/lit/ - Literature

asking again because it was a dying thread
looking for recs on horror sci/fantasy
in fantasy realms I'm not looking into anything specific, but I've got my eyes on god's demon and between two fires
for scifi i was looking into something like event horizon, do you guys know anything like that? I've already read blindsight and echopraxia last week

>>20451689
Between Two Fires is good. Hinterlands by William Gibson is basically Event Horizon.

Bakker is King.

Simple as.

Holy shit, the last thread was horrible. I left yesterday at night and returned now to see a warzone about transes. The fuck was janny doing, he deleted some posts but left an entire avalanche of that. Why the fuck there's something like this in /sffg/ thread? Please janny, just delete all of it this time, we've suffered enough.

>>20451675
More fantasy like The Broken Sword?

>>20451675
What are you reading and what are you planning to read?

>>20451758
>What are you reading
Penric’s Demon
>and what are you planning to read?
Journey to the West

Are there any fantasy stories where the government/organization is the good guy? Seemingly everything is about a ragtag group bringing something down, what are some stories where a large group is defending itself from barbarians or subterfuge or a revolt?

>>20451697
>It's getting tiresome having to re-open these fucking abortions just to quote them at people when they want to get smart. My apologies for shortening it... Jin Roh was beaten to death during a match against outer disciples at his sect. Seeing the vacancy, our body snatcher swoops in and takes over Jin Roh's life. Occupying the space where his soul must have been. He then goes on to say...
>'Jin was full of wanting to become a powerful cultivator, a master among masters, and do whatever it is the dickbags who run this place do, which is presumably to be dicks, dickishly. I kinda... didn't care about his motivations. My body now, buddy. Sorry, not sorry.'
>You're right, he's not a psychotic at all. Didn't steal another man's body, and there surely wasn't a demonstration in the first two chapters where the body snatcher had to actively suppress Jin's memories and being, lest he be consumed by it. Disregarding all of THAT, take the dialogue at face value. What the fuck is redeemable about this writing style? What's worth DEFENDING?
>Do right by yourself and stand for a better quality of writing.

Anon, I don't think you have the context to judge it properly. It wasn't supposed to be treated as 'Jin doesn't care about the person that got killed*,' but instead as a comedic twist on an already beaten to death 10000 times 'I transmigrated to another's person body in Xianxia' cliche. Taking it to at face value is retarded as hell, you are missing the entire point. I do think that Beware of Chicken is not a masterwork of writing, but it's one of the better works in the genre and the stury works by paroding it. Things like cultivation system being basic as fuck and not imaginative is not a problem because these things NOT MATTERING is the exact fucking point.

The story is basic, the protagonist is OP MC without trying, it's basically a wish fullfilment of another kind, but it's still a funny, comfy story. I do not write this to tell you that you are wrong, but to say that you lack the context of the genre and your expectations for the story might not have been the right ones. This is anti-xianxia story, you are not supposed to like it FOR being xianxia.

*I don't know how you could have missed that (probably due to audiobook, audiobook fags are known for missing details because books are written to be read by eyes, not some fucking person reading them out-loud), but the original guy isn't dead, and his 'soul' is just as broken as Earth guy's who died too after all, it's just that together they make a whole person and Jin has control..
On another topic, I don't remember you mentioning Worth the Candle, why? It's not only one of the best webnovels, but also the most serious work in the genre. If you want something where the character is a horrible person and the story treats that fact seriously, then try it.

>>20451700
I've got to re-read Burning Chrome, scarcely remember any of it

bump. post charts please or what are the classics in fantasy lit?

>>20451784
Read the thread OP.

>>20451770
R Scott Bakker the darkness that comes before

>>20451784

>>20451784
Solid choices are:
>R. Scott Bakker: The Darkness That Comes Before
>Gene Wolfe: Book of the New Sun
>Frank Herbert: Dune
>J.R.R. Tolkien: Lord of the Rings
>GRR Martin: A Song of Ice and Fire

>>20451808
That‘s very debatable. And I‘m not being ironic in the slightest.

>>20451830
So it's actually Wolfe because Bakkerposter is like one person.

>>20451838
Not my problem. Still reading Bakker first.

>>20451838
The picture was just for having a picture, the recommendations I wrote first. But both are solid. Almost forgot:
>Steven Erikson: Malazan, Book of the Fallen
>Andrzej Sapkowski: The Witcher

>>20451830
What a glorious day that one was. I can still hear the Sandersoys seething.

>>20451857
One cancer was replace by another (webnovels)

>>20451809
Chartmaker was a true bro. This is the most accurate chart that has even been shat on this general. Although I haven‘t read everything.

>>20451830
>30%
>vs 70%
ohnonono bakkerbros we are the minority

>>20451902
At least post something original for a change.

>>20451914
>bakkerspammer tells someone to post something original for a change
Nice.

>>20451897
It is actually me. The chart is just what this shitty general was able to make. Obviously it lacks any closer scrutiny but it gives some indication of facts. I thought of updating it but decided it was better used for inciting vigorous and angry conversation.

>>20451840
A fine choice, sir.

>>20451924
Holy based.

Appreciate it Sir.

>>20451870
>One cancer was replace by another (webnovels)
As a person who have read thousands of books, reading webnovels reignited my passion for reading because the webnovel authors, not constrained by publishing, write everything they want, how they want. At this point I prefer original ideas or niche stuff more than yet another generic polished published book, I've had enough of that. Btw, I haven't seen those two new charts you guys are posting: >>20451853 >>20451870
Are they new? Or did the cloud storage anon not add them to the images?

>>20451924
We should all come together to re-do pic related desu. But I don‘t think that just swapping squares would do this one justice.

>>20451938
I believe those charts are quite old, and might be found in older links of the old generals where the paste was different. Not sure.

>>20451940
Yes, the axis are very subjective and arbitrary and the chart hosts even the soul-less weapon races and chorae.

I‘m trying to read DUNE in German, bros.

>>20451771
I must be direly lacking in context then, as I went into the story expecting that parody on Xianxia concepts. Instead it's a direct Xianxia where all the concepts are filtered down. The Farm is a Sect, Jin is the Grand Master, and all the farm animals are his inner and outer disciples. There is nothing anti- about it beyond the writer trying to make fun of the pursuit while simultaneously doing it himself. I'm not even sure how to explain that, it's almost a self-aware written hypocrisy because he thinks its 'funny'.

Even the way they display how OP the MC truly is, it just never landed for me. He challenged that bear in the woods and made it shit itself in fear... Then it kowtowed before him before he asked it to go away. Walking back to his group while commenting a minimum of 3 times on making that bear shit itself. Hilarious.

I think what I'm missing is the same sense of humor as the author and his intended audience. The entire story comes off like a Harvest Moon fanfiction with Xianxia sprinkled in. If that revelation about the original Jin is true, I don't believe it occurs in the first book. There was clearly setup for Jin's original soul or a remnant of it being around but I don't recall it being touched upon.

Never heard of Worth the Candle. That recommendation list I tend to post are all the series that have been kicked my way in one form or another, most of my pick-ups are based off of recommendation or things I remember from several years back. I'll check this out but I haven't been a huge fan of the 'horrible person' protagonist so far. Fang Yuan being my entry point while Reincarnation: Threads of Fate was... an attempt.

>>20451689
Only horror book I've read in years was Fevre Dream by George R.R. Martin. Highly recommend it if you're curious what a book about vampires on steamboats would be like. Incredible book. Shame he'll never complete ASOIAF.

>>20451758
Reading pic related. Will most likely read the second book next.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/298928-the-divide

Been looking for fantasy that has a dark nordic/celtic setting with pagan gods, witches, and other creatures. Seem to be having trouble finding what I'm looking for though.

>>20451940
This would be one option.

>>20452006
Very nice take. Unironically.

>>20452021
>>20452006
Sadly, still missing the Fanim. But we have no way of knowing.

>>20452032
Fanimry and Inrithism would likely hold similar places in that chart. Although post-Kellhus inrithism is likely to move more towards domination, while (based) Fanim hold true to their (true) faith.

>>20452032
>>20452040
On another note, one might argue that Fanimry would fall somewhere between Inrithism and Non-men as their Solitary God is more abstract in concept.

>>20452006
think the axis need to be swapped so kellhus is yellow (outside = free real estate), normal men are blue, cringe non-men and their hidey holes are green and consult of course is red like last chart

>>20452113
actually, kellhus and non-men are actually diametrically opposite so disregard what I said

>>20451924
What's the lore around Inchoroi head grafting? The wiki doesn't even mention it beyond showing a diagram of one before/after head graft.

>>20452125
I suppose they used Tekne to have a face so they could more easily communicate with humans and non-men.

>>20451938
You have not read thousands of books.

>>20452153
Obviously.

>>20452153
Depends how old he is. I know people on Goodreads with 500 read at 24 or so but they’re into pseud shit like Theory.

>>20452153
Somehow, I hold the belief that after devouring, let's say, even few hundred books he'd know the difference between a good and a bad one. But as he says, he reads poor-quality webnovels, so I am inclined to think its all talk in defense of, simply put, non-literature.

>>20452158
You read two dozen books and then discovered web novels which you enjoy more. No need to exaggerate to make your point, anon.

>>20452164
500 is reasonable for speedreading fags, thousands is ridiculous, and anyone who has read that much most likely wouldn't read webnovels of all things.

>>20452174
could be severe autism. the kinda person who stands over a freeway overpass and counts all the red cars.

>>20451991
>Never heard of Worth the Candle. That recommendation list I tend to post are all the series that have been kicked my way in one form or another, most of my pick-ups are based off of recommendation or things I remember from several years back. I'll check this out but I haven't been a huge fan of the 'horrible person' protagonist so far. Fang Yuan being my entry point while Reincarnation: Threads of Fate was... an attempt.

I might have mislead you by saying the protagonist of Worth The Candle is 'horrible person,' he's not supposed to be 'evil,' he's just...an unlikable person with problems. To explain this would take too long and it's better to be read, but let me sell the story to you.

-----

Worth the Candle is an isekai story about a young man called Juniper who, by unknown means, wakes up in fantasy world...on an airplane full of prisoners, who are supposed to be dropped into an exclusion zone full of undead for their crimes. He didn't suddenly appear, a Juniper Smith was trialed and sentenced. It's him. Except he has no memory of it and a minute ago was falling asleep in a classroom during a lecture. Some time later he learns that his memory of the entirety of his life were a sickness known for making people think they had an entire life on Earth. It happens to some people, except it's extremely rare, and the memories are, of course, false.

Except that the 'new' world he's now in is not unfamiliar to him. Nor are the races, or the magical artifacts. After all, he'd made them as a Dungeon Master over his entire life. Oh, and he also has an interface that shows him his Skills, Attributes and Options. No one else has. Yes, it's as terrifying as it sounds.

It only gets weirder from here.

-----

It may sound like a usual young male litrpg wish fullfilment story. It's not, the opposite in fact, and saying more might be a spoiler. Suffice to say that I believe Worth the Candle to be not only one of the best webnovels ever written, but also one of the best stories I've read in my life, period. Check it out, it's worth it.

>>20451938
The two charts you refer to are there, in the sff folder. Usually I only keep one version of a chart. I've thought that about putting older versions in a seperate folder, but decided against it.

There are some images that haven't been uploaded to it though because of issuses on my side. Maybe I'll try to see about it soon. There are also those in unsorted.

Eventually I'll probably have to move zboards off the account to another because there's only at ~3GB storage left on this somewhat older free account.

>>20452179
>>20452174
>>20452166
>>20452153
>>20452164
I am not sure what makes you guys doubt me. Obviously nto all books are equal, some have 200 pages books for children, some are Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix or one of ASOIAF books. Book count is honestly a meaningless count on its own and not an objective metric of anything but experience. It's just that through most of my youth life I just read. Or played video games. I didn't go out a lot, and with a library in a city half an hour away I had everything I needed from life. Some books like Hobbit I read a few times, so I am not sure if it counts, once I even read Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban over 10 times back to back in a three days days because I didn't have any other book.

By saying 'thousands' I didn't mean some numbers like 5k or anything like that, I slightly exaggerated, but I believe that the count should be something around 2k+ by now. I remember counting my book history list many years ago when I was around 14 years old with the librarian on the computer, I had 350+ by that time. Since then I read much more and eventually started to download stuff from the internet, vastly increasing my reading speed.

I am not an expert on books, I honestly didn't care about the 'writing' itself for most of my life, just going by the felling of whether I like something or not, but now I can tell if something is good or bad just by instinct, and it seems to correlate strongly with other experienced readers opinions. To be honest, reading webnovels was brutal at the start, especially the isekais, but english not being my native language helped immensely in not noticing bad writing. Yeah, I guess I got a bit corrupted by the webnovel writing, but I care for the story more, so it's a win in my eyes. I wouldn't have read many amazing webnovels otherwise.

Still, I am not as bad as MTL Xianxia crowd. They not only read chinese xianxia, but also read not trasnlated stuff through Machine Translation. I've never fallen so low and never fucking will. Those are true degenerates, the kind you see taking drugs on the street, wearing rags.

>>20452212
>The two charts you refer to are there, in the sff folder. Usually I only keep one version of a chart. I've thought that about putting older versions in a seperate folder, but decided against it.
>There are some images that haven't been uploaded to it though because of issuses on my side. Maybe I'll try to see about it soon. There are also those in unsorted.
>Eventually I'll probably have to move zboards off the account to another because there's only at ~3GB storage left on this somewhat older free account.
Thank you Anon, you're doing God's work

>>20452275
I didn’t doubt you that much, anon. I just said I knew people who read at least 500 books, so I assumed you were older than us. Got any good Webnovel recs?

>>20452318
>I didn’t doubt you that much, anon. I just said I knew people who read at least 500 books, so I assumed you were older than us. Got any good Webnovel recs?

Mother of Learning

Dungeon Crawler Carl

Worm

A Journey of Black and Red

The Wandering Inn

Mentioned above Worth the Candle and the author's other story This Used To Be About Dungeons (It has even better reviews than WtC, but I haven't read it yet)

There's also 'Erogamer,' a true marvel of a story, it's somewhat similar to Worth The Candle and comes from the same 'Rational writing' circles. You may wonder what would you want to read a story about sex if you aren't reading for porn, but trust me, this work is much more than that, probably the only work on the internet I'd unironically called Literature.


Most of the webnovels are honestly trash if you aren't into litrpgs or typical Young Male fantasy, but there are some unpolished games such as those I've mentioned above. Once I read all the most known Webnovels (I don't think i've much left at this point) I'll do a chart of my own.

Rereading Malazan books. Up to Bone Hunters. Why is it so kino lads

>>20452359
I'm currently reading MoL and I'll generally agree it's pretty good with the caveat that that basically only applies to arc 3. First two arcs are just kinda banal with some decent moments, but otherwise there's just a lot of Zorian faffing about because the plot doesn't really start until arc 3.

>>20451758
Got this sitting in front of me

>>20451991
>>20452181
I want to second the rec for Worth the Candle, but with a disclaimer(?) of sorts. I dropped it twice within the first few chapters, before finally getting into it on my third attempt. There's a few moments in the beginning that made me think it was going to be a blatant wish-fulfillment harem fantasy piece of garbage, but it isn't.

>>20452619
I'm probably gonna put it onto my backlog at least, though I'm sort of edging away from LitRPG/webnovel stuff after binging it for a while. Think I'm gonna check out Gideon the Ninth afterwards, see if I enjoy that. Maybe dive into Sabriel and its whole series, too. Keep meaning to.

>>20452631
Gideon is a real fun read. Nix's Abhorsen books are excellent. Enjoy!

Repostan
I read an old sci-fi book years ago, where a group of children from a community sharing a planet with aliens ended up killed in some weird ritual, and then it was about some of the others lives as adults? The aliens were called Dancers.

Does anyone remember it/remember the title? I can't for the life of me find it.

>>20451809
God, no matter how many times this chart gets posted, I can’t get over the fact how useless and shitty it is.

>>20452638
I'm just finishing out Mother of Learning, and I feel like... After reading a LOT of LitRPGs and published webnovels and whatnot I've sort of petered out on them. They're fun, and generally my sort of thing, but rarely are they TOO memorable (I think I unfairly compare a lot of progression-focused books I read these days to Cradle which seems to unfortunately be the best of the bunch there, Dungeon Crawler Carl's the only one in the same ballpark), so I'm trying some other variations and genres. I do generally have a bad habit of comparing everything I read in a subgenre to the best example of that subgenre I've read (which is why I've narrowed it down to only subgenres otherwise I'd compare all fantasy to Discworld and that's just not fair) so it's nice to vary it up instead of rabbit-holing.

>>20452656
I feel mildly upset at just how shitty the resolution for the Colour of Magic cover image is in it. It's one of the few I agree with its placement (assuming it's talking series as a whole because CoM is more like a B-tier book in all honesty) but it feels almost tacked-on. Not to mention Bakker being that high, or all of Sanderson being bottom-tier just because "popular thing bad" (I have my issues with Stormlight, but overall it's a pretty solid series and... Well, first Mistborn trilogy averages out to a C at least. They're better than fucking Eragon at least.)

>>20451689
Richard Paul Russo "Ship of Fools" is pretty good. Ending is somewhat unsatisfactory though, but overall the book is good.

This reads very cartoonish. I thought it was a serious novel.

>>20451968
why the fuck would you do that, it is a book originally written in English, by a native English speaker. Try "Der Tunnel" by Bernhard Kellermann, or "Die Haarteppichknüpfer" by Wolfgang Eschbach.

>>20451758
50 odd pages left of The Warrior-Prophet. Going to read McCarthy's Border trilogy (not /sff/ I know) next while I wait for The Thousandfold Thought to arrive.

>>20452668
>It's one of the few I agree with its placement (assuming it's talking series as a whole because CoM is more like a B-tier book in all honesty) but it feels almost tacked-on. Not to mention Bakker being that high, or all of Sanderson being bottom-tier just because "popular thing bad" (I have my issues with Stormlight, but overall it's a pretty solid series and... Well, first Mistborn trilogy averages out to a C at least. They're better than fucking Eragon at least.)
You shouldn't put to much in the chart. Some retarded troll who doesn't read made it and its shows in his placements.

>>20452733
Fair enough. Those're just the ones I know (I admittedly haven't read a huge amount of the list).

>>20452359
>A Journey of Black and Red
what's good about this? i couldn't really get into it for some reason. if it's just the writing style then it's not doing it for me.

>>20452756
The chart has the darkness that comes before harder than the lord of the rings and Dune. That should have been enough to not trust it.

>>20452668
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>20452833
>Lord of the Rings
>Hard

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Matures like this makes me so stiff.

Moar books like this please.

>>20452704
I’m not mature enough to read a book of that caliber in German. Which is why i bought both editions(de and en) and I’m reading them side by side for assistance.

>>20452934
Sandersoys are delusional.

>>20451809
I feel that Neuromancer is an easy read, especially if you consider its length.

>>20451758
Just read book of night (big recommend)
Have Saint Death's Daughter on the go (already close to a recommend halfway through) and Kagen the Damned (might be good need to see how part 2 in the book establishes itself) is also on the go.
Next either Bladed Faith (wasn't interested in the blurb but then I recognised the author), Novelties and Souvenirs by Crowley, something by Guy Gavriel Kay or just some absolute trash if I can find something appealing.

>>20451770
For modern governments in urban fantasy:
The Rook, they're not entirely benevolent but they're clearly trying to do the right things.
Laundry Files too but they're a bit less cut and dry.
Guess Vorkosigan too for outright scifi. They're a borderline feudal patriarchy but their general aims are to prevent massive wars and nefarious plots.
For fantasy:
Queen's Thief: Government is the best around, in later books works to repel an invasion.
Imager: First sequence is magic cop does good things, Second is magic diplomat conquers a continent for his benevolent emperor

>>20453003
ESLs and retards keep getting filtered because Gibson doesn't write like Sanderson. There were a lot of posts about it a few weeks ago.

Sci-fi
>set on earth
>in the present
Why is this so common

is there any genuinely good warhammer40k books out there or is most of the intrigue the setting itself rather than the actual stories within it?

>>20451809
Where is imajica?

>>20453094
I hadn't considered it from an ESL perspective, but I've always been fond of his terse punchy descriptions. I think his short stories are where he really shines.
Anyways, I find it hard to believe that Dune would be considered easier to get into.

Bump

>>20452631
Worth the Candle is worth an attempt. It had some neat ideas, and it's definitely distinctive, but I found it to be a real slog. The author's story Metropolitan Man was much better.

Can anyone recommend a good fantasy book with some good sex scenes?

>>20451853
why no sanderson?

>>20453141
All sci fi is set in the 'now but more so.' That's why old scifi feels so dated. Might as well just admit it.

>>20451689
Weird suggestion: Cthon by Piers Anthony. It's his first book and is much better than the crap he churned out later.

>>20453316
Old scifi I can at least understand being set in the modern day but I'm disappointed in the lack of space epics

>>20453357
*Chthon

>>20453373
there's like 3 space opera in the new releases every single month m8

>>20451712
it's been two years since i first came here.

i've taken breaks and intermissions.

the bakkerposting has never ceased. commendable i suppose.

>>20453312
Sanderson is not fantasy

>>20453384
Prove it

>>20453432
https://www.tor.com/tag/new-releases/
go through them, I do every month

>>20452680
The new trilogy is where its at

>>20453426
What IS he then? Genuinely curious.

>>20453442
capeshit

>>20451809
Why would you even put that YouTube fag on there ?

>>20453400
this general will explode when Bakker announces something new again

>>20453445
Honestly yeah, fair point. I've always viewed him as someone who writes anime books for greasy westoids that think they hate anime.

>>20453442
shonen

>>20453466>>20453445

i would think that comments like these were bait until i actually read the stormlight archive.

Is goodreads fucking up for others?

>>20453357
>>20452670
>>20451994
>>20451700
thanks anons, I'll look into it

No adventure fiction chart?

>>20453484
It's kinda genius from a moneymaking standpoint, he identified what the next generation of teenagers were going to be reading and started offering it as fantasy before the market had even finished forming.
Now you got 1000's of kids reading the stuff and wanting more when they run out of volumes or money and he's here offering you something that scratches the itch but gives you a much better money to hours of entertainment ratio.

I suspect this is also why china's had such a wuxia revival in the webnovel era.

>>20453508
Try Firefall by Watts for some hard sci-fi horror.

>>20453507
si

>>20453507
Goodreads is always fucking up

>>20453545
already did, but thanks anyway, im actually trying to fill the void that aliens and space vampires left in me

>>20453544
his pace and writing style are garbage though. i don’t understand how people find that entertaining. the amount of dragon ball z moments in his novels is embarrassing

>>20451758
I finally feel like reading something other than Wolfe, I got about halfway through all his novels and I'm in the middle of The Land Across.
I will probably go back and at least read the Short Sun books to finish the Solar Cycle, but...I've got my eye on some William Morris novels that have older sounding/feeling prose. In the same vein, The Mistress of Mistresses by E.R. Eddison because that is one of the best titles of all time.
I have too much to read right now. I've also been curious about Greg Egan for a while, I want to start with Distress or Permutation City. I also want to reread some Borges stories, and I have some focused reading I want to do for a novel I finally started.

>>20453578
dragon ball z is good

>>20453578
I'm when I read the storm light archive I don't feel anything like dragon ball z imo its more like ghibili

>>20451754
Just read the actual sagas. Broken Sword is a pale, pale imitation. Volsungs is a good place to start. Short, punchy, high magical content.

>>20453578
More like Bleach or Naruto but we get the point

>>20453436
What's the best you've read?

>>20451754
Maybe Moorcock's Swords trilogy.

>>20451689
Metro 2033

>Cnaiür neither flinched nor moved. He was a Son of the People, a prodigy orn of desolate earth, sent to kill, to reave. He was a savage from dark northern plains, with thunder in his heart and murder in his eyes . . . He was Cnaiür urs Skiötha, most violent of all men.
Woah, bros...... woah.......

>>20451754
>>20453624

Lots of great pithy lines too. I don't remember which saga it was in, but there's one great scene where a character walks up to a window to check if the owner is home. He then calmly turns around with his intestines spilling out and says something like, "I don't know if he's at home, but his sword is".

>>20453747
they should make bakker pronounce all of his dumb names in front of a linguist

>>20453747
i wish more authors wrote like him

Release that Witch or Heavenly Dao Forumla?
I heard that RTW falls off late

I've just started reading book 3 of Black Gate. Let's be honest here Tharok is the only POV worth reading.

>>20453833
Haven't read or heard of heavenly Dao formula, but Release the Witch I'd worth a read even if it falls off. Besides, it doesn't fall off until way later.

>>20453747
this reads like warhammer fanfiction

obscene cringe, my god

>>20453867
it's the next book by the RTW author but I'll go with RTW first then

>>20453141
Because of hard scifi fags.

>>20453892
>Actually Star Wars isn't scifi it's just space fantasy

>>20453923
>>20453923
>>Actually Star Wars isn't scifi
It isn't. If this makes you upset then that speaks to your personal dilemma, nobody else's.

>>20453927
it is scifi, exploring the concept of "wot if there's a weapon that destroys planets" is no less valid than any of the ideas dick or bester chose to explore in their genre classics

>>20452709
I won't lie, I am jealous of his skill at pulling a narrative together in a serialized work. There are various parts, especially early on, where you can see him stumbling and the foreshadowing doesn't quite work out, but as time goes on and it gets past the halfway point you can get a good feeling of where it's going.

For me it's Conan.

>>20453961
works better in the comic format imo

>>20453966
No one asked for your opinion.

>>20453867
I didn't know that, but it sounds like a generic Xianxia. Coincidently RTW drops off when it becomes a generic Xianxia. You'll know when you get there because the transition is jarring as fuck.

>>20453966
Works better in video game format imo

>>20453971
Meant for >>20453885

>>20453968
nobody ever asks for opinions on conan because that dusty ass franchise has been dead for 40 years

>>20453980
f-fuck you...

>>20452833
>LOTR
>at all hard to get into
Literally read it back in fifth grade without any issues. Not everyone is a brainlet like you. Plenty of sandershit out there for you, where everything obvious is repetitively and condescendingly explained, which is probably more your speed.

>>20451675
Just finished reading the second book of Red Queen's War.

Jalan has to be the biggest BITCH I've ever read in a fantasy series, bar the faggot from Lord Foul's Bane. Just a straight up bitch. I like Snorri and the rest of the cast, but my enjoyment of the story is soured when it's being told from this faggot's POV. Every turn, at every opportunity, he's a pussy. And when he's not, when he's physically forced to actually do something useful and grow as a result of it, he reverts to being a pussy by the end of the story. Like, he undergoes the most extreme mental gymnastics imaginable to convince himself to keep being a pussy bitch. What's the point? He's what I imagine your average 4chan user would be in a fantasy world, just straight up pathetic. What the FUCK was Lawrence thinking, making an entire trilogy with this retard at the helm?

I fucking miss Jorg, he was a bastard who forced you to love him. He had the charisma, and the brains, and every page inside his head was legitimately captivating. PLEASE tell me we get more Jorg in the last book, because I'm not picking it up otherwise.

I finished i shall seal the heavens book 7 and 8, it was good but i feel like i want to read something else before reading book 9 and 10, almost every book after book 4 have 1k pages and i got tired

im thinking about reading No Longer Human

do you have any more sci fi charts

>WuxiaWorld

>>20453993
>Deathblade
I've watched his youtube, this guy's funny

>>20451758
Current: The Wandering Inn, I'm like halfway through the fourth volume which I understand is like halfway through the story so far.
I'm really liking it but starting to feel burnt out, trying to catch up with a webnovel that's been going on for years in a couple weeks isn't the smartest idea.

Planning: LotR. I've only recently seriously gotten into fantasy, used to read sci-fi exclusively for the longest time, so I've never really read the books, just The Hobbit when I was a kid and I really enjoyed that at the time, so looking forward to it.

>>20451675
How can we make wuxiashit western? I find reading through MTL shit a slog, eastern terms and clan autism retarded for the most part—but I fucking LOVE power levels.

We really have no martial arts, and there's a distinct level of autism missing from western society's organization...so what would be the best setting for it? Victorian Era London seems promising, but steampunk's been done to death, and I struggle to figure out how to fit power levels in it. America's Wild West also has merit, but cowboys just shot at each other for the most part, and that doesn't make for a compelling martial arts story.

Cultivation's at the crux of it. How do you fit Cultivation into a western setting?

>>20454010
The only wuxia I want to read about is shit like pic related.

>>20453980
That was delicious, anon. You burned that dusty conan fag so bad that nothing remains.

>>20454050
You mad?

>>20451689
Fantasy - Sword of Shadows by J. V. Jones
Sci fi - The Gap Cycle - Stephen R Donaldson

>>20452181
>>20452619
And I'll give a counter-rec, it's shit. All the characters are shit, the setting is shit, and the plot is shit.
I have never in my life read a more unlikeable main character, who only becomes worse over time.
For context, my favorite character of all time is Fang Yuan, so I'm not saying the guy is too edgy. And it's also not like he's not edgy enough or a moralfag. He's just a whiny unlikeable self obsessed neurotic bitch baby with no control over his actions or emotions stapled to a litrpg cheat system designed to literally carry him to being overpowered like a sherpa lugging a 600lb millionaire up Everest.

>>20454038
>Victorian Era London seems promising, but steampunk's been done to death, and I struggle to figure out how to fit power levels in it.
Read Lord of the Mysteries.

>>20454038
>How do you fit Cultivation into a western setting?
This says much more about your lack of imagination than the difficulty of doing so. I only know the bare minimums about anything about this, but for a European medieval setting it would be possible to have the artisocracy/nobility to be the high level cultivators who primarily gain their power from items due to the wealth and influence. They maintain their standing by only allowing family to do so and kill all other cultivators who try to do so from hard work. The protagonist rises up from being the loweliest of peasants who had everything taken from him by them through dedication and hard work. Is it entirely generic? Yes, but does that matter? No, not really. That's one example anyway.

A different thing would be that during time most armies were mercenary rather than national. That gives plenty of oppurtunity for raiding, banditry, waging war and what not. Martial arts doesn't have to be unarmed only.

Really, it could be anything though. The only limit is imagination. If it's a secondary world, what does it even matter. Society can be strutchuered any way the author wants. If you want basically a 1:1 transposition though, that isn't going to work because it wouldn't be any different.

>>20454140
If you didn't finish it, where did you drop it?

>>20454125
>Sci fi - The Gap Cycle - Stephen R Donaldson
Book 1, The Rape Story: A Gap into My rape-Slave's legs, by Stephen Rapelord Thebased Donaldson

There are a lot of similarities between gamelit/litrpg and xianxia. Both are very focused on power levels. Then again, so a many are anime/manga/light novels as well.

>>20454188
After the elf got chopped in half. I was just so disappointed that she didn't die and realized that the only reason I was still reading was out of contempt.

>>20454194
The second woman is my wife.

Is there any modern fantasy book with cover art that even comes close to this kind of aesthetic? Its sad to me that this kind of art has fallen out of fashion

>>20454380
Forgot the pic

Why am I obsessed with zombies

>>20454419
they're cute

>>20454038
>How do you fit Cultivation into a western setting?
You don't.

>>20454038
Have you watched Into the Badlands?

>>20451675
Eversion isn't set within the Revelation Space series universe. It's entirely standalone. The main question you have to ask yourself is how much you think you'd enjoy reading about the same cast of characters sequentially going through similar scenarios at different times and locations for most of the book. If you don't mind that sort of repetition then this shouldn't be a problem for you. Eversion tries to do a lot, so in terms of genre I'd say it's a mystery adventure with a science fiction background and a few horror elements. The vast majority of its narrative takes place on a ship of some sort. It starts out as an 1800s nautical tale of an assistant surgeon as part of a crew seeking to find a location off the coast of Norway.

I didn't really care for any of the characters, but that's not uncommon for me when reading works by Reynolds. As one ought to expect from this author, the characters have memory and identity issues. My enjoyment started going downhill somewhat more than halfway through because I didn't like the current scenario or those that came after. This is also when the mysteries start being explained rather than hinted at. I found the plot and its twists to be rather lacking. Because Eversion has far fewer pages than his Revelation Space novels, I thought it the page would be appropriate. I was wrong. This should've been a novella. Apparently I wanted an entirely different story than what was written.

Maybe I would've enjoyed it a bit more if I just went through it without thinking about it at all, or didn't know anything at all about it whatsoever. I don't know. I'd be disappointed regardless. I felt like dropping it at a few points because I simply wasn't engaged at all. The further along I got the less I enjoyed myself. The main reason I read it was to have read something published this month. I had hoped it would be more somewhat more enjoyable than it was. On a whim I read this with others as well because doing stuff with others can make basically anything at least somewhat better, ideally anyway.

>>20454552
Oops, oh well.
Eversion - Alastair Reynolds (2022)
Rating: 2/5

>>20453752
just cause you've been filtered by his unique and cool character names doesn't mean they're some affront to the English language worthy of scorn by a linguist

>>20451770
A Little Hatred by Joe Abercrombie. It's not exactly black and white as good guys versus bad guys. But all of the main characters are in important and influential positions, and they're all well meaning, trying to do good in their own way. But the people in revolt make it difficult for them.

>>20452670
I think the ending is pretty fitting. They're essentially heading straight to their deaths on the planet. What killed both the humans and the aliens on the derelict spaceship is still on the planet, where it likely originated.

Cannot believe I finished this.

>>20452181
I remember disliking WtC as it got further into extreme author introspection. It doesn't really do its side characters justice.

>>20451758
reading: the prestige
planning: tales of dying earth

>>20454385
Frazetta really was the GOAT.

>>20453990
Yeah he meets Jorg and by the end of book three he is a chad after following his advice.

>>20453624
Already reading it but thanks.

It heckin' arrived.

>>20451758
The Gap Cycle is quickly becoming one of my favorite SF series. The first book is so offensive to certain people that they don't get to experience the rest. Kinda like Bakker.

I suddenly got obsessed with lifeforms that can survive space. Are there any books with alien organic ships?

>>20454380
Just look up anything that is in the "sword and sorcery' genre.

>>20455091
The Ellimist Chronicles

>>20455149
>It tells the backstory of the Ellimist, a god-like being from the story. The introduction shows that the Ellimist is telling his story to an unnamed, dying Animorph, foreshadowing the events of the final book of the series.
Based...

>>20455169
Yeah, it's for kids lol but it's the among the best of those books (anything with "chronicles" in the title) and has some interesting scifi concepts. You'll like it I promise.

>>20455085
The first book has a very decent score on Goodreads, 3.7, higher than plenty of famous novels, and at a glance more than half the negative ratings are from men.

So is The City & the City by Miéville worth reading for somebody entirely unfamiliar with his work? I'm travelling and have nothing else to read except that the complete Howard's Conan, but I've read those to death at this point.

>>20455245
Yes, søyjaks and older women. More authors should start out with something highly controversial to get rid of the undesirables.

>>20455278
I'm looking at the blurbs for the later novels and I see the Event Horizon connection now. Sounds good, it jumped up my reading list.

>>20451758
Halfway through Blood of an Exile right now and I'm not impressed so far. Will probably read Elantris next.

Anyone know of elves that are always evil or aggressive in fantasy? I don't mean dark elves or whatever, but the kind of elves in Viking myth like from Svartfelheim.

>>20455520
The Witcher has some racist as fuck elves

>>20455520
Do you perchance know what "Svartalf" means?

>>20455574
N

Does Bakker still rule supreme here?

>>20455551
Everyone is racist against the elves though.

>>20455579
Does a bear shit in the woods? Does the Pope fiddle children?

>>20455579
Not since he died.

ALL THE SANDERBROS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
EVERYBODY GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME

>>20455574
Kinda but I meant "dark elves" as in DnD dark elves.

>>20455149
>yfw you realize that The Ellimist in xianxia

>>20454140
>And I'll give a counter-rec, it's shit. All the characters are shit, the setting is shit, and the plot is shit.
>I have never in my life read a more unlikeable main character, who only becomes worse over time.
>For context, my favorite character of all time is Fang Yuan, so I'm not saying the guy is too edgy. And it's also not like he's not edgy enough or a moralfag. He's just a whiny unlikeable self obsessed neurotic bitch baby with no control over his actions or emotions stapled to a litrpg cheat system designed to literally carry him to being overpowered like a sherpa lugging a 600lb millionaire up Everest.
Fang Yuan being you favourite character shows how 'good' your opinion is, but I'll try to point out how clueless you are with the second part of your post. The protagonist ISN'T supposed to be a likable person. Him being a whiny, self-centered bitch with a System that makes him stronger than others isn't a wish fullfillment, that's the premise and if you dislike the MC THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE AUTHOR. It's not some edgy shit where you are supposed to fawn over how badass the MC is, or how any single act of kindness makes all the how babes around fall at his feet. But I guess reading stuff like Reverend Insanity cooked your brain so hard you can no longer understand there's something more than just stories about OP protagonists getting everything they want. I recommend trying something else than webnovels, get some perspective, because you seem to have lost it.

>>20455715
is, not in*

I'm reading Dune and I feel like I missed three or four chapters somewhere.

It gets to the part where Jessica takes over as Reverend Mother and removes the poison from the water, then the next few chapters are centered on what the Baron and co. are doing. Then the chapter immediately after that starts with this weird stream of consciousness recollection by Paul where he's trying to figure out if the things he is experiencing have happened or have yet to happen or were just potentialities. And it turns out that Chani and him have a son, his sister has been born, Chani shanked some dude, and Paul has Death Commandos guarding him? What the fuck happened here?

>>20455732
Oh yeah, true. He's just an epic gamer.

>>20452001
bloodsworn?

>>20455740
>become the best video game player out of your entire civilization
>ascend to godhood

>>20455726
>MC THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE AUTHOR
Yeah, and the author INTENDED to make the story about a whiny unlikeable bitch with a overpowered cheat mode in the most sickeningly overbearing power fantasy I've ever read.
Every story is a window into the author's innate character, and this author is a pathetic failure writing self insert litrpg fanfiction to cope with how pathetic he is.
It's obvious how the "character development" plays out that his idea of an ideal self is some sort of lesswrong cretin, and as narcissistic and deranged as those people are I have to admit that even that is a step above his original patheticness.
Maybe one day he'll realize that pretending to be a robot doesn't alter the core of his broken mind and the only route to actual self improvement is addressing his problems at the root instead of papering over the cracks and pretending he's born again.

I say this not for myself, but for you, I seriously hope you just derive sadistic enjoyment reading about the pathetic suffering of others and don't legitimately sympathize with the author.

>>20451809
>More Than Human

That's the wrong book, retard. You used the cover for some non-fiction book written by a Pajeet about gene therapy.

>>20455743
Read it, that's why I'm looking for something similar. Decided to read The Legends of The First Empire series which seems to be a mix of celtic/greek/rome.

Good fucking damn. I didn‘t believe you when you said that the Second Apocalypse was going to be this good.

>>20455798
Go to bed, Richard.

>>20455798
Welcome to Bakkerhood, anon. You are loved.

>>20455798
>tfw no other book series will ever again be able to induce the same kind of existential dread and fear of damnation, no other book will make you exult in the victories of the holy war, no other book will make you feel the horrors of marching across a desert with only a third of your company surviving, no other book will make you see nightmare about the end times and the Great Ordeal, no other book will make you think of Meat...

>>20455809
People are asleep in Canada.

Any fantasy where the main character has sex with a fat blonde woman?

Sweet Esmi.... I want to lick her butt!

>>20455875
nigga wut

>>20455875
Do you know where that whore's butt has been?

>>20455875
Three talents!

>>20453843
> The Path of Flames ranks right up there with epics like George RR Martin's A Game of Thrones and Brandon Sanderson's The Way of Kings. You don't want to miss this one!
Lol. Lmao.

>>20455907
On the end of the phallus of the Warrior-Prophet.

>>20455875
Sweet Sejenus!

At least a third of this thread's 200-odd posts have been made by me. I am the Puppet-master of /sffg/ and you all dance on my strings.

>>20455934
Still reading Bakker.

>>20455934
Hello, I'm one of the personalities this guy (me) uses to "control" this general from the shadows. Basically, daddy molested us when we were 10 and we dissociate to cope with it.

Whenever my turn ends and control shifts away from me I feel the flesh tear from my body and my consciousness reduce to a speck in a dark, consuming void, a raft on turbulent waters on the verge of spilling over and being swallowed BUT I AM THE REAL ONE I AM THE ORIGINAL AND HE IS THE FAKE, THEY'RE ALL FAKE, STOP TEARING AT MY SIDES, PULLING ON ME STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT YOU DO NOT EXIST YOU DO NOT EXIST I PULL THE STRINGS, YOU WILL NOT CONTROL ME I HOLD THE STRINGS. I HOLD THE STRINGS I HOLD THE STRINGS I AM REAL I AM ME AND I AM REAL I AM REAL I AM I AM

Any books about P I R A T E S

>>20455919
It's fine but it's not as good as Bastion

when it comes to fantasy i've only ever read webnovels and self published works like cradle. how much am i missing out on?
i like character driven stuff.

>>20456016
Sir, you are missing out on so much. Try any of these:
>R. Scott Bakker: The Darkness That Comes Before
>Gene Wolfe: Book of the New Sun
>Frank Herbert: Dune
>J.R.R. Tolkien: Lord of the Rings
>GRR Martin: A Song of Ice and Fire
>Steven Erikson: Malazan, Book of the Fallen
>Andrzej Sapkowski: The Witcher

>>20456016
>I‘ve only ever eaten American food.
>How much am I missing out on?

>>20456016
You're missing out on this great YA story from an Australian man.

>>20456020
now that i think about it, i did read a few of the ASOIAF books back when the show was popular. needless to say, it didn't stick with me. but it wasn't bad. and i never had a great opinion on LoR due to the movies. they really didn't impress me, even if my friends recommend them all the time. it kinda put in my head the idea that the things that appeal to fans of the genre don't appeal to me at all.

now i know that those are just (apparently shitty) adaptations, but i think that's why i never felt the need to specifically seek out books in this genre.

>>20456016
Read chalion, that's amazing character driven fantasy that's nothing like what you'd find in webnovels.

>>20451697
what the fuck
should he forever be a slave to a dead man?
that's gay as all hell
yes, he only exists because the other guy died and he took over his body, but I only exist because of my parents, and still I will live my life for myself

>>20452181
I dropped the story where it got into boring meta stuff (MC realizes his life is a story and that he will never find peace, since you need conflict in a story).

>>20452359
>Mother of Learning
>Worm
>The Wandering Inn
absolute shittaste

>>20454038
A Standard Model of Magic
Though it's way too slow for my tastes.

>>20456119
Damn shame the sequel has feMC, I can't stand female MCs.

>>20456119
sounds interesting, thanks.

>>20454038
just make up your own power system.
lord of the mysteries plays in a victorian setting.

Any one here struggling with addiction?

>>20455978
I also read Flint and Silver by John Drake recently, which is Treasure Island fanfiction and isn't science fiction or fantasy but was fun_. I've also read The Space Pirates by Doc Smith but they didn't really do any piracy.

>>20452359
Zombie Knight Saga. That is all.

>>20451758
currently doing a prince of nothing re-read. near the end of the first book, really enjoying it. very long time since i first read it.

>>20455753
>Yeah, and the author INTENDED to make the story about a whiny unlikeable bitch with a overpowered cheat mode in the most sickeningly overbearing power fantasy I've ever read.
>Every story is a window into the author's innate character, and this author is a pathetic failure writing self insert litrpg fanfiction to cope with how pathetic he is.
>It's obvious how the "character development" plays out that his idea of an ideal self is some sort of lesswrong cretin, and as narcissistic and deranged as those people are I have to admit that even that is a step above his original patheticness.
>Maybe one day he'll realize that pretending to be a robot doesn't alter the core of his broken mind and the only route to actual self improvement is addressing his problems at the root instead of papering over the cracks and pretending he's born again.

There is no need to even answer this, any person that reads WtC will know how hilariously incorrect and wrong this assessment is. The MC being the author's 'ideal self' might be the single worst take possible. Wouldn't it be better to, you know, actually READ the story before commenting and making yourself look like a retard? But maybe it's me expecting too much from people, for all the constant bitching about how trashy webnovels are, the ones that try to do something more, be original or actually tackle something seriously are too complicated to understand by cretins. I hope one day you learn how to engage with serious literature and actually grow as a person, instead of spiting venom at anything beyond your level of reading comprehension.

>>20452181
>>20452619
Sounds like an interesting hook, appreciate the head's up on the first few chapters. I'll give it a shot but I'm waning on being unable to connect or give a shit about the main character in these series. Don't get me wrong, love a villain that's meant to be hated as long as it's written well. There's not a book I've touched so far that's done this right though.

>>20456139
There's clear indication that the dead man is still there in some capacity. When the bodysnatcher went to the capitol of that region, all of the real Jin's memories threatened to overtake him. One of the anons I was talking with confirmed as much, but (and I'm paraphrasing) 'the two make one whole person with the transmigrator in control'. Not only is our MC fleeing the region to avoid the xianxia power trip, but any region that's familiar to the body evokes memories that threaten to end the bodysnatcher.

Also, if you've lived a complete life should you be entitled to steal someone else's? There's more than enough evidence that the will of the original Jin wants to exist. The MC actively suppresses it in the narrative. There's a literal compartmentalization of the original soul that takes place, which must be explored in future books.

I'm a comic book fag here and there too, some of this reminds me of Superior Spider-Man where Doc Ock stole Peter's body, memories, etc. There was still a shadow of Peter left, forcing Doc Ock to make good decisions (up until he was deleted). Imagine someone stealing your body and using your dick to fuck random midgets in NYC? Giving you a bowl cut because he likes the way it feels? What a horrible fate...

The book just didn't land for me. I expect some measure of consequence for things setup in the first few chapters and there were none. We're meant to dismiss it for the slice of life ease, which I'm just... not in the right mental frame of reference for. The other anon was right.

>>20456674
>Not only is our MC fleeing the region to avoid the xianxia power trip, but any region that's familiar to the body evokes memories that threaten to end the bodysnatcher.
He has his memories (like in most reincarnated-into-dead-person stories), that's true, but that's it. Seems like you are arguing without ever having read it, you just make shit up.
MC didn't choose to take over the dead body and the guy would be dead anyway without this transmigration.
Victimless 'crime', where the 'criminal' didn't do anything to cry about.
>namefag
Ah, so that's why your posts are so fucking retarded, should've seen this before.

Anyone else read Rage of Dragons? It ended up being underwhelming after reading all the gushing reviews. Like a moderately better version of the Poppy War.

>>20456674
They're sort of more like 'ghost memories', it seems. The real Jin is well and truly dead, just some echoes live on.

>>20456742
It has some decent moments to it, a relatively unique setting for what it is, but the end result is "guy who apparently has no talent trains hard for less than a year and beats people who also trained hard". I can buy Tau being way better than most expect him to be, he does put in absurd amounts of effort and has an unorthodox fighting style, sure, but how the fuck is he effortlessly beating his teacher whose entire thing was "train hard and practice properly". Also the demon stuff just feels undercooked. Maybe the sequel's better, but I've yet to read it.

Meh. I didn't hate it. If you get a boner for Norse stuff, and revenge stories, and battles, then you'll like it. But if you're looking for anything multifaceted, then you'll be left wanting more. It's very straight to the point. A great representation of the "simple as" meme.

>>20456781
Pic related is an example of the meme.
Also, the author overused the term "thought cage". It was cute the first couple times. But then he used it at least once for every chapter. Sometimes multiple times a chapter.
And what's weirder, is that the characters have the term "brain" and 'skull" in their lexicon. But they think "thought cage" for most references to the mind.

I'll probably just drop the series now, before I waste more time reading about thought cages. But that leaves me with nothing to read.

>>20456719
The author removed the first volume from RR and I can't find another version that's been edited for release. In chapter 2 (maybe even chapter 1), Jin enters the closest city to the sect. He's then flooded with memories from the original Jin regarding his grandfather's death, being an orphan, life on the streets, etc. There's very clear language at this point that he put all of these memories into 'a box' and that he had to get out of the city quickly to avoid this 'xianxia bullshit'.

>>20456769
This is probably the case. I'm reading an earlier version of Beware of Chicken and the entirety of what I mentioned above isn't even there. I'm starting to think the 'edited for release' version I listened to is completely different from what people here have read... The first chapter has Jin moving from the sect directly to his farm without interacting with anyone.

>>20456814
Huh. Probably some stuff edited for brevity or whatnot, but sounds a little disappointing.

>>20456814
He has the dead guy's brain and memories, so it's natural that when he arrives in a place that brings up those memories they get... brought up.
I think you WANTED to be offended so you see what you want to see. Some evil ghost taking over an innocent lad, or w/e. In reality MC has no control over what happened, so you are just blaming the victim.

>>20456814
>There's very clear language at this point that he put all of these memories into 'a box' and that he had to get out of the city quickly to avoid this 'xianxia bullshit'.
That reads to me more like "Oh shit, I'm going to get roped into plot if I let this happen" and his entire thing is NOT wanting to get involved in plot. I don't really think this puts him as villainous or whatever, he's just making the best of a bad situation.

Any recommendations about characters on a quest or whose purpose is to kill a god?

>>20456831
I wanted to be offended? This is the first chapter of the book, there's no expectation to be had beyond what I knew of the title starting out - Xianxia parody. You're inferring shit with absolutely no basis because I'm... victim blaming a particularly unrepentant asswipe of a character.

>>20456822
I went ahead and grabbed the kindle version to compare against the original (located on lightnovelspot.com).

Completely different in presentation. I think he muddies the waters by adding it. The sections he added with the transmigrator moving into Jin's body particularly pounds in the point of usurping his life, in a way? Jin's heart does stop during the beat down, but only for that instance. The transmigrator warps into his body AS Jin is being assaulted instead of waking up at the tail end of it.

Author's added a handful of pages to the first chapter of the story in the book release. In this publication he makes a detour to the Crimson Crucible City before deciding to buy a farm at the furthest corner of the Empire. The section I was referencing above. After entering the city Jin grew up in:

"I immediately regretted it, as that was all the memories needed to flood into my mind.
The feelings were intense. Recollections of gangs, sickness, and a demon assault. Love of his long-dead parents, and the times he had with 'Gramps' learning how to cultivate. The shock of it all sent me to my knees, holding my head, on a lonely mountain path.
I shoved them all away from me. All of Jin -- Rou's memories. The other guy. I shoved them back in their little box, spat the taste of bile from my mouth, and shook off the phantom pains."

None of this is in the original version, which explains why he took all of V1 down upon release. That explains the confusion. There's a massive addition to chapter one prior to him reaching Verdant Hills.

>>20456930
That feels like it almost works against the 'parody' tone BoC is supposed to have going on.

>>20456781
>It's very straight to the point
This is the good thing about it, no padding, no bullshit, straight to the point.
The second book steps it up even more, things become more multilayered as you discover connections between characters and other parts of the plot.
>>20456806
>thought cages
Yeah that gets annoying, he also uses the word malice quite a lot which is the title of the first book in his other series. Not worth dropping the book over though.

He cuts down on the use of thought cage in the second book thankfully.

Truth shines!

>>20457004
I mean I like the idea of not really knowing where 'thoughts' are, because humans didn't really use to know that, but it is a little dumb-sounding.

>>20457018
I know, it annoyed me just as much. Not sure why he used thought cage so much, he must of been aware that he was doing it. It's the only thing apart from malice that he overuses.

>>20456930
>None of this is in the original version, which explains why he took all of V1 down upon release. That explains the confusion. There's a massive addition to chapter one prior to him reaching Verdant Hills.
>>20456972
>That feels like it almost works against the 'parody' tone BoC is supposed to have going on.
Huh. The author probably wanted to flesh out the character a bit before getting to the farm stuff, but ended up with something that might rub some people the wrong way. I don't think it's a bad addition, but I guess I understand more why someone might have a bad reaction to it, even if I wouldn't.

Fun fact, Beware of Chicken wasn't supposed to be a xianxia parody, not initially. It was still supposed to be a character centric slice of life, but a Harem story as well. But it seems the story got away from the writer, people loved the MC's 'normality' (so the readerbase would hate Harem now), so the story never got to that, instead making Jin monogamous.

Fun fact #2, the story is also posted on some popular forum, can't recall which, and that version contains the NSFW scene which was cut from RR (and the published version too, I assume) chapters, in which Jin and Meimei have sex for the first time. That's probably the last remnant from the initial idea for the story.

>>20457124
Doesn't Jin pretty explicitly shoot down the idea of a harem, or some such?

>>20456719
>Seems like you are arguing without ever having read it, you just make shit up.
yeah I don't get this guy
they've made posts about multiple books now where they've completely misinterpreted basic details
it's weird

>>20452680
I've warned people about Abercrombie time and again, but apparently I'm just screaming into the void.

Okay you faggets. After all your years of shilling, I finally tried Beware of Chicken (after it got proofread and cleaned up in audio).
When Can I expect Volume two? This was so fucking good. I'm jonesing and really tempted to read the webnovel that I'm sure is filled with errors.

>>20457412
Well, according to >>20456930 the published stuff is more just edited and has some additional bits added in (nothing that majorly changes things, just alterations and minor additions it seems) and I'm sure, like any webnovel, the author gets more proficient over time so volume 2's probably well-written 'enough'. Published webnovels tend to come out pretty quickly, though, so probably 2-3 months?

>>20456037
Such a great trilogy.

>>20456037
How good are the second and third books?

>>20457514
>trilogy

>>20457531
Yeah, but I only read the trilogy when I was in the YA demo.
Clariel and Golden hand didn't grab me as much when I read them. T&E is sitting on my shelf unopened.
I really did enjoy the first three, more than any other series of the time I think. Lirael especially stands out in my memory, the exploration of the library in particular.

>>20457552
I keep meaning to read these but I keep getting sidetracked. My current track is that I've got it after Gideon the Ninth (and its sequel), which I'm gonna read after I finish Mother of Learning. Trying to avoid getting too distracted by other stuff.

I think they're worth it. The first book works by itself to some extent, so if you find you aren't really gripped by the world you could stop there.

>>20457572
I liked Keys to the Kingdom (admittedly I read them... Not long after the last one came out, so some time ago now) so I know I at least like Nix's writing style.

Oh. If you liked Keys you'll be right at home with Sabriel.
The Old Kingdom is much less surreal. It has a grounded desperation to it.

>>20456883
The Second Apocalypse, unironically.

>>20456930
You wanted to hate it because it's western xianxia or w/e.
I'm not your shrink, and frankly I don't care WHY you wanted to hate it, I just know that you did (or are an extremely retarded victim blamer).
Simple as.

>>20456930
>unrepentant
Unrepentant about being a victim? Wew lad.

is this the newest form of viral marketing?
making up retarded shit about something, to rile up the fans, falsefalg the naysayers (since retards hate it then it must be good), garner interest of people with the made up 'controversy'

>>20457748
Nah, viral marketing usually has someone being paid. They do it for free.

>>20457748
QRD? I don‘t read every post.

>>20457730
Ignore the shitposter. His reviews are retarded. Everytime he reads something he finds some retarded non existent angle and uses it in every future discussion about that particular story. This time the mc is to blame because he reincarnated and took over someone elses body. Who cares right? Well forget about having any kind of discussion with namefag because that is all that matters to him.

>>20457552
>T&E is sitting on my shelf unopened.
LOL. Are you me? I had it since released, but never touched it.

>>20457808
At least he gets responses. That's all that matters.

>>20456972
>>20457124
>>20457423
I've re-read the first few chapters in their original presentation and enjoy the pace of things a lot more. I'm not sure if all the chapters are like this or if he may have found his rhythm further on, but going back and revising those early chapters was a mistake in my opinion. Based on your fun facts, it seems like he circled around to add the parody itself (beyond the transmigration bit)? I think the more direct and simple writing style he had originally lends to the slice of life motif more. It also casts the main character in a better light by not over-explaining how he got his body.

>>20457830
yes, baiters and trolls get responses.

>>20457852
I feel like the 'how he got the body' thing is sort of just a thing you have to gloss over. Transmigration is just 'like that' in xianxia stories, and the point there is he doesn't take that body and then become a great cultivator to reach the heavens or whatever, he just goes "Nah, farming". It's not really something he has control over, and given there's no real indication the real Jin is around properly it's just the transmigrator having some ghost memories.

>>20457760
Just a retard making shit up about Beware of Chicken. Don't take me wrong, it's not even that great of a story, but he's sperging out how MC is evil (when he's a bland 'good guy'), just because MC got transmigrated into a body of another (dead by that point) guy.
The 'evil body possessing ghost' angle just doesn't work if MC is a victim of that too (it just happens without him trying to make it happen) AND the guy whose body MC is possessing died anyway, so there's no victim.

>>20457866
I agree. It's much easier to gloss over with how it's originally presented. With the public release, it's left that Jin's heart had stopped during the attack and the transmigrator came in at that moment. The beat down by the other Outer Sect members continues on from that point, with the Transmigrator receiving the rest of it.

>>20457876
I would ASSUME you're meant to read that as "OG Jin is just dead regardless", but maybe it was poor word choice leading to the assumption on your part that he was more just 'almost dead'.

jolenta booba shining with sweat from the sun

>>20457412
just read it online you weirdo

>>20457876
That's a weird thing to bother changing. I wonder if he hired an editor who made suggestions.

jolenta

What do you fags use for text to speech converters? When you wanna turn an ebook into audio?
Moonreader plus works, but if you drop asleep, you can't rewind to find your spot like an audiobook.

>>20458170
Not sure how rewind when falling asleep would work but on PC I use Balabolka.

>>20458017
Is it finished? Like Mother of Learning? Or is the author still writing chapters?

>>20458193
After you wake up, you have to search backwards to see what you last remembered.

>>20458223
>Is it finished? Like Mother of Learning? Or is the author still writing chapters?
Volumes 1 and 2 are finished. At the momnet Vol 3 is being posted, but basing on the plot of Vol 2 I don't think the story is finishing any time soon.

seriously what the fuck is taking so long

>>20458429
who still cares about that fat fuck

>>20458326
>but basing on the plot of Vol 2 I don't think the story is finishing any time soon.
fug. I really don't wanna be waiting for shit to be published, then something happening and the story being left in limbo.

>>20458429
TL;DR: Never Ever

>>20458429
Just give up on it anon. It's never coming out.

>>20458429
I've only watched the first season of got and hated it . are the books that good?

>>20443102
What the fuck, Bakkerbros....

>>20458605
Yes and also s1/book 1 is all setup

>>20458605
I've watched all of GoT and read the first two books. The books are pretty much word for word with the show, if you have watched season 1 you can easily skip the first book as you won't miss anything.

>>20458446
>fug. I really don't wanna be waiting for shit to be published, then something happening and the story being left in limbo.
Left in limbo? The author is getting 14k Patreon bucks per month for writing the story, it ain't being left any time soon. It's one of the most successful webnovels of the internet, right there with DotF, The Wandering Inn or The Primal Hunter.

>>20458764
That didn't stop some of the most popular fantasy authors who got much more from leaving their works in limbo.

>>20458764
>The Primal Hunter
That's popular? I read the first published book and it was just... Okay. Feels like the prime "MC is randomly amazing at this apocalyptic situation and gets ALL the special things" sort of thing, which... I mean, if you're into that, I suppose.

>>20458764
>14k Patreon bucks per month
WTF? It doesn't cost money to write a book. Especially 14k a month, there are people that don't earn that a year working full time.

>>20458818
kek why are you surprised. writing a successful web novel is almost like winning a lottery, its obviously not minimum wage per hour job

>>20458818
What retard works full time at minimum wage? Just write a gay webnovel lmao

>>20451809
>WoT is C tier
NGMI

A pathological need for praise and external validation is killing me. It's been 11 years since high school and I still haven't developed the coping methods for living without it

Cultivation/progression/wuxia bullshit really needs its own thread. I am so fucking sick of you faggots shitting up this general every day.

>>20458936
>Oh no people are discussing fantasy in the fantasy thread

>>20458429
He lost the plot after the third volume. Since then he just played for time by opening up new go-nowhere storylines.

>>20458931
start a webnovel
use that need as a driving motivator

>>20458931
Just B.E. yourself, anon.

>>20458818
This is what I keep saying. You only need to find a couple thousand out of the billions of people on earth who connect with you and you're in the top 1% of published authors.

>>20458915
If weebs are willing to throw that much money at me I might as well.

>>20458440
I just want to know how it ends, books 1 2 and 3 were so fucking good :(

I invite you to my threat
>>>/tv/168943303
>>>/tv/168943303
>>>/tv/168943303

>>20458990
>/tv/
No thanks, and never come back.

>>20458946
He’s just mad people are finally discussing in this general.

>>20458990
Sharnt be posting, thanks mate.

>>20458936
GRRM worship needs its own thread.

>>20458936
>>20458946
>>20459137
Btw, doesn't /sffg/ have its own goodreads books to read every week or something? Why aren't people discussing them?

>>20459157
When has that ever been a thing?

>>20459157
People have tried in the past, hell we even have the person who made the goodreads group here >>20454552 but as other people have stated, if you try to discuss books here, some no-life starts spamming and others start bitching.

>>20459157
Its pozzed, few months back they had black/woman authors month or some shit like that, goodreads is garbage, people who promote it are tranny shills

>>20457828
My mother sent it to me last Christmas.

>>20457527
Very good. They are much more closely related to each other than the first, but the three together are a great story.

Release that Witch is the first dengist fantasy novel I've read.

>>20459248
Was it good?

>>20459290
2nd best take I've read on revolutionizing/industrializing a medieval fantasy world that the protagonist has travelled to after Merchant Princes by stross (which I adore so it would've been hard to top)

>>20459298
>2nd best take I've read on revolutionizing/industrializing a medieval fantasy world that the protagonist has travelled to after Merchant Princes by stross
Looks like I’ll be adding two books onto my list.

>>20459298
>revolutionizing/industrializing a medieval fantasy world
Not him, but you're going to have to sell it to me more, I keep reading this in different forums and they've been hit or miss.

>>20459342
Honestly, the only time I’ve heard this is from some fanfic from alternate history, where the author self-inserts as Stannis son or something.

>>20459399
Sorry, anon, the only A song of Ice and Fire fanfic I know is purple days and that's because it's a good fanfic.

>>20459298
>>20459399
God I hate this shit. Anime uses this trope all the time and think things like crop rotation and mayonaisse will completely change socioeconomics in a matter of minutes.

>>20459342
>sell it to me
Are you the same anon who keeps posting this?
I am not a salesman, never worked in sales, I am pretty sure most peope here never worked in sales. This is not a market. No one is going sell you anything here, if someone makes a rec post, if you don't want to read it just ignore it.

>>20459450
>crop rotation and mayonaisse will completely change socioeconomics in a matter of minutes.
It does, anon, read history.

>>20459450
>t. Anime uses this trope all the time and think things like crop rotation and mayonaisse will completely change socioeconomics in a matter of minutes.
You do know the west uses it also, right? Mark Twain did something like that in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

>>20459514
Doesn’t the ending refute your post? Wasn’t there a secret cabal who stopped all progress or something.

>>20451758
Finished the Postman, now it's random acts of Senseless Violence.

>>20459609
>Postman
by David Brin?

>>20459637
Yeah.

>>20459642
Ah, I have that book in my reading list, I should be able to read it in two weeks.

>>20459609
Did you read the uplift trilogy, if so, how are they?

>>20459688
Never read anything else by brin.
Enjoyed Postman so ive been thinking of picking up the first uplift book

>>20459688
Not him but I read it years ago and thought it was well done but it didn't carry me along with it. Some time later I read his Star Trek vs Star Wars essay and realized my disagreement with him was that he is a progressive and I am a reactionary and that mattered a lot to him. Haven't read him since. I did enjoy postman, though.

>>20459717
Ah that’s fine.

>>20459157
>>20459171
I'll post something about this in the next thread.

>>20459197
You'll be agitated to know that this month's theme will upset you even more, probably. You're welcome. Enjoy your ensuing anger.

>>20459817
>You'll be agitated to know that this month's theme will upset you even more, probably. You're welcome. Enjoy your ensuing anger.
Please don't antagonize him, he'll shit up the thread.

>>20459822
Maybe Goodreads tranny shills shouldn't be antagonistic towards normal people and we wouldn't have this problem.

New thread
>>20459848

>>20459834
not the goodreads poster or the wall of text review poster
the sperg spergs out at me whenever I mention reading a book by a female author, so I really don't see how you can reasonably not antagonise them without ridiculous pandering to a nonce

>>20459853
Literally just don't post books by women. It's that simple. Plus, what you read will generally improve if you cut women out, so it's a win-win.

>>20459817
why do you post on 4chan if you like and promote that liberal tranny garbage?

>>20459834
Have you considered that perhaps 4chan is the wrong place for you if a little light bantering upsets you?

>>20459864
Because I've been here since around the time the site began. The site isn't only it's most popular boards. Opinions vary. There's nothing unusual about it. It's you being silly thinking the site's users are monolithic.

>>20459878
>little light bantering
Since when is banter allowed on /sffg/ by the urban youth mod?

>>20459917
It has to remain within the rules, of course.

>>20459930
According to rules all banter goes to >>>/bant/

>>20459157
>Btw, doesn't /sffg/ have its own goodreads books to read every week or something? Why aren't people discussing them?

It began with an anon who had the thread pick a monthly book. The book was then discussed in a thread at the end of month and only ever that thread. Only a few ever participated and then it was almost always short single posts. Around a year later that anon quit. I made the Goodreads group around the time he quit. The thread continued on for a couple months more out of inertia.

Then someone started the discord server. I put the books that were chosen there as the book. Sometimes it was monthly, sometimes it was twice or four times a month. Discussion ensued in the server far more than there ever was in the thread. However, even then it was mostly only ever two people did so, myself and the server founder. Sometimes others joined. This went on for roughly two years. I copypasted some into Goodreads group

Eventually I left the server and since the start of this year or so have been putting just whatever in the hopes that maybe members will see something that I've read or posted as decoration, because that's all it really is at this point. I would've discussed in the thread rather than the discord server, but that's not where discussion for what I've read or have interest in. There have been other difficulties as well. I tried discussing, but there was almost never any response. That's just how it is and I'm fine with that now. It's understandable that people want to have full control over what and how they read.

It's interesting what I see in my activity feed on GR, which allows for basic monitoring of the results of what I do. I also can see other trends. Just recently four members finished the same book at the same. I don't know how much they discussed it though. I'd assume from some other /lit/ group. On a different note, rarely does anyone say anything actionable and/or constructive so I just as I do. I'm entirely open to suggestions about whatever.

If anyone goes through the mega in the OP a lot then it should be evident that I'm not overly concerned about the nature of what's included.

TL;DR: No.