discussions or debates no one actually going to change their mind
"Unlike"? lol
>Ultimately the goal of online debate is to make your opponent look stupid
This is true of in person debates as well

Even at it's most sincere and intellectually charitative, debate is about convincing onlookers, not the other person.

>>20205296
>>20205302
This

>>20205483
lol, retard

>>20205280
I do it largely as practice in synthesizing and organizing ideas, which is much more fun in a live environment where those ideas can be challenged (sometimes forcing me to amend or change my idea entirely). Sure I could do it in a journal or blog or something bit then I dont get to interact with new ideas or new formulations of those ideas or encounter things I hadn't thought about (without difficulty anyway). of course this only applies to when the debate is good (not constant shit flinging, ad hominem, straw-manning, or simple troll bs). It is for these reasons as well that I like to post on obvious bait, like this thread here.

>>20205280
Can’t speak for other posters but I’m simply bored to death at work

>>20205280
Uh have you seen how seriously people take Twitter?
Anyway humans are ultra social. Most of the talk humans do accomplishes nothing in the most concrete sense. It's not as if social interaction is the most practical way to do achieve anything. The internet just allows people to get the social interaction they naturally crave more easily and conveniently than ever before.

>>20205493
I agree with this. Also applies when you see an opinion you hold justified in a shaky way.
>>20206542
This as well. It's a specific case of challenging your ideas, which I think it's important. You can play devil's advocate on your own but it's way harder.

To all of this I'd add that arguing online is easier, particularly anonymously. You can listen to the opposition without social pressure, you can choose when to engange, you can think through your words carefully, etc.
>>20205533
This is very funny

>>20205280
>Why do people debate online?
why do they do it in real life? ego