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What will it be?

>> No.2999992 [DELETED] 

This.

>> No.3000004

Jesus was an extraterrestrial.

>> No.2999996 [DELETED] 

>> No.2999998

Why do read books? It wont matter when the singularity occurs?

>> No.2999999

sage

>> No.3000000

/lit/ loves /mu/

>> No.3000003

Nope

>> No.3000005

>>3000000
Haha

>> No.3000006

>>3000004
>mistype captcha 2 times
4chan screws me.

>> No.3000007 [DELETED] 

>>3000000
pls

>> No.3000009

>>3000000
And we move into the new era. One defined by /mu/'s constant raiding of /lit/.

Congratulations. You should kill yourself.

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>>3000000
reported

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3000011

>>3000000

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>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
why

>> No.3000019

>implying you guys wanted it to be any better

>> No.3000020

AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHhahahahahhaHhahHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA

FUCK
YOU

>> No.3000023

/mu/ hates /lit/

we think /lit/ is full of pretentious frauds

>> No.3000025
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>> No.3000027

>>3000023
/lit/ hates /mu/ because yall are terrible fucking posters

seriously /mu/ is a shithole

>> No.3000028

>>3000009
>One defined by /mu/'s constant raiding of /lit/.
Isn't it already the case? Three months ago nobody used the word "pleb".

>> No.3000030

But plebeians read for plot.

The dichotomy actually exist.

>> No.3000032

>>3000030
no it doesn't shut the fuck up and stop talking about plebeians, you little idiot

>> No.3000035

>>3000032
you pleb

>> No.3000041

>>3000023
>we think /lit/ is full of pretentious frauds

that's rich coming from a board comprised of high schoolers whose whole fragile sense of identity rests on their penchant for obscure lo-fi pop.

>> No.3000044

>>3000041

More like music validated by authority such as pitchfork and other music journalistic websites.

>> No.3000048

>>3000000

5/5 BRETTY GOOD

:DDDDD

>> No.3000049

REGISTER YOUR DISCONTENT AT /mu/'S INCESSANT CROSS-BOARD SHITPOSTING IN THE FOLLOWING THREAD ON /q/: -- >>>/q/197650

>> No.3000051

>>3000044
Yep, and then there are a handful that just listen to the shittest music they can find, but the shittest music in the world is the most obscure.

In the case of most of it, it's so obscure because it's obscenely fucking awful.

>> No.3000056

True /lit/zens don't care about arbitrary numbers. They are as meaningless as life.

>> No.3000061

>>3000056
'Meaningless' is a human construction, and a true /lit/izen wouldn't entertain such non-objective bullshit for even a second.

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3000065

It's official now

>> No.3000068

>>3000056

You're just mad 'cause you never get dubs

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>>3000000
LET'S BE QT BF AND GF

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/lit/ will be our qt gf now?

>> No.3000073

>>3000069
/mu/tant here.

...can I be the GF?

>> No.3000074

>>3000073
>>3000072
>>3000069
Fuck off you gay feel gay fags, we don't want you here.

>> No.3000075

>>3000051
>thinks /mu/tants only listen to obscure music for the purpose of being cool

This is so simplistic. Not to mention inaccurate, have you not seen the /mu/ essentials? This is /b/ level thinking.

>> No.3000076

>>3000000
Fvck of you slut were too good for you.

>> No.3000078

>>3000075
Yes, I used to go on /mu/ pretty regularly.

Their essential lists are largely terrible.

>Animal collective
>Not the most fucking awful garbage of all time

>> No.3000079

>>3000069
>>3000072
>>3000073
go away

>> No.3000080

>>3000000
perfect

>> No.3000081

>>3000078
I'm from /mu/ and I think AnCo suck

>> No.3000082

What music do you guys listen to while reading?

>> No.3000084

>>3000081
maybe you should post about that on /mu/ then

fuck you

>> No.3000085

>>3000082
>dividing your attention between two tasks
none

>> No.3000087

>>3000082
something instrumental
classical or jazz or maybe post-rock

>> No.3000089

>>3000081
Good. You're still a gibbering fucking retard.

>> No.3000090

/mu/ here, dawwwww

>> No.3000093

>>3000000
this is the best for you /lit/, no one appreciates you like we do

>> No.3000094

>>3000078
But that's not my point, my point is it's all relatively mainstream stuff.

>> No.3000096

>>3000090
/lit/ here, kill yourself.

>> No.3000097

>>3000089
why though

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>>3000000

>> No.3000099

>>3000000
♪(v^_^)v

>> No.3000100

>>3000097
Why not?

We're intellectuals here, we don't need excuse.

>> No.3000101

is ulysess and good

>> No.3000103

>>3000098
And then this idiot turns up.

Pls go coooltop, we especially don' want you here.

>> No.3000108

>>3000100
>implying we're not intellectuals

while half of you read harry potter I'm listening free improvisation, plebs.

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>>3000000

>> No.3000110

whats ur guys favorite harry potter book i like the sorceres blacks tone

>> No.3000104

>>3000100
but /mu/ operates on that principal too, why can't we be friends

>> No.3000105

fuck off /mu/, you're not funny, smart or good looking

>> No.3000106

>>3000100
If you guys are intellectuals why couldn't you handle CLT when he visited this board?

Trip related, it's CLT.

>> No.3000107

>>3000089
Never change, /lit/.

>> No.3000111

>>3000104
>>3000108
>Listening to noise
>Requiring any mental exertion
You're joking, right?

>> No.3000112

Music is the most thought provoking and superior art form. Literature is probably one of the lowest, someone just writes fucking words and you imagine them. Yeah, real fucking thought provoking. Kill yourself you nerds.

>> No.3000113

>>3000110
harry potter and the goblin of secrets is my fav

>> No.3000114

>>3000111
>babby can't into inaccessible music
Just look at you.

>> No.3000115

>>3000111
>implying anyone on /mu/ listens to noise unironically

>> No.3000116
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>>3000103
>>3000103
why though

>> No.3000117

>>3000115
But music is noise.

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>>3000112
music 4evr suck it nerd faggots

>> No.3000119

>>3000111
what a huge pleb

>> No.3000121

>>3000119
>>3000119
What an in denial idiot.

>> No.3000122

>>3000106
Link related.
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S2935012

Ahahaha God forsaken vermin.

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3000123

Awww, we love you guys, too. <3

>> No.3000126

sure is mad in here

>> No.3000127

>>3000125
KILL YOURSELF.

>> No.3000128

>>3000112
You're a fucking idiot.

>> No.3000129

>/lit/-chan being tsun-tsun over /mu/-kun
;3

>> No.3000130

>>3000115
Some of us do.

>> No.3000131

>>3000121
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, keep enjoying J.K Rowling.

>> No.3000132

>>3000127
B-but I like l-l-living D:

>> No.3000125

>>3000115
I-I listen to noise unironically...

>> No.3000134

>>3000115
>implying

>> No.3000135

>>3000131
keep enjoying The Wiggles

>> No.3000136

>>3000132
If you go on /mu/, you really shouldn't.

>> No.3000137

FUNWITHSPOILERS

>> No.3000138

>>3000131
Keep enjoying Abba.

>> No.3000141

>>3000137
>tfw no spoilers on /mu/

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Holy shit, so much vitriol in here.

>> No.3000143

>>3000135
>>3000138
I don't, though

>> No.3000144

>>3000136
;~;

>> No.3000149

my favorite band is beach house.

how pleb am i

>> No.3000150

Classical music is so evidently superior to all other kinds of music, yet we keep lowering the standards when we talk about other types of music, to avoid the uncomfortable situation where the butt rock dude or the druggy EDM boy gets anal pained when they are told the great masters are better than their shitty hedonistic hero.

Instead of white guilt, in the music world there is "classical" guilt. We keep lowering the standards for other kinds of music to compensate and preserve our dream of marxist culturalism. Of perfect musical relativism. Guess what? It isn't true and the compositional talent and imagination displayed, which is all that counts in the end when we have to say what is worth being saved and what not, is infinitely superior in classical music than in any other form of music.

>this is what /lit/ actually believes

>> No.3000151

>>3000143
You obviously do though, you colossal gayboy.

>> No.3000153

>>3000149
very

>> No.3000154

Music revolves around 12 notes including sharps. Western chords revolve around major, minor, 7th, Minor 7th and Major 7th, occasionally using augmented and diminished (I'm not going to include suspended chords).

Now, this gives us a total of 60 - 84 chords to play with.

To put this in comparison, literature uses 26 letters and revolves around 200,000 words.

>> No.3000155

>>3000143
I don't enjoy J.K. Rowling.

>> No.3000156

>>3000149
9.2/10, Best new Pleb

>> No.3000157

>>3000149
I enjoy Beach House too, don't worry.

But my favourite band is Misophone

>> No.3000158
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paste your taste thread

I'm into experimental, psychedelic, ambient, electronic and noise, including:
Animal Collective, High Wolf, Ponytail, Kría Brekkan, Lady Gaga, Inca Ore, Terrestrial Tones, Raccoo-oo-oon, Kanye West, Grouper, Black Eyes, Townes Van Zandt, Horse The Band, Chantal Goya, Carly Rae Jepsen, Kreayshawn, Unknown Hinson, Hasil Adkins, YYU, Tickley Feather, Panda Bear, Wolf Eyes, Beat Happening, Nara Leão, Tim Hecker, Cukor Bila Smert', Françoise Hardy, Celer, Rina Ketty, Les Rallizes Dénudés, Nah, Huun-huur-Tu, Les Sexareenos, Thee Oh Sees, The Spaceshits, Dark Cloak, Amanda Palmer, Jane, Coughs, Beck, Secret Abuse, Sun City Girls, Yvonne Přenosilová, Grimes, Slug Guts, Tita, João Gilberto, The Mummies, Ducktails, Danny Brown.

Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/w_lves

>> No.3000161

>>3000154
Stop listening to Classical it's outdated by decades.

>> No.3000163

>>3000154

>implying complexity = better

>> No.3000164

>>3000154
I could spend a week on this and couldn't find all the fallacies

>> No.3000165

>>3000158
I like the Bee Gees.

>> No.3000166

/mu/ is a bunch of pretentious frauds

That's why we love them!

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>>3000154
>he can only read in one language!

Apply yourself if you ever want to be with us /mu/

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>>3000154
>music
>using only 12 tones
Anon confirmed for hideously unacquainted with the world outside of Western music.

>> No.3000169

>/lit/ will never be /cyberpunk/ - high tech and low life

>> No.3000170

>>3000165
fucking pleb bg's are siht i bet you like the beetles too fucking faggot i'll fuck ur mouth and cum in ur anus and youll like it cuz ur gay

>> No.3000173

>>3000154
Is this how /lit/ justifies being elitist over people obsessed with music, by claiming that the art form they obsess over is better?

>> No.3000175

Obviously, the greatest musician of all time is Noel Gallagher. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

>> No.3000177

>>3000154
Tha analoghy doesn't really work. Also, what's your equivalent to instruments? Languages? nah..

>> No.3000178

>>3000175
This is correct.

Ringo Star is a close second though.

>> No.3000179

Mmm, only 4000000 can undo this unholy matrimony /lit/erati. We'll probably spend most of our time together in the backseat with our headphones secured. Write a depressing, 69-page novella about it. If dubs call it "three /mu/llion feels ago."

>> No.3000180

>>3000154
>not solely listening to percussive music
It's getting pleb in here

>>3000158
I'm into electronic, experimental, breakcore, digital hardcore and indie, including:
KMFDM, Malignus Youth, The Locust, Devo, The Aquabats, Bomb the Music Industry!, Descendents, Beastie Boys, Minutemen, The Residents, Black Flag, Death Grips, Spazz, The Flaming Lips, Joyce Manor, Ween, Radiohead, Animal Collective, Operation Ivy, Guided by Voices, Swans, Kid Koala, Anal Cunt, Weezer, The Specials, Charles Bronson, Pixies, Die Kreuzen, Dads, The Avalanches, Andrew Jackson Jihad, Bauhaus, GG Allin, Atari Teenage Riot, Autechre, The Replacements, Aphex Twin, Neutral Milk Hotel, This Bike Is a Pipe Bomb, My Bloody Valentine, Japanese Telecom, 3 Steps Ahead, The Ergs!, Fang Island, A Tribe Called Quest, Dopplereffekt, Alec Empire, The Dismemberment Plan, The Arrogant Sons Of Bitches, The Beach Boys.

Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/lettusc

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At least we don't worship this faggot

>> No.3000182

Hey /lit/ mods could you from time to time check /mu/'s report queue? The place is quite fucked up and apparently no one is watching over the board.

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Marking so the post could get noticed.

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>>3000168
Evelyn's so cool
i love this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g
mfw i found out she's deaf

>> No.3000185

>>3000150
>this is what /lit/ actually believes
Well, there are some classicfags who think the exact same thing.

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>>3000184
>part of the f sticks out from the spoiler

>> No.3000187

>>3000179

>missing the obvious "unholy /mu/trimony"

>> No.3000188

>>3000181
>thinking everyone on /mu/ likes THA NOODLE DROP
you don't go there very often, do you?

>> No.3000189

>>3000182
We don't have mods.

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>>3000169
>tfw everyone I know thinks cyberpunk is lame
>tfw I really love cyberpunk
>tfw cyberpunk is incredibly small
>tfw there's not that much cyberpunk music

>> No.3000191

>>3000189
Well shit.

>> No.3000194

>>3000188
the only people who dont are plebs and we dont pay attention to them anyway

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>>3000180
Fuck, even on /mu/ they hardly ever talk about percussion music.
>tfw lonesome chromatic percussionist

>>3000184
Yeah, she's basically my Jesus. Her & Franzykinz are by biggest inspirations (in terms of performance & composition, respectively)

>pastin'
I'm into pretentious hipster bullshit:
Joanna Newsom, Lacrymosa, Gregory and the Hawk, El Trio de Omar Rodriguez Lopez, The Hush Sound, Sufjan Stevens, The Softies, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Laura Pausini, Nalle, Metric, Cœur de Pirate, Alina Orlova, Tegan and Sara, Now, Now, Maria Rodés, Lazar Berman, Crywank, CocoRosie, Ximena Sariñana, Ghost Bees, Ely Guerra, Bebe, Chat, Company of Thieves, Catalin Comnoiu, Spiritualized, The Act of Estimating as Worthless, Lydia, Andrea Lindsay, First Aid Kit, Portishead, Hello Seahorse!, Feliz No Cumpleaños, Klaus & Kinski, radio wire empire, Owen, Elysian Fields, Nadadora, Lisa Mitchell, LaFille, Stars, Jenö Jandó, Palette Town, Natalia Lafourcade, Maria João Pires, Kate Nash, Björk, A Perfect Circle, Eisley.

Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/vocexdelxvuoto

>> No.3000197

>>3000190
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S1000000

>> No.3000198

>>3000154
The variations which can be introduced into the playing of any one note, let alone an entire piece by instrumental technique effectively result in an infinite palette for a group of talented musicians, every nuance and combination of which can convey meaning, feeling or both. Language is constrained to a finite palette by the necessity to retain meaning, music can wander into the pure expression of emotion. Put another way,
>our art is better than yours

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>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000
>>3000000

>> No.3000203

>>3000198
Yeah, and if I just make up words then there really is an infinite palette.

Check and made.

/lit/ 1
/mu/ 0

Fucken plebs

>> No.3000204

>>3000169
We will have to wait for the 4000000.

>> No.3000206

>>3000203
>by the necessity to retain meaning
lrn2read

>> No.3000211

>>3000203
No, you just become a babbling fool, talking nonsense that no one understands.

>> No.3000212

>>3000198
>the necessity to retain meaning
HEARD IT HERE FIRST LADS, YOU CAN JUST DO FUCKING RANDOM AS FUCK SOUNDS AND SHIT BECAUSE MUSIC IS JUST A SERIES OF NOISE. DOESN@T FUCKING MATTER ABOUT YOUR MUSIC THEORY, YOU CAN JUST DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT. NO MEANING HERE OFFICER.

#crowfeathersisdumb
#yolo2k12

>> No.3000214

>>3000206
Lrn2Joyce

>> No.3000215

>>3000211
But the same thing applies to music, you dumb cunt.

>> No.3000219

>>3000214
lrn2farts

>> No.3000220

>>3000212
someone doesn't understand music

>implying the rules of music theory don't exist to be learned, and then broken

>> No.3000221

I feel the love in this thread.

>> No.3000222

>>3000215
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27CpT79NMhQ

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>>3000198
>Language is constrained to a finite palette by the necessity to retain meaning
No. Absence of immediate semantic intelligibility is a form of expression, and literature more specifically does not need to rely on that intelligibility to be artful.
There's such a thing as phonaesthetics, not to mention the many ways in which syntax can be unconventionally interrupted--or even maintained, while abandoning lexical intelligibility.

Any musician who knows a thing or two about language/lit - and any writer who knows a thing or two about musicianship - will see that this entire argument is stupid.
They are two equally valid artforms that use different media to attain different ends.

Fucking hell.

>> No.3000224

>>3000212
>>3000215
I can understand you thinking like that when you've only heard 4-chord pop, and never had the courage to branch out into more experimental music. I expected better, I must admit.

>> No.3000226

Eh even though I'm a /mu/tant I have to agree with /lit/ here.
Keep the shit posting on /mu/. /lit/ is slow by default and shitposting will completely destroy it.

I just wish I would post more on /lit/, but I don't read fiction.

>> No.3000227

>>3000220
Yeah, the rules of syntax, grammar and spelling exist to be learned and then broken too.

AGKAmvkgasgkzbzb kdlgA HK@~jagi ag
ar 305 IGASIO iasgoaksg jgoag agiaosgajgaikshdhgggggggggggggggggggggg wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww agkasgkasglalglkb zxvkzxvkxkvkalgkAGkaor erafk agk A

Look at that perfect fucking poem, gee whizz I'm a genius.

>> No.3000232

>>3000226
We're not solely about fiction. We discuss factual books too.

>> No.3000233

>>3000211

/mu/ pls go. It's like you've never even heard of the tour de force that is Finnegans Wake.

>> No.3000235

>/lit/ thinks they are superior to /mu/ because they read books

hehe

>> No.3000239

>>3000235
>/mu/ thinks they are superior to anyone at all, despite the fact that all they do is shut their brains off and listen to sounds.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

OH FUCK MY FUCKING SIDES.

>> No.3000237

Wish the real (fake) CLT was ITT right now.

>> No.3000241

What is /lit/'s ITAOTS?
What is /lit/'s Kid A?
Who is /lit/'s Scaruffi?

>> No.3000245

>>3000239
You don't shut off your brain when you listen to something. It's an oxymoron.

>> No.3000247

>>3000241
Tao Lin

to all.

>> No.3000248

>>3000241
>What is /lit/'s ITAOTS?
Finnegan's Wake
>What is /lit/'s Kid A?
Gravity's Rainbow
>Who is /lit/'s Scaruffi
DFW

>> No.3000252

>>3000241
>What is /lit/'s ITAOTS?
Infinite Jest
>What is /lit/'s Kid A?
Gravity's Rainbow
>Who is /lit/'s Scaruffi?
Harold Bloom

>> No.3000249

>>3000235
No, we think we're superior /lit/ posters because we read books. Pls leave our board.

>> No.3000250

Listen, /lit/. We are murated and louvered by your dipsomania, but this pedalferrous asperity has to stop.

Music will always be superior to literature as afflatus comparisons are sybaritically anaclitic. Postulating that thanatopic, coruscant mediums like literature will ever corticate solecisticly with music, will result in declivity.

>> No.3000251

>>3000247
Go to bed Tao, you can't write for shit.

>> No.3000253

>>3000111
>analyzing literature
>requiring any mental exertion

>> No.3000254

>>3000232
Yeah I know.
Just today I saw a thread about Deluze and Guattari.
Anti-Oedpie and Thousand Plateaus are on my to read list.
But I've read Rhizome and some methodological commentaries on their works, which made them sound very interesting.

>> No.3000255

>>3000250

Way fucking off.

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>>3000250
Put the thesaurus down, Son, and put your hands behind your back.

>> No.3000261

>literature
>not a dying art form

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>>3000000

this thread is now

>HOLD YOUR BREATH AND HOLD Q AS LONG AS YOU CAN

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>> No.3000263

>>3000250
cute

>> No.3000266

>>3000250
This is you when coming to /lit/: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHtvSc0P8A

>> No.3000268

>>3000262
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get on my level

>> No.3000270

>>3000248
scaruffi is a critic though, dfw is a writer; very different

our equivalent would be harold bloom

>> No.3000275

>>3000270
I had no idea who Scaruffi was, so I just assumed he was some shitty pseudo-musician like the rest of the crap /mu/ obsesses over.

>> No.3000277

>>3000275
http://www.scaruffi.com/fiction.html

>> No.3000279

>>3000223
thank you

>> No.3000282
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>>3000275
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.
In a sense the Beatles are emblematic of the status of rock criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it grunge or U2) and too little attention to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of rock critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of rock criticism: rock critics are basically publicists working for free for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply publicize what the music business wants to make money with.

>> No.3000285

Literature and music are the two highest forms of art. Painting, film, dance, and theater can go FUCK itself

>> No.3000286
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>Um, so far it’s an “A” in French and a “B-“in Econ.
>Oh, and what about Chemistry.
>Uh, I'm not sure, but midterms are in a few days so it could go up.
>Uh, so what's it at now?
>The grade?
>Uh, yeah.
>Uh, I'm not sure.
>But you just said it could go up?
>It just uh, I meant generally.
>You wouldn't be lying to me, would you Isaac?
>No.
>Then tell me the grade.
>I just told you, I-I don't know.
>Do you wanna take this little conversation, downstairs? No? Then tell me the grade son.
>Dad, the semester is only half over.
>Isaac.
>There's plenty of time-!
>Isaac!
>It-ts a “D”.
>Oh, it’s a “D”, uh, I'm not angry, you know I'm gonna have to find a way to punish you though, right? I have my responsibilities as a parent, we'll start with something simple, like, uh... tell you what, you do the dishes and clean up the kitchen, alright?
>Yeah.
>Good. Because I-I'd really like to see this place spotless. (Cup is thrown to the ground and shatters) Know what I’m saying? You know I wanna see this entire kitchen, ABSOLUTELY (throws glass at Isaac) SPOTLESS! (Isaac looks horrified at his wound) Well that was your fault
>YOU COULD HAVE BLINDED ME!
>Shut up! It’s a scratch! It’s hardly even- (Isaac runs out of his house, grabs his bike and rides away.) Isaac?! ISAAC!!

>> No.3000292

>>3000282
But the Beatles were fucking amazing. Nothing comes close to sounding as perfect as the white album when you are peaking on acid.

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>>3000000
We love you too, /lit/

>> No.3000297

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>> No.3000299

>>3000292
>needs drugs for music to sound good

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>>3000292
Get a load of this commoner!

>> No.3000305

>>3000292
>Scaruffi wrote

>"The Beatles' lyrics were tied to the tradition of pop music, while rock music found space, rightly or wrongly, for psychological narration, anti-establishment satire, political denunciation, drugs, sex and death".

>Really "Eleanor Rigby? A Day in the Life? Happiness is a Warm Gun? Piggies? Revolution? "Nowhere Man".

>Scaruffi claims, “The influence of the Beatles cannot be considered musical. Music, especially in those days, was something else: experimental, instrumental, improvised, political. The Beatles played pop ditties. Rock musicians of the time played everything but pop ditties, because rock was conceived as an alternative to ditties. FM radio”.

>Not true. To generalize a decade of music is easier to do with, say today’s crap- its all crap. The 60s had a whole lot more going on than just experimentation and jamming out. That was part of it, but the jam bands like Jefferson Airplane, Santana, and Credence all had their share of 2 minute pop songs. Likewise The Beatles didn’t just write pop songs. They jammed and experimented as well. Revolution 9"? I have arguments whether the latter is a song or not, but NO ONE, not even Andy Warhol’s Velvet Underground had a tune like that.... Plus, there are plenty of brisk, pop songs on Pillow- "My Best Friend," "DCBA", "How Do You Feel" and on Warhol- "Sun. Morning," "Run Run Run". Tracks like "Strawberry Fields Forever" and “A Day in the Life" both tracks hugely influential on Progressive Rock and Art-Rock. Tracks like "Love You To", "Within You Without You" and the "Inner Light" are full blown Indian songs are hugely influential to World Music.

>> No.3000306

>>3000299
>Thinks music is better sober.

>> No.3000307

>>3000292
>>3000305
>Illicit drugs: virtually ubiquitous in all sectors of society, from the president down to the ghettos. A person whose brain has been permanently retarded by marijuana is considered perfectly normal. A governor who sniffed cocaine as a youth is a perfectly reasonable candidate for president. Never mind that the US is staging a war against drugs that has taken thousands of lives in South America, mainly of poor peasants.
-Piero Scaruffi.

>> No.3000309

>>3000285
I agree. Except I regard theatre as a form of literature.

>> No.3000314

>>3000306
>not listening to music that doesn't need drugs to be good

>> No.3000317

>>3000314
>All music needs drugs to be really good. Without drugs all music is mediocre.

>> No.3000319

>>3000317
Degenerate pleb.

>> No.3000325

>>3000319
>pleb

Your opinion has been invalidated.

>> No.3000326

>>3000309
Performance plays (or can play) an equally important part in peoples' enjoyment of a drama. It can be enjoyed as literature, sure, but so can really well-written films

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>>3000292
>takes drugs while listening to music
please tell me you're just being tryhard or lying since you've never actually tried acid

>> No.3000331

>>3000325
...Says the degenerate drug kiddie.

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>>3000327
wut.

No, I play music while taking drugs, not the other way round.

>> No.3000342

>>3000339
This. The sole purpose of music is to enhance a drug trip.

>> No.3000344

>>3000342
Surely because Beethoven and Zappa were crack users.

>> No.3000352

>>3000344
Beethoven was frequently dosed on opium, and drank himself to death. Zappa is shit.

>> No.3000353

>>3000262
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>> No.3000354

>>3000352
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>> No.3000382

>>3000262
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>> No.3000385

>>3000382
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>> No.3000407

>>3000000
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>>3000000
and /mu/ loves /lit/

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>>3000000

WHY DON'T YOU LOVE US BACK, /lit/
PLEASE JUST LOVE US BACK

>> No.3000418

>>3000000
no no no no no no no no
fuck this
goodbye /lit/, even 2 months ago this shit would not be tolerated
used 2 b cool

>> No.3000422

WHY WON'T YOU LOVE US /lit/?

>> No.3000436

it's perfect though
love us /lit/
together we will be pretentious and bad