/lit/ - Literature

>>22458629
Banana Yoshimoto wrote some cute stuff

>>22458629
Yasutaka Tsutsui is kino

Ihara Saikaku

Sakuma Boruzu

does fukuyama count

>>22458629
The guy who wrote Dragon Ball Z was a good writer.

*blocks your path*

>>22458629
If you do not think Kenzaburo Oe is good you should probably kys

>>22458629
Obligatory Mishima mention.

>>22459384
True

>>22459388
FUCK. YUKIO. MISHIMA. clown ahh writer

>>22458629
For me it's Emuri Dikasan and Faguto Opī

>>22459426
>ahh
You must be 18 or older to use this website, zoom zoom, be gone with you.

>>22458727
Yes Kentaro Muira, also known as Filthy Frank in his musical career

japan has good writers but no greats tbdesu

their literary tradition got developmentally stunted somehow

also translates worse than any language

>>22459384
My ex-boyfriend memed me into reading Oe and I think it gave him a bunch of weird fetishes

>>22459384
fuck you boyo, this pic made me re-watch half of L.A. Confidential

>>22459553
The Silent Cry?

>>22459580
Never seen it, is it worth it? it seemed a bit cheesy

>>22459438
Mishima was pretty talented. I don’t know if I’d say he was great but his oeuvre is more impressive than many Western writers who are sometimes considered great. Frankly, if you don’t think Mishima was a better novelist than like Thomas Pynchon or Don DeLillo then I just don’t care about your opinions.

>>22459826
It's great, one of my favorite movies ever. A bit of ham&cheese is part of its charm, it doesn't go full retard with it either.

false

>>22459836
mishima is leagues better than druggy neurotic jewish and WASP post-modernism, so you are right

>>22459388
>>22460048
Mishima fucking sucks

>>22460065
Why?

Osamu Dazai, Ryu Murakami, Dr.Junichi Saga. Pretty damn good.

>>22459434
Most gen z are 18 now. 2005 was 18 years ago

>>22458629
Shinmen Takezō, you dumb nigger.

>>22458629
>Book of 5 Rings

uhhhh Kumeta

Wait this is a reverse-psychology recc thread

Any books that capture the feel of peak akb48?

This is just a recommendation thread but yeah, Natsume Soseki's Kokoro is one of my favorite books.

No one has mentioned Haruki Murakami yet? For shame

>>22461854
This is bait? Right??

>>22461854
I just think he is neat.

>>22461885
No, I sincerely love his books. What's wrong with that?

>>22461887
He's exceedingly neat

>>22461891
I like his books too, but to consider Haruki Murakami as a "great Japanese author" is just ridiculous

>>22461902
Who is the greatest author of all time according to you? I feel a point of reference is required here.

>>22461902
I guess I have shit taste then

>>22461908
If you think H Murakami deserves to be placed next to Mishima, Dazai or Ryu Murakami, then you are simply retarded

>>22461908
He was too popular and modern at a time when /lit/'s identity was to read exclusively classics or relatively obscure books, which is why /lit/ is possibly the only place where Ryu Murakami is more well known than Haruki Murakami.
Also every one of his books is so long; even Norwegian Wood, one of his 'shorter' novels is over 500 pages.

Not a single mention of Murasaki Shikibu in this entire thread???

>>22461933
I haven't read any of these authors so I can't draw a comparison. I'm not as well read as most people here but I love surrealism and existentialism so HM is right up my alley.

>>22458629
Haruki murakami is a guilty pleasure.

Sayaka Murata :)

>>22459826
It pays homage to noir and old Hollywood without being overly cartoonish about it. The characters aren't very deep but it works because the setting is just as much of one.

>>22462102
Her other book that's been translated is pretty shit though. First 1/3 is good and it gets worse and worse up to the end.

>>22462115
Earthlings?
I loved it. I get you though. It definitely spiraled out of control by the end.

A collection of short stories was translated recently. Life Ceremony. It wasn't as extreme as Earthlings. Seems like she loves to do "what if X thing was not a taboo" stories

>>22458629
Why is it that seemingly no other country on Earth can produce decent female writers? You know, women who can write about things other than their pussies?

>>22462164
Earthlings isn't awful only because the first 1/3 or so of the book is great. Once the MC is grown up it's basically a thematic rehash of CSW except it's much less focused and has less to say. Somehow the ending comes off as both rushed and meandering at the same time. Besides that my biggest complaint would be that once the time lapse happens all other characters become flat. You can argue "unreliable pov/reflective of the MC's mental state" but I don't accept that--there's not enough nuance/sprinkled detail given for the reader to pick up on characters besides the MC and the MC doesn't have a lot going on that hasn't already been shown to the reader. Besides her everyone else is just stock, not flattened by the MC's perspective but just 2D stereotypes, and it makes the book less interesting.

>>22462253
Ah yes, who can forget all those pussy scenes in Frankenstein

>>22459553
What fetishes?

>>22459384
Correct opinion.

>>22458629
It's because they are Chinese-Jomon mutts and this combination killed their spirit

>>22462253
Canada has some good ones. Alice Munro, Margaret Lawrence, Mavis Gallant, and Marie-Claire Blais. But it's also responsible for Atwood and Poopi so I understand if you want to argue it's a wash.

>>22463694
Milk AND Honey? You must be American

>>22458629
三島由紀夫 潮騒 (Mishima Yukio; Sound of Waves)
夏目漱石 こころ (Natsume Souseki; Kokoro)
大江健三郎 性的人間 (Ooe Kenzaburo; Sexual Human)
吉川英治 宮本武蔵 (Eiji Yoshikawa; Miyamoto Musashi)
谷崎潤一郎 痴人の愛 (Tanizaki Junichirou; Naomi // Fool's Love)
石原慎太郎 太陽の季節 (Ishihara Shintarou; Season of the Sun)
島崎藤村 桜の実の熟する時 (Shimasaki Touson; When the Cherries Ripen)
川端康成 古都 (Kawabata Yasunari; The Old Capital)
大岡昇平 野火 (Oooka Shouhei; Fires on the Plain)

>>22458629
>all these posts
>no Sushaku Endo

Jesus.

>>22463721
All trash

>>22458629
The language was significantly simplified during the Meiji era in order to increase the literacy rate of the peasant masses.

>>22459438
There are very few poets that even begin to rival Santooka. Can be interpreted really neatly to my native tongue to boot.

>>22463934
>my native tongue
which is?

>>22463934
>男には涙なき悲哀がある、女には悲哀なき涙がある
He's not really all that good.

>>22464472
Why not?

>>22462253
Murasaki Shikibu

>>22458629
It's just not translated into English.
Ryotaro Shiba
Eiji Yoshikawa

Kyusaku Yumeno
Kyogoku Natsuhiko
Kiyoshi Kasai

Sakyo Komatsu
Toshihiko Yahagi
Kobo Abe
Yasutaka Tsutsui
Ryu Murakami

While light novels are translated into English one after another, the masterpieces of major authors with established historical reputations are not translated into English at all.

I enjoyed Nisioisin

Obvious bait on an anime board

>>22458629
>>22462253
Anons the first fictional novel ever written in the World is a harem grooming series, written by a Japanese woman. There is a reason the Japs don't hate lolis or haremshit because it's deeply rooted in their culture and history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Genji
Pic related is also a porn harem series inspired by Genji and is also written by a woman.

>>22458629
>>22462253
Anons the first fictional novel ever written in the World is a harem grooming series, written by a Japanese woman for women. There is a reason the Japs don't hate lolis or haremshit because it's deeply rooted in their culture and history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Genji
Pic related is a porn harem series inspired by Genji and is also written by a woman.

>>22464971
>Pic related is a porn harem series inspired by Genji
I refuse to believe such a thing exists.

>what is miyamoto musashi

>>22464978
>I refuse to believe such a thing exists.
It's erotica written by a woman what do you expect. FYI the series revolves around an aunt's attempt to groom her niece (protagonist) in becoming her ideal partner, the aunt is author's self-insert and she teaches him how to capture and fuck other virgin girls.

dont say that south korea is exist

>>22462292
I wanted to like it so I was ok with accepting the crazy mc to let her cook after the time skip.
and I agree, I wish she fleshed out the MC's male cousin and fake husband a bit more. I felt like I just had to assume they each had as fucked up as a past as the MC which made it easier for them to go along with her delusions in the end.

>>22461854
Murakami is airport literature for women on the level of Stephen King or John Grisham and like them, he's written the same book 20 times.

>>22459435
>Filthy Frank
it's not bad but its just not good either.

I liked Norwegian Wood by Murakami

>>22461907
Lurk moar

>>22458629
I have no books and I must retard post.

>Um actually sweety, the art of war is the best book ever made and it’s nipponese because the Chinese steal everything from Japan.

>>22458629
Define "good". Your standards aren't universal.

>>22459438
Japanese literature and film had some fantastic periods in the early 20th century and the post-war period but then kinda somehow just died out.

>>22463845
I read Deep River and thought it was just alright.

>>22463873
To be fair a lot of old Japanese and Chinese had basically devolved into a very specific dialect that only a small scholar elite was profecient in.

>>22465152
Yeah, this is great

>>22465424
Really? He says some pretty nice things. Definitely better than Stephen King. I don't think it's fair to judge his entire bibliography based on the couple bad novels he's put out here and there.
>全てがあまりにもくっきりとしすぎていて、どこから手をつければいいのかがわからなかったのだ。あまりにも克明な地図が、克明にすぎて時として役に立たないのと同じことだ。でも今はわかる。結局のところ──と僕は思う──文章という不完全な容器に盛ることができるのは不完全な記憶や不完全な想いでしかないのだ。

>>22464574
redpill me on these, which works of theirs are worth reading and where can i find them?
t. someone teaching himself japanese

>>22467160
This isn't limited to Murakami (although he's a pretty egregious example), but one of the reasons Japanese pure lit doesn't appeal to me is that it completely ignores the natural phrasing of Japanese speech, in favor of ugly translationese that apes the western lit that these guys were influenced by.

>結局のところ──と僕は思う──
Nobody speaks like this. This is not Japanese. This is JD Salinger translated into Japanese. The irony being that Salinger deeply scrutinized the way people around him were speaking and developed it into this unique, natural-but-moreso style of English, whereas Murakami just laps it up as style while ignoring the philosophy behind it. Another one that that I notice a lot is sentences ending in 「~だからだ。」 You could take a corpus of 10,000 hours of colloquial Japanese and never see this construction, but Sayaka Murata uses it on every other page.

I guess for 純文学 fans this is the point, and there's no reason to take this reverence that postwar Anglo-American writers have had for colloquial speech and develop it into a universal ideal. Spanish and French literature also annoy me with their flowery archaisms. But personally, the going style of Japanese lit is, for me, not it. I'll stick to Anglos and Italians, who at least write as if they've heard human beings talking before.

>>22458629
>doesn't know dragon ball comes from japan
what /lit/ does to an mf

>>22458629
all the delinquent manga authors prove you wrong

>itt: pseuds seething at Murakami as if he was some nip Ken Follet or something

>>22468024
Murakami is for teenagers

>>22468024
Literally nobody is seething? And why mention Murakami when there are literally dozens of other Japanese authors that mog him. Even Murakami himself said that he doesn't compare to other Japanese writers. To me, Murakami is barely a step above Colleen Hoover

>>22468056
>Literally nobody is seething?
>To me, Murakami is barely a step above Colleen Hoover
/lit/ truly is nothing but pseuds, kek

>>22468038
Do explain why do you think that.

>>22468071
No him but I think Murakami is the perfect example of "passes for wondrous deep, upon no wiser a reason than because it is wondrous dark." The fact that he's obsessed with wells as a metaphor for ... something... probably... makes this particularly funny.

>>22459388
get this gay ass nigga out of here

>>22458629
studio ghibli is a very popular studio with movies that will never age terribly, written and designed by on single man, hayao miyazaki

this feels like a poorly done bait thread to find Japanese written books to read. we can smell the weeb you have denial over, OP

>>22459434
the oldest zoomers are 24, 1998.
under 18 would be "based chad skibbidi gworl dinner"

>>22464574
>Kobo Abe
this
>While light novels are translated into English one after another, the masterpieces of major authors with established historical reputations are not translated into English at all.
ranobes are based, fuck you

>>22459426
>clown ahh writer
why dont you talk like youre not trying to catch cock in your mouth

>>22458629
Only non-white country to ever have produced relevant modern literature.

Don't care about their pre-modern stuff though. China beats it there.

>>22461907
Even the other Murakami is objectively better than Haruki. Haruki is Japan Stephen King but good.

>>22463634
you know her husband wrote that and slapped her name on it for marketing

>>22468056
Who does Murakami think is a good Japanese writer?

>>22463721
You are so basic and he studied in England.

>>22464971
Okay if Tale of the Genji is harem then tag is a such on Wikipedia so I can watch your ass get bitched by the autism.

>>22469085
retarded headcanon made up by troons like you.

>>22458629
Good job Anon. Instead of asking people for recommendations you invoked Cunningham's Law.

>>22469237
I don't know for sure but he mentions Dazai and Mishima in Norwegian Wood

I like Honda Hisashi's (本多寿) poetry quite a lot. Might even be the greatest poet alive today!

is everything hacks to you guys? be glad this person isn't telling me how they really feel

>>22459836
>Mishima is better than Pynchon
Lmaoo weebs are fucking retarded

Kenzaburo Oe is Beethoven tier

>>22471852
Mishima is a legend, Pynchon is on par with an RPG developer

>>22458629
anyone can learn this language, it's not that hard.

>>22470026
Thanks.

>>22472452
Lol, it's the hardest language an eglish speaker can attempt to learn. It's not me saying this, but actual specialists.

>>22464971
> Genji Monogatari
> harem
No.
> grooming
Yes.

Literally the worst part of Genji is the protagonist. I hate him so much, he's a useless bishonen who fucks everyone elses wives while literally ignoring all of his own. Genji's friend, the one he pretends to get into a sword fight over that old lady with is probably the best male character in the novel.
Lady Murasaki's portrayal of the grooming arc is really interesting because the entire time she's singing Genji's praises I don't think she ever once actually makes it seem like Genji and his child-bride even have a good relationship. I can't tell if it's intentional or not. It's clear the author wants us to like Genji but he's so antithetical to western sexual values I can't bring myself to think well of him at all.

>>22458629
Edgar Allan Poe- oh sorry I meant Edogawa Ranpo

>>22461902
single good writer =/= great Japanese author
Ever heard about reading comprehension, you fucking cretin?

>>22465196
Even adding some nuance to her family members would have been nice. Instead they're just a rehash of the supporting characters of CSW. We get it, Sayaka: you're weird and societal expectations exist. You covered that ground really well in CSW but giving your MC a traumatic background instead of just hyper-autism means nothing if you don't flesh anything out of it.

>>22458629
>Who is Nisio Isin

>>22473365
> harem
>No.
>he's a useless bishonen who fucks everyone elses wives
Doesn't harem term typically imply that the protagonist engage in relationships (either sexual or intimate or just friendship) with multiple love interests?
Also grooming romances involving a loli child and an adult male are a very common theme in female oriented fantasies so it's not unusual at all. Literally almost all age gap romance series I have read are written by women, except for the ones where I'm unaware of the authors' genders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Generation_of_Postwar_Writers
For me? It's Endo.

>>22458629
1) The japanese are kings of the novella.
Shusaku Endo
Yukio Mishima
Yatsunari Kawabata
Natsume Soseki
2) You are making outlandish claim, as the only country that never produced anyone of importance in any field is Slovakia. To make such a claim about any other claim is just exagerated shitpost.

>>22469326
Japanese literature is unique, becouse it is literature wandering somewhere between their western influences and being oriental. As Japan itself has since they stopped isolating. Endo is perfect example of this. That's why Japanese literature is way more popular in the west (and way better) than any other asian literature. Nobody cares about Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese and whatever else chingchong shit.