/lit/ - Literature

I can't bear cinema. My favourite films are silly ones like Ferris Bueller's Day Off and A Knight's Tale.

Lone Wolf and Cub
Rambo III
The Man from Hong Kong
The Cremaster Cycle
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song

The Turin Horse

Movies are really, really stupid. Even the so called "great" and "artsy" ones.

>>3455188
Except for The Terminator, I mean.

is that Man Bites Dog?
if I'm remembering right and that's it then that's a fucking rad movie

>>3455217
it is and it is

Read Deleuze's series on Cinema.

I have a list of movies on my phone so that when ever anyone I'm with asks for great movies I can easily recommend them. Among my favourties are:
-A Clockwork Orange
-American Beauty
-Beetlejuice
-Carrie
-Dead Poets Society
-Donnie Darko
-Electrick Children
-Girl Interrupted
-Lolita
-Mysterious Skin
-The Virgin Suicides

Aguirre the Wrath of God
The Man Without a Past
M
La Haine
The Third Man

Anything by based Tarkovsky, the greatest visionary in the history of cinema.

I'm sure you have a better taste and knowledge in films than /tv/:
-Ohh yeah.

*Badlands
*Last Tango In Paris
*Barfly
*Lost Highway
*Brazil

>>3455308
>Badlands

That movie is for 14 year old girls.

>>3455300
I like your taste. Do you like Jean-Pierre Melville?

>>3455308
http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandundpolls/2012/voter/94
No compromises for high quality or good taste.

>>3455309
bad trolling

Sugisball

>>3455300
Man after my own head. If you liked Aguirre, you'll probably like the documentary Herzog made about working with Kinski. There's a lot of fascinating behind-the-scenes stuff about Kinski losing his shit while filming Aguirre. I think it's called My Best Enemy in english.

>>3455315
Actually haven't seen any of his films as I'm just getting into French cinema. I tend to focus on a specific genre or country at a time. Just yesterday I watched Truffaut's the 400 Blows and it was brilliant. Can you recommend any of Melville's titles?

>>3455324
Trolling? He's absolutely right.

>>3455327
I agree. All of W. Herzog is watchable.
Mein liebster Feind is so good. Kinski was a jerk, a totally moron.

>>3455333
Did you guys even watch it?. It's a goddamn classic.
I can still see the frames for me.
jeezz

>>3455327
I actually own the dvd-set with all of their collaborations and I absolutely agree, Herzog and Kinski is the most interesting, chaotic, creative and utterly insane dyad I know of. Also Fitzcarraldo is a fucking amazing film, the cgi bullshit we get fed nowadays really makes you appreciate the depths they went in creating art.

>>3455332

Yes. Based on your list I think you'd enjoy Le Samourai and Le Cercle rouge.

>all that pleb ITT
This guy is an exception >>3455300


also Literature.
And btw, there are people on /tv/ who post quality threads.

>>3455348
Film is a low form of art. It could never aspire to anything beyond pleb-tier.

I like Kurosawa, Fellini, Bergman, Herzog, good old Kubrick... I don't know much of cinema. I also like Orson Welles a lot, there is something about everything he does, F for Fake is incredible. Hitchcock... I admire him as a director as well. On more recent filmmakers, I really like the work of the Coens Brothers, specially when they touch the surreal, but their scripts are great and there is something behind every line, every laugh, that is filled with life.

I recently got into Tarkovsky and I watched all his films in a week, read about him, etc, I'm completely enamored with his work, what a brilliant artist. I don't think what he did compares to the others really, there is something really powerful about him.

On generic blockbusters, I have a thing for all Bond movies, I also like the work of David Fincher, though he misses sometimes. I like Nolan, but he has blown out of proportion, I think he has good ideas, but fails at executing them. I hate how things are going with CGI, I really can't watch something with much of it...

>>3455352
Film is the absolute form of art.
It combines Literature, Photography, Theatre and Music.

>>3455363
Photography is not a form of art. It is the expressions of the limits of a program.

>>3455352
You are a sad, close-minded man with a desperate need to feel superior. Go outside.

>>3455352
>ranking art
full pleb

>>3455368
>Photography is not a form of art. It is the expressions of the limits of a program.

>>3455352
If you are serious and not a ruseman I pity you for having such a narrow view of art.
The potential to seamlessly incorporate visual, aural and textual cues, motion and illusionary effects can never aspire beyond the potential of plain text or pictures on a wall?
Film as an art form has amazing potential, most of it is shit just as most of literature and painting is shit, but you are the worst pleb of all plebdom if you do not recognize the artistic prowess of a Kurosawa, Lang or Tarkovsky.

>>3455368
>Photography is not a form of art. It is the expressions of the limits of a program.

Ironically, I advise those who think film/photography is not an art to read more.

>>3455375
Tarkovsky was a pleb. Have you ever read his book? He's an idiot.

>>3455380
I've read more than you and I know that photography is the worst thing to happen to art, but nobody acknowledges it because the technical image has destroyed the culture to the point of hypnotism. The program of the camera uses photographers as its functionaries, very rarely is it the other way around.

>>3455375
> seamlessly incorporate visual, aural and textual cues, motion and illusionary effects

Video games can do all that and more.

>>3455382
I don't give two shits about him as a person, and if you knew even the basic premisses of any modern theories about art you would be able to differentiate the work of art from the artist.

>>3455388
So you don't think photography is an art form because most of the people who use a camera don't create art?

>>3455388
>The program of the camera uses photographers as its functionaries, very rarely is it the other way around.
Exactly. Because people don't take it as an art form. The image was too powerful, people were hypnotized as you said so yourself. Then again, it doesn't have to be that way.

>>3455389
Video games do have amazing potential, but they just tend to be pants on head retarded (no wonder the medium is only a couple of decades old).

>>3455338
It's intimidating to see just how crazy he was, yeah. The whole bit about filming in the jungle was amazing, especially the native extras offering to arrange an 'accident' to get rid of him before he killed someone.

>>3455345
Oh yeah, Fitzcarraldo is incredible too - the sheer lengths they went to for the effects... it's astounding. I'm still hoping for the day film-makers get the same attitude towards practical effects as musicians have towards LP's. All this polished computer stuff is nice, but it never feels real. I mean, the effects in a film like The Thing are infinitely more impressive than Avatar.

But yeah, Herzog and Kinski are like two volatile chemicals reacting to form cinematic gold. The dynamic between the two of them is just captivating.

>>3455338

To be fair, I think Herzog is a jerk too. I mean he was totally irresponsible during the filming of Fitzcarraldo. He endangered everyone on that set. The principle engineer quit because he knew what was what, and the Aguarana, the indigenous group he was working with burned the film crew's set. This would probably make some of you like him even more, but I think it makes Herzog a giant tool. I really like some of his movies, but it's an exaggeration to say all of his films are watchable (ex. Heart of Glass, while interesting methodologically speaking, is mind-numbingly boring, as is his film about Kaspar Hauser).

His remake of Murnau's Nosferatu is underrated though.

>>3455382
His book is absolutely great.

>>3455393
Correct. In fact, it is so rare that the photographer is able to capture something new an unexplored within the finite limits of the camera's program that, like video games or cooking, it can never be anything more than a low art form that only occasionally touches lightly upon some reference of the infinite (it can never touch the infinite).

But most people, including the majority of people ITT, are photographically illiterate. Pictures are everywhere, but they don't know how to read them.

>>3455401
Nosferatu is amazing, Kinski was born to play that role.

>>3455402
No, it's absolute bollocks of the first order. If you want to argue that his personal life has nothing to do with his art, fine, I don't care. But the book is terrible.

>>3455413
Elaborate please

>implying yall niggas didnt cry like little bitches when you first watched the glorious beauty that is Cinema Paradiso

Can you assholes take this to /tv/? This pretentious circlejerk has nothing to do with literature.

>>3455409
You're right, but most people write shitty, make srupid films, can't paint or make good music.
Yet these are all considered high art forms.

>>3455097
That movie.
One of my favourite, indeed.
But also, Fritz Lang is very interesting.

>>3455356
Try Bela Tarr now

movies are boring

this thread kills the man

>>3455182
I saw this a few weeks ago. It was pretty powerful; I've never seen a film which was so devastatingly bleak.

>>3455414
Nah, I was just trolling to see if I could get some good 2deep4u responses but I don't have time to keep it up.

As an apology, here's a video of the man discussing art and life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=-B57JJ_bM

>>3455426
I kept thinking something was going to happen -- it never did. I'm glad I watched The Turin Horse, but I would never choose to watch it again. I agree that it is wonderfully bleak and soul-crushing.

>>3455401
You got a point. But then again that could be said about Kubrick, Coppola (Apocalypse Now), etc.
I guess making movies is a somewhat dirty business.

>>3455444

I don't know about Kubrick, but definitely Coppola for Apocalypse Now. The town the film crew stayed at still has problems with boy prostitution that allegedly started with the film.

>>3455428
>pretending to be an idiot
>expecting 2deep4u responses

>>3455402 here
That's the best I can do. Slight opposition, just so that people who never heard of him don't get the impression that the opinion you expressed there is the norm.

Why waste time with anything more than that?

Btw, whole thing is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTvbrtMqU

>>3455188
Books are really, really stupid. Even the so called "great" and "artsy" ones.

Wannabe /tv/ elitists pls go

>>3455539
Agreed.

>>3455493
Not that guy, but there isn't anything idiotic about thinking a book is shit. Too many people pride themselves on their taste as if it absolves them from their other (numerous) faults.

Vivre sa vie, The bakery girl of moncaeu, Man bites dog, enter the void, About de souffle, L'eclisse, waking life, on the road, naked lunch.

Pretty good movies, I like good movies, good books, good drinks and good tobacco. All you need to enjoy life
>and bitches

>>3455591
How did you manage to assume so much?

He was deliberately pretending to be an idiot, regardless of what idiot means to me or to you.

Yojimbo
Gladiator
Seven Samurai
Braveheart
Let the Right One In
The Indiana Jones trilogy
Sanjuro
The Lost Boys
The 400 blows
The Lord of the Rings trilogy

Thats all I can think of at the minute

>>3455611
PLEB MAXIMUS

I know enough that people with poor taste are the most outspoken.

>>3455611
>Braveheart

For the love of God, at least say 'Rob Roy'.

>>3455614

At least he knows about Kurosawa.

>>3455632
that's just next to kubrick and pta in the entry level tier

>>3455635

You'd be surprised how many people disregard Japanese cinema entirely. Whenever I talk about Kurosawa to anybody, they think I'm a weeaboo or whatever it's called.

Dr Strangelove
Ran
Apocalypse Now
8 and a Half
Tokyo Story
Rosemary's Baby
Stalker
A Brighter Summer Day
Paris, Texas
Blade Runner
Blow Up
White Heat
Pierrot le Fou
The Fly
Eraserhead
Modern Times
The Man From Nowhere

My favourites aren't really representative of what movies I most commonly watch, though, since I watch more or less everything. They're more just movies that I found very interesting, and are solid and well made in every aspect. That sounds like what "favourites" are supposed to be, but it's not, really. I can't quite articulate the distinction.

Anyone know of a site that's like Goodreads but for movies?

I haven't had a lot of time for movies nowadays, but when I did I made a list of my top-25 that I'd recommend to friends:

Apocalypse Now
Ashes and Diamonds
The Aviator
Blade Runner
Bonnie & Clyde
Breathless
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Chinatown
City of God
The Dollars Trilogy
The Double Life of Veronique
The Godfather I & II
Goodfellas
The Graduate
Hannah & Her Sisters
La Dolce Vita
Mean Streets
Modern Times
On the Waterfront
Raging Bull
Se7en
Taxi Driver
Thin Red Line
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Y tu mama tambien

I love that Blu-Ray is here now because DVDs are so cheap. I love being able to buy box sets for under $10 some places. In the last little while I've bought the Stanley Kubrick: Warner Home Video Directors Series, Werner Herzog Collection, Woody Allen Collection, The Martin Scorsese Film Collection, The Warner Gangsters Collection, some of the TCM Greatest Classic Films collections, and some other things.

>>3455614

Face it, none of those (except maybe Indiana Jones) are bad films, you just don't like them because of their popularity.

>>3455681
Disliking something because it's popular? No! Don't be silly, you won't find that on the internet...

>>3455635

>Kurosawa
>entry level tier

>>3455681
I think his point wasn't that the films you like are bad, but more just that there are far better out there that are lesser known.

>>3455681
Who said I dislike them? I just said the guy is a pleb.

>>3455697
Not him, but Kurosawa is indeed entry-level. Not that it means much, Kurosawa is good. Which doesn't excuse one being a pleb.

>>3455710

Enlighten me then, transform me from plebeian to patrician

>>3455697
kubrik and kurosawa are def entry level

that doesn't mean theyre bad or they aren't classics, it just means its really well known and easy for everyone to like.

>>3455681
Don't worry, a lot of the people who list these foreign "lesser known" directors just do so not because they enjoy them or understand them, but because it separates them from the "herd" or the them. They're trying to find some authenticity and establish a sense of being individuals or artistic minded. It's probably out of some sense of realizing their own mortality and their desire to be recognized and be somebody.

>>3455657

Filmaffinity?

>>3455721
No. You have to find your own way, without any preconceived notions of what you're going to be watching.

>>3455746
>implying the people who list non-pleb tier shit didn't just Google film lists

>>3455751
That's not what I was implying at all, although I could see how you could think that. My advice is to just whatever you can, as much as you can. To know the good, you have to know the bad. A lot of people equate being "patrician" with "pseudo-intellectual hipster who'll only like things if they're either not known to the general public or are acknowledged as being unfit for the general public", but that's really not what it is at all, or, at least, that's not what it should be. Being "patrician" is more about just loving (and being knowledgeable) of an art form to a very high degree, and that doesn't mean using other people as a basis for your comparison. It's more about comparing where you started off to where you are now.

or if you're just want some good films to watch that you may have not seen before my favourites list is here >>3455656 you'll probably like at least a few of those

>>3455788
*watch whatever you can

>>3455723

You couldn't be farther from the truth. Knowing obscure directors does help establish a sense of individuality and superiority, but it also entails loneliness and stigmatization; with whom can you talk about directors nobody knows? If I were craving validation and recognition, I'd stick with accessible works of art.

>>3455788

I agree with you, and your list is nearly flawless. I'll submit mine in a few minutes.

>>3455796
So you're choosing to be lonely and "stigmatized"? Really, the only stigmatization that I see happening comes from the people with their "obscure directors" establishing their "superiority" over those who like LoTR and Indiana Jones by going loll pleb tier. Gimme a break and quit the victim shit.

>>3455806

I am stigmatized for enjoying classic Japanese cinema. I am stigmatized for enjoying Bresson, Malle, Von Trier and the like. I have to hide my tastes and my aversions, or people look at me with incomprehension and hatred. The same goes for literature and music.

I prefer cinema to books, actually. But I hate television.
As for movies I like;

Seul contre tous
Extension du domaine de la lutte
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1
Ran
Leon
Natural Born Killers (but I hate the director's cut)
Nixon (it's flawed but I like watching it)
There will be blood
and stuff I forgot about

>>3455808

Ikiru
Ran
Raging Bull
Antichrist
The Wages of Fear
Woman in the Dunes
Winter Light
Fires on the Plain
Diary of a Country Priest
Vengeance is Mine
The Fire Within
Harakiri

>>3455421
Thanks. I will.

>>3455363
using this argument demonstrates you have shit taste and don't "get" art. You probably couldn't provide a definition of art, and if you did, I'm sure it's stupid. Anyways, by that logic, videogames are most art of all arts, they combine all traditionally respected high-class mediums.

There are posters on /tv/ with good taste, everything itt has just been standard film studies freshman shit anyways, basic french new wave, Herzog, Tarkovsky.
You'd find all that on a /tv/ entry-level recommendation list.
Learn to lurk a board for your information and don't post on the wrong ones.

I don't watch many films but directors I like atm are Pier Pasolini (The Decameron), David Lynch (Lost Highway), David Cronenberg (eXistenZ) and Aki Kaurasmaki (Drifting Clouds).
I like movies that incorporate humor and/or surrealism.

>>3455862
>P.P.Pasolini
my man
did you watch the trilogy of life, or just decameron?

>>3455635
>he thinks there is an order

I didn't even get into PTA until way after my Czech Republic film phase.

>>3455862
And by the way, it is spelled Kaurismäki

>>3455788
>Being "patrician" is

>actually taking that shit seriously

Go outside.

>>3455862
Lost Highway is awful after the first 30 minutes. Pasolini is a one hit wonder and Cronenberg never reached his potential.

>>3455907
The trilogy, I got the collection on criterion during one of their sales. I liked the decameron the best out of them, though.
The guy seems interesting, I haven't looked further into him than his wikipedia summary.

>>3455921
Any good czech movies you'd recommend?

>>3455926

bitch I too just saved that image from /tv in hopes of accopmanig my random post at /lit. Bitch wtf!

>>3455931
I detest the term, but that was the term that was being used, so that's what I used. Hence the quotation marks whenever I said it. I would've preferred to have used a term like "film enthusiast" but then some asshole would've replied "that's not the same as being patrician", or something along those lines.

>>3455926

>eXistenz

worst fucking movie off al time, bravo joss

>>3455936
Overall I think I liked some of Lynch's other films more but there are a lot individual scenes that I loved a lot in Lost Highway. Pasolini seems pretty well respected in a large variety of mediums. What would you consider Cronenberg's full potential?

>>3455968
I just felt like Cronenberg was the one who could have taken body horror to a more appreciable level, but he often opts for neat-looking special effects over anything of meaning, and so he never truly escapes being much more than a sci-fi director imo. He's clearly an intelligent man, but his early films can be a little convoluted. I think The Brood almost takes it there, but I haven't seen it in years.

>>3455939
criterion itself has good reviews on movies they release
http://www.criterion.com/explore/1-pier-paolo-pasolini
but this summarizes all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAS1MRzw

>>3455289
>Donnie Darko
Ugh. One of the worst-directed films I've ever seen.

Speaking of David Lynch, a few of my friends and I started watching Twin Peaks, and I didn't expect it to be so entertaining. One of them has pretty sub-par taste in films/TV, and even he's loving the shit out of it.

>>3456016
It was his first film. It's not bad.

>>3455941
>>3455941
Look into the Czech New Wave. Loves of a Blonde and Closely Watched Trains are two films that stand out. Milos Forman, who did Loves of a Blonde, later came to America and made One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Amadeus, and The People vs. Larry Flynt.

So closer is on
and i'm watching it
and have you seen it

and that could have been
with just a couple more words
a little haiku

the extra syllables should have been fucking

>>3455409
>Correct. In fact, it is so rare that the photographer is able to capture something new an unexplored within the finite limits of the camera's program that, like video games or cooking, it can never be anything more than a low art form that only occasionally touches lightly upon some reference of the infinite (it can never touch the infinite).
You're an idiot. Photography is much more than that, in fact most of the work being produced now has gone through some post-process to the capturing.

>>3456026
It isn't exactly Stan Brakhage. It's fairly straightforward, for the most part, and the trappings of the soap opera genre appeal to most people. I got my 13 year old sister into it.

>>3456001
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but I like Cronenberg for his pulpiness specifically. I like that a lot of it is tasteless indulgence, it's not pulp in an actual commercial way, it's exploring stuff you can see he genuinely wants to see and he does it in a very solid, tightly controlled way.
I haven't seen many of his movies, I've not seen Brood but by appreciable do you mean like some of the pieces in Naked Lunch, with the sex insect or Kiki getting raped?

>>3456006
I bought the DVD so it came with a handful of essays and interviews but thanks for the video.

>>3456039
You call him an idiot yet your post is barely coherent. "Some post-process to the capturing"?

>>3456055
>yet your post is barely coherent
Things are either coherent or not, they are not "barely" coherent. Does that barely make sense to you?

>>3456046
Forgot to say, watch "Il Vangelo Secondo Matteo" if you enjoyed Pasolini

By the way what about silent movies, you people still watch them?

>>3456066
What.

>>3456066
Incorrect.

>>3456092
You wish.

>>3456067
Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

Yeah, I don't have any special distaste for them. I've seen one or two recently. A Jean Vigo short film.

>>3456055
they're both dumb but calling an entire medium dead, as specially one as new as photography, is dumber. The last time he stepped inside a museum or gallery was probably with his 5th grade class.
Takeshi Murataa

>>3456143
He didn't say photography is dead, he implied it was never alive. And I agree.

>>3456103
>saging so i won't see your response and make fun of you even more for being an idiot

>>3456143
>as specially one as new as photography
It's not that new. If you follow certain arguments around the history of painting and the camera obscura, it's arguably pretty old.

I don't really know dick about film, but I recently discovered Takeshi Kitano and I really dig his stuff.

5 favorite movies

12 Angry Men
Apocalypse Now
American History X
Lords of Dogtown
Rounders

Come at me you motherfuckers, I swear I'll fucking wreck you

>>3456143
>Takeshi Murataa
That's who you're going to summon as your defense of photography as art? His photographs are almost the perfect example of the other anon's point about photos succumbing to the limits of the camera rather than the intentions of the photographer.

>>3456164
Why wouldn't you see his response if you're ITT anyway?

>>3456181
Because most people leave the threads and revisit them when they've been bumped. At least on slow boards like /lit/

>>3456177
Man I watched 12 angry men right before I got summoned for jury duty once and I was so ready to go in there and convince a jury that anyone was innocent of any crime. But then they didn't pick me.

>>3456164
Saging because this whole thing is stupid. If you think photography amounts to pointing and clicking, you are an idiot, since you're talking on something you know nothing about. I'm not sure, though, if that's more stupid than this: >>3456055

>>3456187
What the fuck? I've never done this on /lit/, I leave a tab open

>>3456194
Welcome to /lit/. It's slow enough that you can do that.

>>3456159
You're right, I thought he meant there was nothing new being done.
I think it's silly to rate art forms on a scale from low to high or decide that one development was "bad" for art.
I don't know what he means by hypnotism and infinity and suspect it's just more evocative nonsense in the vein of "worst thing to happen" because he's found himself on a soapbox, considering he didn't bother elaborating.

I think that's he decided photography was a bad thing to happen to art shows that he believes there is an objective goal of all art that the historical influence of photography has pushed humanity further from rather than towards. This sounds very contrary to the core of postmodern thought, so I'm guessing that he blames photography for art's movement into modernism, still upholding the traditional values. That's okay I guess, but I don't see how your interpretation of history could stick it all on photography.

>>3456190
Real life sucks

>>3456191
Nobody said it amounts to pointing and clicking. and in fact all criticism has referenced the artistic intentions of the photographer. You're problematically idiotic, though. It is actually a problem that you believe that something like "barely coherent" isn't a correct statement. You need to address this.

>>3456206
Yeah kinda. I think there was more than one of me though because the DA had to stop prosecuting marijuana people once word got out that no jury would convict you of anything to do with pot, at least.

>>3456199
>4 posts in 2 minutes
This is not particularly slow

>>3456194
lol, noob.
Also the best way to browse lit is to start on page 10 and work you're way up. All shit threads are bound to be on page 1. And this way you can also help to bump quality pages.

To tricks that will make /lit/ much better for you bro.

>>3456194
Are you one of those slobs with 20+ tabs open at at a time?

>What the fuck?

You're surprised that not everybody behaves the way you do?

>>3456216
I'd rather stick to my style.

And I have that function that opens a thread in a new tab if I reply from the main page anyway

>>3456217
You're such a bunch of pussies

>>3456224
Sorry, coach.

>>3456178
If you want someone who is almost purely intentional, Andreas Gursky is the obvious choice. I'm not a big fan of his though, since he's like a kind of self defeating romanticist: he spends years looking for that "perfect shot", then tweaks everything in post. Some of the work he's produced I like, it's just his method.

I love Chuck Close's work too, and he's very much based within and around photography.

>>3456230
So you keep refreshing the first page and reply? Are you the guys who make "F5F5F5" jokes in 2013?

>>3456245
I want to believe you're just trolling. Basically, you can make 4chan a much more pleasant experience with userscripts and userstyles. Hell, I think it even has auto-update in the built in options now, gramps. Nobody hits f5 anymore.

>>3456207
>you believe that something like "barely coherent" isn't a correct statement.
Well, I didn't say it was "incorrect", more that it was meaningless. Basically, what was said above was "wow, you're calling someone else an idiot when I understood you but found it difficult", and frankly that's dumb. Especially when put under a guise of "coherency".

>>3456251
>reading comprehension

>>3456266
Is there an autoupdater for the main page though? Like just watching the main page and see the replies scrolling

Japanese cinema is superior to the western. Thats all there is to it.

>>3456281
define superior

>>3456285
Greater than. As opposed to equal to or less than.

>>3456291
In what way is Japanese cinema greater than the western?

>>3456293
he likes it more.

why so autismal?

>>3456295
But he was stating it objectively.

>>3456356
I don't see the word objective used once in his post. You just want to start an argument and that's all there is to it.

>>3456365
That's not true. I wasn't even expecting a reply to my sage or less than.

Citizen Cane
Oldboy
Rashomon
The Thin Red Line
A Clockwork Orange
2001: A Space Odyssey

Off the top of my head.

>>3456356
No. Stop assuming people mean it objectively. This "define this" attitude is awful. If I say "it's a beautiful day today" I don't have to define beautiful for you nor do I have to explain by starting to say "I believe that I think that I feel that today is subjectively beautiful for my taste durf durp".

Affirmations and assertations are not objective in themselves.

>>3456992
>Cane

that one hurt

Crumb is my favorite movie (duh).

It's hard to pick others. I've seen most films mentioned ITT and most are indeed pretty good.
Here's some of my favorites that weren't mentioned:

>Stroszek
>Barry Lyndon
>Faces
>Bicycle Thieves
>The Last Laugh
>Love and Anarchy
>Branded to Kill
>Burden of Dreams
>McCabe & Mrs. Miller
>Alice (Svankmajer)
>The Thin Blue Line
>The Wrong Man
>The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
>Fears Eat The Soul

I could go on for a while.

>>3457013
I like you.

ITT: Self-proclaimed patricians recommending multimillion-dollar budget Hollywood junk

>>3457045
>The Thin Blue Line

My all-time favorite documentary.

>>3455097
>I'm sure you have a better taste and knowledge in films than /tv/ or any other board.

>>3457045
Go on please. Taking notes here.

>>3457045
Please go on. Taking notes.

What does /lit/ say about Bela Tarr?

>>3457093
Alright, if you say so.

>Gimme Shelter
>Autumn Sonata
>Down by Law
>Edvard Munch
>The Mirror
>Only Angels Have Wings
>The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
>Harold and Maude
>The Man With A Movie Camera
>Paths of Glory
>The Player
>Rocco and His Brothers
>Conspirators of Pleasure
>Faust (all of them)
>The Holy Mountain
>The Night of the Hunter
>Nosferatu the Vampyre (both versions)
>Seven Beauties
>Underground
>Bigger Than Life

>>3455398
>no wonder the medium is only a couple of decades old
Uh, because of technological limitations?

>>3455415
We watched that in my senior year Italian class.

I loved it. I loved it alot.

>>3457119
The point still stands, though; it's a relatively new and constantly evolving medium. It can't reach near its potential - yet. But there are games that have been showing its possible shine. Give the medium some more time and I think we'll see some great things.

>>3455416
> This pretentious circlejerk has nothing to do with literature.
Can't tell if that's a joke or not.

Un Lac
The General Returns From One Place to Another
Alone. Life Wastes Andy Hardy
Anticipation, Ou L’amour en L’an 2000
Gummo

>>3457231
It's true.

>>3455097
No movie approaches the quality of story-telling of literature

>>3457241
>Un Lac
lel

>>3457249
That's because film is not about story-telling.

>>3457290
That depends on the film.

>>3455352

>Film is a low form of art.

Not at all, friend.

Don't blame the medium for your lack of erudition.

>>3457323
I'm not completely captured by your stance; I feel that film and literature have different means of telling a story and really can't be compared without a sort of subjective-value judgement.

>Days of Heaven
>Ikiru
>Blade Runner
>In the Mood for Love
>Once Upon a Time in America
>Army of Shadows
>Mulholland Drive
>Manhattan
>Stalker
>The Master
>M
>Wild Strawberries

>>3457290
Well it certainly will never approach the informative quality of non-fiction.

Is there anything besides non-fiction and story-telling? Srs answers only

>>3457290
"I am sorry, I am not a storyteller, I am a film maker" - Bela Tarr

>>3457734
>Is there anything besides non-fiction and story-telling? Srs answers only
Fantasy Phonebook.

>>3457734
Listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpTmIeuc

>>3457734
>Alain Robbe-Grillet, an influential theorist as well as writer of the nouveau roman, published a series of essays on the nature and future of the novel which were later collected in Pour un nouveau roman. Rejecting many of the established features of the novel to date, Robbe-Grillet regarded many earlier novelists as old-fashioned in their focus on plot, action, narrative, ideas, and character. Instead, he put forward a theory of the novel as focused on objects: the ideal nouveau roman would be an individual version and vision of things, subordinating plot and character to the details of the world rather than enlisting the world in their service.
Take that story-tellers.

Pretty shitty.

Pretty shitty.

>>3458350
>Stranger Than Paradise

My fucking nigger.

>>3457734
creative non-fiction, but it's not very good. dfw does some of it, like in his science fictional definition of the word 'date'. you've probably run across it before; the stuff isn't hard to find.

>>3458351

Banality is a great source of joy for me.

Did someone here watched 'Temptation of St. Tony'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t_NMqRrc

no

MAN BITES DOG SUCKS DICK

>>3460644
DICK SUCKS
DOG BITES MAN

>>3460644

I hope the man is sucking the dog dick, and that the precum that oozes into his mouth slowly initiates the man's transformation into a loyal bitch ready to rear many litters of pups as his new hormones make her go tail up the moment his new mate finishes in her mouth.

I'm gonna go fap, brb /lit/.

>>3455347
Based Le Samourai

justcameinmypants.jpeg

Salvador Dali's short films
Luis Buñuel
Melville
Kurosawa
Kubrick
The guy that directed Au Hasard Balthazar, can't remember his name at the moment.

I have a liking for directors that have practiced another art, former painters or photographers, stuff like that.

On the other hand I like silly, ridiculous stuff like adam sandler movies too. Gotta balance it out.

>>3461689
Bresson, you fool.

I went on a noir binge and watched 7 film noirs in the last 24 hours: Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, The Killing, Touch of Evil, Double Indemnity, Night of the Hunter and Out of the Past.

I still have 4 more left to go. I don't really want to talk about how good they were because this thread is already too long and such a discussion would spiral. But you can consider me appropriately propagandised by Hollywood at this point. Noir is such an interesting world. They didn't even call them noir, they were just known as melodramas when they were being filmed but because of the way they did things all these elements came together in a way that we now know as noir.

Lastly: Lillian Gish's face is one of overpowering beauty. Damn nigga.

>>3461695
Yes, that's it. It appears that the wine has clouded my mind tonight.

Oslo, August 31st
Reprise
The Royal Tenenbaums
Being Flynn
Beyond The Black Rainbow
Mr. Nobody
Children of Men

Nothing has topped Reprise for me. It's a very /lit/ related Norweigian film about struggling authors. Oslo, August 31st is by the same director but about a heroin addict.

>>3455097
Sebastiane (1976)

>>3458350

>shitty

dog damn nigga, that is a fine collection

>ninth configuration
>paris texas

These are both films I have downloaded and not yet watched, but have still enjoyed the feeling of knowing that I know about such obscure gems of films. commodity fetishism if you will etc i'm a pretentious hipster

nowadays i watch film for good characters, and jodie foster

>>3461723

>and jodie foster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgDdJ2BT0

Enjoy.

The Matador
Stranger Than Fiction
Mr. Nobody
Good Will Hunting

Anybody who seriously uses the word pleb is a fucking moron.

>>3461763

pleb 2 da max

>>3461764

How cute.

>>3461768

Anyone who seriously uses the word cute is a woman or a faggot.

>>3461771

Anybody who seriously uses the word faggot is a latent homosexual or a backdoor cocksucker.

cool thread

>>3461701
Glad to see someone else who likes Oslo, August 31st. It was powerful, and hit a little too close to home. Sort of reminded me of Quentin's chapter from The Sound and The Fury. I'll have to check out Reprise as well.

>>3461706

I'm really bad with deciphering sarcasm in text.

Are you being facetious and calling me a "pretentious hipster" by association?

If not, I would recommend following through and watching both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZCzOeXlM&feature=related

>>3461944

>that self hatred

No, mang. I was calling myself one and trying to praise your collection in the most clusmy non homo way that I could. You have an unshitty bunch of films.

>>3461696
>liking noir
>liking Lillian Gish
I like you, anon.

>>3462036

Gee, thanks, mister.

>>3461696
I miss the days when films stars were actually beautiful.
Pic very related

>>3462084
overtly feminine, you mean?

how's the fedora, champ

I love me some Martha Vickers.

>>3455097
What do we know?
Who know's.

I know Hitchcock was the greatest director of all time though.

>>3462110
>waaah unrealistically good looking why cant I be like that

I wish I knew more about film but I don't. Nothing you haven't really heard of, my favourite film would be A waking life and my favourite directors are Kubrick, Linklater and ocassionally Tarantino (Very hit+miss though).

>>3462135
>unrealistic

XD

>>3462133
But that's not even close to the truth.

>>3462179
Obviously, this is a subjective thing.. My best is someone elses worst.

But i look at it like this, his first few films were silent and even those were extremely watchable. His first movie was 1927, his last was the 80's i think, so from an experience standpoint, the man has surely fulfilled the 10,000 hours needed to become a master at his art.

Beyond the argument from experience, he revolutionized the entire film industry.. We wouldn't have alot of the techniques you see in TV today that lend suspense to the production.

The man was truly great. He had both quantity, and quality. I would say that Kubrick is equally as great, although he hadn't directed as many as i would have hoped he had..

>>3462187
>Kubrick

That film I watched yesterday "The Killing" was one of Kubrick's earliest and I was surprised to find it was pretty much the plot of Resevoir Dogs that Tarantino stole for his film. Kubrick was godlike in scope.

>Wes Anderson
>Tarantino (Pulp Fiction is overrated though)
>Coen Brothers, great direction but their comedy >>>>>>>> drama
>Woody Allen is always amusing
>Studio Ghibli films
>East of Eden
>Shaun of the Dead/ Hot Fuzz
>Amadeus
>Mary Poppins
>Sound of Music
>Chicago
>Nine (hate on me all you want)
>Singing in the Rain
>Wizard of Oz
>West Side Story
>Amelie
>The Pianist
>La Vie en Rose
>The Rocky Horror Picture Show
>Victor/ Victoria
>Brokeback Mountain

Guilty feelings:
-The only Kubrick I loved was "A Clockwork Orange". All his other films were beautifully directed but I found the scripts not as good (especially Shining and Eyes Wide Shut).
-Never watched a Fellini, Bergman and Hitchcock.
-Films > 2hours are usually a turn-off.
-Can't stand sci-fi, action or cry fests.

nice 'patrician' taste in film /lit/ (that's sarcasm)

-love /mu/

>>3462233
pleb

Also watch the seventh seal.
You seem like a guy who doesn't like black and white films but the sevenths seal is really modern

>>3462286

>/mu/
>taste

Don't you have some Autechre album to be pretending to listen to right about now?

>>3462336
I don't mind black and white/ old films.
That's a Bergman, right? I'll watch it soon.

>>3460962

>>3455862
So, enjoying Lynch and Cronenberg is acceptable, but not Tarkovsky - merely because he is taught in film school?

itt pseudo intellectual hipsters.

>>3462918

On this board: 14 year olds.

As a "text", I think Mulholland Dr. is the best film ever. As a pure experience, Enter The Void is the best.

>>3461696
>>3462036
but she doesn't like Lilian Gish at all, thats somebody else
I don't know who

Also anyone who likes noir should try german expressionism.

>>>3455862

Cronenberg with hundred movies won't reach Herzog with one Strozek or Woycek you piece of imbecile !

plebs

plebs everywhere

So, have you seen all of them?

>>3463154
That image is pleb as fuck. It's entry level all the way down to level 4.

>>3463154
So Fincher is below the Wachowskis?

>>3463176

shit man i've been all buy one from the entry level list, not a single from the mid-level

i could just torrent them all now but i know they're just going to sit on my hard drive, too busy watching shit these days to put the effort into investing time for high brow cinema

>>3463154
>still posting this idiotic picture

Not only does it use a horribly vague term as its means of measurement, it has many glaring errors.

Delete it from your TI-calculator.

>>3463176
L'ange is one of my favorite movies; but, I haven't seen most of those.

Also, Three Colors: Blue, I think, isn't the best of the trio. I prefer White, or even Red.

>>3455097
Reservior Dogs is basically a play, and one of the best recent examples of believable, casual dialogue

>>3457734
>has never watched a documentary

>>3463255
So many Tarantino plebs in this thread.

>>3463278
>Tarantino is a pleb xD look at my EDGY xD

>>3463176
A strangely large amount for never having seen the list before. I like to watch movies based off of books, and several of those are. Aelita, Valerie and Her Week of Wonders, Blind Beast, Woman in the Dunes, Ashes of Time, etc,

>>3463303
Does that make you feel better about yourself and your plebeian commoner taste?

>>3463333
Nah but you do

>>3463359
I know you are but what am I?

>>3463362
A garbage man

>>3463362
A pretentious fuckwit. That's why I'm pleased to distance myself from you.

>>3463176
I've seen most, but not all. I have some of the ones I haven't seen in my hard drive, might watch some today. Visitor of a Museum looks great.

>>3463379
umad?

>>3463384
I don't think this post was meant for me.

>>3463394
Yeah, he mad.

>>3455188
>can contain every imaginable form of art
>stupid
This thread in general is cringeworthy.

>>3463394
yusomadthough?

>>3463400
It's a jack of all trades and will never compare to a dedicated art form. Your stupidity is cringe worthy.

>>3463406
How is it Jack of all trades? If you really think film is "stupid", I think you would do the world a big favor if you don't breed. Seriously.

>>3463416
>can contain every imaginable form of art
They butcher every imaginable art form and scrunch it into small time frames.

>>3463423
You're an idiot. Go watch Oldboy and you'll cry like a little girl. Then try to repeat all the dumb shit you just said.

>>3463430
>causes emotion
it must be good hurr fucking durr
It will never have the impact of a good novel, painting, or composition.

>>3463434
Why not? You just spit stupid shit and never bother to back it up.
Good God... You're a special one aren't you? Go get laid or something.

>>3463434

I disagree, although the dude you're talking to is a retard for suggesting Oldboy. Watch like Zerkalo or Birth of a Nation or something

>>3463446
I'm the dude and I suggested Oldboy because it's a very good movie in every aspect, especially music. I chose it to back up my claim a film can be good in every aspect.

>>3463446
I know that there are good movies but they will never compare to the best of other art forms.

>>3463445
Form factor.

>>3463458
What do you mean by "form factor"? English is not my first language.

>>3463434
>It will never have the impact of a good novel, painting, or composition.

HAHAHAHA

>>3463458

I doubt you will change your mind on this point, but I do believe that Zerkalo is among the greatest artistic achievements of man and I don't think that limited time is a point against a work.

>>3463472
Stalker is better.

>>3463465
The way a film is presented prevents it from grasping attributes of dedicated art forms and using them to the extent that those art forms do the same goes for other undedicated art forms like video games.

>>3463468
I'm sorry that you're too stupid to grasp everything dedicated art forms offer and think undedicated art forms can even begin to compare.

>>3457013
All I meant to do was reveal the stupidity of rating two large fields of cinema with abstract and very subjective boundaries coming from 2 very different sources of influences and very different background and culture against each other and expect the statement to mean anything at all.

It's very different then saying it's a beautiful day. The only thing sincerely in question is what you consider beautiful.

I doubt he could even make a clear distinction between what he considers Western and Japanese cinema let alone compare the two qualitatively.

>>3457337
Erudition implies literature, I hope that was meant to be sly irony, but your point applies to >>3457189 who clearly is unaware what the art world has being doing with interactive games for decades.

>>3462915
I didn't say you can't like Tarkovsky, but the taste isn't good, it's a curriculum taught standard. It's just as ingenuine as the highschooler raised on mass media, the only thing making it "better" is that there's another level of exposure.

Like this guy:
>>3463147
Absolutely worthless taste. How can you compare the two?

>>3463488
Okay, so what aspects of a movie are always so much worse than their respective artforms? I'll only give you literature because film can't convey it completely.

>>3463494
Music for one. A piece of music used in a film or video game will never compare to a complex standalone composition that is written for itself and not a specific scene/area. Whilst visual arts like painting and drawing or sculpting can be presented in film they generally amount to props and are only shown for a small period of time.

>>3463515
>will never compare to a complex standalone composition

What do you consider "good" music?

Is it "classical" music because you can see people more intelligent and cultured than you tend to respect it?
What do you have to say about, for example, soundscape works playing off acoustics? You know, let's set the example in a fancy museum who probably knows what's up, maybe make it too artsy for you, a microphone projecting the sound of a waterbottle getting crushed by a travel suitcase (comment on globalization?).
Oh my bad, is it not art anymore because of postmodern influence :(

You're a faggot.

>>3463541
And the point is, stop trying to define and categorize what art is and what it should be, especially when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about or trying to ignore the past century of modernism breaking down you trying to define it.

A piece composed for a film is a different piece than one composed for an orchestra.
You've arbitraly declared the orchestra composition better and are using that to decide the the film score worse for not being the same or made with the same function or for the same audience. They are different things and high-class respected composers (even ones labeled things like "avant-garde" to show they're twice as 'artistic') have used visuals in their compositions, and also these have been accepted by academia.

>>3463541
This is too stupid to reply seriously to.

>>3463515
Oh really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hOnIuvbg

>>3463515
And what about photography? A film is literally made of thousands of photographs. Or will you give me that shit about how 'photography is not art'?

>>3463563
Stay uneducated, faggot. No one involved in this high art shit you've put on a pedestal operates on any of these misinformed backwards views.
Oldboy and Twin Peaks are the only points that would mesh with your stupidity. If you can't tell, you've pissed me off. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and neither do the retards you're arguing with >>3463578 .

>>3463591

>>3463591
Twin peaks ahahahahaha.

>>3463578
Photography is art and so far as film goes quality over quantity.

>>3463598
My bad, you've dug deeper. You like the Lynch side, huh? You didn't find FWWM weird but it was actually what you liked about Twin Peaks, unlike everyone else who didn't even GET it. Not just that, but you've even looked up Badalini on wikipedia. And you're just in highschool, I really am proud.

>>3463601
Well that's the way it has to be, of course. Not every shot can be a work of art, but for example, Tarkovsky is a masterful photographer when time comes to be one.

>>3463608
Holy shit. Please ask your parents to permanently ban you from the internet.

>>3463611
I'm sorry. I've been pissed all morning. I really am sorry. I love twin peaks and david lynch and the ost. Nicolas Jaar has a mix on soundcloud (http://soundcloud.com/everybodywastobethedj/nicolas-jaar-essentialix-05)) that starts with an interview with Angelo, it's really great.

Also there's this song
http://soundcloud.com/friendsrecor/sets/jason-urick-co-la-show-me/
chopping up the jazz tune for agent cooper

I'm sorry

>>3463591
>there are no artist with elitist point of view

is this retarded for real?

YOU ask ME, if I have a cinema knowledge, you stinkin nigger? well I happen to know and like the best movie tittles.

what about fight club. oh right, that's more of a book, well then

8 1/2 Fahrenheit. wait, Lord of the rings!....no no I mean Sophies choice. Bladerunner? The Duelists? Lolita? shit...ah that's right, Harry potter.

>because /lit/ don't look down on others forms of art.

WHAT THE FUCK ALL OF YOU NIGGERS MAKE LYNCHIANS LOOK LIKE FUCKING TWATS

>>3455438
>>3455426

Have you ever watch any other film from Bela Tarr?

>>3463759
What the fuck is this?

>>3455611
That screen is from The Sword of Doom. None of those on the list.

>>3455862
more please

>>3455722
Kubrick is anything but entry level. Read a film analysis about any of his movies. Wheels within wheels.

>>3464338
Thing is, he's very popular, people easily namedrop him, and his movies, while they do have "Wheels within wheels", it's easy to get into them, watch them, and at least understand the plot without all those "inner wheels". However, this doesn't make him a bad director. Not at all. He's just entry level.

>>3463493
That is utterly unfair. Who's to say a person who appreciates Tarkovsky had to learn about him in film school? How could you possibly judge it as ingenuine without evaluating all cases separately?