/lit/ - Literature

>>20321848
You're going to remain retarded forever

Blätter für die Kunst, Mercure de France, The Little Review, Botteghe Oscure
Les Fleurs de Tarbes
Mafarka the Fururist, Jésus-Christe-Rastaquère, Sam Dunn Is Dead, The Dream Life of Balso Snell

>>20321866
none of those magazines are in circulation

>>20321848
"Adequate little" red wine kek this chart is a riot

>>20321848
I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for but it's usually a lot more helpful to just search through jstor (or whichever database or piracy software of your choice) for whatever you are interested in. If you find an article you like, maybe check out the publication and see if you want to order copies or subscribe. I guess if you just want something to keep on the coffee table subscribe to the paris review.

>>20321848
What is "the Game,"?

>>20322320
You just lost it.

>>20322333
So did you!

>>20322320
What they used to call charades

Cause: The Lodge

>>20322394
wtf, Masonic Lodge? I thought those were full of upper class dudes.

>>20322394
Masons BTFO

>>20322397
Lodges were stuffed to the brim with parvenus and social climbers, that's why the aristocracy and clergy shat themselves so much over them

>>20322414
sheit thanks. I always wondered why they hated masons so much.

>>20321848
look up publication studio

>>20321848
>Bach and before, Ives and after
Hard to go wrong with that.

>>20321848
it's actually pretty impressive how accurate this chart still is if you can mentally update a few of the terms

>>20322955
Give us an updated version anon

>>20322277
That’s the point

>>20324514
There is no highbrow now

>>20321848
the eames chair is what every 30 year old engineer owns, it's literally a reddit meme. you can get a kitsch calder inspired knock off for $10 on etsy and it would blend in seamlessly with the standard midcentury living room. if you told anybody today you were into ballet and bach they'd think you're a posing dullard

the point is that you can't buy elite taste, by the time people outside of the williamsburg bubble have caught wind of it it's already stale and there's nothing more gauche than being sincerely into something late. a few years after even the hangerson have learned about it, it gets refined and sanitised to suit a broader palate and you'll see it in a24 films and in the new yorker and then it's practically twittercore. you might say the entire point of elite styles is to be as inaccessible and different as possible and to swiftly discard them once the rest get hold of them. it's a self-referential bubble.

>elites are too detached from liberal social causes, too focused on art
good joke

>>20323016

>>20324913
Based

>>20324913
>lowbrow entirely accurate
>highbrow verging on satire
Something you want to confess, anon?

>>20324980
>clothes
Accurate. Fur is not murder.
>furniture
Mastery of self and ability to disguise your property is inherently good.
>useful objects
a little schizophrenic but still good to have, they aren't vanity objects
>entertainment
Cultural studies as well as secrets hidden from you. Learned.
>salads
luv me meat
>drinks
Rural well water is full of necessary minerals for a hearty constitution.
>reading
baaaased
>sculpture
I can't find any of it disagreeable, the works and idols of our ancient ancestors are worth studying to see what transferred into the modern age
>records
yeah i don't get it
>games
Market manipulation is a game played only by the high-brow elite.
>causes
magic is real, as is family
>drugs
never had any of those, but i do like running

>>20321848
>little magazines

Yeah, you are going to have to read literature my nigger in Christ.

Here is babies first steps
>Egyptian book of the dead
>Chumash
>Holy Bible (Pick your poison, you are going to have to read all versions eventually)
>Qu'ran
>Vedas
>Homer - Oddesey
>Plato - The Republic
>Hermetica
>The Divine Comedy
>Shakespeare in the entirety
>Declaration of independence and the Consitution
>Federalist Papers and Anti-federalist papers

There are many, many more authors and books to read. You can't live in reality if you don't know the tree of life.

>>20325012
based reader

>>20324980
that's literally upper class values anon, idk what youre talking about

>>20321848
Low brow is SOVL

>>20325063
Whatever you think.

>>20321848
There is not a single one of those were the high-brow is the best one.
>Durr, I only listen medieval peasant music from before 1700, HURRR I'm so smart
Such unrelenting faggotry.
Surprisingly, lowbrow and upper-middle brow have an equal amount of wins, sharing first place, while lower middle-brow and high-brow share the same number as well, literally zero.

>>20321848
In this particular image lowbrow seems much more soulful. Eating coleslaw, watching Westerns, and picking your music from the jukebox is kino

>>20324913
Thanks anon, now I can strive for true highbrowness. This legitimately reminded me why I waste time on this site at all.

>>20325133
The chart author said that tastes change over time, so what was once high brow will often become middle-brow, and what was once low-brow can sometimes become highbrow.

>>20324913
Me:
>Clothes
Canvassed suits and jackets, tweeds, flannels
>Furniture
Lesser known mid-century furniture (i.e. not Eames/Sarriien, but solid furnishings from regional joiners)
>Useful Objects
Cell phone; shotgun; watch; computer
>Entertainment
Theater, Live Music (classical [baroque through modern]; jazz; opera); shooting, films and television downloaded from usenet
>Salads
Arugula with fruits and herbs, all grown in the garden
>Drinks
Wine (from the Rhone Valley and from California [Napa; Paso Robles]), brandy (Armagnac ranging from 20 to 50 years old), cocktails, coffee, water
>Reading
/lit/, contemporary 'literature,' middle-brow literature from the 1920s through 1980s, ancient Greek literature, history, and philosophy. Periodicals from Trumpists/Straussians on the Right and milquetoast anarchists on the Left
>Sculpture
Reproduction busts and small statues; houseplants; floor lamps
>Records
See Live Music under entertainment, replace with recorded. Add bluegrass and gypsy jazz as well.
>Games
Chess, Minesweeper, Skeet, losing The Game any time similar images are posted
>Causes
Increasing use of sortition in selection of government officials; encouraging people to be kind to others that they disagree with
>Drugs
Alcohol, tobacco pipe once a month; caffeine

>>20321848
Read Fussell. Ignore the self-serving 'class-X' conclusion where he tries to hide the fact that he is himself middle-class.

>>20324913
lower-middle brow is literally me other than games (visual novel), causes (don't care about politics) and drugs (none)

>>20321848
>Games: Go
How do I become sheer Zen mode with this game? Every time I play online I rage out like a lunatic when I lose. I just want to sit down with someone face to face and learn.

>>20325374
You just need to get good desu senpai.

>>20325063
Highbrow means the intellectual elite, not the upper class.

If you need a demonstrative example why the difference matters, McMansions are not highbrow but are very much upper class.

>>20324913
top kek saving this

>>20322387
You're making shit up based off of one cartoon.

>>20325626
The image clearly depicts charades, also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_the_Game_(1946_TV_series)

>>20324913
>thousand of folding chairs

>>20321848
The lodge? Like Freemasons?

>>20326329
highbrow: living out of the YMCA
low brow: leasing your own apartment

>>20326500
Highest brow: owning your own dwelling place outright.

>>20321848
kinda gay

>>20327074
saying fuck societal rules and reject normality

>>20321848
You bastard. Do you know how long my winning streak was?

>>20325273
I hide behind Class-X because I'm poor. I thought that's what it's there for.

>>20327183
The real poor are generally Fussell's "low and out of sight" class.

>>20324913
This is a little too powerful for the uninitiated.

>>20327543
That guys actually a genius.

>>20324913
>thousands of folding chairs

>>20321848
I don't see the point in caring about the highbrow/lowbrow divide anyway. None of you are going to be in a situation where having the "right opinions" will matter to you in a social sense and if not for that, then for what else are you supposed create such a dichotomy? The idolatry of terminology and the hierarchies of whoever happens to be the leading clique dictating tastes and trends never led to a fertile soil for creativity.

>>20327100
wait, 20327074 had a point.

if brow-class is measured in this context as getting the most out of your price-unit; by forcefully usurping land and refusing to pay taxes (owning; outright.) you then win harder than homeowners and renters.

That's one better than the YMCA van dwelling call of the croc (((puppetmaster))) life.

but he prob wont last very long when raided by alphabetsoups

>>20327100
wait, >>20327074 had a point.

if brow-class is measured in this context as getting the most out of your price-unit; by forcefully usurping land and refusing to pay taxes (owning; outright.) you then win harder than homeowners and renters.

That's one better than the YMCA van dwelling call of the croc (((puppetmaster))) life.

but he prob wont last very long when raided by alphabetsoups

>>20322333
those digits anon...

>>20327117
Recently I realized it had been about a decade since I lost it.

>>20321848
Forehead height, or at least it's development potential, is determined at birth. I'm not sure if it has any definitive connection with character as such (probably a correlation), but through the fact that the brow is so monumental and the brain is more exposed with bare skin in the facial region, people with higher brows are usually capable of more dynamic and textual facial expression, this adds to their IQ by expanding the threshold of their vocabulary beyond mere phonemes, and into a holistic demonstration. There are things these people can convey in person that the more 'stunted' simply can't. The forehead acts like (so it's no surprise that there's a link between the 'intelligence' of dolphins and humans mostly by way of their exceptional gregariosity) the sonar receptive dish of a dolphin, in this case picking up the subtle wavelengths projected by the intention of eye contact. This establishes a 'good luck loop' like being born with lots of money. You are more attractive because you can convey more expression with people, as a result you become more 'open,' and positively emotionally intelligent. Therein is the quality of the highbrow.

>>20321848
>>20324913
The trick to being "highbrow" is to "be" elite.
Being elite means being the best at things that "actually" matter (etiquette, gatherings, intellectual matters, principles, etc.) while excelling at things that "new money" cannot do. (owning large amounts of land, being friends with other elites, meeting royalty, hosting "old money" events like hunting expeditions, owning rare artifacts, holding a degree from an ivy league school, etc.)

Elites read books in order to maintain their elite status. They don't read fiction, they read works read by other "elites". Stuff like "How this African kid changed America" or "This Vietnamese dude survived being tortured for 90 days". These types of misery-porn biographical works make for great ammunition in social settings, which are the battlegrounds of the elites. Intellectual works like the western canon are just "for fun", and are only read to make allusions in social settings. "Everyone knows" the western canon, so it's never mentioned, only deconstructed.

Non-elites are the possessions of the elites. They love immigrants, because it allows them to be the saints they know themselves to be. Most people rush to the opportunity to be the hero. They will be very upset if they can't say, host the benefit concert for a certain cause that's scheduled to happen 8 years from now.

Highbrow means you don't "try" to be the best. You "are" the best. There is nothing to show, nothing to prove. You always say the right things, do the right things, you are elite. You don't wear fancy clothes, you wear the appropriate clothes for a given setting. Poorfags spend thousands on luxury items to impress other poorfags. Richfags spend thousands a day on invisible things like hairstylists and spa treatments. They'll buy a white shirt that costs thousands of dollars, then get a facial that costs thousands of dollars, because they want to hang out in the city with their other richfag friends and poorfag orbiters. 5 dollar cargo shorts or 800 dollar cargo shorts is a manner of preference.

>>20329864
Good post. The only note/amendment I would make is that many/most elites don't actually bother with reading - even the misery-porn non-fiction you reference - in the first place, as their positions are secure enough not to need ammunition in social settings in the first place.

>>20329864
>Elites read books in order to maintain their elite status. They don't read fiction, they read works read by other "elites". Stuff like "How this African kid changed America" or "This Vietnamese dude survived being tortured for 90 days". These types of misery-porn biographical works make for great ammunition in social settings, which are the battlegrounds of the elites. Intellectual works like the western canon are just "for fun", and are only read to make allusions in social settings. "Everyone knows" the western canon, so it's never mentioned, only deconstructed.
I try to tell people this on /lit/ but they don't get it. You read for social capital, you aren't supposed to take it too seriously.

>>20321848
by not trying to follow this meme for one

>>20321866
however...

>>20329864
>Being elite means being the best at things that "actually" matter (etiquette, gatherings, intellectual matters, principles, etc.) while excelling at things that "new money" cannot do. (owning large amounts of land, being friends with other elites, meeting royalty, hosting "old money" events like hunting expeditions, owning rare artifacts, holding a degree from an ivy league school, etc.)
None of these makes you "elite". You're just mashing a bunch of 90's hollywood stereotypes about rich people and use it as as a definition. Beine elite doesn't require millions of dollars or big game parties across the continent.

>>20324999
>magic is real, as is family
Further proof that kikes and WASPs suffer from schizophrenia.

>>20329864
Looks like you've confused old money, the political class, and the upper levels of the bureaucratic class. I suppose they might all appear to be elite from the outside (old money for having the most wealth, the political class for having the most visible power, the bureaucratic class for being at the "top" of the visible hierarchy).

Have you read The Managerial Revolution? Or Tragedy & Hope? It might clear things up for you.

>>20321848
Why does it matter?

>>20322320
anon...

>>20331905
>>20332940
Not the anon you are replying to, but I don't read his post the way that you are. I think his point is not that the elite are the best at any particular thing, but that activities are considered to be high-brow/the best simply because the elite are doing them. Consider the examples of 'elite' activities he gives: owning land and artifacts and being old-money. Neither of those are activities, but they are characteristics of the actual elite. You can't buy your way into being old money, and old money sets the standard for what the 'best' is, at least among the upper-middle/managerial strivers. The old money itself doesn't like things because those things are 'the best' but only because they like the thing. It's the folks looking up at them who then go on about things being 'the best' etc.

>>20324913
This is amazing.
Also, I really can't escape his face, no matter where I go.