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3348047 No.3348047 [Reply] [Original]

Why does people try to find plot-holes on Tolkien work and expose them while there are many 'master pieces' with plot-holes and no one talks about them?

Why does everyone here dislike Tolkien?

>> No.3348055

He's popular and good. Apparently you can only be one or the other unless your shit was made over a hundred years ago.

>> No.3348072

Because maybe Tolkien intended to patch them before his death?

Maybe on his death bed, he realized the eagle dilemma that plague so many to this day.

>> No.3348076
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3348076

The guy who started the trend was a troll. We partake of the "hole-poking" in a parodical sense.

>> No.3348084

>>3348076
I came to 4chan late, was there any reason that picture was used?

>> No.3348088

>>3348084
Yes. That's the picture that accompanies every "Why didn't X do Y?" thread in regard to Tolkien.

>> No.3348092

>>3348088
Why was it chosen though?
Why did anyone even screencap that moment out of every other one?

>> No.3348105

>>3348092
I would assume because in that picture Frodo looks like a know-it-all douchebag.

>> No.3348119

>>3348092
Why phrase your sentence like you did?
Why not say, "Why did someone screencap that moment in particular?"

>> No.3348136

>>3348076
Tolkien plot-holes/inconsistencies were pointed out before the movies.

>> No.3348137

>>3348119
>Why phrase your sentence like you did?
Because OP's using google translate.

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3348163

That'll do it.

>> No.3348165

Why is the OP of translating queries when is not to able to respond to further statements.

Seems to I, much silliness.

Picture can have niceness, but not board correct.

Warm feeling accumulate.

>> No.3348212

>>3348072
I'm fairly certain that at some point, he directly addressed the Eagle problem by saying angrily that the Eagles were "not a taxi service."

>> No.3348214

>>3348212
But they clearly were. Whispering into the ear of a moth played essentially the same function as hailing a cab.

>> No.3348222

>>3348214
Only in the movies you fuck. Actually Read a book before discussing it here
>>>/tv/

>> No.3349947

>>3348047
Because eagles, man.

>> No.3349954

>>3348212

proof that tolkien ghostwrote the big lebowski

>> No.3349997

You don't "find" plotholes, in the sense that you don't go running for them, that is besides the point. The way people use the term plothole in 4chan and internet in general doesn't mean much, it's just a way to rustle jimmies and start some nitpicking engines on neckbeards. That's why LotR gets a lot of talking on plotholes, just because it's famous and easy to get the fanbase to talk endlessly about it.

A plot works as it works, as you read it, how you experience it and so on. Effectively, if you don't notice something is wrong, there is nothing wrong with it. However, that doesn't mean others cannot perceive that slip, which doesn't make them better readers, but different ones. So that something which was left behind weights on his experience of the work, it confuses, annoys, draws him out of the book (or film, etc). Thus, we are able to share this experience here and there. The guy that noticed the plothole, by speaking about it and teasing the other to explain it to him, has already won. The other guy begins to see the piece under that logic and the experience is transformed.

Plotholes are things left behind that harm the story. But stories are much more than what they show and more about what they don't show, so the line between something that spoils the continuity or just a poetic freedom is only in the eyes of the person experiencing it.

Some plotholes are obvious and can draw a lot of criticism. But most of the times people don't talk about plotholes here.