/lit/ - Literature

Inb4: David Foster Wallace, Tao lin, GRRM, James Joyce, Ayn Rand, or Stephanie Meyer.

Troll Harder.
0/10

John Fante
Allan Weisbecker
Raymond Carver

Laurie Penny

>>3655491

Fante. Just finished Ask the Dust. I am fine with him not being mentioned here often.

Joe R. Lansdale

>>3655519
Really? ATD is one of my top 10 books. What didn't you like about it?

>>3655532
Maybe he doesn't want other people to discover him.

Kung Lao

>>3655532

I didn't dislike it. I just thought that it is overrated, maybe because of Bukowski's love for it. I found it too linear and lacking that "sparkle" which good, imaginative plots usually give.

Didn't you feel a certain downbeat about it?

Lao Tin

Curzio Malaparte
Umberto Eco
Ambrose Bierce

Jim Lotz

>>3655477

>>3655531
Agreed.

Erlend Loe. There isn't much to discuss about him because of his unsubtle style, but I thought he would have a bigger following in these circles.

does it matter?
dorris lessing or augustin
i'm sure they don't care
for a dollar I fare
over waters, over sea
Thing is: making bread, needs batter.

Poets aren't discussed enough over here as a whole. playwrights also to some extent. Let's partially hijack the thread: which poets or playwright would you like to see mentionned on /lit more often ? For me, anything from the Renaissance period will be fine. I know so little about it.

>>3655624
Poets seem to be an on and off thing here. I think other poets and their poetry might be too "personal" to people here to have good threads about. So you mostly get "What do you think of my poetry?" rather then "How do you feel about Blake's A Poison Tree?"

Gene Wolfe, despite being called the greatest living sci-fi writer

there's nothing except troll posts about shakespeare

no one really talks about delillo

and no one ever mentions isherwood

Thomas Wolfe
Hermann Ungar
Rex Warner
Fernando Pessoa

To name a few.

>>3655702
I remember many Fernando Pessoa threads many months ago. Somehow his "Book of Disquiet" became really popular here.
When I finally read it the threads were gone.

>>3655659
Interestingly enough, we're currently having a french poetry thread an it's great. It is part collaborative translation, part advice and critics on OP's poems and part references to some school of French poetry. But I guess that thread examplifies how poets are only dealt with tangentially on /lit.

>>3655562
>Umberto Eco,
especially his other stuff, I understand the love /lit has for Focault's Pendulum and the name of the rose, but it's almost like his other stuff doesn't exist sometimes.

Alasdair Grey.

>>3655659
Poetry's hard to get into, especially with the backlash against all the bad poetry. And I've seen some really bad poetry.
Maybe there should be a new list made up, a recommendation image for some of the more accessible poetry.

Robert Walser
Joseph McElroy (new novel coming out June)
Paul Blackburn
Frank Stanford
John Barth


<3

>>3655682
And Shakespeare's comedies get the shaft,
Brilliant character studies from one of the greatest writers of all time, but they don't all end in a bloodbath so they get passed over for Romeo and Juliet.

Does that piss anyone else off or is it just me?

>>3655963
I find /lit's sticky to be a bit lacking in the poetry section (though still rather decent). There's too much focus on (english and american) nineteenth and post-nineteenth century. We should add some older guys, some italians, spanish and south americans, some arabs and persians too. And heck, even Germans deserve a little place there.

Carlos Fuentes
Hubert Selby Jr.
Henry James.
Shao Kahn
Flann O'Brien.

>>3655989

I agree with all except Fuentes. Fuentes is well where he is: a failed politician who wrote everything with awards and climbing up the ladder in mind.

>>3655978
It is indeed a pity that comedy aren't more often regarded as what they: a form of art accomplishment that rivals tragedy in every possible way. The greatness of Shakespeare is that he is a very enlightening comedian as well as a deep tragedian.

don delillo and william gaddis and samuel beckett

>>3655988

>recommending poetry in translation

9/10 I pissed myself a bit.

>>3655998
I never mentioned translation. The point is to recomend a work of poetry in a way that make you want to learn another language just to be able to read it. Plus there are plenty of multilinguals speakers on /lit. Double plus some of the languages mentioned in my previous post are close to one another so if a /litfag can read one of them he should arguably be able to appreciate to some extent the works written in another. For instance, I heard that old italian poetry is not so obscure to french readers due to similarities between those languages.

Katherine Fucking Mansfield

>>3655998
>recommending poetry in translation

why on earth is this a bad thing?

>>3656031

>women authors

The occasional namedropping in the "women writers totally don't suck threads now let me list a ton of mediocre women" threads is more than enough.

>>3656046
does KM get mentioned here much? i haven't seen her here much

Bret Easton Ellis

Paul Sheldon

Rabelais
Laurence Sterne
William Blake
Virginia Woolf
God

>>3656044

Because translation in itself is a taboo word, that and a lot of what makes poetry so special is the sounds and usage of words. I'm all for having a translated poem side by side with the original, especially if its nigh impossible for someone without any skill with a language to pronounce it.

Mervyn Peake. I'm the only guy who ever posts about Mervyn Peake. Maybe there's another guy who posts while I'm asleep but if so I haven't noticed.

Jane Smiley
John Fowles
Will Self
Joyce Carol Oates
Sinclair Lewis
Nathanael West

Jim Dodge.

I think /lit/ might like Stone Junction and Not Fade Away. Pynchon even did the introduction for Stone Junction.

I've seen lots of Nietzsche threads, Stirner, Camus, existentialism in general, but no mention of Jaspers. IMO he's superior to all those people.

I have only gone on lit like three time so how the fuck should I know?

Bukowski
Vonnegut
Hess

Those are writers I like, so they should be mentioned more regardless of how often they are already mentioned.

>>3656111
What does /lit think about his books (that aren't Amer. Psycho)?

>>3656150
We hear far too much about Bukowski and Vonnegut already. They are writers beloved by young males, so I guess it makes sense.

>>3656150
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh plz go away

>>3656139
This is entirely dependent on the poem. Plenty of poetry is about powerful rhetoric, not the intricacy of sound. This is a strong point about lyric poetry and more generally lyricism, but this as a rule is just ridiculous, denying the expression and communication of ideas because of something as simple as a language barrier is absurd.

Jeanette Winterson. The Passion is excellent.

>>3656156
>>3656155
I knew a few snobs would get uppity about my choices. I didn't care!

>>3656169
you're the uppity one here, pleb.

>>3656162
did you like sexing the cherry

>>3656179
Well, I was right about one thing. You are a snob. Good luck writing off the vast majority of the Earth's population because they have less money than your parents. To assume one has less to contribute because of their social class is disgusting.

>>3656153
decent
In the 80s he was a part of the so-called "Brat Pack."
So very avant-garde, if you will

>>3656205
>>3656179
Look at the sissy rich boys pretend to be intellectual by saying things like "pleb" and "if you will." Do you really hate Bukowski because of his writing or is it because he could kick your ass?

>>3656195
lmao you are new here aren't you? do you think rich people still use roman class ranks?

>>3656213
Bukowski is kind of a shit writer, though.

>>3656213
>not knowing vonnegut was the pleb author

go attention whore somewhere else

>>3656216
Look who's all uppity now. Congratulations on allowing me to troll you and ruin your thread.

>>3656169
I also once thought Vonnegut and Bukowski were the bee's knees.

As time goes on, though, I'm finding they're Palahniuks - the books seem great when you're young, but the appeal fades as you get older.

>>3656220
Vonnegut's okay. He doesn't look as large with the passing of time as he once did, I think, but he still has a certain appeal and a certain enjoyment. It's less a question of appeal as of stature and importance and... proportion, I suppose.

>>3656223
oh yeah

you got me good

>>3656221
"pleb" short for plebian: meaning of the common folk. Bukowski was definately a pleb. That is why none of the established higher class University types will recognize that regardless of his ability with language he was a great story teller.

>>3656241
Haven't you ever heard the saying, "don't feed the trolls?" Simply by responding again you have shown that I got to you, enough that you felt the need to make a comeback.

>>3656243
yawn. pleb doesn't mean the same thing in /lit/-/mu/. bukowski wasn't a pleb, he got rich, is widely studied in academia, and his style is/was very much appreciated.

please get a clue before posting.

>>3655477
>new simpsons

>>3656245
yes, as i said, i am very trolled.

>>3655958
Yes. I just read 1982, Janine and Lanark and they were fantastic. I feel like most people on /lit/ would love Alasdair Gray. Pic related, he does the illustrations for his books.

>>3656248
Impossible, it was cancelled in the late 90s.

>>3656256
if you like gray try louis aragon

>>3656247
>implying it matters what you think something means within your little clubhouse context.

*yawn I'm going to play the little bored intellectual kitty cat lit snob. you're all posturing dude. i see through it because i don't live in your imaginary world with you or play by the rules you've conjured up in your own little matrix.

>>3656250
Booyah! Suck on that!

>>3656261
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=pleb

>>3656261
nice deflecting. lurk more.

>>3656261
The misuse of "patrician"/"pleb" on 4chan is stupid, and /mu/ should answer for it. That said, did you just arrive here today? It's a plague that spread long ago.

>>3656260
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll try him out.

>>3656271
>>3656270
All of your little defenses don't change the fact that you allowed me to derail your thread and am now wasting your time on a pointless battle when you wanted to be discussing various writers with people whom you enjoy interacting with. Instead you've wasted all of your time and energy on me. Was it worth it?

>>3656279
>Master Rooseman

Robert B Parker,
It'd be one thing if /lit was staying away from the pulp tier detective stories, but I've seen James Patterson and Janet Evanovich threads before, so as long as we're going there, The Spenser novels deserve at least a mention

>>3656279
>All of your little defenses

i see you've chosen to abandon your idiotic argument entirely, good.

>the fact that you allowed me to derail your thread

not my thread

>pointless

making you look like an idiot is good enough for me.

>when you wanted to be discussing various writers

my first and only post in this thread was me telling you to leave /lit/

>>3656279
Also, no one is going to enjoy your writing, if you write when you are using put on language from another century in order to try to sound intelligent.

>>3656279
Ahem...
(OP: here)
You haven't been arguing with me, and you haven't derailed the thread.

I'm still here and still discussing authors. I just haven't stepped in yet because I don't think I have to. There's little that can be done to stop this sort of thing once it gets going,

>>3656281
Parker turns to crap after the first few Spenser books though. There are better detective writers from that generation: James Crumley, Charles Willeford and Lawrence Block, for example.

>>3656282
Suck on my penis.

>>3656289
you substituting dick with penis completely negates the insult

>>3656290
My cock is still in your mouth no matter how you try to paint the picture.

Asimov doesn't really get discussed to much here, He's well known, but there's not a lot to talk about,
I kind of feel like it's that way for a couple of writers on /lit. Almost as if they go without saying.

James Salter

>>3656287
True. I just meant if even James Patterson is getting threads, Spenser deserves one once in a while.

>>3655562
Bierce writes very well, but I've only read one thing by him [A Horseman in the Sky] so I can't really discuss him as an author. Based on that one, I'd definitely recommend him, though.

>>3655515
Laurie Penny or Azula from Last Airbender, You decide.

>>3656140

There's no writer I like more. Often when I'm feeling depressed I'll get lost in the Gormenghast books.

I wonder what /lit thinks of Zane Grey, there sure is enough of his stuff in the library, I haven't read through any of his stuff yet, but he sure seems prolific.

Ralph Steadman, he's the cartoonist who made the cover for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and books by Kurt V.

He's written a novel which I really liked. It's called Doodaaa.

>>3656294
I read A Sport and a Pastime and hated it, is there a better one by him to read?

>>3656303
Haven't gotten there in my backlog, but you're making me feel very good about my Gormenghast purchase.
I may even bump it forward a few spots.

>>3656307

Yeah. I preferred Light Years (though the story is a little cliche) and The Hunters. His short stories aren't bad either.

>>3656315
Okay, I'll give one of those a try. I've heard a lot of good things about Salter, and I wouldn't want to write that off after reading only one book by him.

>>3656141
>John Fowles
This.

>>3656308

You won't regret it. It's very slow-paced but his prose style, the characters, and the descriptions will keep you entranced. I've never read anything like it.

>>3655676
What this guy said. Book of the new sun is incomparable, the long sun is pretty good too. He gets brought up in sci-fi/fantasy threads every now and then, but I don't think enough people see him after seeing his name dropped in them.

Fritz Leiber

>>3655989
What's a real good Henry James novel?

>>3656318
>implying
>go back to /mu/

Dezso Kosztolanyi. Skylark should've been front and center on the depressing /lit/ chart, not tacked on by that shitty exit level one.

Soseki, Can Xue, Böll, Stendhal, Turgenev, Pu Songling, Dos Passos, Lowry

Tom Robbins

>>3656407
Please no. There's only so much saccharine forced-quirkiness my system can take.

>>3656402
+ Sherwood Anderson

Sergio De La Pava

Patrick White

John Steinbeck
Dezso Kosztolanyi
Alfred Doblin
W. Somerset Maugham
Gunter Grass
Sherwood Anderson
Pre-19th century classics.

Ben Okri.

His book The Famished Road, is really good.

>>3656501
So, uh, The Famished Road. Is that a sequel? To the one that was a film about the end of the world, The Road? Because they were hungry enough in that.

>>3656487
>John Steinnback
You can chill with me anyime

>>3656141
>Sinclair Lewis

This is the one and only writer I'd say /lit/ doesn't talk enough about.

>>3656517
Well the famished road came out in the 90's, so no.

You murriccans are all retarded.

irvine welsh. everyone go read trainspotting right now.

>>3656598
>murriccans
>>>/int/

Jack Vance!

Cynthia Ozick, the dopest living American fiction writer

There's a few good suggestions like:
>>3656501
but a lot of this thread is people going on about authors that get discussed/mentioned regularly here, and should really just be making new threads rather than complaining.

As for me, Alexander Trocchi.

harlan ellison
dude never gets recognition
also JG Ballard

Donald Westlake and Cornell Woolrich

Scandinavian writers in general.
Well, except for Kierkegaard. Knut Hamsun and Strindberg get thrown around a tiny bit, too, and I guess it's because most Scandinavian writers don't get translated, but that shit's still an unopened treasure trove.

Pasternak and Pushkin.

We see Dostoevsky and Tolstoy getting mentioned here a lot, but sometimes it seems that those are the only russian writers /lit/ knows..

>>3656130
>God
there is a quran thread every now and then so don't complain

>>3656487
>Sherwood Anderson
is there anything good of him,except winesburg?

Robert Musil
never seen people talking about him here

>>3655676
Him and Borges.

Richard Price.

>His prose is beautiful, and no one reads him.

inafter pleb authors

Tao Lin doesn't get nearly enough credit as he deserves. He is the Kafka of the internet after all

>>3658155

the man without qualities is great

i've seen it brought up a few times on lit tbf

Theodor Fontane

>>3655477

ANTHONY BURGESS. There is a book of him that I truly wanted to discuss, but nobody answerd to the thread that I made. The book is NOTHING LIKE THE SUN.

Thomas Hardy

Dickens and O'Neil aren't discussed as much as I would like.

Thomas Mann
Death in Venice is one of the best novellas I've ever read and I can't wait to read more of his stuff.

>>3658377
>Dickens
Not even once

>>3655477
Gide

Gerard Reve

Glen Cook

>>3659436
>04:45
>le nooit meer slapen gezicht.jpeg

>>3655532
I read that when I was like sixteen after reading that it was he was one of Bukowski's few faves and was underwhelmed. also I don't really respect Bukowski as much now that I'm not a sexually frustrated 15 yr old

Saul Bellow

>>3658300
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

>>3658253
dude Borges is mentioned all the time, although I have noticed a drop off in the last few weeks now that you mention it.

>>3655477

Philip Roth

>>3656407
i think he's mentioned quite enough actually.

>>3659513
Sounds like you still are 16. Wait until you are old enough to relate to the books, then try reading them again. For now, go back to watching my sweet 16 -- it seems more your pace.

>>3655477

John Irving

>>3655477

David Sedaris

>>3656305
I've heard he's good if yr into origins but Louis L'Amour is better genre wise.

my dad likes Louis a lot

>>3656248
i know. it sucks. I always check what year a rerun was made with the info button before watching

>>3659513
>bukowski
>sexual frustration
I don't get it. I thought it was about drinking.

>>3655624
Gregory Motton. Wrote a funny play about capitalism. Pygmee something.

Roberto Arlt

heinrich von kleist
nathanael west
danilo kis
isaac babel
georges simenon
patricia highsmith
raymond queneau

eh. maybe it's for the best.

Modern and contemporary poetry in general. I think a big problem with this though is that it's hard to discuss apart from in very subjective terms. In any case:

John Ashbery
J.H. Prynne
Keston Sutherland
John Berryman (gets mentioned here and there, but hard to have a substantiail discussion)

Gadamer, Heidegger, Dussel, Ost, Baudrillard, Dilthey, Montaigne, Habermas, Machado de Assis, Carlos Drummond de Andrade, João Cabral de Melo Neto

>>3656521
Not the guy, but i loved a Russian journal

John Milton

>>3656317
Salter just got a big write up in the latest New Yorker. News you can use.

ted chiang

>Everyone posts
>Nobody cares

James Clavell

Clarice Lispector.

>>3661109
Yep, Kleist
Also Barthelme
Graham Greene
Roth
Saul Bellow

William Styron

>John Fowles,
though 'The Magus' is regularly featured in 'favourite novel' threads it doesn't seem to go much further than that.

>Delmore Schwartz,
or, in fact, early twentieth century poetry in general. I can't recall ever having seen Ezra Pound discussed at length.

>Richard Yates,
who I first became aware of through /lit/, but whose proponents seem to have vanished.

>Robert Browning,
another great poet who has, as far as I recollect, been completely neglected while I've been here.

Also,

>F. Scott Fitzgerald
(But not Gatsby)

>Joseph Conrad
(But not Heart of Darkness)

>Travel writing in general
(Stevenson, Paul Theroux, etc.)

>Stendhal, Walter Scott, Thomas Hardy, Allen Ginsberg, Wyndham-Lewis, Percy Bysshe Shelley, Robert Burns, John Donne, Phillip Marlowe, Goethe, Balzac, Zola, Grossman, E.M. Foster, D.H. Lawrence, and many more great writers besides.

In fact, it's really just

>Joyce
>Foster Wallace
>Rand
>Tao Lin
>Fantasy

>>3663110

>Writers you feel don't get mentioned on /lit/ often enough.

>F. Scott Fitzgerald

fucking come on you are serious with this shit

David Mitchell
Carol Shields
Barbara Kingsolver
Octavia Butler

>>3663133
He means that Fitz's other works don't get discussed,
There's a lot of them like that, it could be a whole thread just in itself, Writers whose other works are overshadowed.

>>3663060
I care, I've been taking down names to research.

bump for more recommendations

>>3663167
Eh, Tender Is The Night gets namedropped from time to time.

Carson McCullers
Louise Erdrich
Grace Paley
Shit, every female author ever
James Purdy
Early Ian McEwan
Donald Barthelme
>>3663110
^ Is right about conrad
Coetzee
And, oddly, Steinbeck and Roth don't get proportionate discussion to their significance

>>3665284
Also, with so much discussion devoted to second-rate analysis of the postmodern behemoths, I feel like there should be more Gaddis

Aldous Huxley

Brave New World is the only one ever discussed here

John Dos Passos. Gonna start 42nd Parallel soon and I just finished Three Soldiers, which was pretty fucking sweet

Wiltold Gombrowicz
Alasdair Gray
Thomas Bernhard
Hernri Barbusse

all of them

>>3656243
Established higher class University type here.
Will promise to recognize Bukowski as soon as "great story tellers" becomes the topic of a lecture.

I even like Bukowski, dude. He just ain't particularly groundbreaking in any way.