/lit/ - Literature

>>23373714
>she
Found a problem
Don't pretend to be a homosexual. If you're comfortable revealing the nature of the work, do so and explain that not a fruit--just fruit-like

>>23373723
I don't know, if he wrote an entire novel (in the 1st person I bet) that comes off as gay, he's probably just fucking gay. Are you a virgin, OP?

>>23373714
>I was just raised in a theatrical home

Just write Charles as a gay character, but don't sell yourself as a gay writer if you're not. That should solve hte problem I think. Of course, most people will assume youy're gay anyway if you are writing about a gay character and are "theatrical" in real life, but that's just fine.

>>23373777
A sensitivity reader would blast him for that. Gay equivalent of black face.

>>23373734
>>23373777
Ignore these and integrate into the story that the character likes women.

>>23373799
Just add in authentic gay scenes like farting cum out of your butt after you wake up in the morning.

>>23373804

As if that's going to fool anyone.

I say this with all seriousness: you’re a woman in a man’s body, and a lesbian. Research dysphoria. Thank me later.

>>23373849
Kill yourself

>>23373799
That sensitivity reader should lose their job. Black face in literature would be based.

>>23373871
Statistical inevitability.

>>23373714
>a lot of personal and professional questions.
>It's really clear
>if you had the courage

you should tell her she's a bitch and drop her.. she's way out of line. find another agent.

>>23373714
Have you tried another agent?

I wouldn't read a novel about a gay character.

>>23373920
>>23373926
Do you unpublished niggas not know how hard it is to get an agent?

>>23373968
Why don't you just self-publish

>>23373714
> Magnum Opus
> Literally under 30

Never write yourself in your stories. Your editor will rip "You" to shreds. Also, you are too young to call it a Magnum Opus. It's a stepping stone. Women love reading about gay men. Most Yaoi fans are females. If a tweak would make things sell more, do it. Finally, have you considered that you are actually bisexual in real life? There's no shame in it. Most people are to some degree. A side effect of women being into gay things: they have better than normal gaydar.

>>23373849

OP never said he's feeling conflicted or unsatisfied in his life, so it's not appropriate to suggest that he is suffering from some kind of dysphoria. The only thing he seems to be suggesting is that he's "theatrical" which is not a problem in itself.

>>23373714
Lmao I hope this is true, OP.

>>23373714
Also don’t compromise on your vision - unless you’re doing it for money. Which is fine, you do you babe.

>>23373714
>I'm not gay, bros


LMAOOOOO

>>23373714
Why must one make it explicit? Welch in In Youth Is Pleasure for example never does

>>23373714
>I'm not gay, bros, I was just raised in a theatrical home
Sounds like something a fairy would say.

>>23374221
Neither does Brideshead Revisited which is turbogay.

you make a writing post outside of /wg/ and you get the chirstcuck treatment. enjoy

>>23374933
>implying someone with actual hope of publication would post in /wg/

>>23373714
>I'm not gay, bros, I was just raised in a theatrical home
Nigga u gay

>>23373983
This. OP should embrace be a “chaotic bisexual” he will get publication and will have hot mentally ill women throwing themselves at him.

this faggot won't sell more than 30 books, and now he's giving half of that away. who fucking cares.

>>23373714
> "theatrical"
You're definitely at least a little fruity

>>23375644
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

>>23373799
>A sensitivity reader

you can tell these people to fuck off you know

>>23373714
dumb normalfag agent. she literally can't resist the he not normal big masculine male so must be cock lover meme. reject societal bias and tell her in plain english the character is not gay

>>23373714
It's a shit test.

>>23373714
Some women literally only read Gay men books. You probably got a fag hag yaoi reader as a agent. I would say post the best paragraphs of your opus, but Anons will obligatory call it gay, even if it’s not.

>>23373714
>comic baritone
what the fuck does this means lmao

>>23376888
A baritone who specializes in humorous roles with a lot of patter elements. This: https://youtu.be/WKsSnVC8wbk?si=62JxOjxzElWVENnm

You are all a bunch of disgusting faggots with nothing worthwhile to say

>>23376888
>>23376964

i'm guessing a role like figaro?

>>23377073
Yes, but in continental grand opera the category of “comic baritone” is not really a thing. That would just be a baritone. Comic baritones are a largely UK invention, for the Savoy Operas and their many imitators. They were usually men with a greater talent for physical humor and a very strong skill with patter songs, who had no pretension of rising to grand opera. Typically woman especially sopranos would play savoy operas in their youth and attempt to graduate to grand opera, while the men were often lifers.

>>23377203
>Savoy Operas

what are these, like broadway musicals?

>>23377253
Forerunner of the broadway musical. Considered a form of opera rather than musical theater because there is much less dialogue and they require a full pit orchestra and (historically) classically trained singers.
https://youtu.be/ljGqb2loshQ?si=TTmZUbXi_jxsTB80
https://youtu.be/8V98xXAtDOo?si=hIrZe_gxBlJ1qkVL
The above are clips from the movie topsy turvy but they are autistically accurate recreations of the what Savoy Operas were like in their heyday.

>>23373926
If you drop an agent because you're "homophobic" you'll never get another one ever.

OP books aren't for anyone but gays and women now, sorry.

>>23373714
Why would you even care if you 'magnum opus' is 'salable'? Did you write it for money and glory? If that's the case your shit is probably not worth reading.
Dump your 'agent', you don't need that bitch, you're either authentic or you're not.

>>23373714
You have to realize that only women and gays will ever possibly give a shit about your book. The best thing you can do is cater to them and hope to rise the ranks on lgbtqia2p+ book lists.

gay or straight, character or author, it doesn't matter. the question is if you're going to fold because of literally the first note from an agent you get about how to make your "opus" more "salable" or if you're going to grow a spine. tell that bitch you want it to be vague like the talented mr ripley

>>23377289
The chorus women in the second video are so cute.

>>23378712
If you’re into fatties, I guess.

Nigger

>>23373714
I've got one thing to say to you OP. You're fucking gay! As in homosexual

>>23377289
I need that fat curly bitch on my cock if she also has hairy pits and legs with similar curly hair everywhere.

>>23373929
Lol loser

>>23380048
Who are you referring to?

>>23380082
2:08 in the second video. Reminds me of the hot hairy chubby maid from Gaudi in der Lederhose.

>>23380112
Ah. Not quite my thing. The girls at 1:35 are my waifus tho

>>23380147
Cute.

>>23373714
Wokeness in action.
Feminists in the publishing industry have decreed that straight men be eradicated from literature.
Don't bow to these cunts, anon.

>>23380147
the brunette girl with the big nose is so adorable.

>>23373714
I'd keep writingmaxxing, and then circumvent the agent and self-publish. Make backups of your work though.

>>23373968
>Agent: "Mister Andersoooooooooooon!"

>>23373714
Also, the 'There are no gays in Ireland' meme applies here. Your character must be an entertaining man, and that's not the same as taking penis in the rectum.

>>23373714
To the question 'Is it over?': No, you're just getting started. Or it can be over if you stop writing, it's your personal choice.
Like, I've had insults ranging from 'queer' to 'he likes sadomasochism' and temptations like you wouldn't believe, but here I am, having continued an opus today. It's not magnum, but it's opus.
Don't let them gaycrazy you OP! Good efforts on your progress.

do you have sex OP?

>>23382189
>self-publish
And then what? Have your shit sit on Amazon with 3 sales in the next 20 years? You really don't get how this industry works do you? You don't get invited to promo events, you don't go to book tours in Podunk, Dingleberry, you don't get your shit bought by libraries, you don't get any interviews, etc.

>>23382228
Sadly no.

>>23373714
Sounds like good advice. Keep in mind an agents primary goal is to sell your manuscript. In publishing, especially e-book publishing, there’s a huge financial incentive to match keywords, so you show up on lists and in search results. It’s so prevalent that many authors essentially pull 10 keywords out of a hat and edit their outline to include them all.

You’re in an interesting spot. Because a book is presumed to be straight unless it specifically mentions gayness, “gay” is a keyword, but “straight,” isn’t. Likewise for white/black, man/woman, and so on. The net result is a systematic inversion of intersectionality, where the more “marginalized” your characters are, the more keywords they win you, and the more algorithms will promote your work.

Before people claim this is a conspiracy, I want to point out that the keyword issue is apolitical. If readers must search for a specific term (in this case, the non-hegemonic identity) in order to find books, then that term will appear in queries, and seem to reflect demand. But if the opposite (hegemonic identity) can be found without searching, there will be no record of demand for it. So the data publishers glean from search results reflects a minority of readers, and they mistakenly extrapolate to a majority. Of course, there are political interests that benefit from this phenomenon. But it’s an unavoidable consequence of search.

Sadly, publishers are statistically illiterate, so explaining this to them is impossible, and they’re more likely to buy books that match search terms — even though those books have smaller audiences in practice. So, from your agents perspective, adding the “gay” keyword will sell your manuscript. If you’re interested in legacy publishing, follow her advice. Otherwise, work with a small press or self-publish.

t. former pubtech employee

>>23373983
>Never write yourself in your stories.
Hmmm...
>Finally, have you considered that you are actually bisexual in real life? There's no shame in it. Most people are to some degree.
Groomers go back to >>>/lgbt/ and preferably prison.

>>23384248
>adding the “gay” keyword

but does this apply to the manuscript or to the author?

>>23384642
Both, though authors who identify as gay get the additional benefit of fellowships, grants, and gay-exclusive contests.

That said, there is also anti-gay discrimination. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

>>23373714
anon, she *wants* the charecter to be gay

if you attempt to read for homo erotic subtones, every single piece of literature with two men is considered gay

the reason she said "saleable" and not "good" is because she is trying to bully you into changing your work to meet her fetishes

likewise, alot of the anons in this thread want you to be gay, to make you more of a spectacle to laugh at.

it means nothing, and you will find a nice girl to settle down with

>>23382230
>I've sold 20 million books!
>Of these 20 million, 1 was read

>I've sold 3 books!
>They've been read 20 million times because they were pirated and distributed for free.

Anything's possible. People telling other people that 'X is how it works' are people telling other people, but who are not at work at that present moment. Now quit your blabbering and put the pen to paper.

>>23384248

this, OP. just change the character to be gay so that she can sell the book to an editor and their publisher. if you want to traditionally publish nowadays, you need either an LGBTQ or DEI angle, and this is true for basically every fiction genre.

if you have an agent you are 95% closer to publishing a book than anyone else will ever be - the remaining 5% is your book being on submission and either getting acquired or not. your agent sounds like a stupid cunt (the "courage" line especially), but literary agents are not very smart and have zero talent for anything except identifying marketing/genre keywords, so just suck it up and make the sacrifice if you want to make a career out of writing. good luck and congrats on finishing a book

>>23384248
>Before people claim this is a conspiracy, I want to point out that the keyword issue is apolitical. If readers must search for a specific term (in this case, the non-hegemonic identity) in order to find books, then that term will appear in queries, and seem to reflect demand. But if the opposite (hegemonic identity) can be found without searching, there will be no record of demand for it. So the data publishers glean from search results reflects a minority of readers, and they mistakenly extrapolate to a majority. Of course, there are political interests that benefit from this phenomenon. But it’s an unavoidable consequence of search.
So it's basically just a form of survivorship bias?

>>23388909
Right on the money, anon.

>do whatever you have to do to get published and famous
>then later release the true unaltered version and explain how you were discriminated against and forced to deface your own work
any issues with this plan

>>23373714
What aspects of the character does she find gay? Describe the character more (or yourself)

>>23384248

but the bestselling novels are never "gay" or "lgbt" or any of these keywords. they're just "thriller" or "mystery" or "literary" and so on. that's actually where the main or mass market is. so by using "gay" you may gain a niche audience but lose the main audience.

>>23373983
Women have no concept of male homosexuality. Fujoshit is lesbians in male bodies. Women will never understand scalie bara comics etc.

Also anyone who compromises the integrity of their work to push homoshit belongs on the business end of a bayonet. That's one of the most hideous habits a man can have; it's an incestuous neutering of real male love

>>23373983
>Never write yourself in your stories.
What does this even mean? How would the editor even know this seeing as he doesn't even know you that well?

>>23390623
>homoshit
>real male love

it makes you wonder...

>>23373714
"I'm not gay, bros."
It's over for you.

>>23373714
Play the identity game. You gotta be faggotmaxxing. She's already giving you an in so just go with it.

>>23373714
Tell her to write her own book if she wants creative control. Find someone else.