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Nietzsche clearly outlines a sexual attraction to men within the ubermensch in various frameworks. But this is NOT a homosexual one. Yes, I said it clear.

Let's get to the basics: Same sex attraction to men is born out of a feminine desire. We are not talking about homoeroticism, which can be appreciated among males of all orientations, but rather actually being interested in the same sex and willing to take a relationship for realz.

Even Nietzsche admits it. He makes it clear that his male Ubermensch must have a desire to "feminize" his masculine passions, just as his female ubermensch has desire to masculinize her "feminine" passions. This is where the sexual experimentation in both the male and female Ubermensch arises, and Nietzsche highlights this-- or at least makes an implicit correlation. But by what Nietzsche means by "feminizing" here is different from the scientific conception. It's not make the man put on a dress and drink tea, or to make him soft, but to make him free and wild. He wants men to explore their sensualities-- not to literally adopt traits that women have. Similarly, what Nietzsche means by "masculinizing the women" is for woman to put hardcore, manly effort into asserting their sensualities-- to embrace their femininity.

Nietzsche, contrary to what it might seem, wants to make both men and women feminine. From this context, Nietzsche means "feminine" as in "core," "base," and "senses." Not actually "female." The sensualities of men and women therefore actually differ, and his point is that both sexes restrain from them for no good reason. Women do so reactively, men do so actively. A woman who refuses to listen to her femininity is a "women don't need no man" feminist, and a man who refuses to listen to his femininity is a bloodthirsty Ancient Roman dictator.

Nietzsche's ideal man is gender nonconforming, but rather in the sense of "I am a nerd at nature and animals and have a high IQ in Greek philosophy and math! I love playing Pizza Tower and laughing at it's humor. Also I want to watch anime!" This phrase sounds perfectly male-- but in the sensual kind of way. If said man were to be androgynous and "look" like a woman, at best he would whine instead of immediately playing with dolls. Nietzsche's gender nonconforming man still loves with "thirst" rather than "faith," whereas tops, the most masculine of gays, abhorrently love with both "thirst" and "faith."

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>> No.21708028

>>21708017
Gay didn’t mean faggot until around 1949.
Faggot.
Gay mean weirdly happy.
You stupid faggot.

>> No.21708064

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Not to mention that Nietzsche's ideal man is supposed to free himself from obsessing over biological differences such as high vs. low testosterone concentration-- which reinforce men to restrain from their sensualities.

A male who is 6'8, has high amounts of testosterone concentration and big muscle mass, with a big jawline, and etc. can not ever and will NEVER qualify as Ubermensch, because all he will do is obsess over people who are short and low in testosterone. If a male ubermensch criticizes someone with subpar biology, it's because he's actually criticizing the psychological effect/way of living life that it generates, not the biology itself. He's not supposed to give a shit about their biological composition outside of cracking whimsical jokes. Just like how Nietzsche is merely making whimsical jokes when talking about women. The biology of Nietzsche's male ubermensch is therefore very, painfully "average."

Gays, as feminine as they are in the other sense, do not come anywhere close to meeting this requirement of the Ubermensch. Both bottoms and tops like the way their partners mostly for their biological composition. Tops are technically more feminine than the 'average man' yet have way much more testosterone concentration than them. Tops that are 6'8 with high amounts of testosterone concentration, big muscle mass, big jawlines, etc. do exist. These are what 4chan calls "masc fags" and to Nietzsche they are a big fat NO to his ideal. Testosterone is supposed to be an extraneous reward as an accomplishment of a mental activity, not an inherent biological privilege espoused by the emotions of your beliefs.

The only saving grace for homosexuals in Nietzsche's view would be a versatile and even then it would be very hard to work with him. Being gay is simply an inversion of being straight, It does not genuinely fix any problem, it only shifts one problem to the next. Hence this is why I propose that Nietzsche wanted a bisexual as his ideal man.

According to one study, bisexuals did indeed have a variability in digit ratio, but compared to both gays and straights (who automatically assume top), whether they were anal sex role preference was top or bottom did not have any significant correlation with masculinity or digit ratio at all. They are the only of the three normal sexual orientations in males who do not care about biological composition as much as how much their attraction to what sex they're interested in at the moment counts.

Much of Nietzsche's works read like a lonely Victorian bisexual punk wrote them anyway.

>> No.21708075

You zoomers view the world through such a distorted lens. It used to be that there was a modicum of reason to the insanity: they searched for that which was there where it wasn't, now they search for that which isn't where it never was.

>> No.21708094

>>21708017
>But this is NOT a homosexual one
sounds gay as fuck to me

>> No.21708123

OP are you sure you're not Bi and post Nietzsche's writings to fit your own life. Idk where you got a quote about Nietzsche talking about feminizing the masculine but I wanna see the actual quote.

>> No.21708126

>>21708017
> "I am a nerd at nature and animals and have a high IQ in Greek philosophy and math! I love playing Pizza Tower and laughing at it's humor. Also I want to watch anime!"
HOW is that gender nonconforming, OP?

>> No.21708142

>>21708017
>Americans view any affection between male friends as homosexuality
>Americans view creating your own values as trans
Americans are mentally ill subhumans.

>> No.21708145

>>21708017
We already knew Nietzsche wrote for and was a faggot

>> No.21708213

>>21708017
Why do so many people feel the need to inject honosexuals into everything. It's very strange. Everyone is a repressed gay and they try to find a way to make everyone out to be gay.

>> No.21708355

>>21708213
Bisexuality is the standard for humans. Heterosexuality is a meme pushed by you know who.
>>21708126
your caricature actually sounds like a fun guy

>> No.21708360

>>21708355
Wrong. Homosexuality is a degeneration that pursues pleasure as an end.

>> No.21708365

>>21708360
>str8s don't have seks for pleasure

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>>21708017
The mods will sadly leave this thread up
>>21708355
>Bisexuality is the standard for humans
Sexuality is the standard for humans. It's fragile and can be warped by the correct stimuli. Still though, most every human is geared naturally towards preferring the opposite sex
>>21708365
Homos have sex only for pleasure

>> No.21708379

>>21708365
Any heterosexual that has sex is either having sex for procreation or being degenerate. Homosexuals by nature desire something that will never be generative.

>> No.21708394

>>21708028
fpbp

>> No.21708552

>>21708028
Fobp

>> No.21708756

>>21708017
It's true.

I was astral projecting back in time and personally witnessed Nietzsche bottoming out and having gay sex with Karl Marx. He was wearing a dress and everything. That's why they always pretending the other didn't exist and refused to critique each other.

>> No.21708817

>>21708017
>female ubermensch
lol
lmao even

>> No.21709118

>>21708126
Because it's dorky and wimpy. Literally, the keyword is "anime."

>> No.21709123

>Testosterone is supposed to be an extraneous reward as an accomplishment of a mental activity, not an inherent biological privilege espoused by the emotions of your beliefs.
Holy fucking retard LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO what?

>> No.21709131

>>21708145
I’ve only seen one scholar ever posit the “Nietzsche was a closet homo” theory and his case was very weak.
There’s no evidence for it, and a good amount of evidence against it (his marriage proposal to Lou Salome).

>> No.21709134

>>21708213
Same reason trannies are always trying to encourage other people to become trans, same reason cults are always recruiting, same reason people are always trying to get others into the same hobbies they have, etc.
When there’s some part of your identity that’s really important to you but also somewhat rare, you want to recruit other people into the same thing, as a way of validating yourself and your decisions.

>> No.21709175

>>21708028
Fpmbp

>> No.21709206

you have to be 18 to use this site anon

>> No.21709221
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>>21708017
Anon... Nietzsche's ubermensch is a bloodthirsty murderer who does not have regrets about killing those he wants to kill.
anything beyond this is just fluff. It's all about killing other human beings

>> No.21709251

>A male who is 6'8, has high amounts of testosterone concentration and big muscle mass, with a big jawline, and etc. can not ever and will NEVER qualify as Ubermensch, because all he will do is obsess over people who are short and low in testosterone.

>Tops that are 6'8 with high amounts of testosterone concentration, big muscle mass, big jawlines, etc. do exist. These are what 4chan calls "masc fags" and to Nietzsche they are a big fat NO to his ideal.

>Testosterone is supposed to be an extraneous reward as an accomplishment of a mental activity, not an inherent biological privilege espoused by the emotions of your beliefs.
I don't get it

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>Tops are giant chasers
>Bottoms are trannies
>Versatiles and bisexuals are the only sane faggots
You could have just simplified your thread to this and everyone would have understood it bro

>> No.21709363

>>21708017
>>21708064
quite possibly the dumbest interpretation of Nietzsche ever posted on 4chan

>> No.21709487

This is the most masterfully crafted bait I've ever read on /lit/.

>> No.21709772

>Testosterone is supposed to be an extraneous reward as an accomplishment of a mental activity, not an inherent biological privilege espoused by the emotions of your beliefs.
MY SIDES

>> No.21710524

>>21708017
>rather in the sense of "I am a nerd at nature and animals and have a high IQ in Greek philosophy and math! I love playing Pizza Tower and laughing at it's humor. Also I want to watch anime!" This phrase sounds perfectly male-- but in the sensual kind of way
Lmao, obvious troll post

>> No.21710538

>>21708017
I discount any philosophy that relates to gender.

>> No.21710639

>>21708017
Nietzsche's ubermensch was essentially the ideal man, the only thing related to sex and the ubermensch would be procreation, which you cannot do with two men. Anything he talked about in "feminizing" their traits was not in a sexual manor.