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Imagine being Japanese and the greatest ideological defender of America after what they did to his country of origin.

It's called confidence, anon.

A true pro-gamer move only capable to Japs.

why is this guy still taken serisouly after the post9/11 wars?

>>22481231
Because America is still standing on two legs.

>>22481198
That's most Japs though.

>>22481231

Because his metaphysics is correct. Western liberalism SHOULD BE the end of history. Everything else is dogshit: the european welfare state, communism, duginism, sharia, monarchism, traditional tribalism, socialism "with Chinese characteristics"... Basically everything that this board dabbles with for the simple reason that they have never actually had to live under any of them.

There was every good reason for a man of sense to be delighted with the state of the world in the early 1990s, a decade which itself is easily argued to be peak human civilizational development, in large part because of the (apparent) fall of gommunism.

>>22481263
Fascism is objectively better than Liberalism at everything if you are wiling to throw away Liberalisms #1 holy cow "God created Man in his own image".

Funny when Liberalism runs into problems the first thing it turns into is fascism, just look at COVID situation.

>>22481198
what exactly they did do?

>>22481197
wtf disable this thread

>>22481263
kek this nigga delusional

>>22481422

What is delusional is to think that any of the other forms of governance just rattled off are preferable. They are not. Every so often, a sensible adult should stop by and remind /lit/, mental children that they are, of the truth, which they can easily forget precisely for the very reason that they lead relatively comfortable lives under the preferable form of government just identified. This condition frees them to experience emotions such as "boredom" which impel them to investigate and (wrongfully) romanticize the shittier forms of governance which have plagued humanity throughout the bulk of its existence.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a fat, balding man, minding his own business and eating a McDonald's cheeseburger in peace-for ever. Your defect is to find horror in this image.

>>22481263
>Because his metaphysics is correct.
kek, wtf are you talking about? metaphysics in politics? stfu corny ass nigga

another thread that demonstrates that /lit/ doesnt read

>>22481248

True dat

>>22481281
>what exactly they did do?
We nuked em during ww2 and then put their country under martial law & inserted a clause into their constitution preventing them from having an army (though later they got around this by just calling their military "defensive forces")

>>22481459
>If you want a picture of the future, imagine a fat, balding man, minding his own business and eating a McDonald's cheeseburger in peace-for ever. Your defect is to find horror in this image.
Amazin, based and McDonalds pilled.

>>22481459
Liberalism is not going to survive in the long-term. Right now it might be dominant but it has already created the conditions for its own downfall. Fertility rates are utterly dying in liberal states compounded by widespread sexual promiscuity and distance between men and women. Environmental disasters caused by pollution and climate change is a guarantee in our future. These will all contribute to the slow demise of capitalism which liberalism absolutely requires. And this is all ignoring geopolitical conflict from competitors like China.

Once the real problems begin, people will stop giving a shit about liberalism and realize all of its values are arbitrary. They will realize pronouns and gay sex aren't actually the most important things in life, putting food on the table and raising families is.

>>22481645
>Fertility rates are utterly dying in liberal states compounded by widespread sexual promiscuity and distance between men and women.
Just import even more third worlders.
>Environmental disasters caused by pollution and climate change is a guarantee in our future.
The people who run the liberal state won't have to deal with this, they won't even be inconvenienced by it. And in that case, who cares?
>These will all contribute to the slow demise of capitalism which liberalism absolutely requires.
This doesn't follow from what you described.
>Once the real problems begin, people will stop giving a shit about liberalism and realize all of its values are arbitrary.
No, they will do and think as liberal institutions tell them to do and think, just like they did every single time in the past. The people are like cattle, and they will be treated as such.
>They will realize pronouns and gay sex aren't actually the most important things in life, putting food on the table and raising families is.
They have already demonstrated that they will sacrifice their quality of life for liberal ideology, why would they do otherwise in the future?

Liberalism. Is. Eternal. Thousands of years from now on, liberalism shall still reign supreme, more powerful than ever before.

>>22481263
>Western liberalism SHOULD BE the end of history.

>>22481263
What is Fukuyama's metaphysics? Aristotelian? Lockeian?

>>22481197
He's handsome

>>22481628
>>22481281
>>22481198
The Japos have Stockholm syndrome.

>>22481263
I’ve heard people argue that middle America is a handmaids tale-tier theocracy with a straight face in broad daylight before.

>>22481686
Fukuyama is the worst person to see objectively on this matter because he's Japanese. WEF backed Chinese socialism is the future of 'liberalism', so in other words: not liberalism.

>>22482751
Pseudo-Hegelian

>>22481263
>european welfare state
Yeah because there are no Europeans on here.
kankermogool

>>22481197

>>22481197
who is this semen demen

>>22484374
but fascism and communism are also based on Hegel, so how they can be inferior in metaphysics?

he makes youtube vlogs about defending democracy kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heFOFfP020M

>>22485102
What Hegelian philosophy is fascism based on?

>>22485198
Actual idealism
by Gentile - the inventor of fascism.

>>22484549
There better not be

>>22485215
Interesting thank you I’ve never heard of this guy.

>>22485198
>>22485215
Gentile was once described as the most rigorous Hegelian metaphysician alive by his contemporaries

>>22481239
Your tears are delicious

>>22485269
He was the preeminent academic in Italy during his time and came to hold many prominent positions in Italian universities.

>>22485265
Here is a link to the Doctrine of Fascism which Gentile co-authored, thought you might be interested: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

>>22481198
He's American

>>22485388
His slanted eyes tell me otherwise

>>22481197
Francis Fucked-yo-mama

>>22481263
wrong.
there is only I M P E R I V M

>>22481197
Francis Fukunigga

>>22481263
But why didn't it last, anon? Are you telling me the 90s wasn't just a happy bubble? It really was the fruit of a sound weltanschauung? I'm skeptical, but my childhood was the 90s and it was more or less a pretty happy time looking back so if you have sound argument, I'd be willing to hear it. seriously.

But the way I see it, if Fukuyama's system was so great, why did everything go to shit? And you really think knocking Saddam off was such a great idea? Maybe just maybe we did that so that Israel could feel nice and safe and Fukuyama's work is basically just Hegelian window dressing? I tend to think so

>>22481198
Based japs respect strength
>>22481263
I don’t know liberalism is nice in thought but I would like cleaner neighborhoods, cities with less violence and crime, better education standards and expectations, and harsher and more swift punishments for the heinous crime. Liberalism has this weird trait where they want to defend the absolute dregs of society and not put a bullet in the guys head who just literally raped a child or murdered a family in cold blood. It baffles me. It really does.

>>22481197
He recently consneeded that liberalism is not the end of history and that he was wrong, he’s a hack

>>22485536
>if Fukuyama's system was so great, why did everything go to shit?
Fukuyama would likely concede that there can be serious problems within a democracy--nonetheless even with serious economic inequality it remains the most ideal system because in contrast to others people are the most satisfied.
You cannot say it has failed when it has not received any systematic challenge, no fundamental renounciation of its core tenants, and remains the pre-dominant system around the world.
In the book he argues that the most serious challenges to this system will arise out of the boredom that prosperity has creared, people will become bored with this "end of history" where nothing happens and will try to restart History.
He also identifies ethnic / identitarian conflicts as another serious challenge to liberalism.

>>22485388
Pretty sure he was born in Japan

>>22485604
Another major challenge he predicts will come from the Islamic world and the inhabitants of regions that still exist in history.
Yet his counter to the threat Islam poses is to point out that Islam has not been able to spread beyond its natural borders very effectively, and that those that immigrate rather assimilate into liberalism
The main challenge of the post-historical world will be containing the historical wolrd from intruding on the peace and prosperity that reigns in the post-historical world.

>>22485610
He was born in Chicago, and according to wiki had little contact with Japanese culture growing up

>>22481271
>objectively better
>every fascist state destroyed itself in endless war

>>22485604
How do you even quantify satisfaction of a population?

>>22481459

>If you want a picture of the future, imagine a fat, balding man, minding his own business and eating a McDonald's cheeseburger in peace-for ever. Your defect is to find horror in this image.


I think you might be on to something with your claim that the many users on /lit/ and other places that espouse these alternative political models do not give modernity enough credit for the comforts that it has made available to them, but is it really such a defect to wonder if the image you present us with is far from the good life? I guess it would be absurd to find “horror” in it but I assume you were being hyperbolic there. No one is actually horrified by it, they just wonder should be more to life than that, and, if so, whether a democratic-liberal society can offer it to them.

I suppose you could say you just chose that image as one possible scenario available to an individual in a post-historical liberal democracy, but it is telling that that is the image you deemed as representative of the future. Would our fat cheeseburger eating friend have a better life if he wasn’t so fat and eating cheeseburgers all day? Or is that truly the best that post-historical liberal democracy has for him? How many vaccines you imagine this guy has? He needs all those? Wouldn’t this guy be better of with a girlfriend than stuffing his face all day? So will the war of the sexes fuckery (largely induced by elites and military intelligence through the media) finally end once the whole world enters this post-historical liberal democratic paradise, or is that here to stay as well?

>>22481459
>McDonald's is... LE BAD