/lit/ - Literature

>>22491843
But your big homie went mad trying to reject the master.

>>22491843
>While a common view in the literature is that Nietzsche cannot successfully argue against Schopenhauer’s pessimism, a detailed explanation of why this is so is lacking. In this paper I provide such a detailed analysis. Specifically, a consideration of three of Nietzsche’s strategies for a revaluation of pain and suffering reveals two problems: the problem of “the direction of revaluation” and the “dilemma of the intransigence of hedonism”. According to the first, the success of a revaluation cannot be guaranteed on strictly argumentative grounds and can in principle bring about a revaluation that proceeds in the opposite direction than the one desired. According to the second, Nietzsche‘s revaluations are of no significance since they either ground an un-Nietzschean affirmation of life, or they do not engage pessimism’s hedonistic perspective on the basis of which it condemns life. I then examine two strategies that Nietzsche can be seen to employ in his attempts to revalue the hedonistic perspective itself and explain why they too are unsatisfactory. The analysis illuminates the nature of the dialectical stand-off between Nietzsche and Schopenhauer and clarifies the limitations of Nietzschean revaluations as a philosophical tool.
>https://www.academia.edu/39673969/Nietzsche_Failed_Engagement_with_Schopenhauers_Pessimism_An_Analysis
It is not even possible to compare Nietzsche with Schopenhauer. Nietzsche at best is just shit in Schopenhauer's shoe.

i feel like neitchze having a mental break down proves Schopenhauer right, so much for muh ubermench

>>22491972
N never claim he himself was übermensch.

>>22491976
im just doing what n is doing, taking some arbitrary fact like shoppy playing the flute and saying thats why he is wrong. even though schoppy said that the creation of art is one way to ease suffering

neetche was always clowning on weak people and ended up a weakling himself

>>22491976
Nietzsche was closer to calling himself the last man than the overman.

>>22491843
I've also heard he wasn't opposed to blowing the skin-flute from time to time

>>22491843
Why would pessimism bar you from enjoying the flute?

>>22492328
The flute's just a gay little instrument to play

>>22491843
For his bluster, he was a bon vivant cad dicking down maids and throwing them down the stairs; his pessimism is an estimation of the mass of man, not the greater part.

>>22491955
Mustache's secondary literature is a mindfield of bad faith also-rans. His philosemitism is more owed to Schopenhauer than Wagner, even the entire Will To Power concept. If there's 'dialectical' tension it's juggling between Spinoza & Hegel via the pessimist and undoing both the Protestant Reformation and the secular Enlightenment it spawned.

>>22491843
Says the cowardly spineless faggot who rambles on about blond beasts, eugenics, Rome vs Judea, war being good, and then backs off and goes insane when people take his ideas seriously.

>>22491843
why did Nietzsche permeate the cultural consciousness to such a great degree? if people ignored him would resentment be a lower condition? it's funny that people ignore what he inscribes but actually respond to the fact the he inscribes it. I am the idiot.

>>22491843
He's being humorous you autistic freaks

>>22492425
Because his philosophy transcends philosophy, like how Freud transcended psychology and Marx political science.

>>22492468
yeah that is what people do, a literal striding over

>>22492468
Hence why these three are lumped together as the "masters of suspicion." They were actually all extremely critical of the fields they practiced in.

>>22492487
Yes they all existed outside of the mainstream of their respective fields, until their ideas just became their respective fields. With Nietzsche if you separate analytic and continental philosophy which you should cause there entirely separate things, all continental philosophy follows from his work and a lit of it like Heidegger and Satre and Camus is just sort of rewording of things he'd already said

>>22492501
isn't that the bad part of continental philosophy?

>>22492531
Why would that make it bad?

>>22492531
Well continental philosophy is anti foundationalist so it's not like its working towards some kind of truth, that's what analytical philosophers try and fail to do.

>>22492537
>>22492541
If Nitzsche is the foundation it's not anti-foundationalist, but if the response was to undermine the foundation then it might be the case. The most well known names all tried to try to establish some kind of foundation but mostly failed. Does semiotics follow from Nietzsche?

>>22491880
>going insane le bad because... because... well it just is, okay?

>playing the flute
Dude he blows

>>22492468
>Because his philosophy transcends philosophy, like how Freud transcended psychology and Marx political science.
Atheists can't transcend atheism dumdum. And all your idols failed to make atheism something else than debased hedonism, because first they craved for being debased hedonists themselves and in private didn't care to change, and second atheism can't be turned into something it ain't .