/lit/ - Literature

>>22561431
Why do zoomers talk like niggers?

damn this thread sucks

>>22561431
Rupi Kaur has a contender...

lmao

>>22561431
THINK YOU FORGOT SOMEONE KIKELOVER K KEKERSON!

>>22561526
>entirely ignores Hinduism and Buddhism
least West-centric pundit
captcha: HNAG0Y

>>22561431
A new book on penis cleaning

>>22562123
Peener Cleener

>>22561431
he is like a decade late, triy nfogalactic

>>22561431
This guy fucking sucks at writing haiku.

How would it be king Midas in reverse when the entire moral of that story is that gold (a perfectly woke society in this analogy) is worthless in and of itself without family, friends, and good health? Wouldn’t king Midas in reverse make everything that he touches perfect? Did little Jordan really have the takeaway from that story that gold = good? Lol!

>>22562342
You fucking dick. I walked all the way here to post this.

>>22561431
A reverse Midas would unironically have solved the mythic story he is referencing lol

>>22561526
Jewishbros why is he ignoring us

>>22562342
>>22562358
Mixed metaphor but he's obviously refering to the idea of "Midas touch" but instead of turning shit into gold they turn gold into shit.

He did benzos again, didn't he?

>>22561431
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life

>>22562412
Please go back.

>>22562416
Reminder that the people triggered by Peterson are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

>>22561431
Hes basically saying that like, enlightenment thinking, is like destroying our children per se, more like their legs.

And perhaps maybe the other parts are just a judgment, and its a harsh one because its removing all the gold from the world, which is to say, like the good future. the future will not be good, which is like.. yeah you told me that already what do you do about?

Well he told you that already too but I liked it better when Ernest Borgnien the actor said it in Gattaca, “
>”Dreamin’ of space?? You can start by cleaning this space right here.”

And the guy he says that to goes on to save the world.

>>22562412
>>22562426
Anon, please look at the words you are typing. You can do better. You don't have to be like this.

>>22562434
>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative
>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property
>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism
>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist
>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors
>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one
>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now
>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
Basically, Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.

>>22562342
Just read the epic poem called “The Book of Job”.

Like, you can’t turn everything you touch into metaphorical gold, (did you think King Midas was about real gold holy shit dude your nuts). Or maybe its not so crazy because a universe made entirely out of gold is like, a hard universe to crack, but anywho.

So the idea is that not only will the flood come eventually, but that you brought it on yourself.

He’s not talking about wealth, he probably never is. He’s talking about, well, wikipedia maybe I don’t know, but like, pedia is like little legs. And the concreteness of ideas is being drained out of the logos and forms. This is what he is saying.

Or he could just actually be mad at the wiki editor mafia, which is just a cycle of dumb.

>>22562426
>thing is good because people are angry at it
i never understood this meme
is it literally just contrarianism?

>>22561435
It's pretty fucked up. They have no idea how abnormal that is.

>>22562475
>thing is good because people are angry at it
Thing is good because shitty people become reactive to it and betray themselves.
>i never understood this meme
You're probably in the shitty people group.
>contrarianism
See >>22562437. It's about being filtered by obvious (good faith) arguments and reacting with hyperbole.

>>22562437
>Sublimate personal resentment in collective extremism

And that sounds really smart. and it really really is actually. But it is also indecipherable even to others of peterson’s intellect, quite honestly.

What peterson did that was awsome that made me want to put him in my people apocrypha, like if I could put actual people in it, hopefully NOT buried alive, like in the pyramids - but, yeah, but..

But it was seeing that, all the enlightened intellectualism, sublimate and wrap that got dang negative energy around the event horizon of your psyche, thats just cain and abel. and we already knew it, eeeeons ago.

>>22562496
>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:
There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

>>22561431
Can't take this guy seriously when his daughter got piped by Andrew tate

>>22562496
>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:
There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).

Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.

>>22561435
Zoomers are racially subdividing
>Orcs (obvious)
>Half-orcs (mischlings)
>Wood-elf cannibals (Asians)
>Goblin slaves (jive-talking whites)
>Eloi (nymphs)
>Ghouls
The goblin slaves actually deform to look like mischlings from constantly talking and acting like them, even if they have no mixed blood. Notice how big their lips are and how they jut them out in primal, jungleish ways, as if always ready to begin hooting. Notice how their lower jaw juts forward at all times so they can say more guttural, lower versions of "fuhreal fuhreal tho," trying to imitate an African baritone. This is like a form of mewing, it deforms the face and turns them into the stereotypical zoomer perm phenotype.

The Eloi (nymphs) and ghouls are just whiteys who are fortuitously sheltered from the prevailing blanda upp culture. But it's the only form of culture that still exists in America, so they have nothing to replace it with except suburban pap and evangelical/Mormon milquetoast, thus becoming Eloi, or fentanyl, thus becoming Ohioans and Philadelphians (ghouls).

>>22562525
>he's a drug addict
>his daughter is a slut
>messyoffice.jpeg
>you don't have a dad
>wash your penis
>you're Jordan/Mikhala
>he cried in public
>he associates with Jews
>controlled opposition
Ad homs that distract from his arguments are all they have. The sad thing is that they're the same ones over and over and have been for years. The fun thing is that it's easy to point to where his credibility comes from and the positive things he's been doing for years and make these people seethe.

>>22562546
His daughter got Tainted by Tate before he was even a thing

>>22562553
Did she actually sleep with Tate? He is so ugly

>>22562553
>a picture together means they had sex
Kek, incels.

>>22562576
No. Tait was a rising social media star at the time and he reached out to Mikhala because she was managing her dad's public appearances. They had a meeting but Peterson decided the nature of Tait's brand would cause trouble. Tait himself said the meetings were professional.

>>22562592
>Tait
Tate* (taint).

>>22562426
Strawmen. Sorry anon your hero is just not that impressive an intellectual to anyone who's actually half-decently read

>>22562605
>No you
He isn't my hero but you idiots are villains.

>>22562546
An ad hom is supposed to be unrelated to a person‘s work. A psychologist raising a grifting whore and displaying continuous emotional breakdowns in the face of the extremely low bar he sets for himself is pertinent to the assessment that he is terrible at what he does.

Hopefully getting your shit pushed in by the entire thread at once will lead to an end of these lazy copyposts and at least some original shilling.

>>22562434
>typing
It's a copy/paste spam attack.

>>22562467
The Midas touch was a curse.

>>22561431
Has an edgy 14 yr old hacked his account and started posting their own poetry?
Maybe he's on another bender?

>>22562592
>Tait himself said the meetings were professional.
He's an inveterate liar and you're a mug

>>22562496
8/10
room to grow

>>22562634
>all I have are ad homs so they count
Lol

>>22562655
>>22562578

>>22562546
He both embraces and rejects idpol at the same time, depending on the group in question. This is intellectually dishonest. He ignores the unhealthy manifestations in his own body, yet continues to promote his wacky diet. Mark of the charlatan. He lectures on lifestyle and habits, and then leans on drugs to solve his problems for himself. Hypocrisy. Even if he were sincere, he is a failure. He is no role model. He is a worse surrogate father than going fatherless.

>>22562681
Changing the greentext to misrepresent the quoted post is strawmanning.

>>22562712
>[all I have are ad homs so they're valid]
>YOURE STRAWMANNING ME!
Lol.

>>22562724
Is that all you have?

>>22562724
take a lap

>>22562730
>Is that all you have?
It's all you're worth Mr. "no you."

>>22561431
>stanza 1 consists of 9,4,5 syllable lines
>4+5=9
>rhythm of nine established
>rhythm disrupted then continued in stanza 2 with 4,4,5 (4+5=9) syllable lines
>this sets up a tension to be resolved in stanza 3
>stanza 3
>3,3 syllable lines
>3+3=6
>4+6=10
>?????
>poem has 37 syllables
>37-1=36
>36 divisible by nine
>meanwhile 37 is a prime number
>mfw why would you establish a rhythm of nine then?
>total botch job because of a careless poet

>>22562736
In regard to the nonsense that Peterson is against online privacy:
>he isn't saying anonymity on the internet shouldn't exist
>he isn't even saying the option for anonymity should be taken away on the specific websites to which he's referring
>he is putting forward the idea for it to be debated in the public sphere
>he is correct when he says anonymous accounts incentivize trolling (e.g. memeflags)
>segregation isn't a perfect solution, that's why he is encouraging a discussion, but it is a better option than what is currently used (e.g. shadow banning comments)
Remember: Peterson's critics (be they libtards, trannies, conspiracy schizos, etc.) are always disingenuous and will mischaracterize what he actually says while making baseless ad hominem attacks toward his character.

A common example: they will characterize severe withdrawal from a doctor prescribed medication as a character defining drug addiction and will conveniently ignore that immediately after he completed/published his second worldwide bestselling book, organized and completed a sold out international lecture tour, started an interview series viewed by millions, is starting an online university (free degrees built into the model), published multiple articles, etc. In short: you can't trust such people and you should research it for yourself.

>>22562747
>this level of autism over a throwaway tweet
You'll never be as relevant as Jordan Peterson and you'll never reach anything near the level of success he has achieved.

>>22561431
>Changing Wikipedia articles for the benefit of a certain group
>It's the woke! It's them that are doing it!

>>22562798
>t. has never read the update history/discussion section of a Wikipedia article

>>22562755
I am not here to discuss celebrities and their success or to carve out success for myself. I am here to anonymously discuss /lit/, of which poetry is a category.

>>22562829
>I'm here to demonstrate autistism
By overreacting to a throwaway tweet
I pointed that out already.

>>22562751
He has a point about online psychopathy but it usually comes from "face accounts," those who have welded their IRL identities to their online personas. Just look at how brazen people send death threat DMs under their actual accounts. Anonymous accounts tend to be more prudent and cautious, yet also more daring.

>>22562845
Don't understand why you would discourage effort posting. Do actually you want this place to be so shit?

>>22562342
you're not as smart as you think you are, king midas in reverse is a very old saying retard

>>22562592
>>22562598
>>22562655
more like taint

>>22562860
A lot of people here actually do. You must understand that there are different types of people here and they have different motivations. Some may try to disguise theirs as yours but that may not be so in reality. But rest assured that there are other people like yourself here, too.

>>22562860
>effort posting
Isn't the same thing as writing a mastabatory post overanalyzing a tweet, anon.

>>22562849
Not true at all and the examples you used are likely selection bias (i.e. people who can be held accountable are more likely to make it into media).

>>22561451
I didn't realise this was Pynchon until I reached the Pointsman in the second paragraph. I was thinking, I never knew how good a writer Jordan Peterson was.

>>22562893
That retard has been posting that excerpt with "lmao" in every Peterson thread for over 2 years. Ignore it, newfag.

>>22561431
the only thing he could do thats more boomercore than these newlines is to sign off every tweet with - JBP

You can tell from the way he types that he's really enamored with his own words, and sees artistry and harmony in their composition. In short he's a narcissist.

>>22562845
>>22562884
Anon, if the purpose of this thread was not to analyze Mr. Peterson's poem, then what was the point?

Here I offer a correction, tell me what you think of it.
>The woke narcissistic psychopaths
>Are destroying
>Wikipedia

>As they destroy
>Purposefully
>Everything they touch

>Reverse
>King Midas

Or if we would like to clear up the King Midas analogy, as anon suggested, we could try for ambiguity and make the render the last stanza:
>Pervert King Midas
Which both maintains the original concept of the reverse Midas touch and alludes to the actual mythical King Midas as a pervert. In my opinion this rendering loses a bit of tension, however. Which do you prefer?

>>22562849
>He has a point about online psychopathy
He has a lot of good points. That is how charlatans work. They are masters of navigating the interstitial regions between the points of logic.

>>22562884
>overanalyzing
subjectivity

>>22562915
>Anon, if the purpose of this thread was not to analyze Mr. Peterson's poem, then what was the point?
See >>22562426. To have the same circlejerk for the 90917904th time because Peterson upsets retards. (You're in the pseud category btw).

>>22562926
>throwaway twitter post

>>22562902
>sign off every tweet with - JBP
Or with one of those little micro bios.

>>22562903
>In short he's a narcissist.
What percentage of psychologists are not? I would venture the number to be very low.

>>22562903
>projection

>>22562933
yet

The Canadian government wants to regulate every podcast in Canada. This guy is in the crosshairs more than anyone would believe

>>22562952
>>22562426

>>22561431
Wasn’t Wikipedia always kinda shit? I mean it’s always been obvious it should be seen as good enough summary to info that isn’t that important. And anything political or controversial shouldn’t be touched because of the sites biases. For those things and other things you actually care about you should be doing real research.

>>22563020
Many years ago, there was less bias. Imagine it basically just how it is, but with far fewer entries, and less bias.

>>22562965
He is an institutionalist. He will not be removed until he has served his purpose to the institutions. He does not challenge their power. He only says that they wield their power slightly incorrectly.

>>22562946
Why do norms not think its weird to go to shrinks when they are overwhelmingly unhinged again? It should be a redflag when every doctor of a certain disease is infected with it

>>22562979
You missed. BTW, where do you guys congregate to prepare for your raids?

>>22563077
>Why do norms not think its weird to go to shrinks when they are overwhelmingly unhinged again?
Fear of facing the unknown without an authority figure to help guide them through the dark passages.

>>22561431
Is 12 more rules for life: Beyond Order good like the first one or does it take a more political spin? (due to the things that happened in the in-between). If someone enjoyed Book 1, would they also enjoy Book 2? Is it just more of the same (in a good way)?

>>22561431
Didnt Wikipedia get ruined by capitalists? I dont really know but thats my assumption. The rich are like locusts, and I mean that close to literally.

>>22561431
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blud

>>22561526
what's up with his obsession with rats?

>>22563139
This is the chink in the armor. These Peterson fags should be subject matter experts, but they are only interested in arguing. I have not seen them engage Peterson's work with any mastery. We are guilty as well, not engaging the material as much as we should, and rather arguing against his foibles rather than the published literature. These threads always suck.

>>22563068
you're delusional, they want to pass this bill to keep the petersons from the world from ever going off message as with covid

>>22563144
>Didnt Wikipedia get ruined by capitalists?
From the leadership level? Likely. From the grassroots level, most of the boots likely identify as the opposition. Capitalists and communists both dance around the same nexus of dialectical materialism.

>>22562412
Him being a benzo addict and his daughter being a slut are valid criticisms. If I have to hear from drug addicts/bad dad's, I'd hear nigger rap

>>22563245
>you're delusional
>Nov 12, 2021 · Clinical psychologist and author Jordan Peterson, who has been vaccinated against COVID-19, compared vaccine mandates to the actions of a "totalitarian state."
Note that he is platformed heavily on mainstream media.
>https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-says-covid-vaccine-mandates-imitate-totalitarian-states-1648467
Note the massaging, so the search result quote does not even match the text of the article. Everything needs to be just so, requiring periodic tweaks. Note also how he couches his terms.
>imitation of "a totalitarian state."
He should be out calling a spade a spade. Instead, he is out there saying spades somewhat resemble spades. Finally, he pretends to be anti COVID institutionalism, yet he got the institutional injection. He's milquetoast. He's not even really opposed to the COVID agenda, or he would not have taken part. He is, at core, a willing tool of the institutions that he pretends to abhor.

>>22563288
edit - I pseuded out a bit by not going straight to the source documents, but the arguments still mostly stand. Both he and the mass media support the common narrative.

>>22563083
>>22562426

>>22563255
>>22562546
No but maybe if you repeat them for 5 more years...lol

>>22562820
>t. Wikipedia altering jew

>>22563243
>This is the chink in the armor
Holy shit, go outside.

>>22562412
>>22562426
>>22562437
>>22562546
your pasta is stale, get new ones or get a new idol that isnt a lolcow for both sides.

>>22563349
Don't be so paranoid. That anon is likely a newfag who doesn't know you can literally into the history of various wikipedia pages and see libtards/leftoids/trannies deleting stuff because they say it's offensive, discussing how to selectively interpret sources, complaining about certain books being published, shouting down dissent/threatening reports/bans, manipulating the rules to stop valid edits/things they wrote from being changed, and shutting down debate (they declare the need for private discussion outside the page when it's too obvious they're fucking around).

>>22563367
>noooo, you can't point out we've been making the same nonsensical ad homs for years! stop it :(
Lol

>>22563353
>go outside
weak

>>22563367
They say you can judge someone by the company they keep (inb4 "JEWS THO!") but with Peterson you may judge him by the company he does not keep: ideological libtards, reactionary racists, seething trannies, and vapid pseuds. These barely human toxins have had to recycle the same 5 ad homs, pathetically doing so for years now, because they're incapable of actually understanding what he has to say--they're too far gone into ideological possession (and retardation) to even recognize when they're being disingenuous.

So please (you queer amalgamation of libtard, chud, and tranny) just keep doing what you're doing. You can be assured that Peterson keep doing what he's doing.

>>22563379
Not him, but there are also stealth edits.

>>22563384
>elevates his animosity toward a media figure to the level of an epic battle
Seriously, just go outside.

>>22563395
>le epic battle
get a load of yourself

>>22563400
After I put one in your mother.

>>22563390
>"these retards are criticizing my beloved with the same 5 adhoms. so instead ill recycle the same 5 pastas!"

>>22563417
>recycle pastas
That's what they're for retard. Maybe if you faggots could come up with more material for your circlejerks they wouldn't hit as hard and you wouldn't be crying right now.

>>22563440
Reminder that spamming/flooding is a reportable offense not because your stale pasta is so spicy that it makes people cry (like your hero when confronted with mild pushback) but because it is by definition extremely low-effort and only serves to self-assure the poster, while neglecting the particular parameters of the individual thread and thereby plummeting the quality of the board as a whole.

>Do not associate with those of similar ethnic background, unless you're a jew
>Christian morality is superior and should be adopted as your worldview, unless you're a jew
>Everybody has the potential to commit heinous actions and would have been a Nazi, unless you're a jew
>Ethno-centrism is an evil concept that flies in the face of everything the West was build upon, unless you're a jew

>>22562751
who really cares about how he stands on any issue when he's a clear and obvious shabbos goy?

>>22563502
>Orwell in with a bunch of literal fascists and nazis
This is why you're friendless and unemployed

>>22563469
>I'm not mad
>I'm telling on you
I'd guess you're in the trannie category of >>22562426. Also, spamming is when it's off topic and flooding generally means the posts are contentless.

>>22563542
>literal fascists and nazis
Yeah (>>22562426) that's definitely the category.

>>22563542
It's literally a 3x3 of authors and thinkers who meant a great deal to me. Not everything is a political statement.

>>22563551
I'm not your tranny fantasy, you gay idiot. At least its nice to see someone defend Peterson from the gay illiterate retards here though.

>>22563551
the solution to 1984 is unironically 1933.

>>22563545
I didn‘t say I was reporting—which would also be a reportable offense. You imagined this like you imagined a tranny motive like you imagined addendums to well-understood terminology to excuse yourself from the well-understood regulations for maintaining a shred of intellectual integrity on this board; and it‘s easy to see that this is the amount of coddling necessary to make peterson seem like a notable mind.

>>22563570
>t. teenage american from a suburb in Ohio who thinks nazis were great, conservative, freedom-loving individualists like some gay Founding Fathers copy.
Whats next, the pictures of those Ethiopian negros conscripted into the Wehrmacht?

>>22563569
>>22563577
>tl;dr
Stay mad. Or don't. Whichever, anon.

>>22563596
lmao I knew everybody here was illiterate but come on

>>22563570
>>22563578
>these retards are the strange bedfellows allied in their hatred of a Canadian university professor turned e-celeb

>>22563607
>he thinks I don't like Peterson
Again with the illiteracy.

>>22563606
>really mad
>confused 2 retards for 1 is a big gotcha
Anon, take it easy. Jordan Peterson isn't going to hurt you.

>>22563613
>he thinks
I know you're a retard. No more (You)s, anon. Sorry.

I still do not know what bludcooking is. Is it the Peterson Carnivore Diet?

>>22562861
Ah, because Tony Soprano is an intellectual famed for his great sayings

I Jordan Peterson's advice actually legit helpful? Memes aside, of course.

>>22563971
He is a poor excuse for a surrogate father. He provides a basic level of authority over a philosophy of getting your shit in order and not getting too wound up in petty things. Pet the cat, clean the room. It's mostly good stuff. No book with accompanying youtube videos does fatherhood justice, though, and he contradicts too heavily - though I think this to be only outside of his self help texts. Still, the contradictions and the personal issues are too great for him to be filling this role. Jack Murphy got outed a while back. Good riddance. All of these surrogate fathers come off as charlatans to me. Listen to the inflections in his voice. He does not present as a sincere person. The Peterson experts should be able to expound on him at large, but almost never do. I find that curious as well.
tldr, the books are mostly ok, but they will draw weaklings into being manipulated

>>22563998
Truth be told, I'm a bit lost right now and wouldn't mind reading some helpful lit. Recommend anything?

>>22561439
100+ posts though!

>>22561431
>TAW APE KI
what did he mean by this?

>>22562426
it's weird how atheist idolize other atheist bugs whereas when they took power they said idolizing is evil

>>22563288
Ah yes, the timeless strategy of punching right to get to a place where only half a dozen people are invited

>>22564004
I can bitch about Peterson all I want, but this is the second time that I have come up empty handed like this. He slipped into a good niche. I wish he were legit. For a primer, find his list of 12 rules - I think that I have it on a stick somewhere - I'll take a look. The rules themselves were decent. Master those on your own and don't get wound up in his greater philosophy. Carnegie gets shit on here, but people like you need him. The tldr is to learn to listen rather than always trying to keep talking. Gavin Debecker's The Gift of Fear gives a lot of insight into managing fear and practical methods of physical security. The tldr is that while bad things are lurking, they are not actually happening. I shit on Marcus Aurelius because he says ''accretions'' too much and he plagiarizes too much, so Meditations is worth a spin, just don't credit him as an original source of wisdom. He plagiarized well, and it's a good clearing house for ideas. Read Walden. It's worth even more to me now, after finding that he was a fraud and that his sister took him sandwiches. Keep that in mind as you read and you'll be better off for it. He was my hero and his fall was my liberation from wanting a hero. If you are going to stick around then I can dredge a few more ideas.

>>22564069
No, those are good, thank you.

>>22564057

This is the only thing I noticed as well. When I saw no meaning to it, I wondered just what he was doing.

It's not that I necessarily disagree with his direct statement, but it seems odd to specify "Wikipedia" on a separate line, as if Wikipedia was the last bastion.

But there's also TWNPADWATDPETTKMIR

But that doesn't even look like an anagram.

WikaPeat ?
Peawikat? None of this seems very logical, and something about the character of Peterson, as a parasocial surrogate father, doesn't really imply esoteric mysteries. He wouldn't just spell something like this, and if he had written, "Not a suicide" or something, and then died next week, that might be significant, but this just looks like he's lost his last marble.

>>22564078
Take all of them slowly and pull full meaning from them. Pull bios on the authors to give perspective. Also, Debecker had this weird contradictory tirade that he went on about men approaching women and how men needed to develop a new paradigm for approaching women, so as not to scare them - thus depriving them of the gift of fear, which is the entire point of the book. Keep in mind that Debecker is also not perfect. Do not look for heroes or surrogate fathers. They're mostly charlatans. Cut your own way. Sincerely, best of luck. I was in your shoes once.

>>22561431
Anyone plan on reading his new book that's being released early next year? It's called 'We who wrestle with God'.

>>22562412
Retard

>>22562426
>Triggered
Stuck in 2016

>>22562747
Maybe spellchecker bit him.

>>22563502
his pathological kike-worship aside, his first book is deeply powerful & i would highly reading it, especially in conjunction with the other work in picrel

>>22564124
>It's called 'We who wrestle with God'.
I am curious to see this develop.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032:22-32&version=NIV
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-is-the-meaning-of-israel-in-the-bible.html

>>22563542
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Research_Department

>>22564182
>even the flying teapot gets in on the action
neat

I don't get how there are still Peterson lovers on /lit/. He was a charlatan years ago but even today he's somehow a shell of his former self.

>>22564229
>Peterson lovers on /lit/
BAP,Ayn Rand ,Moshfegh and other tribe folks shilled by the same exact people

>>22564229
hows he a charlatan anon? undoubtedly he's made alot of money by becoming a public intellectual, but he could have made almost as much by keeping his head down & continuing to teach psych courses at harvard & UOT without regularly receiving death threats, & getting persecuted by the cucknadian government for badthink, & being branded by the global media as a genocidal misogynist nazi incel whatever supporter

>>22562747
I didn’t know what you were doing and I just thought it was random poetry and I was kind of in to it to be honest,

>>22562412
based

>>22564434
agreed

>>22564057
>>22564084
taking everything that is capitalized
>TAWAPEKMI
and making note of the last line
>In reverse
gets you
>IMKEPAWAT
splitting that up to
>im kepawat
gets you this

>>22564477
You are why I come here. Enjoy your digits. Now we only need discover the cause of his regret.

>>22564434
>public intellectual

>>22562538
Why the fuck am I a cannibal

>>22562477
This

Hey square just noodle it out and don't blow your jets, you think a hep cat like JBP gonna focus his audio in prose when he can drop King's Jive, daddy-o?

Still, no one is talking about what ''blud cooking'' is.

>>22562538
What about the smarter zoomies

Why does he
Write like this

Did the medical coma
Give him brain damage?
Or was he
Always retarded

>>22566190
He did a workshop with Ruby Dahl and Rupi Kaur.

>>22562412
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
Mental health care isn't real.

>>22561526
>based pippa peeking out from the bottom

>>22561526
Since he quasi claims to be a Christian, I wonder if we could get him to disavow the Pharisees.
#notalljews

>>22564434
He absolutely would not have made as much money by continuing to be a professor.

>>22564434
Not the guy you are arguing with, but Peterson makes an ungodly amount of more money in being a public intellectual. Compared to being a private therapist or teaching at an Ivy League school.
He literally became a multi-millionaire through his books, websites, interviews and other ventures.

He makes more in a month nowadays, than ever made as a professor at Harvard/Toronto in 2-3 years.

>>22561431
Can we permanently ban niggers and niggerspeak posters? Twitter screencaps should be globally banned on sight too.

>>22567797
have you tried making threads you like and ignoring the ones you dislike?

>>22562965
Good

>>22567844
Have you tried not making shitty threads that should be deleted on sight like they used to?

>>22567307
>intellectual

>>22567855
Do you know how hard it is to engage in public discourse with people that adamantly and fundamentally disagree with you on a regular basis and make virtually no major gaffes? You can disagree with him but hes obviously one of todays intellectuals just for putting himself in such spheres constantly and holding his own

>>22567869
He's low-key stupid tho

>>22567844
No matter how many reports you make, how many threads you hide, how many shit fucking threads are deleted, they always put two more in their places. This board is fucking dead.
>>22567849
Based and true. Fucking zoomers and niggers shitting up the place.

>>22567897
whats your favorite book

>>22567307 >>22567298
never said that he made money as a therapist-professor-consultant than he does now as a public intellectual culture war personality, i wrote that he only earns relatively more money now in relation to the level of shit he must regularly endure including death threats, defamations, deplatformings, leftist lawfare, etc. what kind of charlatan would choose to make his own life significantly harder when his material standards of living were equivalent to those of the top 5-10% of people living in north america? imagine being illiterate niggers on the fucking /lit/ board, jfc

>>22561431
Why won't he just call them the socialists that they are?

>>22567869
>virtually no major gaffes
clearly you're unfamiliar with his work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhpxFoF2Iw

>>22568329
there are people in the comments unaware that this is a joke video

>>22568395
and anons effortpost in shitty bait & troll threads all of the time: retards are everywhere

>>22562747
how am i ever going to be a good writer when i don't know how to count

>>22564158
10/10 bait

>>22564434
>the feminist TRAP

>>22568419
>10/10 bait
>1 reply

>>22568479
It's literally TOO good of a piece of bait, zoomies who read "Twelve Rules For Life" are probably waiting with bated breath for Amazon to deliver to them their recently purchased copies of "The (Probably Narcissistic-Marxist-Demon) Conspiracy Against The Human Race"

>>22563155
Rats are cute but also serve as a good derogative term.

>>22562412
Absolutely true. The seething against this post is hilarious.

What a retard

>>22563255
You’ve listened to hundreds of drug addicts in your life, you just didn’t have the internet memes about them.

>>22568937
Most drug addicts I meet aren't pretending to improve my life if I only do as they say...

>>22567994
I don't have a single favorite. Moby-Dick, Wuthering Heights, Stoner, and Catcher in the Rye. I don't know why I should reply to a lowercase poster.

>>22569060
The ''favorite book'' question is grade school tier. Such a huge dialectic surrounds it. If one engages the question, one either answers casually as you did, which provides no real value to anyone, or else commits to a needlessly massive amount of introspection in order to derive a meaningful conclusion. People that ask such questions are likely just trying to waste one's time.

>>22564173
>>22564124
>>22567275
>does peterson believe in God?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZfvnFgxPy_k

>>22569920
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZfvnFgxPy_k
That's my point. Even if he is only pretending, he should still side against the Pharisees. Also, it was ridiculous to have him as the ''Christian'' in the debate against Dillahunty.

>>22569984
Yeah peterson's a retard

>>22570051
The way the debate was structured laid bare the fraudulency of the entire web in which he resides. Why was a nominal atheist chosen to represent the religious point of view? Why would he accept the role? What plainer example could there be of Peterson being controlled opposition than him accepting the role of something that he obviously is not? I see no evidence that he ever abandoned being a socialist, as he claims to have done. Everything is pointing the other direction. If he were a legitimate retard then he would not be performing as well as he is. I think him to be a midwit on full afterburners, which is why he performs so well for a stint, and then crashes and burns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmH7JUeVQb8

>>22568273
>death threats, defamations, deplatformings, leftist lawfare
wow he's such a victim, i teared up reading your post. you are fucking crybaby, put a binkie in your mouth and stop posting

Post the best Peteson videos. I want to learn the Peterson dialect.

>>22562755
>>22564445
>>22568412
>niggers don't know what "measure" is
never change /lit/

>>22564627
swap those two images over

>>22568273
>what kind of charlatan would choose to make his own life significantly harder
Someone who likes to feel important, even a martyr for his elected just cause...? Not to mention that twitter spats and shitstorms are very mild difficulties compared to the vast cash and amount of adoring cultist-like fans on the plus side.

>>22572390

I think I'm getting fatherless polfat fatigue

>>22572683
A true petersonian would come in here spreading Jordan's good word, and not weakly hurling insults. We overweight, fatherless, KHHV, chuds should be his most cherished demographic. We are the ones most in need of help. Instead, you despise us and have nothing constructive to bring. Curious that.

>>22562412
It's enough for me, that this retard in the first year of the war talked about how the whole of Europe would freeze without ruzzian gas, because putin would close the valves, lol.

>>22562861
Hope he sees this bro

>>22562538
Vargian retard, you read too much fantasy.

>>22561526
He can't go more than 10 minutes without calling someone evil or despicable. It's all black and white moralizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymdKD6qeLDM

Why is /lit/ turning on him now. Ive been here since 2016 and this has always been a Peterson board

>>22573277
He turned into a raging retard. How can one not see that?

>>22573287
you are falling for an organized defamation campaign

>>22573277
>this has always been a Peterson board
No. There were legit Peterson threads back then, but even then there were a lot of detractors. He never had solid footing here. I do not even recall the last time I saw a petersonian come on here expounding upon some newly gleaned wisdom from his books. It's just been anti-Peterson threads with countering reactionaries. His primary audience is critical /thinking chuds. Once the hypocrisy of ''idpol bad for this group / idpol good for this group'' came to light, he lost those people. That was probably around 2017/2018. Previously, he did have that veneer of taking on the system, but now he has relegated himself to being the atheistic Christian that lobbies for ideology change within the institutions. When he was a rising star, there were assumptions that he was a disestablishmentarian.

>>22573287
He didn't really change, so much as he is less able to hide his true colors while standing so long in the spotlight. It's more that the perception of him changed as the current total compendium of what he espouses is newly reevaluated.

>>22573321
Yes, of the worst sort - former petersonians that reject his hypocrisy.

>>22573321
I don't need to be targeted by any "campaign" to evaluate the completely deranged videos and tweets he's been posting throughout this year. One new peak of cringe after another. I think serious doubts about his sanity began when I hears him read bits of his "poetry" book for kids kek.

>>22573379
Maybe, but if those were his true colors earlier he showed rather commendable moderation. His lectures were a decent introduction to Jungian psych, whatever one might think of it.
Considering it in hindsight, he showed signs of being not perfectly stable when going off on the wildest tangents and chains of association. There's something infirm about the guy, both physically and mentally.

>>22573406
>he showed rather commendable moderation
That is not my perception. For me, it was him reaching a critical mass of readily available espoused opinion in which I could see his hypocrisy. It takes time to build that portfolio. Can you point to an actual change of thought on his part? I do not see a lot of that, just later conflict. In short, that one cannot see his dissonance when only seeing part of his work.

>>22562412

>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness

This is a lie, he never worked in a hospital nor institution, never helped anyone

>>22561526
I can't believe he forgot Hinduism LOL

>>22562644
TRUST THE MIDAS TOUCH

>>22563139
>If someone enjoyed Book 1, would they also enjoy Book 2?
Yes, it's a good book and more of the same.

The whole first chapter is about abandoning ideology so it's pretty anti-political spins in that sense.

is he having a big cry again? why doesn't he fuck off with his "omg based zionists" shit.

>>22562412
Unbelievably based. Hivemind pseuds will continue to seethe though.

>>22563353
>>22563395
It's an idiom you utter retard.

>>22561431
He's clearly mentally ill and a drug addict. The average 2017 soundcloud rapper had a healthier relationship with benzos than Peterson. Of course Klanada can't institutionalize him bc one of his followers would probably shoot up a synagogue if they tried, so he'll never get better which is kind of sad.

>>22575044
>one of his followers would probably shoot up a synagogue if they tried
Peterson and his followers love the ''Jews''.

>>22562412
>psychologist
>academic
>scientist
>professor
>assistant

>>22575171
>assistant
It was his project but he didn't write the software.

Ah sweet! I just got my acceptance letter to lobsterboy academy! Take that, mom!

Ehem, fuck Zionists and fuck Israel

>>22563502
This is accurate. People refuse to examine the gaps in Peterson's worldview, when they do they realize he is a lying grifter.

>>22576823
I don't think he's a liar. He's just a liberal. Most white people don't care about all that racial consciousness bullshit.

>>22578424
>Most white people don't care about [insert issue here]
That is not the point in the slightest degree. Supporting idpol for one party and denigrating idpol for another party is hypocrisy. Being an atheist and playing the role of Christian in a formal debate is unadulterated controlled opposition. Whether or not one is interested in the idpol issue or religion, the hypocrisy and controlled opposition charges still stand. Before his views are ever seriously considered, he needs to address those defects.

>this was /lit/'s intellectual hero for years
I mean, really?

>>22578492
Ideology helps one look past such logic defects. What is his official take on ideology by the way? I am pretty sure that he is ''against'' it, though he is an ideologue himself.

>>22578537
>I am pretty sure that he is ''against'' it, though he is an ideologue himself.
That is exactly his stance.

>>22578451
It’s not hypocritical that’s just how most people are, commie scum. Of course knowing your kind you probably think the average citizen is dumb and shit and agree with monarchy for the wrong reasons

>>22578606
>commie scum
You missed. Try again.

>>22578492
still Stoner, i will dedicate a book of poems to Stonerisms like The Nix

>>22562342
I think it's a north american saying, since they cannot go past the most superficial interpretation

>>22578492
Jodie, cool it with the anti-semetic remarks.

>>22562385
Nice going reagan just blame it all on the drugs, no wonder people do drugs when there's faggots like you

>>22561431
the devil is moving at his own pace anon. there are four categories including those things which fall under interpretation, priori analytics, posterior analytics
ultimately it can be concluded that things of the fourth kind don't exist, citation given, compare to a necessary error whereby the meaning of two things can be the meaning of one thing. in fact alternative to the existential particular, there is also the selective particular although as a rule the selection of a particular must exclude the middle itself

>>22561435
Same reason they dress like MTV negros from Y2K

>>22562342
Nah it means Jordan is a scatophile.
You can't eat gold, but you certainly can EAT SHIT

>>22561447
underrated

>>22561447
Hehe

>>22561526
What did Pippa have to say about it?

>>22578492
Why
The fuck
Does
He
Write
Like that?

>>22578424
You have purposefully missed the point. Every Western nations ethnic connection to their land has been attacked, largely led by a Jewish majority. Why are they permitted to viciously defend their ethnic roots and connection but we are not?

>>22561526

>>22568273
> what kind of charlatan would choose to make his own life significantly harder when his material standards of living were equivalent to those of the top 5-10% of people living in north america?
You think he liked being a scholar in an Ivy League school ? He literally was a benzo addict, running circles in the academic grind.
Of course it was a god sent for him to get famous of those leftist NPCs protesting him at the university in Toronto, because he offended them with one lecture and SWJs called him a "Nazi".
The current culture war basically made his second career and I am sure he enjoys it a lot more.
You are delusional if you think he does not enjoy it to have a far wider audience, while earning absurdly more money.
Also, what defamation is he facing ? He shits on modern day Leftist, 99% of the world despises these people and in the west at least 80% hate them as well.
Everyone that is not a woman, or some Millennial/Zoomer leftist does not share these believe.
Not only that he basically is a leftist anyway, he is not a true right-winger, he is an intellectual gatekeeper.
Most non-insane leftist simply gets labeled right wing by the media nowadays.

>i wrote that he only earns relatively more money now in relation to the level of shit he must regularly endure including death threats, defamations, deplatformings, leftist lawfare
These people literally possess 0 threats. Imagine being scared of some blue haired art hoe, trannies and beta basedims.
You act like he is Salman Rushdie, actually facing dangerous fanatics.
Peterson is simply dunking on politically brainwashed retards and leftist media personal, that has awful arguments and can't reach his debate skills or knowledge.
You act like he has a fatwa on his head, or some actual extremist group is targeting him.
He is shitting on intellectual inferior people for millions of dollars, while also earning huge public admiration.
He is facing actually no opposition except literal insane leftist in the media and the current tranny left.
These people are toothless wolves, they will never uprise, or oppose something with violence.
I am pretty sure he enjoys taking a shit on these people, while earning millions and gaining a huge following.
I would be much more miserable, if I had to face actual fanatics like Muslims, hardcore right-wingers or true communist.
The modern left is absolute pathetic, he faces absolutely no danger.
He is not Rushdie, Samuel Paty,Stéphane Charbonnier, Alexej Nawalny or Jamal Kashoggi. People that actually criticized extremist group or governments, that are notorious for murdering their enemies.
He is facing clownish enemies, while also having the bonus of being a righteous crusader, that the majority of the average population agrees with.
I bet even the benzos didn't kick as hard as earning millions of dollars a year, while being an underdog facing comically easy enemies.

>>22581222
It's the new post-modernist style.

i have no idea who this guy is but alll the zoomers at my office treat hm like he's a prophet