/lit/ - Literature

this thread isn't realated to literature. please delete.

Both are operating at maximum pretense output, but /mu/'s medium is fundamentally empty of things to be pretentious about, and /lit/'s is fundamentally full, and vast.

If being pretentious were the skill of hiding oneself, then modern music is a copse of trees, and literature is a large forest at night. If we assume equal skill, /lit/ wins.

annnd we win

this belongs to /lit/. /mu/ would not know

i'm looking for standard quality lyrics of songs. please give name of artists or title of songs

i do not want songs that are adopted from literature like "The Rime of Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden, or "Into the West" by Annie Lennox.

i already have Bjork, Bob Dylan, and some of Beatles songs. please add more

>>2930429
hmmm. . . should have started another thread.

>>2930429

Anything Jeff Mangum ever wrote.

Neutral Milk Hotel is like /mu/'s inside joke, but the lyrics truly are phenomenal.

>>2930417
post avant jazzcore
musique concrete
noise music
jazz-fusion
avantgarde general

Finnegan's goddam muhfuggin' Wake, boss.

>>2930440
already been posted >>2930438

I don't know, but /lit/ has better taste

>Harold Bloom. Harold Bloom?

>Harold Bloom. James Joyce is good.

>James Joyce is good. I get James Joyce.

>I also get James Joyce. I get all of James Joyce.

>All of James Joyce?

>All of James Joyce.

>Me too.

>Stirner?

>Stirner.

>..STIRNER?

>Spooks! Spooks! Spooks!

>Spooks. Stirner. Good. Pynchon.

>Pynchon. I have read Pynchon.

>Pynchon.

>Pynchon.

>Pynchon.

>Pynchon.

>David Foster Wallace. David Foster Wallace was silly. This picture is a picture of David Foster Wallace exhibiting a personality quirk.

>David Foster Wallace! Ha ha ha! Harold Bloom David Foster Wallace!

>Harold Bloom!

>Ayn Rand is bad.

>Ayn Rand is bad.

>James Joyce is good. Where do you write?

>In a pretentious chair with pretentious music.

>Good. I as well. James Joyce?

>Harold Bloom and James Joyce.

>Good.

>Good.

>Genre fiction is bad.

>Genre fiction and Ayn Rand are bad.

>I read James Joyce.

>James Joyce?

>James Joyce. I read James Joyce.

>I as well. All of James Joyce.

>Good.

>/mu/

get out. now.

>>2930462
Nice, but you forgot Tao Lin.

BLOOMDROIDS

>>2930645
Both posters in that thread _WERE_TAO_LIN_.

I have still not managed to work out Tao Lins secret yet. How does he find time to write down his narrow, autistic perception of the world when he spends all day on /lit/?

>>2930415

OMFG IT'S THE INTERNET POLICE BEEP BEEP.

>>2930659
I wish Tao Lin did spend all his time here, because it would mean less time he spending writing.

The sad fact is that Tao rarely comes here, because he has better things to do. Meanwhile, all the wannabe writers who are here 18 hours a day are sitting around accusing every poster of being Tao Lin instead of--you know, writing.

Entry-level reading isn't held with as much scorn as entry-level music, but /lit/ has no irony. /mu/ is like ogre, has layers.

>>2930672
Don't turn this into a fucking Zizek thread. Put the irony back into the closet.

/lit/ doesn't actually know enough to be pretentious.

>>2930462

Is accurate - not pretentious, just self-validating and tedious.

>>2930440
There's no apostrophe in Finnegans Wake, you philistine.

>>2930674
reminds me, /mu/ is much gayer despite (or because of) tfw no gf

Oh hey, I'm seeing Pity Sex next week

What is the musical equivalent of Finnegan's Wake? A Merzbow album?

I'd say /lit/. But both of them are squalid cesspools of elitism.

>>2930727
Absolutely not. It would have to be something that took years to conceive and put together, not just one of a thousand shat out albums put together with no regard for form (and I like noise music, Merzbow just happens to be a fucking joke).

I lurk here and post on /mu/ all the time and really there is no difference, but this board does at least know how to develop an argument instead of going 2deep4u

>>2930727
pic related, maybe. gives me the same vibe

>>2930727
I really doubt there is one, music still isn't as big an art form as literature, and hasn't gone nearly as far.

The nearest thing I know of that compares would probably be ITAOTS/most of Jeff Mangum's stuff for it's heavy use of metaphors/symbolism and off narrative, but it's still no where close to most good novels

It would be interesting to see someone design an album like they'd design a book. Music is an exploitable genre, but for some reason it doesn't seem to have gained much intellectual traction.

youre both faggots
/r9k/ for life

/mu/ obviously.

try discussing top 40 on /mu and you get saged and ignored.

try discussing hunger games or GoT on /lit/ and you will actually have a discussion even if it's accompanied by some saging cunts


overall, lit is the smartest board on 4chan

/mu is more pretentious

both literature and music are some of the greatest things humanity has accomplished

but music is so much more subjective. Over half of the elitists of /mu act like everything outside of what they like is trash

on /lit frequently when someone brings up a non /lit favorite book you see people post

hmmm that looks like a good one ill check it out

on /mu its usually just endless implications
I get depressed when I go on it

I really despise this hivemind notion.

There different people on every board and depending on the precise time that you make a contribution, you will no doubt receive a very different response.

Yes people conform and imitate one another a lot, but in an anonymous environment it's easier to speak honestly about a subject and you do get people replying with their unique honest opinions and additions to the thread.

>>2931241

>both literature and music are some of the greatest things humanity has accomplished

Yeah, no.
No form of entertainment belongs to the "greatest things that humanity has accomplished".

>>2931320
IT'S TIME

TIME TO SP-SP-SP-SP-SP-SP-SPERG

>>2931320
Except when you are laying in a field with a group of friends high on copious amounts of mushrooms, acid and ecstasy. The French electro stops, the sky splits in half to reveal a multicoloured landscape, and Jimi Hendrix comes blaring out of the portable stereo. THEN music becomes the "greatest thing that humanity has accomplished".

>>2931336

>>2930429

The Doors

>>2931144
>The nearest thing I know of that compares would probably be ITAOTS/most of Jeff Mangum's stuff for it's heavy use of metaphors/symbolism and off narrative, but it's still no where close to most good novels

You don't listen to music.

>>2930429
I'll probably get some flack for this and need to seek shelter, but for good contemporary lyrics that portray our current youth culture and social climate try Arctic Monkeys. I'll post an example.

Last night there were two bouncers
And one of em's alright
The other one's the scary one
His way or no way, totalitarian
He's got no time for you
Looking or breathing
How he don't want you to
So step out the queue
He makes examples of you
And there's nowt you can say
Behind they go through to the bit where you pay
And you realise then that it's finally the time
To walk back past ten thousand eyes in the line
And you can swap jumpers and make another move
Instilled in your brain you've got something to prove
To all the smirking faces and the boys in black
Why can't they be pleasant?
Why can't they have a laugh?
He's got his hand on your chest
He wants to give you a cuff
Well secrectly I think they want it all to kick off
They want, arms flying everywhere and
Bottles aswell it's just
Something to talk about
A story to tell you
Well I'm so glad they turned us all away we'll put it down to fate
I said a thousand million things that I could never say this morning

/mu/, honestly

Also I'd say /mu/ has younger visitors, caring about shitty trends and whatnot.
It's not as bad as /tv/ with their Batmans and celebrities and shit, but it's worse than /lit/.

>>2931320
> No form of entertainment belongs to the "greatest things that humanity has accomplished".

Hm, no. Look at it this way: impractical entertainment that achieves nothing in the real world is what sets us apart from animals. Thus, the more impractical the artwork, the more it is human. This is what sets us apart and ultimately justifies our existence as the human race.

>>2930727
>What is the musical equivalent of Finnegan's Wake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uk9IcoQ0w

>>2931354

>Arctic Monkeys.
>Good.

Pick one.

>>2931363
Heh. Nope. Animals fuck around all the time. Expressing oneself through a medium doesn't magically make someone a human although it is indicative of consciousness. Truth is, nothing really sets humans apart from animals besides superior intelligence and mastery of tools. "Art is humanity" is really stupid. Give an ape an intelligence boost and he would do the same. Not that art is bad, but I just can't stand when people put forward the fallacy that you just did.

Go make your shitty threads on your own shitty board.

>>2931407
Sir, I am going to pick both and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

>>2930727
I feel like Gantz Graf would be a good match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwD05XA2YQ

>>2931354

>I'll probably get some flack for this

Indeed sir. Because they are unbelievably shit.

>>2931354
Good man.

/lit/ is far fucking worse, the last time I came here (this is my second time) some psuedollectual faggot was copy pasting a bullshit postmodernism essay that was absolutely and totally meaningless, yet was being heralded as a sacred text.

At least with music it doesn't establish recursively subjective syntactic rules (lel)

>>2931485
Oh come on, that song posted was a rather good one. Just give it a listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKJAw_tuxg

...The whole thing.

>>2930414
>Not sure if you're saying that the EP in your pic is bad.

THAT FUCKING EP IS GREAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-iHu1dSsk

THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

>>2930676
You don't have to point that out. Half our threads are about that.

>>2931450
except apes don't have an intelligence boost, hence our distinction.

Anyhow, on what basis are you non-nihilists discussing what is a greates human achievement. As far as ones opinions go, it could be porn. Jesus.

>>2930727
Finnegans Wake is based on the song Finnegan's Wake so there's that. There's stuff like musical cryptograms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUgoBb8m1eE)), or Tchaikovsky's heavy use of motivic referencing, or I dunno, one of Brecht's Operas.

wow you guys are assholes

>>2932560
Not really. /mu/ is all about one-upping each other; /lit/ is more intellectual masturbation with everyone flashing each other to help get there faster. Nah, we're nice guys.

I don't know. I feel pretentious for liking literature though. I wish I liked watching sports instead.

>>2930462
go to bed tao

>>2930672
>/lit/ has no irony
/lit/ is incomprehensibly ironic.

>>2932606
Psh, you clearly didn't get the irony of that poster.

>>2932610
Uhm, looks like it's you who's not getting the irony.