/lit/ - Literature

>>20492316
You've never read Hegel and it shows.

>>20492318
I literally give lectures on the science of logic.

Auf Deutsch ist es auch unleserlich, hör auf dich im Internet aufzuspielen.

>>20492358
Weil du ein Idiot bist, der nicht weiß, was z.B. der Unterschied zwischen "dem Unterschied" und "der Verschiedenheit" ist.

>>20492387
Natürlich ist es möglich es zu verstehen wenn man den Jargon studiert und sich Vorlesungen oder Sekundärliteratur gibt, dann ist es aber für Amis mit vielleicht 10% mehr Aufwand genauso möglich. Du beeindruckst hier niemanden.

What if it's not English?

it must be so depressing to be a sincere philosophy student picking up your favorite english or w/e translation of Hegel who tells you philosophy can only be done in German.

Same with Heidegger.

>>20492316
I'm new to /lit/ The "discussions" on this board are just boyscouts who want to impress others with their badges. There really isn't any discussion, people seem to just come here to convince themselves that they are much more intelligent than someone who hasn't read x or y and somehow insulting each other and bringing up some weird concepts should prove that. The people i've seen here are not actually interested in the topics other than the feelings of self worth it provides them. Why are you always angry at someone for? what are you trying to prove?

>>20492434
I LITERALLY GIVE LECTURES ON THE SCIENCE OF LOGIC. I AM VERY SMART. I AM IMPORTANT. PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!

>>20492316
hegel is trash.
read schopenhauer

>>20492316
Fuck off

>>20492316
just read kierkegaard bro. hegel is a fucking HACK

>>20492447
yeah it's true isn't it? What the fuck do i care what you think is shit, telling me to read this or that, i want your opinion on topics, explanations of your fields of expertise/ interesting thoughts and compare it to mine not some empty phrases and insults that neither help nor interest me. Why can't we be excited about literature or philosophy, giving each other insights and perceived truths? Is this so naive of me?

>>20492451
i mean look at this guy, what is this?? Nothing of substance at all. What lizard brain wizardry produces the motivation to actually type this out and click "post"??

>>20492387
or this guy takes two random words from hegel that have nothing to do with the discussion and, like a school child, tells everyone "I know what it means and you don't" I really am puzzled as to why people do this. It's so uninspiringly dull

and OP just uses Hegel to insult americans apparently, who does he want to impress? those he insults?

You are all not perfect, we don't know the truth, we haven't read everything, it's very possible that someone has read an interesting philosopher that you don't know and that's ok.

I just started reading Hegel and i have no fucking clue what he is talking about.

>>20492531
or this guy, just the same phrase with swapped out philosopers lmao this is ridiculous

>>20492387
google translate Deutsch

>>20492316
We get it, you played Fallout: New Vegas

>>20492323
>country
>your own nationality
>degree
>age
I have also given a lecture about the SoL, but I wouldn't say I understand Hegel.
>>20492318
This guy's a midwit tho, like everyone on here.

>>20492563
You are clearly new to /lit/. Otherwise, you already get used to it. You now have two choices: accept /lit/'s cancer and still post here or leave /lit/ forever before its cancer also infects you.

>>20492316
philosophy has got to be the only discipline where something being 'difficult' somehow prevents it from being considered true.
Imagine someone opening a textbook on quantum physics and getting stuck on the particle in a well example and crying and pissing and yelling that its all gibberish and pointless language games and some obscure excuse for physicist to get money.
absolutely pathetic.

>>20492387
Germans don’t use quotes like that you poser. They do it like „this”

I am just so happy this thread still exists.

>>20492425
Maybe it could be done in latin though.

>>20492802
Seldomly there are actual scholars on here.

>>20492434
>The "discussions" on this board are just boyscouts who want to impress others with their badges
Because the board is primarily populated by teenage boys

>>20492797
>I have also given a lecture about the SoL, but I wouldn't say I understand Hegel.

I don't know if this is common academic "tradition" in america, but where I learn and teach, on my Alma Mater, we prefer it that those who teach understand the topic, of which they teach.

I don't know, maybe thats just a stretch.

>>20492811
This is a good take, even though Hegel COULD very well HAVE phrased things much easier.

>>20492316
Brown hands typed this post

>>20492811
Most people consider Leibniz false and at best they have briefly skimmed his monadology. Leibniz was a deeper and more profound thinker than Hegel as well. Clearer, precise and mathematical in his thought, and to this day unrefuted.

>>20492811
Needless obscurantism refines socio-hegemonies from redefining the self beyond what the in-it-self of Nature can be believed with the grounded essence seen as itself is of course the basis for this belief as transnational flight in the Althusserian sense. While the erasure of thought-as-known is necessary, on one side, the realm of clouds that is the forceful rejection of communicative thought-as-belief is the negative. Contrary to economic structures that systematically prefer themselves to the other, while preferring to be believed in the consciousness of being as essence to the particular all belied thought the middle term of the syllogism that Nature begets through her natural tendency of motherhood the being-of-itself of womanhood, the structures become at their essence unstructured rejecting their nature not as Nature but as nature denatured

>>20492802
i will rise above and be forever known as the one who changed lit and led them out of the darkness into the light. I have become immune to cancer since i come from pol, i'm basically ready to accept my medical doctor title i have experienced so much cancer.

>>20492323
Do you have a dog house?

>>20493117
... yeah right though ... lol ...

>>20493140
lol that's what i wanted to ask too

>>20492316
It’s “indecipherable” you ESL nigger

>>20492316
How many native german speaker philosphers agree with this?

>>20492323
No you don't. You are barely literate.

>>20492316
hans, you sound upset.

>>20492398
>Natürlich ist es möglich es zu verstehen wenn man den Jargon studiert und sich Vorlesungen oder Sekundärliteratur gib
stimmt überhaupt gar nicht.
Du weißt was diese Begriffe bedeuten allein weil du Deutscher bist. Es ist dies weshalb nicht Deutsche nie auch nur ein Werk von Hegel in die Hand nehmen sollten.

>>20492316
For any other anons struggling, we finally have Brandom's book reading the Phenomenology: A Spirit of Trust.
I haven't read it myself, but a lot of people I know have been looking forward to this for years.

>>20494404
more interpretations...

>>20494404
Brandom is a nonmetaphysical Hegelian and certified retard in a fad that will hopefully FINALLY die soon

Instead of reading Brandom's watered down Pittsburgh pragmatist reading of watered down Hegel, just read Sellars directly and read Hegel with some actual decent secondary lit like Charles Taylor and Frederick Beiser

>>20493556
The academic consensus is just that it is a "shadowy" and "nerve depleting" read, that it is only understandable by a german that is willing to invest everything into his own knowledge was said by hegel himself.

>>20494433
>Charles Taylor and Frederick Beiser
This is actually the best way a non native, non-actually intellectual german speaker could go. Of course you can never reach the niveau of someone like Gotthard Günther, even if you start studying german every day from today onwards. And I think thats so very beautiful.

>>20494433
>Brandom is a nonmetaphysical Hegelian and certified retard in a fad that will hopefully FINALLY die soon
Please elaborate expert anon.

>>20492316
Hegel is for cool chicks, leave it as is hun

It's just as poorly written in German.

>>20496465
Thats true, but it is understandable, and the contents are good.

>>20492316
that's just a meme

>>20492316
le triangle guy

>>20492316
It is the agent of divine providence and cannot be understood by reading it alone.
YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT

>>20492434
Don't get used to the board, it's complete shit. I only come here once a month once I realized that there is nothing here of use. You will never have a meaningful conversation here about any book, especially philosophy. Threads with actual effort get buried first because nobody is willing to discuss things seriously or they never actually read the things being discussed.

the mightiest system of knowledge

>>20492316
You can translate the critique of pure reason faithfully in all languages. You are full of shit.

>>20492316
lol

Exquisite sincere bait. I believe you are in fact what you say you are, but the thing is Germans have always been conceited assholes who were, mind you, considered barbaric and rather primitive, until one fine Mme. De Staelle decided they had something of actual worth to say. Now unless you pretend German is superior to French because of some nonsensical "could fit many words into one" notion, be my guest, but we all know that Germany's Idealism extends farther than just the philosophical realm bordering on pure undiluted delusions.

>>20498550
>You can translate the critique of pure reason faithfully in all languages. You are full of shit.

Noones talkin bout dat?

>>20493140
Lmao

>>20498833
Sick digits, bump.

>>20492323
J are you drunk or something

>>20492811
>No one gets angry at a mathematician or a physicist whom he or she doesn't understand at all, or at someone who speaks a foreign language, but rather at someone who tampers with your own language, with this "relation," precisely, which is yours...