/lit/ - Literature

Because we‘re livin‘ it babe

>>23087431
>we

It is weird to think about how I used to have the sort of life such magazines pander to, or at least was a part of that world and could have had that life if I wanted it. Not sure if I made the right choice or not and I probably did not have to give up that entire world but when I gave up music I gave up everything it brought me too and went back to my old life.

>>23087589
You were a middle aged white woman with three kids? That's the kind of person kink books are usually aimed at..

>>23087600
I said life not person and magazine not book (notice the watermark top right). But good job, you are such a clever little man. Your mom must be so proud of you.

>>23087589
Music is a mind-numbing drug, this should be discussed more.

>>23087431
Sid from Ice Age

>>23087667
I don't really agree but the life of a musician is not for most people and gets old quick, by the end of your first real tour you really appreciate home and if you keep it up you largely give up meaningful relationships until you get big enough that you don't have to constantly tour to pay the bills and make your name.

>>23087721
I don't know about actually being a musician, but blasting out your thoughts with airpods all day is not natural. Humans did not evolve to have anywhere near this much access to music, it was something you did in a group around the campfire at the end of the day.

>>23087731
>Humans did not evolve to have anywhere near this much access to music
this applies to absolutely everything though, humans did not evolve with such easy access to that many forks, throw away your cutlery

>>23087668
STFU NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN

>>23087758
Yeah sure but there is open discussion about everything else like this that has an obvious effect on our brains and lifestyle, whereas people get really sensitive about music. It's a major contributor to the number of zoomers and millennials who say they can't live with their own thoughts.

>>23087731
The access to music is something that grew gradually over a long period of time, not like airpods were just invented and the world changed. Music around a campfire at the end of the day has been niche for centuries now, pretty much something that only happens when you go camping.

>>23087766
Then why is it not an issue with Gen-X? We may have not had airpods but we had headphones and portable music playing devices and the ghetto blasters and boom boxes, no more common now than it was in the 80s and 90s.

>>23087774
>>23087804
You guys are getting so fucking pedantic here. Yeah, obviously people were dealing with a lesser version of the same problem a few decades ago, it's just really reached an extreme level.

>>23087850
So it was lesser just because it was? What is with you zoomers believing everything is worse for you? The general victim mentality and lack of accountability is what really seems to be the problem, just turn off your phone ffs.

>>23087891
This is what I'm talking about, this topic really hits a nerve with people like you.

Look, it's not remotely hard to understand. Recent technology has made it very easy to walk around all day with whatever noise you want being blasted directly into your ears. Additionally, it has become quite normalized to the point that you have a lot of people acting like it's weird if you *don't* listen to music constantly. Yes, it has been physically possible to walk around with portable music since the 1980's but it was enough of a hassle (had to have a huge thing on your head, had to physically carry around what you were going to listen to, also had to deal with batteries and general difficulties of early tech) that not that many people did it.

And while we're at it, podcasts. You couldn't just click a button and hear a 60 minute long friendsimulator about the latest hot take on twitter while you walk around campus.

>>23087914
People like me? Hit a nerve? lol. You really think I care that much about your delusions? Nothing will change until you take accountability and stop playing the victim, turn off the phone for a few hours everyday, you won't die.

>>23087667
Modern music, sure. Classical, on the other hand, is like reading a challenging book. If you take the time to learn how to properly extract its gifts, you'll be uplifted and a superior version of yourself in the end.

>>23087973
holy pseud

>>23087980
>t. doesn't understand classical

>>23087965
>Nothing will change until you take accountability and stop playing the victim, turn off the phone for a few hours everyday, you won't die.
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>23087991
I think he was commenting more on you than the music.

>>23087991
half of the music I listen to is classical, but people being snobbish about it are total cringe

>>23088002
Clearly, because he has nothing to comment on regarding the music.

>>23088006
All people of refined taste become snobbish. Inferior people need to be informed that they're inferior, otherwise they'll confuse their inferiority for superiority.

>>23088013
>I am superior because I listen to ______
feel free to name a composer which makes you feel the most superior

>>23088027
Like people, forms and genres of art are not equal. To think some shitty grunge or techno album, no matter how popular, is equivalent to classical, is to be a complete buffoon in regards to assessing the artistic merit of a work.

>>23087721
>you largely give up meaningful relationships
where do you think you are?

>>23087431
I did read this one

>>23088086
and how do you like it?

>>23087431
I read Venus in Furs some time ago. It was not very notable, except for two things.
First, BDSM tropes have apparently changed very little over time, at least since the 19th century. I'm sure Masoch didn't come up with much of this stuff himself either, but if you look at modern fetish literature, you'll find much of the same stuff - same floggings, same social dynamics, same cuckolding and emotional torture. I guess it speaks to how little sex and human attitudes to it have changed, at least for humans who do it.
Second, there's an episode where the protagonist is already firmly enslaved by his partner/mistress, but suddenly she takes a liking to an anonymous german painter, who is immediately captivated by her and very quickly falls down the same rabbit hole as the protagonist. I found it oddly funny and in a way even comforting - he has a very resigned and experienced attitude towards this, like "yeah, welcome to the club, buddy".

>>23088013
> Inferior people need to be informed that they're inferior, otherwise they'll confuse their inferiority for superiority.
Most people who are superior, whatever skill or discipline of knowledge is they are superior in, don't feel the need to go around informing everyone about how superior they are.

>>23088214
>Most people who are superior, whatever skill or discipline of knowledge is they are superior in, don't feel the need to go around informing everyone about how superior they are.

It should be noted though that the same impression is given when you simply don‘t engage people talking about Netflix shows or mumble rap or whatever.

>>23088262
I don't know, I think it's a meaningfully different message. I don't really watch netflix or listen to mumble rap either, so I also don't have much to discuss with people when they do. But I don't think that I'm superior or that they are inferior. I don't think they read my reluctance to discuss it with them either.
Ultimately music is just a way to tickle your brain in a particular way. Either the way they like their brain tickled is different from mine, or the same but it requires a different approach. Whatever, I attach no more meaning to this than to them using a different brand of dish detergent than me.

For the record, I think much of the supposed "superiority" of classical music comes from it being associated with nobility and "fine arts" from older times. If you can get the social elite to listen to mumble rap for a few centuries and get professional critics to write about that music with the aplomb associated with classical music for a few centuries, and after that you make culture more accessible and deconstruct the notion of "elite" - you'll get the same result.

>>23088304
There is absolutely no comparison between the level of composition in a classical piece as compared to popular works of today, and in stating as much you have only exposed that you can‘t actually understand classical music and listen to it for superficial reasons.

>>23088262

>>23087431
I slap that hoe across the room until she goes through the wall

>>23087759

>>23088214
>Most people who are superior, whatever skill or discipline of knowledge is they are superior in, don't feel the need to go around informing everyone about how superior they are.
False. Superior people love to rub it in other people's noses. See: the French.

>>23088425
>french
>superior

>>23088367
They know because they are listening to Prokofiev right now (Prokofiev is low-tier dance music)

>>23087914
As far as modern stimulating distractions go, music is pretty far down the list. Zoomers mostly use music as background noise while they're engaged in 2-3 other simultaneous distractions and scrolling social media. Average zoomer and probably even millennial could not close their eyes and intently listen to a whole 5 minute song from start to finish, let alone an album.

>>23087667
muslim brown hands typed this post

>>23088304
>For the record, I think much of the supposed "superiority" of classical music comes from it being associated with nobility and "fine arts" from older times. If you can get the social elite to listen to mumble rap for a few centuries and get professional critics to write about that music with the aplomb associated with classical music for a few centuries, and after that you make culture more accessible and deconstruct the notion of "elite" - you'll get the same result.
>leftoids actually believe this

holy kek