/lit/ - Literature

Moldbug
Hanania

>>22226828
Who's moldbug? Can't look them up

>>22226828
Are you kidding? Your favorite substacks are culture war zines?

>>22226816
I've been reading is "Novum", which is alright. Though im fairly certain the author is a Marxist, or leans that way, but still has some interesting ideas

>>22226828
>stalebug
>hanoonia
Vomit.

>>22226849
>Moldbug
>culture war
Lmao

>>22226949
All political writers are pawns of the culture war, and anyone whose favorite reading is that sort of propaganda is an npc

There are two good local anons that post from time to time.
I won't to post as to not be accused of shilling, but I enjoyed them both enough as to maybe inspiring me to start my own thing.

>>22226967
Okay well
That's just like your opinion man

>>22226969
Anyone whose only response to disagreement is reciting dated pop culture references is undoubtedly also an npc. Have an original thought if you're capable of it

>>22226972
>Have an original thought
You first.

>>22226828
>>22226844
A jew that says the elite has no character. Don't bother.

>>22226980
>says the elite has no character
???

Check out my substack lads. (Don't worry I don't charge for shit)

https://anamnesiac.substack.com/

>>22226985
That the elite is a random mix-up of people with no correlation to a particular group.
He's a jew so of course he pushes that garbage.

>>22227449
This is really bad. Try thoroughly studying philosophy instead of making pretentious blog posts.

Theodore Atkinson, who talks about preparing for a possible future collapse in a non-schizo way.
Rob Henderson, a psychologist who talks aboutehuman nature, psychology, social class, TV shows, movies, political and social divisions, and so on. Most known for pioneering the concept of "luxury beliefs".
Philip Traylen who writes his personal journal there.
Some of the lit guys:
Michael Z.
Tooky's mag (great for https://tookys.substack.com/p/i-have-no-life-and-i-must-larp))
Minimag
Currently, I am very stressed.

>>22226816
What do people think of Mythpilot?

Has anybody here tried releasing fiction on their Substack? I feel like it could be possible. Like doing it on Blogspot back in the day. If you had a decent social media presence you could work to promote it and get regular email subscribers.

Of course Elon fucking nuked the link previews for Substack on Twitter out of supreme pettiness, which puts a damper on the whole thing.

>>22227658
I doubt that it would work unless you produce a series of short stories that can be published in 1-2 posts. People on substack mostly want digestible 4-5 min reads about a single topic.

>>22227658
You got a single serialized novel or short stories/flash fics?

>>22227823
I've got a few big books that I've thought of serializing.

>>22227577
Why’s it bad? Explain

>>22227826
Substack could work for you but you'd need to think strategically how you would get people to find you. People I follow who have books will often release the first few chapters and then just have a link at the bottom of all their posts to amazon/free epub of it. They then post essays, book reviews, whatever the rest of the time so a steady flow of people can discover them. So I'd agree with other anon that just posting your book straight will probably not be a winning formula on substack, maybe on Royal Road.

Also in my experience you get a more new people checking you out with non-fic than fic on substack.

>>22226968
I will shill an anon for you
Tooky's Mag is really well put together and I appreciate the writer for the lengths he went to in cultivating, or really, asserting, a particular style for his zine. I don't know what his sub count is, but I believe he's growing.

>>22227658
People trying to publish serial fiction or periodically released stories are really limited in terms of options. Royal Road is enitrely lowest common denominator fiction, and there's no appetite at all for fiction aiming higher than, I want to say pulp but that's unnecessarily diminishing of good pulp.
You can try Substack, as there's enough interest in fiction criticism or aggregation, but I have not personally seen it become successful. I know of one woman who is serializing a novel but most of her output seems to be criticism. Maybe a variety mag that publishes fiction and also culture pieces.

https://tikhanovlibrary.substack.com/
Don't forget to like, share, and retweet. Currently serializing Alexis de Tocqueville's writings on Algeria, and next up is going to be F.T. Marinetti's Mafarka.

>>22227653
I actually don't care for his work, but he seems to he a rising star

>>22228019
No one needs a fucking shit version of Mafarka, retard

>>22226816
This guy captures the zeitgeist of the lonely western male

http://adolfstalin.substack.com

>>22227652
I am also a fan of Michael Z. https://micz.substack.com

>>22228221
Stop spamming your schlock, fag

https://voluntaryfool.substack.com/

>>22228227
I'm not Micheal Z, but I do enjoy reading his substack whenever he posts. I did find it off of this board a few months ago, but I don't think I've seen him push it here since. If you really think this is schlock, send me your substack, anon. I would love it if I had more substacks to read.

>>22228081
You're right, I should write another think-piece about AI or Trump or something. My mistake.

>>22226828
lol

>>22227449
>https://anamnesiac.substack.com/
maybe you should write this all out in a journal first then take the best stuff
also diamond cut the grammar please
or at the very least read it aloud to yourself before dumping it on potential readers
>This follows from two stipulations, both of which I think should be rather uncontroversial, though some people I have argued with have attempted to deny the latter in order to save themselves from the more pantheistic conception of God that I am offering here.
you see the problems here?

>>22227449
Too much purple prose for no reason other than trying to make yourself 'feel' like a good writer. Also you clearly have little actual knowledge when it comes to pretty much any of the things you write about. Kudos for actually putting your shit out there though, most armchair intellectuals on here will never ever do that.

>>22226816

Mine

https://joshwayne.substack.com/

Also, I read some of the posts of a guy who followed me last time there was one of these threads, I thought they were pretty funny. A review of newly released books type thing.

https://milesofwriting.substack.com/

>>22226816
https://secondcitybureaucrat.substack.com/
https://niccolo.substack.com/
https://whitepapersinstitute.substack.com/

>>22228249
Why do you have a username on an imageboard?

Not an obscure pick at all but this article from Erik Hoel was the one that got me to go through the trouble of making a substack account https://www.theintrinsicperspective.com/p/why-we-stopped-making-einsteins

>>22228325
not clicking your links unless you sell me on them first

>>22228325
jews that get paid by Peter Theil

>>22228398
scientific cults of personality are made by the media and historians not schools or tutors. that was such a dumb article.

>>22228548
The point is not the hero worship but the actual practical knowledge. I've seen it first hand that kids don't learn nearly as quickly in a mass lecture environment. Kinda crazy to think otherwise

>>22227973
>Maybe a variety mag that publishes fiction and also culture pieces.

Do any of those even exist any more? And do any of them even bother serializing longer works?

It's killing me because back in the day this was a major thing. Dickens got famous in the first place for the serialized release of The Pickwick Papers. War & Peace was initially serialized. Fucking Ulysses was originally serialized.

Serialization of longer works prior to their being published in full used to be extremely common, but now there seems to be almost no venue for it. This is driving me insane because I really think it would be a great key to get people to appreciate good new works by good new writers. That I hope to be one such writer myself only adds to my frustration. There just doesn't seem to be any magazine or newspaper or website that does it any more. Hence my wonder about trying Substack.

>>22228691
Well, there's always &amp. I think a couple novels were serialized there. It's a shame that the literary culture has followed the other arts in this regard. The chase for ruthless efficiency, the trimming of fat, regardless of how much flavor it adds to the whole experience. Interesting things are only pursued by those with a lot of time and energy, who will also dedicate this surplus to a profitless endeavour.

>>22228722
How's &amp doing, circulation-wise? For being "4chan's literary magazine," is it doing any good numbers?

>>22228748
I'm not privy, but I'm thinking it can't be. It's actually a pretty good magazine in terms of editing a production, but it's pretty hard to find and you need to go on a scavenger hunt to find the latest release. And even then, they don't care about reaching people outside this rather slow 4channel board, so there's a lowish ceiling there. I think the /lit/ mag with the highest circulation is probably minimag, but the editor doesn't seem like a serialized fiction sort of guy.

>>22228249
> Existential Crisis Actor
Great title, bookmarked

>>22228757
Yeah. There basically seems to be no venue that has the right combination of a willingness to take a chance on serialization and a decent audience. Hence me circling back around to Substack. I've got a decent social media presence, so I'm not completely bereft of the capacity to promote each new chapter as it comes out, every week or two or three. And Substack really does have a lot of bells and whistles as far as formatting goes. It even has the ability to publish poetry. Not to mention new subscribers signing up for email updates is a breeze on it.

The more I think about it, the more I think it might be my best option for serializing the first book in the big story I've been working on. It's not IDEAL, but maybe I'm not going to FIND ideal in 2023. Publishing's not what it used to be.

>>22228290
I don’t see a problem with that sentence. Long sentences, Victorian prose is the kind of stuff I like.
>>22228307
What knowledge did I miss that could’ve improved what I wrote?

>>22227965
You got one of them. Tooky and the poetry guy.
micz or something like that.
I'm kinda glad they some sort of lit community is developing off-site. Local/discord autism tends tends to kill most projects here.

>>22228784
Do think about my suggestion regarding strategy and not just doing straight fic and treating it like a newsletter since many people miss particular release emails. Look at what others are doing >>22227963

Also as other anons said you could try publishing simultaneously in &amp or some of the others. You would be surprised how cool most people are with publishing one thing across multiple places so long as it is of quality and genre appropriate

The only /lit/ writer worth reading is James Krake author of Five to Four, Infinite Money Glitch, Fertilizer Wars, Ship of Fuls, The Undying Emperor ongoing series, many brilliant short stories, Faceless, and a new book available for pre-order on Amazon

>>22226816
I follow Joseph Bronski, Jolly Heretic, Emil Kierkegaard, and a few others

Richard Spencer and Mark Brahmin are BTFOing the Yahwist psy-op at Alexandria

>>22227652
Tooky’s isn’t shit
(I was paid to say this)

>>22229548
>You would be surprised how cool most people are with publishing one thing across multiple places
this, cross-promotion won't hurt nobody

>>22222222

>>22226949
>thinking moldbug is not culture war
>fell for the “grey tribe” meme

>>22226816
somebody I knew in college now has a substack. she just got a tattoo of a heart-shaped lock between her tits. always thought she was hot. I won’t link it here.

>>22230337
>I won’t link it here.
then why the fuck would you bring it up you little cock tease

>>22226816
https://cdeserto.substack.com/

I posted mine on the last thread and got some good feedback. Again, criticism is welcomed.

Some substacks that I like:
https://www.mythpilot.com/
https://billionairepsycho.substack.com

>>22228398
This one is nice. Thank you.
>>22230683
Occasional substack threads seem to be great

Why can't hardly anyone in this thread write an actual pitch?!?! Don't just poop out a link guys

>>22226828
Unqualified Reservations is leagues better than Gray Mirror and Hanania is a subversive faggot.

Dave Greene posts thoughtful essays that focus on cultural and metapolitical critique from a traditionalist or reactionary perspective.
https://fiddlersgreene.substack.com/

>>22226816
J'accuse has the best and sharpest satire of UK Politics going
https://www.jaccusepaper.co.uk/

The ONLY substack I occasionally go to is astral codex ten, used to be slate star codex, however I do NOT recommend anyone actually read his trash. I only read it as an exercise in hate-masturbation, because he's so obviously wrong on almost everything he posts in that stereotypical neo liberal Foreign Affaris globohomo rAtIoNaLiSt way. The only exception is some of his book reviews, and only because the books themselves are interesting, because his reviews are usually wrong about everything other than that the book he's reviewing is interesting and worth a look.

Frankly, any time spent reading substack would be better spent re-reading a classic. You're not going to find the next Voltaire on there.

>>22231122
Based. Scott Alexander is one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever had the misfortune of reading.

>>22231122
>just never read anything less than 100 years old!
People like you are why modern culture is a wasteland

>>22231152
You KNOW why modern culture is a wasteland, and it has nothing to do with me recognizing that and telling people to read classics instead. If you honestly don't know, then start by reading John Taylor Gatto.

>>22230991
if they knew how to market themselves they wouldn't be writing on substack!

>>22227658
I remember a conversation, I think between Tooky and Michael Z, where they talked views and numbers and I think a mixture of lit and some discords and whatnot adds up to about 250 views per post. Although apparently substack readers generally stay and read new posts, which is much better then a blog imo.
You decide if that's good enough though.

>>22231418
Really? I remember he said 500. Maybe it was 250 new?
Or maybe they get more readers now.
Whatever

>>22229548
The thing is, I've used my Substack for nonfiction before, mostly reposting old essays and occasionally sharing bits of fiction and poetry I've written.

I don't exactly prefer Substack but it seems like the best of a somewhat limited pool of options for releasing fiction these days given the difficulties breaking into tradpub.

>>22230991
I'll bite:
I'm a translator and trying to get a publishing house off the ground. I copy paste things that I'm working on/have finished from time to time. Don't really bother with original writing because I don't want to potentially alienate any normies or get targeted by alphabet agencies, but I sometimes post poems and meditations and whatnot. I'm terrible at keeping a schedule, responding to e-friends, and so on. All writing is done in bursts of inspiration punctuated by long periods of nothing, that said... >>22228019

I've been working on both Mafarka and Gilles, at the moment. Mafarka is further along, but it needs more polishing and is overall a slower work to translate because of F.T. Marinetti's insane purple prose. I don't want to release anything until I've polished that turd of a novel into something at least coming close to Marinetti's hypersensual word salad. So in between chapters, I've been translating Gilles, which is a much more conventional novel. I'm about five or six chapters in, so I'll be trying to post a chapter every week until such a point that any prospective readers will be hooked and thereby forced into giving me money for the whole thing. Its also a good excuse for proofreading, in any case.

https://tikhanovlibrary.substack.com/p/gilles-pierre-drieu-la-rochelle
Gilles is the semi-autobiographical story of the life of Gilles Gambier, a misanthropic french whoremonger who hates humanity almost as much as he hates himself. Coming home from the front, and half disappointed at not having been killed in battle, he resolves to marry a rich Jewish woman for her money. He gets involved with the surrealists, but eventually drifts away from them towards fascism. Then he runs away to join the Spanish civil war.

From wikipedia:
>The French critic Gaëtan Picon wrote: "Gilles (1939) is, without any doubt, one of the greatest novels of the century—and one of those books in which the disarming sincerity of a man rises to the grandeur usually reserved to literary transpositions."[2]

The author is most famous for his novel Le Feu Follet, about a heroin addicted womanizer who resolves to kill himself. Unsurprisingly, he did kill himself, shortly after the liberation of Paris from the Nazis. Like most writers of that milieu he remains pretty much untouched and ignored in English, but he is still widely read in France. Gilles is his most famous novel, and has never previously been translated.

>>22233207
Very cool, Anon. Have a subscription. When money isn't so tight, I'll make a donation.

I write a diary. The bar is low, don't get too excited, but I welcome your feedback. Here's my biggest effort post so far.

https://seanfranks.substack.com/p/why-ai-cultists-hate-artists-and

>>22228145
No he writes like a /pol/tard and has no depth of thought

>>22233207
Stop using DeepL for your translations.

>>22228324
Appreciate the plug, man. Put out some more work so I can read your stuff.

>>22233831
Garbage

Morgoth

>>22233207
looks very cool! good luck, I'll be reading. I dream of funding some small scale publishing of Norwegian translations of French lit later in life

>>22233662
>Stop using DeepL for your translations.
That an AI? Prior?

>>22231056
>Hanania is a subversive faggot
Exactly what makes him fun

crumpstack, of course

so substacks are like podcasts but for the just as middlebrow le rationalism folks and adjacent Peter thief people?

>>22235009
>middlebrow le rationalism folks and adjacent Peter thief people?
I don't know what a substack is and I don't know what this means.

>>22231178
>only read 100 year old Texas
>also read conserva-boomer books!
Uh huh

>>22233662
Make me nerd. Although I'm curious, what gave it away?

>>22234785
It's a pretty sophisticated AI translating software that uses neural networks to generate context-based translations, which is to say that it's able to translate words based on the surrounding text... As opposed to Google translate which generally fails to catch basic ambiguities in the language.

I use it to do most of the heavy lifting, and then go back and clean up in areas where it failed to capture the overall flow of the paragraph, or the author used rare Latin/Greek/Whatever words for effect that then got dumbed down to a lower level English approximation, in French gendered articles are sometimes mistranslated or misused, turns of phrase and proper nouns as well. Its not uncommon for DeepL to drop entire sentences from the translation either, so I go back and add what was dropped. Sometimes I drop superfluous paragraphs or sentences myself, rearrange them, or just invent stuff and throw it into the translations because copyright law. It's an interesting domain at the moment, and in many ways a serious legal gray area that (imo) allows for small/independent publishers to swoop in and produce a lot of really original work while the big companies hold back and wait for these matters to be settled in the courts.

In my experience it's not inferior to human translation at all. Reading passages from Mafarka (there was an out of print out of circulation translation published in the 90s and some excerpts are available online, alongside piece translations that are featured in a couple of academic essays from the 70s and 80s), most prior translators simply opted to drop entire paragraphs that were somewhat tricky, or for personal preference, or from lack of skill. I'm not trying to produce a masterpiece of creative writing that outshines the original, I'm simply trying to make these works available in as close an approximation as possible to the original.

>>22231106
I'm not even Bri'ish so I likely miss 80% of the references, but I love this shit. I miss Britpopperposting like you wouldn't believe. You wouldn't happen to have the Hugh! autobio ad saved, anon?

>>22235232
Non-Western pro-vaxx race realist libertarians

>>22235817
>pro-vaxx
dropped

Second City Bureaucrat - Writes on contemporary politics with reactionary perspective
https://secondcitybureaucrat.substack.com/

Pope Head - esoterica with catholic characteristics
https://popehead.substack.com/

eugyppius - Autistic German biochemist. Originally focused on Euro health policy, now writes about German & euro politics.
https://www.eugyppius.com/

Tracking People's Daily - A daily breakdown of all news articles published by the People's Daily
https://trackingpeoplesdaily.substack.com/

Big Serge - Military historian, discusses military strategies & campaigning.
https://bigserge.substack.com/

RWA Sazmidat - Collection of essays written in English by actual Russians concerning Russian attitudes on geopolitics and history.
https://rwasamizdat.substack.com/

>>22236404
Very cool collection, Thanks for sharing.

>>22227658
johnjaystancliff.substack.com
Fedbook guy does it

>>22226816

https://simplicius76.substack.com/

https://kirschsubstack.com/

https://igorchudov.substack.com/

https://alexberenson.substack.com/

>>22235816
I don't, I'm afraid

>>22236404
>Rwa
>sarge
However much I wanted to like these guys their consistently wrong predictions and constant dispensation of cope to deal with said wrong predictions got tiresome.


>>22228221
Was going to post this guy.
A little bit and miss but the good stuff is really good

>>22227449
>open first blog post
>read first sentence
>it contains words like ''precondition"
>recognize your midwittery but try to still find some hope in you
>read second sentence
>come upon the word "seldom"
>close the tab
>write this post
nigger

>>22226816
jdemeta

>>22228362
why don't you?

>>22237151
>Was going to post this guy.

On the one hand it feels very minor, but on the other I like that he's not writing epic poems about the end of civilization, or trying to be Keats or whatever.

So yeah, Hit and miss but I enjoyed it.

>>22236569
grim

>>22236569
Alex Berenson is a kike and celebrated the censorship of Alex Jones, so thanks but no thanks schlomo

>>22237175
Neither precondition nor seldom are particularly rare words. I'm honestly quite surprised at these criticisms levied against me in this thread: I never thought my prose was pretentious or impenetrable. But I suppose if this same criticism keeps recurring there must be something to it. I should try assuming a more informal prose-style in the future, I suppose.

hectoregbert.substack.com

>>22237435
even this post is turgid. you need to rethink your entire style bro

>>22237423
The vaxx-dooming is grim, but it’s better to be aware of grim but significant things that will affect most humans and most of society, and if you even play your cards right you can derive personal benefits from reacting to those changes preemptively in a strategic way (Nancy Pelosi recently bought oncology stocks)

>>22237431
He is my least favorite of the ones listed but he is sometimes a good source of coronovax-debacle related news and related legal/court stuff, albeit not as good as Steve Kirsch

>>22237256
i keep thinking about his "the pillars of civilization".

>>22233662
whats the problem with DeepL?

>>22227449
what >>22228290 said. brevity is the soul of wit (i dont care if thats not the original saying)

that doesnt mean you cant use those words, but to someone such as myself, who cannot comprehend such dense prose, it doesnt read well, and id harken to what the other responses have said to you. complicated language can be good, but you gotta water that shit down, see what you're trying to say at heart - and then let the big words replace what would otherwise be a 4 word layout, as i see it, youre using big words when you dont need to, which makes you look stupid.

>>22237435
>nor
>particularly
>levied
>impenetrable
>recurring
BRO PUT DOWN THE THESAURUS FFS. Haha fr like turn your brain off ong bro

id be happy to see anons opinion on the following

I think scientific 'factual' perfection is an endless rabbit hole of discoveries, later eclipsed by more discoveries - and because of this it will never exist, there will always be some unresolved hole that needs to be filled or inspected.
But I do believe artistic, and brief perfection, exists, in a fluctuation.
Consider life, highlighted by moments of emotional clarity, that only exist due to it's blemishes, through these that 'a perfection' is achieved. For one to find themselves fulfilled, the moment requires they have been unfufilled prior. The eye of the beholder choses when perfection is achieved, it is shaped through his past experiences and present opinion, for him to be satisfied he must have previously been dissatisfied and must be further dissatisfied in the future (though perhaps not living in hell), the nature of all men.

In the fable of Snow White we may find one of the most well encompassing examples, The Apple. If there were ever to be a platonic ideal of an apple, it would be found in Snow White. Bright, glistening, a solid, bold red, such that it might in any other situation be considered uncanny, in the mind's eye one might even imagine it to have a curved stem paired with perhaps a single, healthy green leaf, a symbol of it's natural formation, mother's guiding hand towards absolute perfection. However, it is the singular, devastating imperfection upon The Apple, that carves it's complete magnificence into the minds of all readers, it's deadly poison, and I mean real dead-ly, "an eternal sleep awaits any who bite the apple" sounds a lot like death, no? It is through this poison, that the significance of the apple is solidified. Were it not for this, it would be just another apple, sure that might be redundant it would literally be "just another apple, a nice one sure, wow look at that." but it would not be captivating, it would not be alive in the mind and in a meta sense - the perfect apple is "the apple that trumps all other apples", sure you could logically say "this apple is the best there is, no colour as bright, no flesh as nutritious, no flavor grander", "my apple is better than yours times infinity!" - who fucking cares? That means nothing narratively, literally or spiritually "truely, we must all strive to be like a perfect apple, no?" No. What really makes The Perfect Apple, is the price.
The blood.
The cost.
After all, what would there be to imply it is of any significance? The price Snow White pays. To taste the perfection of The Apple, one must also suffer it's curse.

>>22237560
Again I like that it's just a self-conscious guy sitting on the hillside feeling stupid, and yet he brings in Greek mythology, and even Freud at the end there, maybe.
And despite that it's wrapped in a perfectly metrical construction.

He should do more light verse. I think that worked out really well. And I like how he appears to have an actual social life rather than writing about how pretty girls don't want to fuck him.

>>22226816
https://prolsci.substack.com/p/1488-ghz-silicon-valley

definitely a /lit/izen

>>22238323
real cornball shit

>>22238289
Ok I looked at him. It's fine. Not bad.
I think his first poem is by far the best.

>>22233642
I got one subscriber from this thread, but barely any extra views. Interesting.

Peter Follansbee for some comfy 17th century New England joinery.

>>22238323
This is awesome but I don't know if I coild ever read more than like 1 in this style before I'd have a stroke

Technically my favourite cause I don't read substacks so I'll just shill mine.
https://myself.substack.com/

It's a mixture of short stories and rambly essays based upon my limited life experiences. I try to walk between being too quirky and too pretentious. Meditation, digital stalking and raves are a few of the topics I've talked about.
Working on a book so I doubt I'll post anything else there for a while but thought I'd post it cause I need to work on putting myself out there a bit.

>>22234811
it's been a year damn

https://cremieux.substack.com/

Swiss (I think) Jew race realist economist. Interesting arguments about things like lead as a driver for the achievement gap and his writing style has the sort of stuffy vitriol that you don't really see with many modern writers. His twitter is good too.

https://cremieux.substack.com/p/who-gets-exposed-to-lead

>>22233207
I haven't read Gilles, but de Tocqueville's letter. I found them very interesting, anon, thank you for sharing and want to read more of them. I hope for the best for you. Good luck.
On a side note...
>>22235757
I am an independent translator as well, but so far have only been using a text editor/processor + pdf reader on the side combo. Can you elucidate more on how you use DeepL?

Eggreport is the only one worth reading. Everyone else is desperately trying to be moldbug, a retard, or both.

>>22240182
Thanks anon, I appreciate the kind words.

For using DeepL, it's going to depend on what language you're translating from. Every language is going to have clear structural differences from English. For example, most of the books I am translating are from French, so often DeepL will misgender characters when translating the word "lui", or will have difficulties with the particle "y". This is a natural result of linguistic differences, but is easy to correct with basic proofreading.

More major issues are ones of linguistic complexity and localization. In Mafarka, for example, F.T. Marinetti likes to make use of a lot of obscure Latin-derived words. Lauve, for example, in referring to a lion. DeepL does a commendable job of translating this as "lion", but the use of lauve is just as archaic in French as it is in English, so I decided to preserve it as-such. This differs depending on the author, but it's something to be aware of. Generally DeepL will tend to reduce linguistic complexity in it's translations, which makes sense considering that it's working on a statistical model that trends towards a certain commonly-understandable level of writing, but reduces the impact of conscientiously obtuse authors who are using archaic or obscure words for an intended impact.

For localization, there are a number of words, concepts, and figures of speech which are simply untranslatable. The chapter of Gilles I posted, for example, references a fourragère. I think this was translated as "braid" or "string" by DeepL, which is correct, but doesn't have the cultural significance that fourragère does in French. In cases like this there are generally two options: to change the reference entirely to something different, but similar enough not to impact the story, or to preserve the word in its original language. Personally I prefer the later option, but it's entirely a matter of taste. Another common issue is proper names. In Gilles the Comédie-Française is simply referred to as 'la française'. For a Parisian audience, this reference is immediately understandable. For an English audience, not so much. In Mafarka there is a chapter concerning an assault of "War Giraffes". This was alternatively translated as "War Giraffes", "giraffes of war", and "girafes de guerre". Any of these options would have been fine, but it reads poorly to have all three presented in sequence, so you need to pick one and stick to it. In de Tocqueville some of the regions of Algeria are given French names, which are translated into English approximations. Since they are proper names, they had to be reverted back to the French spelling.

Finally, the flow of any particular language is going to differ in subtle ways. Sometimes sentences need to be re-arranged, sometimes alternative words need to be used to avoid ugliness in the flow of the sentence, sometimes punctuation needs to be added or removed.

>>22240420
One glaring example of the shortcomings of AI translation I came across while editing for a critical edition of Wang Huning's America Against America (stay tuned): Wang Huning would often try to approximate English words by coining phrases in Chinese. For example, one chapter is titles something like "Native Landscapes", and talks at length about "The American Native Landscape" and how terrible it is. On reading the chapter, it's obvious that he's referring to the "American Heartland", but since this is a term that doesn't have an obvious equivalent in Chinese, he had to coin a term by joining together several Chinese characters. Then once it's translated back into English, it comes out somewhat bizarre, because you're effectively translating a term from English into Chinese and then back into English. This appears quite often. A glaring example is his use of the word "精神" throughout the book. This is a nod towards Hegel, and "精神" has almost exactly the same meaning in Chinese as "Geist" does in German. Huning even jokes about this point. English, however, doesn't have a parallel term, so "精神" is translated as alternatively "mind", "spirit", "soul", and so on, and the distinctly Hegelian meaning of these words is lost.

Another thing I noticed was, while referring to American politics, Huning says that it resembles "乌合之众", which is translated as "Aggregate Mob". This is actually a nod towards Gustav Le Bon's popular book "Psychologie des Foules", which is translated into Chinese as "乌合之众:大众心理研究" and in English as "The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind". However, the reference isn't immediately obvious, and the entire paragraph comes off as nonsensical. This is easily fixed by changing the translation to "The Crowd" and putting in a footnote about the reference to Le Bon's book, but it requires a certain amount of critical reading and research. Huning also makes occasional references to Chinese poetry, in particular from neo-confucianists, which is completely missed by DeepL.

Personally I like to work paragraph by paragraph, with references to dictionaries and encyclopedias when needed. You can certainly run an entire book through DeepL and get something semi-readable, but machines are only capable of so much. You need to play the role of a critical reader, so you can be sure to accurately capture what the author is intending to say within the linguistic/cultural/historical context of their work.

>>22228221
Ok so this guy clearly shows there is some audience for classical poetry.
That's quite exciting. I may give this substack thing a try after all.

I wish hed post more often.

>>22240182
Oh, also, it's worthwhile having at least a cursory understanding of how these programs work. My (basic, primitive) understanding is that they are using basically a form of statistical modeling to predict best results based on past data (and, in this case, surrounding words in a chunk of text). This tends towards a mathematical norm of commonly used words, which is both a blessing and a curse for translations. It's a blessing because the translations come out, by design, in very clear and neutral language. It's a curse because some authors are writing not to be clear and neutral, but to be intentionally verbose or to effect a style. In any case, human discretion is needed.

This video series is somewhat old, but it does a better job of explaining how this all works than I could ever hope to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk

>>22240560
Appears to be on holiday.
Have a good rest anon.

>>22226816
Dave Greene, The Distributist
Moldbug
Morgoth's Review

the only substacks i read semi-regularly are martin/cosmist and bleppsamas. martin for the comfy translations, blepp for the 'hes just like me' catharsis

>>22240857
>Dave Greene, The Distributist
Dadcore kino

>22239490
>I don't read substack, but read my substack
Why lead with this confession?

>>22237560
That's my favorite of his too

>>22226816
This group is cool, glad to see they’re back to posting

https://thepharmakon.substack.com/

>>22226828
Moldbug is just exhausting

Nothing he writes is interesting enough to be worth reading his book-length essays.

>I think we shouldn't have democracy and there's probably a way to make autocracy work but I won't do anything to actually advance my ideas irl

Wow great thx dawg

>>22240420
>>22240590
Thanks, anon. If I can bother you for some time more, can you recommend some resources to get better at translating?

>>22241728
The problem with Moldbug is not his ideas at all but his writing style. He leads you through an exhaustive tour of obscure and tangentially related topics to prove his predetermined point. I say this as someone who basically agrees with the dude

>>22242216
I got started by taking a couple of Latin classes in college. Unlike other language fields, Latin has a heavy focus on the technical aspects of the language and also on rote translation, so you will find yourself forced to translate passages from different writers over and over again, and in a very rigorous way. This is good training for translating from other languages, learning fundamental linguistic concepts, and also appreciating the foundations of western literature. If it's an option, you may want to consider enrolling in a classical language course. Avoid classes on modern languages, literature, and translation, unless you want to waste time spinning your wheels without getting anywhere.

Personally I think the field of "translation studies" is a fruitless endeavor for rich eggheads. Probably the most fruitful course of action would be to read literary theory, Borges is the best and Umberto Eco is also a popular option. In terms publishing, Roberto Calasso's The Art of the Publisher is a short but fruitful read. It helps to think of translation as an original work: you're taking a book from one language, and adopting it to another language. No different than how Shakespeare took from Ovid and adopted it to stage.

Legally speaking, you should make a point of studying copyright law, but as a rule of thumb: the more you depart from the original work (and the more you depart from other translations of that work), the more protected you are from copycats. Adding entire paragraphs, re-arranging the sequence of dialogue, even re-writing events to how you feel they "should" have happened will all work in your favor in the event of copyright dispute. I generally try to ask myself two things: is this what the author meant, and can an alternative interpretation or wording be more interesting to modern audiences? You're trying to sell books, so don't be afraid to take liberties.

As a final note, I'd also say that translation is going through a world-historical event with the adoption of AI. There are no clear laws currently in place, no precedents for how this works, and for the most part the interesting technical developments are happening within the fields of mathematics and computer science, not in literature or foreign language departments. This means that we are somewhat on our own, and need to forage our own paths independent of how things have traditionally been done. Play around with different software, take the time to understand the underlying mathematical concepts at work, and don't be afraid to take chances. You'll learn more from the process of trying to translate documents, finding what works, what doesn't, pouring over dictionaries, encyclopedias, and biographies, and actively trying to put yourself in the mind of the author who's work you're adopting, than you will in any book or class. Get out there and make mistakes, put your work up for criticism, fail a couple of times, and eventually you'll find what works for you.

>>22242310
The only redeeming thing about Moldbug is his prose. Without it he'd be just be another talking head wining about fags on the fox news circus.

>>22233207
fascinating, thank you anon

>>22226844
Mencius Moldbug, AKA Curtis Yarvin, far-right intellectual in a similar vein as Nick Land. I believe his substack is Gray Mirror.

>>22227653
Kino. essay on Lampedusa recently was excellent, he seems to have a great ability to understand the spirit of literature

>>22243550
Great, thanks, I hope to communicate with you again at some point in the future. Borges also helped me a little, especially his short story "Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote". I never thought about applying literary theory to translation, maybe that's something people learn in college or something like that.

>>22228145
This is complete garbage. So many errors, so little nuance.

>>22246632
First time meeting old Adolf, eh? I guess you're not a /wg/ regular.

Speaking of which i should make a substack that just rips apart /wg/ writing samples called "Progression Dysentery"

>>22237435
https://www.robertchristgau.com/

get. it. right.

>>22241728
I find him fascinating. There aren't many writers today who will actually take you on a walk through their thought, why one thing leads to another. There's no "experts say," or "we looked at the data," just actual educated wisdom. What I wouldn't give to write Gentle Introduction or Open Letter.

>>22237435
also : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style

strunk and white is probably the bible for anyone wanting to write anything. read it, study it, love it, and you will not be sorry.

>>22246902
based

>>22246863
>/wg/ regular.

If writing my own substack made me more attractive to pretty girls I'd make one immediately.

>>22229113
>>22237889
Samefagging won't save yourself. I'm actually in the know here: no one else clicked your link, just me. Not only that, but only (you) would think two more would click it AND offer opinions defending your unreadable trash =\

But this is a learning experience. You can't, in fact, get away with bullshit. I'm watching.

>>22247005
Short term it won't. Long term, there is a huge amount of hot young things who fancy themselves intellectuals and if any of your writing is halfway sexually titillating you can make woman's parts tingle at scale, so it's not a bad idea. My hope is to coast on my good looks until my late thirties, and by then have an established reputation as a "serious intellectual" to pull in groupies with.

Shit, d'Annunzio fucked hundreds of women by writing down his horny fever dreams and staying in the spotlight. Power is the greatest aphrodisiac, and even frumpy Oscar-the-Grouch-looking coke heads like Zizek can consistently pull supermodels well into his old age.

>>22247005
/wg/ is trash
I don't say that b/c of 'their' opinions on my own writing, but because i've went through the trouble of reading what's posted there
maybe it's changed in the last 4 months but i doubt it
if you know you're good, you're not posting your shit there, you're getting it published
and no i dont mean in the jew yorker

>>22246902
>>22246916
No. Stop recommending this. You are a God damn double nigger. Neither of them have any conception of the difference between passive and active voice. Read Pullum and stop recommending these fucking clowns.
http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.pdf

Fisted Foucault is great.

Also test

>>22246609
Thanks anon. I think "Pierre Menard" is a great story to think of during translation, because you're effectively doing the work of Pierre Menard; re-writing an entire book for a different cultural and historical epoch, and even the the words might be the same, the meaning will inevitably be different. Feel free to write me anytime. I'm not always great at responding in a timely manner, but I've always enjoyed the correspondences I've met on /lit/.

>>22237435
The average /lit/izen is barely above chimpanzee in terms of literacy, don’t mind them.

Ok so just go into some of the early stuff posted here.

> Moldbug
Oscillates between schizophrenic nonsense and genuinely interesting ideas. Whatever you can say the man is one of those people who stumbles into good writing by virtue of his obscurity

> Tooky
Surprisingly sensible for a local

> Michael Z.
Really enjoyable. Poetry seems like a good match for the platform. I don't come there for 20,000 word essays.

> Second City Bureaucrat
A little out of my wheelhouse but perfectly enjoyable. It shouldn't be rare that I don't dismiss something on that platform is schizo nonsense but here we are.

> Pope Head
Schizo nonsense

> Big Serge
From what I read this guy seems heavy on predictions rather than commentary. Interesting but if I had the time I'd go back and see how right he's been so far.

> RWA
Oh god the GF listens to these cunts. It's them and Red Sacre. Not reading this but from the podcast I remember a lot of cope

>>22249630
I wish I had a gf to listen to red Sacre with me

Bump. This is anon's who's reading this chance to shill his own stack. WAGMI.

>>22252007
Highly recommend. Got fifty views from posting itt a couple days ago.

Lets start a literary movement bros.

Bump

>>22233865
based

Somehow I'm at 26 subscribers. I don't know how many are bot emails because only like 5 of them open my posts.

>>22253782
5 are probably bots then. Good job anon, getting 21 human subscribers.