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>>2809045
good question i always assumed that the economy would be gold based or a purely capitalistic barter based
system.
I went to college for Poli sci and i know some people that wrote their thesis on anarchism but they were punk hippies and i was unwilling to take them to seriously so i never found out what writers they focused on. i would like to hear you questions answered.

Well, if you want a real-life example of anarchism put into practice look at Somalia - effectively in a state of anarchy since 1995. Rather than being what most ideological "anarchists" promote, it has become something more resembling medieval feudalism with warlords as monarchs.

>>2809077
>Anarchy
>Warlords as monarchs

Yeah, that ain't anarchy.

>>2809045
would you mind discussing with me what you do understand of anarchist theory because while i also have not read much of the proper text on the subject i have been thinking of it a lot over the years.

Personally i view my self as some form of libertarian communist anarchist but i think that would mean i am a hypocrite.
what are your theories of a economic system in a anarchist reality

You could read some Bakunin.

Communism and Anarchy are for college-age brats and idealists who don't have a grasp on reality.
Socialism is doable, but not many people (well, in the U.S., at least) don't like shitloads of taxes.

while u bring up a good point
>>2809077
Somalia has a central government. People mistakenly say its in a state of anarchy but in reality its a kleptocracy where the warlords and pirate leaders bribe and buy the political government so that they will ignore their official duties. Also Somalia didn't revolt into a intended state of anarchy there we violent uprisings and power grabs and a tribal system of protect your family first through allying with even stronger tribal bands resulting in states within a state.
But this brings up a good question can anarchism survive if people are more inclined to revert to a tribal structure?

If you`re looking for individual anarchism read Max Stirner (muh spooks) or Lysander Spooner (Muh natural rights). If you want the general libertarian socialist/communist type of anarchism, read Bakunin, Benjamin Tucker, Emma Goldman, Kropotkin or Proudhon.


Personally, Stirner and Spooner are my favorites. I admire Stirner`s endorsement of crime in order to go beyond the state, thus making it superfluous with the formation of the Union of Egoists; I very much doubt the "revolution,man" type of anarchy will lead to anything but strong Authoritarian rule.

stirner and proudhon are also pretty good starts. and chomsky's little essay, I can't really recall the name though.

Che Guevara t-shirts for everyone.

you seem very well read
>>2809108
what stance do u take on the economic system in a anarchist reality?

i don't like Chomsky that much

government is irrelevant

In my opinion, anarchy can't work. Eventually, a group of people, through power or trickery, will naturally end up ruling another group. I guess it also depends on when controlling a group of people becomes "governance."

In my opinion, anarchy, from a "no gods no masters" standpoint, is impossible.

Anarcho-Socialist here.

Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin.

>>2809137
how the fuck do u have socialism without a governing body?

>>2809156

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism

i have heard of it before i am asking you defend your self
>>2809161
it hypocritical its just socialism with individual rights nothing anarchist about it.
who collects the taxes distributes the taxes and decides what the taxes are used for?

I highly suggest reading homage to Catalonia if you're interested as to see how anarchism works as a viable form of government.

>>2809156
>>2809174
Why should you need a gobernment to have socialism? Society can organize itself without the need of an extern institution of authority regulating it. Social Anarchism is the best expression of both individual liberties and social equality.

>>2809086

for me anarchist theory is anything that discusses the consequences of implementing anarchism. The first hurdle would be how to implement anarchism. for example if America were to suddenly abolish the government what would even happen? would a tribal system emerge? would the corporations try to take control of the void and implement corporationism (without the face of democracy). How would the effects differ from implementing anarchism slowly i.e. gradual reduction of the laws and state (maybe even the occasional enlargement of it if things get out of hand) in order to get people used to the idea of no direct authority during a very long preliminary period. But mostly what I would want to know is what would anarchism look like. would the moral code of what is considered right and wrong simply be adopted from the state that existed before, or, would people group together with others of their own ideological leanings and create communes in which they create little bubbles where they live in accordance to their own philosophies and politics, and how would those interact with other "bubbles". Or will people group more pragmatically simply into families (or both).

I'm guessing what needs to be done is that an area needs to be designated as anarchic, government has to be abolished and it needs to be chronicled and analyzed over generations. Personally I think the area would eventually turn into a state again over the centuries (maybe even decades), but to see what happens in between would give enlightenment of what awaits beyond the state and how would the new state that might eventually form differ from the original.

Foucault. Kant.

>>2809199
>Kant
>Anarchy
>Believed that international organizations would solve all ills
>Regarded as the father of international liberalism

u wot m8?

the only succesful way to anarchy is autarchy. tear down the cities, they are an obsolete remnant from modernity and limit absolute freedom. move back to the country. become self-sufficient. don't like your neighbour? move farther away, there's enough land for everyone. from that point on, all interpersonal interactions are completely voluntary. currency disappears and gift culture replaces it. post-left anarchism deals with all these points thoroughly.
science and technology don't have to disappear. in fact they can be used to speed up the process of decentralization and self sufficiency. art doesn't have to disappear either. in the spirit of gift culture, knowledge is distributed freely and voluntarily.

>>2809105
>>2809083
Somalia is an anarchy in the sense of not having a sovereign authority that controls the territory of the state. The central government exists, but its power is de facto limited to Mogadishu and the rest is ruled by whoever is capable of ruling. >>2809077 is correct in that what you get when you abolish the state is not a world without the rule of man over man, but rather a much nastier form of that rule.

>hippies
>anarchism
I don't want to read the rest of the thread. I forgot why I stopped browsing /lit/ despise loving literature. You guys are seriously horrible people.

>>2809236
>some Rousseau type shit
>also thinking science and technology could go on

Do you have any idea of the processes needed to create a simple scalpel? Let alone say, antibiotics or an x-ray machine? Centralised and planned organisation is required for all of this. That whole "back to the land" bullshit will end up with medieval type shit at best.

I've got no problems with primitivism, but you do need to fully accept the consequences of it. If you are willing to sacrifice everything to "be your own boss" living like some shitty 17th century trapper then fine by me.

>>2809222

troll'd

>>2809252

>despise
>trolled

I think the only real implementation of anarchy will be something like a DMZ. Like NO government authority will be recognized in Antarctica or space.
I think Most people will still want to live in a traditional state of their origin but the few who wish to live in an anarchist state will join a Station, ship, or colony either in space or on Antarctica.

>>2809256
i agree with you that a world wide state of anarchy would make many parts of modern life impossible but it is also impossible that all the people in the world will agree to anarchy.
If in space then you need not pay taxes to police army or other emergency services because only you will be able to deal with those issues when they arise but i think if a state of anarchy exist in space then trade with earth based states would be common.

>>2809222
Kant has either the or one of the earliest definitions of anarchy as lawfulness without coercion. Understanding Kant is also instrumental to understanding Proudhon.

>>2809308
Anarchy is impossible on a boat, let alone a space ship. Basically, in any situation where shit needs to be dediced in a swift manner there will always have to be a chain of command.

>>2809359
There are ways around that that are already in use in many areas (mostly to mitigate or simplify accountability). One popular way is putting in place procedure. There are also some actions which are much slower under the kind of hierarchy you're talking about that compared to a more flat social structure.

The other thing is that simply having a chain of command isn't necessarily contrary to anarchy. The conflict arises if that chain of command embodies some kind of normative, usually political, coercion.

>>2809359
nothing says anarchists can't use a (artificial) hierarchy for practical matters. it can be agreed upon based on each person's knowledge and willingness to assume each task, but no position has special benefits. basically if you want to run shit you do it for pleasure, altruism, etc.

Fuck the people who answered here, read Henry FUCKING Thoreau

Referring to anarchism as 'something for overly idealistic hippies or chaotic juvenile punks' really showcases your ignorance. I'm not trying to insult you at all op, it's just that it would be ideal not to say this kind of thing in front of anybody with a knowledge of anarchist theory. Well I guess that's what an anonymous board is for, asking these kinds of questions.

I would recommend Daniel Guerin's two works as a general introduction to anarchism. He highlights the anarchist idea of federalism, their version of a connected and integrated economy devoid of political authority, which seems like the topic you're interested in. 'Anarchism - from theory to practise' introduces the main thinkers and has a good bibliography of all the canonical works. Guerin is a good starting point.

>>2809137
>Proudhon, Bakunin
JEEEWWWWSSSS

>>2809527
Do labour notes actually make sense?

>>2809527

>Jews
>must be bad

Generalizations and broad brushes are more favored over at >>>/pol/

>>2809527
You can't blame them; Jews go hand in hand with usury.

>>2809137
Do labor notes make sense?

>>2809530
>Cunt doesn't know anything about the authors I'm commenting on
>Replies anyways
They're hardcore anti-semites you dumb fuck. I was pointing out THEIR line of thinking.

>>2809536

Apologies.

You see, in an anarchist society people would still be able to create political states. But they can't force the rest of us to live within that state or abide by its rules.

I'm not an anarchist but I also don't write it off as being unrealistic. Is it idealistic? Yes. But why shouldn't we strive for the ideal? We may not get there but at least we'll end up somewhere better. Hopefully.

>>2809104
If you think socialism means high taxation then you don't know what socialism is, breh.

>>2809539
>You will never see this kind of civility on /pol/

>>2809549
It's the classic american definition/propaganda.

The Diposessed by Ursula K. Le Guin. Almost made me turn to anarchy.

Whoa. all of this talk about things "working." Yawn. I wish I had the time to talk about how anarchism wont work because I am too busy struggling against the powers that just to maintain existence. I don't have the privilege to make hypothetical assumptions of what wont work and what will all I know is what causes mine and others woes and I know how to end it. I do not even call for an immediate awesome world after the rev. or some other nonsense I just advocate the struggle against authority and oppression, which I can see as an ongoing battle. The future of anarchism is unwritten.

Also, a brief critique of our concept of working. Capitalism "works" as in, it has been able to sustain it's own existence, but one must acknowledged the cost of such feat. Poverty, wars, mass starvation, etc. etc. So, just because a system works for some does not mean that it is victimless and warrants it's own existence.

Also, life under capitalism and the state is hella boring.

Read:
Alfredo Bonano- Armed Joy
Anonymous- At Daggers Drawn
Debord- Society of the Spectacle (Not anarchist but he is more anarchisty than some anarchist)
Novatore- Towards the creative nothing

The "American definition" means the uneducated definition
>>2809562
and while i agree most American i know are only educated by the propaganda they subscribe to but when u say it that way u dumb the conversation because even you must know some of use do educate our selves.

But i refuse to recognize anarcho socialism as a real thing its a oxymoron you cant have a ruling body tax and distribute if you don't believe in a ruling bodies right to tax or distribute

>>2809601
I never meant to imply that no Americans are able to educate themselves; I was only speaking in general terms. What I meant was that many Americans swallow what they are told to swallow.

Fuq, all dis talk about the gov and shiet you knoe tht I jus wan be able pee in public

>>2809601
I'm not an anarcho-syndicalist or socialist, but couldn't you look at taxation in the system as a communal pool of funds necessary for ambitious infrastructure, healthcare systems etc
It might differ from system to system but refusal to participate might result in ostracism from some institutions, and while I'm sure this could be highlighted by opponents as a supplementary coercive system, it is definitely not equivalent in all aspects and in most cases could be fair
Rather than coercive syndicalists want participation to be voluntarism, and social participation is obviously beneficial,
which means you hand over dosh because you want your local roads to be maintained and similar things
the hope probably is though that, like Thoreau, if you don't want to put money towards a war in Mexico you don't have to (eg, tax isn't centralized and spending is transparent)

>>2809599
1 Capitalism doesn't oppress people people oppress people
2 All political theory is "hey how would the world be if ___ happened." so saying its a waste of time just shows how much you value most of written history.
3 "because I am too busy struggling against the powers that (be) just to maintain existence. I don't have the privilege to make hypothetical assumptions of what wont work and what will all I know is what causes mine and others woes and I know how to end it" Wow so i guess i should pick up a gun run into the streets and join your struggle. Unless you live in Syria i doubt you do but bitch IRL
>>2809599

>>2809612
Well you cant have a large pool of funds without someone becoming corrupt its just a fact of humanity. And a sitting pool of cash meant for emergency expenditure or municipal maintenance is unfeasible because someone will say "i believe in god will heal my if i get sick so i don't wanna pay for that" or i don't wanna build a bridge to hicksville i don't do trade there and the roads covered by regular maintenance are unimportant to me. so a way around that is voluntary charity drives fund only the projects you support when they need the cash. But I support a Gypsy space system
>>2809615

>>2809621
>1 Capitalism doesn't oppress people people oppress people
It is called a social construct, and capitalism is the manifestation of such interpersonal oppression.

>2 All political theory is "hey how would the world be if ___ happened." so saying its a waste of time just shows how much you value most of written history.
>implying history is not just another concept to be negated.
It is a waste of time because it ignores the the very real turmoil going on currently and focuses on the plethora of outcomes possible after the main mediums of authority (State, and capital) are destroyed.
>3 "because I am too busy struggling against the powers that (be) just to maintain existence. I don't have the privilege to make hypothetical assumptions of what wont work and what will all I know is what causes mine and others woes and I know how to end it" Wow so i guess i should pick up a gun run into the streets and join your struggle. Unless you live in Syria i doubt you do but bitch IRL
I honestly don't have anything to prove to you personally, but I will tell you about the legal activities I partake in. Food not bombs, workplace organizing/ tenant organizing, protest organizing.

Just because capitalism doesn't have you breaking your back in the fields does not mean that it was worth giving up your autonomy.

well its all in the way you take it brother. i used to look at it in a punk way, because i like punk and what it stands for you, but there is double standards to it all (using the spray paint from wal-mart to make anarchy sighns, busting windows and burning down starbucks.) but when youj grow up and think critically and look at the true value of it, this country is based one anarchy. the act of being free and doing so and not just a mean of no governments but governing yourself. if the whole hypocracy thing is stopping you from taking it seriously you should take in that hypocracy is something you cannot really shake off. would anyone like to ask me some direct questions? i dont feel like going off on an undirect tangent about it ill do my best to give my perspective on it. im sorry also for my bad spelling and punctuation, im a little drunk, i dont use that for my excuse though i just admit i am terrible at writing though i love literature, politics and intellects. im just a really lazy person

>>2809631
>just a fact of humanity
'facts of humanity' aren't normative, and the naturalistic fallacy is a dead zone
The premise that pooling money will result in corruption is just as much an indictment of states as voluntary ventures

As for the guys talking about gods and whatever alternatives they see, I'd like to think they become societies new deviants, or 'deviants from rationality' . This rests on the hopefulness that education and critical thinking become successful enterprises, which may not be true.

As for the bridge to hicksville that is a fair point but I do believe isolated communities will always experience difficulties necessarily
But arguments could be made for: solidarity (including as many people as possible in social infrastructure) vicarious benefits (opens up whatever hicksville has to offer in terms of location, trade and people) or progressive unification (spreading the benefits of society as far as possible...eventually)

>>2809643
"implying history is not just another concept to be negated
It is a waste of time because it ignores the the very real turmoil going on currently" OH i see you Fuckn trolling me fine
Before we start this whole thing here is a bit about me i believe in communism and that a utopian society might one day exist but it a goal to work towards not a destination at the end of some directions

"Food not bombs, workplace organizing/ tenant organizing, protest organizing" Ya i used to work for acorn to it was a waste of time. Tenant organizing, i live in a rent control apartment in NYC so i have spent quite some time in court i know my rights if other people need you to tell them their rights its cause they are lazy. And please that's not fighting the good fight its fighting the pestering fight. Whatever your illegitimate activities are i don't wanna know about it because they don't further shit but making it harder to bring real people into the discussion of how we build a better world.

"capitalism is the manifestation of such interpersonal oppression" that's just a line of bullshit u feed people. if the world ended tomorrow and i needed to feed myself i would need to barter with someone for scarce resources pretending the world would work some other kind of way is a lie. trade doesn't oppress people. its said some places and people don't have the resources required to survive but capitalism doesn't create crooks and criminals and without there would still be crooks and criminals.
And you don't know what i do to pay the rent so go fuck yourself i might not be sucking my masters cock for cash but i don't live an easy life
And yes i am picking a fight with you so come at me BRA

ya im lazy with grammar and spelling too
>>2809657
my fav punk bands anti flag and sex pistols u?

>>2809684

>anti flag
>sex pistols

Get on my level and try some DK, Crass, Cheap Sex, GBH, etc.

>>2809675
>believing in a utopia
>being a Maoist/trot/ stalinist
>2012
>ISHIGGIDY DIGGIDY

>Implying organizing means going through the same shitty bureaucratic structures as you and not organizing for militant actions.

>Taking shit to a courtroom when you are not in handcuffs
>I SHIGGIDY DIGGIDY

>Thinking that bartering and trade commerce is all that can exist in a environment with scarce resources.
>ISHIGDIG

>1342324703609.jpg
>Implying believing in nothing is a bad thing

THE UTOPIA IS DEAD; LONG LIVE THE INFINITE STRIKE!!!11

>>2809665
i don't mean to argue nature versus nurture i am saying the larger a pool of money the larger a target for a criminal.
Also my problem is not with the residence of hicksville but with the maintenance and management of the bridge. If a toll is invoked to maintain the cost of upkeep there needs to be a structured system for oversight so the populace can believe that their is transparency and then if the toll official is caught pocketing money how does one institute a court system where they might be brought to justice.

Also assuming that people would have a currency that hicksville would except in trade and would the backing for this currency be the actual state institution (the way that the dollar is valued on the American interest rate)

i still hold that the barter system is the best economic system in a state of anarchy

alot of punk heh. well to give a few Black flag, early sonic youth pretty neat, rites of spring, fugazi, bad brains, minor threat, clash, black sabbath (not punk, but ozzy's lyrics back then well influenced punk ethos), deadbolt, operation ivy, husker du (somewhat) iggy and the stooges, velvet underground, patti smith, pinkf floyd (not punk but animals and the wall have similar ethics of punk.) I just like music basically doesnt stand for status quo shit, johnny cash even, ive just been realizing its not style of musical that i dislike its the artist you know? i dont like much rap, but i must admit lupe fiasco, tupac, wu-tang, sang about other shit than money and their ego. well yeah. I have a whole philosophy on anarchy and atheism, religion and just genuine life. too exuahsting to put down here but im free to share my opinion. any other bands you dig fellow anon?

>>2809690
DK "holiday in cambodia" is my fav shit eva
whats GBH?
>>2809696
"LONG LIVE THE INFINITE STRIKE"
what the fuck does that mean u expect people to feed you out of the kindness of their hearts or u plan on stealing it?
that is my pic man i am the one the one who believes in nothing you find your own pic

>believing in a utopia
>being a Maoist/trot/ stalinist
>2012
what the fuck doesn't that mean^ is that what u believe or what i believe cause that not what i believe

ishigdig is not a response either tell me your point or don't respond don't type gibgab gibberish because u have nothing to say

>>2809726

Charged G.B.H. is a phenomenal punk band

>>2809715
i like all those they are classic
Rap i think you'll like Dead prez
this especially http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y

>the larger a pool of money the larger a target for a criminal
that's true but shouldn't be an issue if the impetus to criminality is low or nonexistant, which could be achieved by fair social mobility, prosperity (a post-scarcity thing) and/or deterrence
Court and penal systems differ among conception, presumably among socialists courts are community owned.

>>2809733
"which could be achieved by fair social mobility, prosperity (a post-scarcity thing) and/or deterrence"
Rich people still commit crimes. Haveing everything you want doesn't stop certain people from stealing from others so i just don't think you can phaze out criminal activities out of society in at least the first few decades of a state of anarchy

>>2809746
>Rich people still commit crimes
I agree, but not as much or with frequent seriousness as otherwise
>Haveing everything you want doesn't stop certain people from stealing from others
that would be a pretty small comparitive minority, I hope. Also in the cases of shit like kelptomania or antisocial personalities, that can be treated (or ostracized)
>i just don't think you can phaze out criminal activities out of society in at least the first few decades of a state of anarchy
I agree, maybe not at all in any system. Still is lofty to aim for a best possible scenario though.

i actually did really like that Juvypunk. sorry I've been lurking this site and harldy ever post because im apprehensive of my response and also i have no idea how to reply with the number codes. i guess I'm a hybrid new/old fag. started at /b/ and found /lit/ but alot of people here i find pretentious dicks, which sucks cos i think intellects should look past being just smart and lean toward some compassion. being smart isnt about vocabulary and political philosophical views, it should also be about contrasting and comparing views and and sharing information and experience. like us suggesting music. and other things. thanks alot man.

>what the fuck does that mean u expect people to feed you out of the kindness of their hearts or u plan
NO. just no. Look the infinite strike means both the perpetual conflict between the state and what not and the refusal to participate in it. So you believe the production can only be handled in capitalist terms?

No, I am not accussing you of stealing the pic I am just saying that believing in nothing is not a bad thing a concept that the sign in the pic parodies using sarcasm.

>what the fuck doesn't that mean^ is that what u believe or what i believe cause that not what i believe
It means that YOU are authoritative because you feel like you can define a utopia implying you can control the direction of a revolution

I SHIGGIDY DIGGIDY= I sure hope you guys dont do this= wow, this shit is dumb as fuck.

Read this (http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-at-daggers-drawn-with-the-existent-its-defenders-a
nd-its-false-critics) then try to argue against the more contemporary strains of anarchism.
Oh well, you win. good night.

OH! and for anyone interested in a good place to discuss anarchyism (teehee) go to ANOKCHAN.com or anarchistnews.org

>>2809757
i can see your point but i live by the motto plan for the worst hope for the best with people and life
>>2809726
dude i am at work right now /lit/ keeps me interested and off the porn sites and i follow the rule if in doubt copy/paste

also i kind of hijacked this topic cause people were actually talking back to me. but i cant believe no one wants to discuss creating a anarchist Antarctic colony with me

>>2809780
Hey Juvy Punk,

I want you to read this not as an extension of our argument but as a chance for you to perhaps get a better glimpse of my perspective from people who are better at using written language than I.

http://www.politicsisnotabanana.com/2012/02/god-only-knows-what-devils-we-are.html

Some anarchist thinkers had some valid points.

>>2809767

cool i came here to get new reading material because all i got left on my list is fifty shades of grey and that shit turns out out to be more boring then i thought
>>2809785
i cant tell who to address but benny profane

>>2809785

Hah, I have a hard copy of that very zine. I heard a talk from the guy too, it was quite good.

>>2809793
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
That's beautiful
Why haven't I seen this before

Is there any literature related to implementing anarchy in modern states? Like, on how to implement the mass conditioning/educating the average first world youth would need in order to not just go crazy and kill each other?

>>2810579

>in order to not just go crazy and kill each other?

>implying that's something that could actually happen

This a great book to read when it comes to anarchism.

>>2810598
Right, because when the thugs down the street realize they have no reason not to use their guns on whoever the fuck they want, they won't do it out of automatic enlightenment that comes from being free of the chains of the gobment.

Not to mention the racist gun-toting NRA hillbillies and survivalists.

>>2810607

I thought you were talking about "average first world youth" not "thugs".

>>2810607
u speak the truth bro

i liked
on the duty of Civil Disobedience an essay by Henry David Thoreau

>>2810605
I've seen this book recommended twice independently today so it must be good.

On Civil Disobedience by Thoreau.

I rather like the idea of anarchy through the mindset that each person has an inborn idea of the rights and wrongs of the world. Yea, the world would be less restricted and perhaps a bit more chaotic, but i'm reasonably sure it would function- if, albeit, loosely along the lines of mass-mutually assured destruction without civility.

Anarchy, as an idea, is perfectly functional. Its just the lack of a system. However humans are social animals, and we form communities not only to better survive, but to survive with more ease.

Its a system that rails against human instinct. So as an idea its perfectly sound, but anybody who preaches it is a fucking idiot

>or can it actually work

It has worked for thousands of years. Many hunter-gatherers were and are still anarchistic.

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Lol @ anarchism being anti-community.

>>2811500

The second part of this statement is just wrong: Anarchists seeing what they want to see rather than seeing what is there.

>>2811480
Community =/= government
Anyone who preaches otherwise is a fucking idiot

>>2809599
>mentioning Novatore

My nigger.

>>2811521

Really? Then you shouldn't have trouble outlining how the Mbuti, Batek or Chewong peoples are not really anarchistic.

>>2811523
>The system by which a nation, state, or community is governed.
We make government to keep order in our communities. It is the means by which we organize. So either humans can stop organizing, or anarchy can be an impossible system offered by idiots and assholes.

Lets see which comes to pass first

>>2811847
One could organize a community through federated free associations. You should be making the arguement that government is the best way of organizing communities not the only way

>>2811939
Government is not something formed for its own sake. It is the natural progression. While the forms of government are varied, the function of it (organization) always remains the same. Anarchy rails against that, and its a core piece of our social infrastructure.

ANY organization of a community is a system of government. And people have always, and will always, organize themselves like that. Anarchy rallies against human nature. Its not a philosophy, its a fantasy

>>2811537
Ah, yes for I have read him well!

>>2812173
If you would go and call whatever flat systems of social organization an anarchist might advocate a 'government' I don't think he should care. Anarchists aren't railing against verbs, but central state organizations of qualitatively different rights

>Anarchy rallies against human nature
naturalistic fallacy.

>>2812173
>it's nature

rofl did god tell you that

>>2812173
>ANY organization of a community is a system of government.

And, seeing as anarchists do not organize themselves against community, wouldn't it make more sense to say that they are not anarchists rather than saying they are against community?

>>2812405

So you're saying those who run the government do not do it for they're own sake? If so anarchy panders to those who think people are altruistic and don't need a government to check they're morality. It sounds like this anarchy is consistent with your stance.

>>2812529
sorry I'm a little drunk I meant >>2812173

Hey I'm formely from /.B/ but it starting to suck can i join /lit/?