/lit/ - Literature

>>3239824
I once snuck my penis near a butthole.

>>3239832
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I think hundreds, if not thousands of years in the future, people will look back on this age and study it. One of the reasons why our age will be considered significant for study would be that we are the first generation to catalog our entire lives on a medium. Much of this information will be lost but the amount that will be saved will be enough to enable our posterity to truly understand the nature of our reality and the problems/dilemmas that we faced. Some of the philosophic dilemmas will show how we confronted and in many cases defended the rampant consumerism and nihilism of the modern age.

Hopefully, our posterity will be able to look back and truly understand the events that shaped their reality, what ever that may be.

>>3239847
not so much of a reply but a train of thought came to mind after reading this.

I believe that our politics will be mostly forgotten. Current politics are just a mere continuation of past politics, parties/groups wanting what's best for their group. It's just our current parties are being more selfish (or so it seems to me) than normal in comparison to the past. For example, the budget and "fiscal cliff". Yet again, we approach a so called fiscal cliff because Congress can't get its collective ass into gear. -a frustrated somewhat ignorant citizen

Its the first generation to have complete access to free knowledge.

Its also the stupidest by far.

Go figure.

>>3239875
in terms of politics, I think there could be some possible interest in the future as to how our modern technology influenced it all. maybe how this technology is used will be understood as both representing and supporting our cultural consumerism and nihilism, as >>3239847 said.

I also fear Nietzsche's idea of the Last Man

>>3239886
why memorize something when it can be easily accessed? Don't get me wrong, some stuff should be, but I don't need to know the names of Saturn's moons for example.

>>3239824
Our age is like the 3rd century. The age in which the roman empire was dying, it was peaceful but men sat about idly and enjoyed their idleness instead of doing anything productive, not seeing any point. The 'barbarians' came and settled in Roman lands and eventually caused the empire to collapse.

>>3239891
So online political ads become subjects of study? Hopefully it is saved somewhere that the general public by and large ignored the ads because they hate the smear ads..

>>3239892
It means a difference between actually knowing something and having access to that knowledge. It would benefit yourself to memorize these things - maybe they could help you offer insight into what you see around you. for society's sake, it seems unlikely that any truly great novels would be written by someone who continuously checks Wikipedia to try to get the story to work

>>3239897
Our philosophy if it still exists will be viewed at as such; as the product of a decadent culture, as will our art. The 20th century with its art and philosophy will mark the point at which western culture went downhill. Rome took centuries to collapse, though.

>>3239902
I was thinking more along the lines of the rise of the internet and personal computers. Think of how drastically it has changed the family unit, relationships between people, how we view our world. I'm sure this has in some way influenced how the mass understand and deal with politics

>>3239892
The names of Saturn's moons aren't significant, what is significant is knowing how they formed and why they are the way they are. Look at Jupiter, if you had some basic science literacy, you could look at the moons of Jupiter which are hot, some of which have volcanoes, tidal warming effects, and their affect on earth with regard to the sun and the moon.

Look at the current educational system even. You can get a 4-year university degree without ever studying history, economics, or mathematics. How pathetic is that? Very.

>>3239892
Traditional cultures used to force students to memorise things like poetry, grammar, logic, because they understood that you can't be said to really 'know' the subject unless you have memorised it.

>>3239911
>economics
>not logic, rhetoric, latin, greek, philosophy

It's the generation that knew about climate change and decided to take action -- legalize marijuana.

>>3239914
That too, but that's an extremely common 1st year course. Even science majors take philosophy, some require logic courses.

I think our generation / society will be remembered, since it is the first generation that has access to free knowledge in such a huge amount.
Sure other generations had public libraries too, but nothing ever came close to the internet. Also the possibilities to talk to people (in real time) that are on the other side of the planete.

I also think, that we await big developements in the internet in terms of copyright. Right now the internet is still 'new' and there are still tons of discussions on shit on what to do, but I think there will be a day when there are harder actions against the free distribution of movies, series, music and other copyrighted media.

>>3239915
Climate change with regard to carbon dioxide is a myth. They don't take into account the carbon cycle and its affect on the levels of water vapour in the atmosphere in their computer models.

What terrifies me is the idea that there's no decline and fall coming, honestly. It's just going to keep going like this. History was a catalog of hills and we can move mountains. It's just going to be like this until we go extinct from a real cataclysm. The year 3450 will look like a more crowded 2017.

>>3239926
>Climate change with regard to carbon dioxide is a myth.

I know, I know. It's not carbon. It's your god that's doing it.

>>3239931
To answer OP's question, nothing. Nothing about us will be interesting. They'll laugh at our antiquated toys and that's about it, the same way we react when we see a Betamax.

>>3239926
Funny, say that on /sci/ and you will get your teeth kicked in.

>>3239926
>hurr durr I'm a retard

Yes, there is a carbon cycle, and yes, CO2 is not the primary atmospheric insulator. But human pollution is exacerbating the Greenhouse Effect, and we're destroying the oceans.

http://climate.nasa.gov/causes

>>3239909
I see what you mean. Family interaction has definitely decreased. Traditional culture put a heavy emphasis on the family. Asian cultures especially.

>>3239931
I think we will continue to change technologically, and this will invariably have an effect on everyone that it comes into contact with. To me it is tempting to say that humanity will stagnate and just continue on existing merely because it's more desirable than death, and that we have this apathetic outlook on life. This may be true, but in the long run, I think technology is too unpredictable to assume humanity will last like this forever.

>>3239911
The thing is, how will this benefit me? As sherlock holmes had said when Watson told him some planetary fact, he said he now had to clear it out of his head. Holme's reasoning was that the brain was like a room and the knowledge is the furniture. Only the best furniture that is most relevant to you should be used.

Let's look at the flip side of things.

What does the year 1912 mean to you? What about 1812, or 1712?

>>3239938
No, its methane that's causing it, which is why we need to stop using cattle for meat and use Bison
>>3239942
/sci/ is fucking retarded when it comes to this shit. They're all CS and CE majors who feel the need to speak outside of their specialty with absolution.

I haven't met one person besides me who has actually read the UN panel's opinion, it doesn't say there's global warming, it says they saw some trend and think it might have something to due with carbon dioxide levels. Not to mention that we've hit the peak temperature 10 years ago and ice levels in the antarctic are back, and global ice levels are the same. We're on a cooling trend despite being at a maximum in the periodic solar activity cycle.

Its just climate scientists that want more research grant money, which they will get for ratcheting up the fear. Climate research subsidies have increased by 80 billion world-wide.

Google Effect.
Google Effect everywhere.

>>3239957
Tidal forces explain why the oceans are displaced during certain times. It also allows you to know about the cycle of the moon and its effects on the atmosphere and oceans, something I'm sure you'd want in your atmosphere for your shitty novel.

>>3239962
Which reminds me.

We are going to be called "The Google Generation."

Better get used to it now. It is too easy not to use.

>>3239957
How can you decide on what's relevant before coming into contact with something? As well, you don't know what you don't know. Something could be relevant but you won't know it because from the outside it will look unimportant.

>>3239915
The climate is always changing. It was never static to start with.

Global warming on the hand, will be forgotten like the 'global cooling' of the 70's

>>3239958
Not much, but only because I'm an uneducated fuck

>>3239966

>This fucking guy

>>3239965
Its the same logic as people who say, "hurr why do we need nasa subsidies", while checking their cellphone for messages.

>>3239966
>"global cooling" of the 70's
That's not what they meant when the term "Nuclear Winter" was thrown around in the newspapers.

>>3239966
>Global warming on the hand, will be forgotten

It most certainly will. Thanks to the awesome effects of weed on one's memory.

>>3239958
1912 is the peak of sheer capitalist productivity in the United States and Canada
1812 is the start of a great relationship with the United States and Canada
1712 is the period of colonization and the expansion of Canada

All things that are ingrained in my culture.

>>3239972
No, you don't remember but scientists were saying the earth was cooling and we were all doomed. Then it turned out they were wrong.

>>3239960
It's being caused by the sun, you know, the main driver of all climate on the planet. The warming just coincides with industrialisation, but its an entirely natural phenomenon. The earth cools and warms constantly throughout its life.

>>3239966
Global cooling was largely just the media. Scientists have been reporting a rise for quite some time. In fact, cooling was based on the fact that the Sun would get cooler. It has, but alas, the temperatures increase do to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Are you aware of how our atmosphere works, good sir?

>>3239958
1912
>wars a loomin
>titanic
1812
>war again
>Napoleon
1712
>populating of "new world"

>>3239975
The sun isn't the main driver of climate. The Earth is. The Earth radiates way more heat into the atmosphere than the Sun does

>>3239975
You're an idiot the Sun is actually in a cooling phase.

You know what I love? A thread being derailed by bickering about a topic that /lit/ is the least qualified board to be talking about.

It brings back fond memories of my /v/ days.

>>3239976
>hurr muh carbon dioxide bixnood muh fugga
>implying its not just natural warming

>>3239980
And you're also wrong. It is the atmosphere that warms the planet. CO2 is one thing that warms it. If you add more CO2 guess what? The planet becomes warmer as it magnifies the heat from the Sun. That is how global warming works.

>>3239960
>and use Bison

We still still have bison roaming around somewhere? Where? Tell me!

>>3239980
The earth wouldn't have a climate without the sun.
>>3239981
>implying its still not the sun

>>3239986
Sorry I am not interested in accepting Al Gore as my lord and saviour.

>>3239984
It's not genius. Or ask any climate scientist. Of course its a natural warming coming from increase CO2 in the atmosphere. What, do you think the atmosphere WON'T warm from increased CO2?

>>3239986
Yes, but, it traps way more infrared radiation from the Earth. Saying CO2 warms the Earth is like saying a blanket just heats things up. Its an insulator.

>>3239987
There's like half a million in the States, growing every year.

>>3239986
>CO2 is one thing that warms it.

u wot?

We /sci/ now.

>>3239988
How do you explain the moons of Jupiter which have volcanoes and thick atmospheres?

>>3239988
How is the Earth hot? Would the Earth be hot without an atmosphere? No, of course it wouldn't. So what is causing the heat? The chemical makeup of the atmosphere.

>>3239963
can't say i'm writing a novel. just like to visit this board for discussions such as these. A novel requires a higher level of writing and analytic skill I currently posses.
>>3239965
>How can you decide on what's relevant..
Fair point. All I can say is that I tend to focus narrowly.

>>3239990
Increased CO2 leads to more water vapour, which leads to more precipitation, which leads to carbon storage in sea rock, which regulates carbon levels.

>>3239998
How do you explain the fact that mars has global warming going on too? Is it because of our carbon emissions?
>>3239990
>climate scientists
>not just grant hungry academics who make shit up to get more grant money

>Says methane is causing the warming.
>Denies CO2 is causing the warming.
>Both increase heat experienced on Earth.

>>3240004
No, how do you explain them?

I know why, but it detracts from your idiotic theory that the Sun is the dominate force in heating.

>>3240007
the sun.

>>3240006
CO2 levels are regulated by the increased water vapour, which decreases the levels of water vapour.

Its basic climate science.

>>3240001
than I currently posses
case in point.. (replying to myself)

>>3240003
No, it doesn't magically regulate it to make sure it doesn't go any lower or higher. That's a silly suggestion.

>>3240008
They are more than 5AU away. They should be ridiculously cold.

>>3240012
Maybe it's our carbon emissions

>>3240011
Of course it does, that's nature.

>No it doesn't magically regulate it and make sure it comes back down when thrown up

>>3240013
One of them has no carbon dioxide, yet has liquid water.

>>3240009
Climate science? It seems no climate scientists agree with you. Even those that reject the fact that humans are causing global warming don't pretend that the water vapor just automatically regulated the flow of CO2. It changes and is always in flux. Saying that it stays the same because of water vapor is fucking stupid.

>>3240014
Yes, factories in china make jupiter's moons get hotter.

>>3240016
>hurr im so fucking retarded

>>3240014
No, nature doesn't do that. If a volcano erupted right now and spit out an abundance of CO2, of the likes of which were in existence when the Earth was relatively young, the CO2 in the atmosphere would skyrocket, regardless of the water vapor in the atmosphere. It does not make sure the atmosphere is at a certain level. Our atmosphere is filled with greenhouse gases which heat the atmosphere and aren't magically regulated by natural processes. Like anything else in nature it can be thrown out of balance.

Reading this thread...oh god we're doomed by ignorance and gullibility...

>>3239992
>There's like half a million in the States, growing every year.

http://www.wcs.org/saving-wildlife/hoofed-mammals/bison.aspx

"Since then—with much thanks to strong conservation efforts that mobilized in the early 1900s—the continent’s bison population was able to grow to about 450,000. But fewer than 20,000 of these animals range freely and many contain genes from cattle or other bison subspecies. The vast majority of today’s bison are raised as domestic livestock. "

"But fewer than 20,000 of these animals range freely "

"But fewer than 20,000 of these animals range freely "

>>3240023
you're realizing this now? get your shit together anon.

>>3240020
Herp derp

>>3240019
>Yes, factories in china make jupiter's moons get hotter.

Factories in China also make my expensive underground shelters which will protect the worthy from the wrath of god.

>>3240034
guess that rules you out

>>3240030
CO2 levels fluctuate on a larger scale than 50 years.

>>3240020
Atmospheric CO2 levels are at 392ppm, what happened to your magic water vapor processes bro? Weren't they supposed to magically regulate the gases in the sky to keep us nice and warm but not too warm? They're not working.

>>3240039
Lame rebuttal faggot.

>>3240037
>guess that rules you out

It sure as hell doesn't rule out your sisters and daughters.

>>3239824

nothing. nothing. no. literature will go the way of music (as in, it will functionally die).

>>3240046
Facts aren't floury dipshit

>>3240003
that's the THEORY and MODEL according to these doomsday sorts.

There is very little reality to such claims.

>>3240043
The ocean is a big place, and carbon levels fluctuate over greater periods of time than a few decades.

>>3240055
The doomsday activists ignore the carbon storage and reduced water vapor part when they make their computer models. This is widely accepted by the way, I don't know why you guys are insisting this is not real science.

> the earth isn't round, if it were I could use the ground anywhere as a lever

>>3240069
anyways, increased CO2 is a good thing in the atmosphere, helps plants to grow.

>>3239957

Y'know Sherlock Holmes was a drug addict right?
And if your answer is that he's a fictional character so it doesn't matter, well....

>>3240069
>I don't know why you guys are insisting this is not real science.

Some people just don't get it. Happy times are ahead.

>>3240090
>Y'know Sherlock Holmes was a drug addict right?

He was first and foremost a fictional character. You know that, right?

>>3240090
>well....

well....you lose.

ITT /lit/ figures out how many ways it can get trolled

It will be rememebered as the generation of the 'Arrival'. It is a generation where the enlightened are enfeebled by a self-appointed 'mainstream' of corporatist media interests. Massive use of drugs and opiates, sanctioned or otherwise, and other sedatives and 'anti-depressants.' A society with one sector that wants to press down like an inquisition and the plebes who can all but feel as on a 2-dimensional matrix wheras in fact 'there is no up..' Scary food for thought for any government organization, hence universal surveillance and state-sanctioned normativity-generation by use of a media (most of which are populated by DOD, form what I have heard on the inturwebs). The executive branched eclipsed by the defense budget, totally go-between to wall street and Congress divided on itself as if by design, everything down to Ben Bernanke's ;bottom line'. More inflation, more busts, more recession, capitalism's last gasp and yet the Watchers coax on the enlightened who thrive on last gasps of Mayan codices and solar cyclic prophecy.
They are coming. We are the generation that will be able to self-reflect, and 'all shall be revealed', and made sense of.
To each, for each, HIS/Her own.

>>3240089
Plants won't even use up lower levels of CO2 unless they receive a lot of light, the temperature is right for increased metabolism, and they're receiving a good amount of nutrients. This is why CO2 saturation is rarely done in commercial growing unless the conditions are highly controlled.

>>3240090
yes I do. He was also a boxer and a swordsman I believe along with most famously a detective (obviously). I'm curious how this is relevant. No, I don't do drugs of any sort, but Holme's intellect wasn't harmed with how doyle wrote it.

>/lit/ what's the zeitgest?

how do you expect us to know?