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21202025 No.21202025 [Reply] [Original]

Tips on separating the art from the artist?

>> No.21202040
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21202040

>>21202025
Angle grinder. Acid. Hooligan tool (pic.).

>> No.21202047

>>21202025
why? she cute

>> No.21202049

It's called "death of the author", Boomer.

>> No.21202063

>>21202025
I seperate the author from the woman I want to nut in.

>> No.21202133

>>21202025
Only a tranny would need tips on something like this.

>> No.21202162

>>21202025
Do you like the art? Yes? OK that's it, you did it. Who gives a fuck about the artist? Roman Pulanski made some great films but he also fucked some kids. That doesn't make his movies less enjoyable. China Mieville is an obnoxious "lefty" woke faggot in real life, but he has written some really interesting science fiction and fantasy. If you don't like the artist, pirate their art or something. But don't pretend you don't think it's great.

>> No.21202404

>>21202025
Just don't think about the artist. It has genuinely zero bearing on the piece. If it requires the context of an author's life to be understood, then it's shit and is terrible at getting it's point across.

The only thing I know about any artist across any art form is what they made and nothing more.

>> No.21202407

>>21202404
Oh and I forgot to say, if they have shit views and that makes it into the piece, then the piece is shit because the artist is shit. The art should and does stand on it's own. A great person can make shit art, a shit person can make great art. That's really all there is to it.

>> No.21202419

Stop being a woman under 22, no other demographic has a problem with it

>> No.21202429
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>>21202025
Watching celebs like Rowling and RuPaul go from being the poster-child for progressivism to “problematic” in less than a decade has been incredibly entertaining

>> No.21202460

>>21202025
You can't.
It's like asking Chumsky to stop worshipping socialism even if he's writing a book on linguistics.

>> No.21202472

Why bother if the art is shit?

>> No.21202473

>>21202025
Unplug from celebrity culture.

>> No.21202477

>>21202419
Women are truly a lost cause

>>21202049
Irrelevant, go shove your degree in underwater lesbian basket weaving up your poop chute, pull it out, cum on it, then eat it.

>> No.21202483

Don't use the internet

>> No.21202506

>>21202429
The conformism is strong on that one.

>> No.21202509

>>21202025
Just don't engage in culture war. Terfs can publish books you enjoy.

>> No.21202510

>>21202025
Stop reading children's books.

>> No.21202521

>>21202025
Grow up.

>> No.21202525

>>21202025
She's not an artist she hasn't even written Harry Potter, her husband actually wrote it but she stole his work.

>> No.21202642

>>21202025
Deal with it. You don't live in a fantasy world. Real people say, do, think, believe and live in ways you don't like. If you're so upset by that you can't read a childrens book series about a wizard and his friends in high school without pretending the authir doesn't exist, neck yourself.

>> No.21202779

>>21202162
>>21202404
>>21202460
>>21202509
>>21202642
Yeah, no. I can't in good faith pay money and support an artist who denies BHR (basic human rights) and wants people dead. Full stop.

>> No.21202791

>>21202779
Wow, this broke something in me, what are we doing? Culture war is not worth it, forgive her please!

>> No.21202861

>>21202025
ist

>> No.21202877

>>21202025
the only times I can't and won't separate the art from the artist is if they have done something truly monstruous like that lead singer from the Lost Prophets or Jimmy Saville. If it's just some opinions they spout on twitter I disagree with, then I couldn't give less of a shit about it.

>> No.21202881

>>21202779
>I can't in good faith pay money and support an artist who denies BHR (basic human rights) and wants people dead. Full stop.
You wear clothes made by slave labour shut the fuck up

>> No.21202897

>>21202779
You're in luck then, J.K. Rowling does support basic human rights and doesn't want anyone dead, at least as far as I know.

>> No.21202901

>>21202779
>>21202881
Fucker probably has a phone and other electrical equipment made by the literal destruction of the natural world, followed by a cheeky bit of child slave labour. But that's not a problem, it's some irrelevant author saying mean things on twitter.

>> No.21202906

>>21202897
J.K.Rowling wants safe spaces for women as far as I can tell. She doesn't want men to be able to enter into those spaces by saying they are women. Anyone who doesn't think this is at least a possibility and would be a problem for the women in those spaces is lying to themselves. Idgaf about either side of the argument, but her arguments are stronger imo

>> No.21202911

>>21202779
Bait post but I never understood the trans rights are human rights issue. Like, do trannies not have human rights? Im pretty sure they do. Being given experimental drugs just because you say 'gimmie' isnt a human right, I think thats what the trannies want anyway.

>> No.21202921

Sorry but until I see a tranny that doesn't use social media or go on the internet it's not actually a real thing. Literally groomed by the deep state.

>> No.21202963

Read contre sainte-beuve

>> No.21202973

>>21202921
Sorry but until I see a trump supporter that doesn't use social media or go on the internet it's not actually a real thing. Literally groomed by the deep state.

>> No.21202975

>>21202779
I wish I knew how to pray for you.

>> No.21202982

>>21202975
You stand and close your eyes.
You put your hands out in front of you, bent at the elbow, palms upwards.
You keen in a loud voice in public, "in the name of Allah the most powerful the most merciful the most good the most beneficient I ask you for your help now and always in my best actions in this world, and for your help being given to the person of _______ in aid of their being in this world according to your plans and needs. I ask you this not for me but for the benefit of ______ and your needs in this world. Amen."

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>>21202881
>>21202901

>> No.21203004

>>21203003
It says more about you than I that you think that's relevant

>> No.21203020

>>21202779
I can, and in fact prefer if they do such things

>> No.21203168

>>21202973
ywnbaw and so on

>> No.21203171

>>21203168
you will never have a foreskin

>> No.21203205

>>21202025
Why can't she write another popular book?

>> No.21203214

>>21202911
The only examples of trans "rights" violations that I've seen are just regular consumer rights violations and nothing unique to "trans" people.

Human rights transcend to all persons; so even calling it trans rights makes it exclusionary.

>> No.21203215

>>21202973
Lmao, you think your dad and grandpa voted for Hillary in 2016? There were millions of old boomer Trump supporters who have nothing whatsoever to do with social media.

>> No.21203234

>>21202897
>J.K. Rowling does support basic human rights and doesn't want anyone dead
She has routinely used her large platform to voice anti-trans rhetoric

>> No.21203308

>>21203234
Good.

>> No.21203327

>>21202779
>How 4channers imagine r*dditors write
>>21202162
>How r*dditors actually write

>> No.21203355

>>21202049
>>21202963
Congratulations on getting your bachelor's in French faggotry, your mum must be so proud

>> No.21203370

>>21203234
Just because, to you, speaking on behalf of women = "voicing anti-trans rhetoric" doesn't make it so, and it certainly doesn't equate to wanting people dead

>> No.21203429

>>21203370
She normalizes the dehumanization of transfolks by questioning their right to exist. That type of rhetoric is what leads to people getting killed.

>> No.21203445

>>21203429
questioning a trans person's right to enter a space created for women to feel safe is not questioning their right to exist. Women deserve that space, and it doesn't prevent anyone from having a space of their own

>> No.21203452

>>21203445
>questioning a trans person's right to enter a space created for women to feel safe is not questioning their right to exist
Yes, it is. Saying "transwomen can't go into a woman's space" is implying that transwomen don't exist as women.
>Women deserve that space
Transwomen are just as deserving of it too. It is called basic human decency.

>> No.21203455

>>21202025
Contracts that give the intellectual property right of a piece of media to a corporation.

>>21202049
Death of the Author is an essay about coping and seething.

>> No.21203463

>>21202025
Just read the book and forget about the name printed on the cover, fag
>>21202419
Ninth post best post

>> No.21203514

>>21203452
>Yes, it is. Saying "transwomen can't go into a woman's space" is implying that transwomen don't exist as women
I disagree. It's saying that in certain contexts like bathrooms or sport, for security reasons, transwomen should not be granted the same admission rights as women.
>Transwomen are just as deserving of it too. It is called basic human decency.
It would be a violation of basic human decency to deny transwomen a space of their own, which you can argue is the case. But would it not also be a violation of basic human decency to refuse women a space in which they can call their own and feel safe?

>> No.21203528

>>21203514
>transwomen should not be granted the same admission rights as women
Transwomen are women, therefore they deserve the same rights, and spaces, as women.

>> No.21203605

>>21203528
>Transwomen are women
The desperate metaphor, the last stand before the inevitable 'reeeeeeeee'. Transwomen are transwomen. This is not a hateful statement

>> No.21203660

>>21203452
What is your opinion on transwomen who abuse their privilege of having access to female-only spaces? Like actual perverts or worse? For instance, the thing that got J.K. Rowling "cancelled" was that she was commenting on an article where actual rapists who said they identify as women were put into female-only prisons.

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>>21202025
ACK

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>>21202025
>Tips on separating the art from the artist?

It can't be done. Michael Jackson make pedophile music, Woody Allen makes pedophile movies, Luise CK tells pervert jokes.

That's just the way it is. Move on.

>> No.21203717

>>21202025
i wish i could separate her lips with my dick, if you catch my drift.

>> No.21203732

>>21203717
could you clarify?

>> No.21204487

>>21203429
>right to exist

Really should win an award for best propaganda line so far this century.

>> No.21204664

>>21203732
no

>> No.21204688

>>21203429
>That type of rhetoric is what leads to people getting killed
Not enough in fact

>> No.21205017

I don't hate trans people. I just think they're gross and mentally retarded.

>> No.21206589

>>21202779
Why waste your life doing this?

>> No.21207060

>>21203429
Bait or no bait, you're the type of person who would report someone saying "I don't like you very much" as a death threat to the police.

>> No.21207065

>>21202025
Don’t look at biographical info on the artist. Simple as

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>>21202025
You're paying for a service, just think of it like that.

I'm sure you don't spend much time wondering if the guy flipping your burgers is a nonce or if your particular postie supports your political leanings or if the owner of your local is a werewolf. You don't need to, so you don't.

>> No.21208466

>>21202025
Given that HP series is in no way connected with any other book of hers, there is no reason to not just enjoy HP for what it is

>> No.21209870

>>21208466
This is /lit/, OP hasn't read any book.

>> No.21210646

>>21202025
Don't need to. Only thing she did wrong was match harry with a self insert.

>> No.21210665

>>21202025
>how do i separate the art from the artist
would you use a medicine that was created by using humans as guinea pigs? if your answer is no then you can't separate the art from the artist and should get on your soap box to ree about it

>> No.21210900

>>21202906
Lol if only she provided any way of differentiating the predatory fake transgenders from the real ones. Spoiler: she believes they are the same thing. Imagine being this fucking brainwashed that you buy into a cultural boogieman that makes up 1% of the population KEK. Trannies stay winning, terfs BTFO'd by own imagination

>> No.21210904

>>21207060
When the medical system is nationalised in the UK political discourse has heavy impacts on the literal capacity for transition to occur in the first place. Of course her dominant cultural voice fuelling the political shitshow impacts whether or not trans people can exist, trans medical care and trans rights in the equality act are being pulled back because of the zeitgeist. To assert her comments have no significance is delusional in a nanny state

>> No.21210916

Argh you idiots this thread glows

>> No.21210931

>>21202025
It is not about separating the art from the artist but from the audience.
The moment you get a book it is already separated from the author. The author can die, change it's mind, etc. but the book will remain.
Its about the public identifying with the art and the feeling and the problematic that causes that something you identify with or just like (part of you) was created by something that you like.

>> No.21210982

>>21210900
>TERF bitch is immortalized in history for writing one of the most GLOBALLY iconic pieces of literature of this century and the next, literally can't stop making money
>trannies coping and seething because you autistically love said books despite mean terf mommy
Doesn't sound like winning to me. Does it remind you of the motherly love you crave but know will never come? I can't imagine trannies being this butthurt if a male author is anti-troon.

>> No.21210988

>>21210982
>male author
>anti-troon
Do you not understand the backbone of the terf movement at all? It's women scapegoating sexism onto trannies because 'muh if I were a teenage girl now I'd have a fucking sex change too'
All the money in the world and JK still ended up pathetically tweeting anti trans rhetoric and living in a mouldering house LOL. Money cant buy happiness it seems

>> No.21210990

>>21202779
>believing you're unique for holding a faux-edgy dollar store tier opinion like this
Go back to twitter

>> No.21211004

>>21210988
Money can't buy buy biological reality either. I mean as far as happiness goes JKR has a 0% rate of suicide, so she seems to be chillin compared to you lot. Trannies only prove terfs right by exhibiting male rage. It's just some children's books, move the fuck on lmao, there isn't a shortage of fantasy writers pandering to trannies.

>> No.21212139

>>21211004
>JK hasn't killed herself yet
>this counts as chillin
ok
the problem clearly isnt the books but the author retard. I thought this was a board dedicated to reading, read the thread

>> No.21213597

>>21203452
I can’t tell if you’re trolling but they’re not women

>> No.21213604

>>21212139
Is her “crime” of not liking trannies really enough to make her a bad person?

>> No.21213634

>>21210990
He's baiting, you idiot.

>> No.21213971

>>21210904
>the governmental healthcare decision for the legality of access to hrt will be determined by an authour's baby-rage ranting on twitter who writes books for children (20 year old books, mind you)
>this is causative of general attitudes
>not symptomatic
Holy kek

>> No.21214196

>>21202040
you can separate the soul from the body WITH THAT??????

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>>21202162
>China Mieville is an obnoxious "lefty" woke faggot in real life

who the fucks names him kid "CHINA"
https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

>> No.21214208

>>21202025
ignore the artist. pretend their works were created by some unknown person. above all, ignore what the artist says about their own work. also, ywnbaw.

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>>21202162
This. This is why, no matter how much lib bullshit he spews to try to uncancel himself, Bakker will remain King.

>> No.21214238

>>21202025
I enjoy her work and her opinions.

>> No.21214927

>>21202025
No reason to do that here. She's a based fellow TERF.

>> No.21214942

>>21203452
>Saying "transwomen can't go into a woman's space" is implying that transwomen don't exist as women
They don't, though.
> Transwomen are just as deserving of it too
No they aren't, though
> It is called basic human decency
No it isn't.

>> No.21214953

>>21210988
> Males can't be anti-troon
I'm male and I'm anti troon. Lots of famous male writers are as well. Look at Graham Linehan and (I'm pretty sure) Richard K. Morgan.

>> No.21214956

>>21203429
>That type of rhetoric is what leads to people getting killed.
No it's not. You histrionic maniacs are the only ones who think that.

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>>21214215
Bakker is big on the LGBT community due to his queer fantasy series.

>> No.21215806

I’ve never read any of the Harry Potter books or seen any of the movies. They seemed gay to me.
However I have bought all of Jk Rowling’s books because I want to support her unwavering commitment to tranny genocide.

>> No.21216370

>>21203429
Trannies dont exist. There is no medical procedure that can verify whether ANYONE is trans and plastic surgery doesn't establish biology.

If the truth leads to people dying, GOOD

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>>21203528

>> No.21216405

i was expecting more pictures of sexy rowling and i am disappointed again.

>> No.21217244

>>21203234
And that's a good thing!

>> No.21217255

>>21203429
>disagreeing with insane gender cultists =/= dehumanizing people and wanting them dead