/lit/ - Literature

Why go into the wild when you can just stay in your parents' basement?

>>3762153

Nice book. Nice movie.

Pretty dangerous to take it as a life guide.

Build your own path. At least have that decency.

watch "alone in the wilderness" to see it done right.

why not stay within "civilization" and just go for a nice walk once in a while?

>>3762169
unabomber

>>3762161
thats what i'm doing

>>3762161
This.

Sometimes I just unplug my internet router for a few days and enjoy being completely isolated from society.

>>3762161

A man can dream ;_;

Here is the deal. Nature does not allow one single mistake. Good luck getting killed. You've been reliant and entitled in the absolute nicest and generous state of existence, as far as we know it, I'm sure you'll make it in the most hostile environment where man can exist, where even the most experienced often succumb to error and die.

>>3762153

>>>/out/

Seriously, you'll have much better luck over there. They glorify those men who made it in the wild and could spot you a number of great books and men to look into.

They even have their own resident 'off-the-grid' guy who just packed up and left and posts every now and again.

>>3762243
Yeah but if things ever get too bad you can always come back to civilization. Plus there are plenty of worse way to die within civilization, or even worse, coming near death only to be saved just in time to live as a paraplegic or in a vegetative state. Fear of death should never keep someone from doing something that they really want to do.

>>3762153
This whole removing yourself from society is mostly a middle class fantasy that is more symbolic and romantic than anything else. It lacks nuance and realism though. As far as I know there are no people actually successfully leaving civilisation behind. This would imply returning to the stone age in no man's land. Succesfully. Even the greatest survival experts don't attempt this for any length of time since, especially when you're completely alone, it's basically suicide.

Why not just attempt to remove the aspects of society that you dislike from your life and keep the aspects that you do like? It's probably more rewarding since, well, it can actually be achieved.

>>3762245
>>>/diy/ is a decent place for this as well. There's some guy who bought a surplus bunker and it renovating it. They take the professional approach though, doing everything the perfectly legal way. I've never been on /out/ so I'm not sure. To it seems like having to buy a plot of land out in the woods to build a cabin seems ridiculous, especially when some company can forcefully buy it off of you the minute they want to build a warehouse or server housing space.

>>3762243
>>Nature does not allow one single mistake.

It does. You were born and are still breathing, aren't you?

>>3762231
Staged as fuark.

>>3762265
Nice justification for being a professional 40 hours a week Russian roulette player, friend.

>>3762290
I wouldn't want to do that though, so it's a pointless example. If someone can only get the rush they desire from playing Russian roulette, then so be it.

>>3762245
>>3762285
Visiting these places is a good idea, OP, since they actually discuss a certain realistic degree of self-sufficiency. Actual independence from society is mostly a myth though. If only for the reason that there is no unowned land. And the fact that there are already dozens if not hundreds if people involved in your survival as soon as you buy a single knife.

>>3762282
The reason you don't hear about them is because they're seriously far removed. There was that one guy who somebody heard about and went to interview him, and he said in the 29 or something years he had been living in the woods, he had only spoken to a single hiker that came across his cabin, and not a single other person besides that.

It's not really about running away, it's about the desire to run away

>>3762297
It would be a way to make money, which some people really want to do. My point is that not calculating risks in your endeavours is silly since you can't very well do what you want if you do not exist. Actually dropping out of society has about the same mortality rates as Russian roulette for most people.

>>3762285
>forcefully buy it off
Lol. What country are we talking about here?

>>3762308
Sounds interesting. Being removed for so long would probably involve the guy mining and smelting iron or using merely stone and wooden tools though. Have a link or something to the interview?

>>3762282
>This whole removing yourself from society is mostly a middle class fantasy

Naturally... What other class has the time and luxury to muse such things?

The poor simply cannot entertain such fanciful notions having their plates full just trying to scrape by in society as it is, and the rich have no need nor desire to get away as their every whim and hedonistic pleasure is catered for already.

The middle-class has no immediate suffering or obligation, a safety blanket, and a life which is built on staring upward towards the richer members of society dreaming of what could be if they work hard enough, and being tortured by what could be by looking down at the hard of luck, lesser fortunates beneath them.

To choose a third path, one of escape, is a natural decision then when one is not subject to nor interested in materialism and tires of the boring monotony and safety they live in no matter how naive their escapist fantasies are.

>>3762327
>http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/10/maine-hermit-busted-after-27-years-of-hiding-stealing

He stole food from campsites. He was an urban legend for a while before he caught and confirmed. I don't know about all his other needs though.

>>3762317
They do it all the time. If they declare it condemned, they can buy it off you.

>>3762338
>>I don't know about all his other needs though.

Psychiatric care, mostly. His brain was pulp, which is clearly demonstrated by his taste in radio shows, e.g. Rush Limbaugh.

>>3762359
I know. I was disappointed that he wasn't well-read or scholarly. I guess it's good that he was completed isolated so nobody had to deal with him.

>>3762306

>if not hundreds if people involved in your survival as soon as you buy a single knife.

'No man is an island' I agree with you there but I think when people say they want out stems more so from a desire to escape 'society as it is' than it is from your fellow man.

Why else are apocalyptic scenarios so attractive? It breaks that monotony and introduces a thrilling element of suspense to ones life but even in such narratives or day dreams people seek companionship.

I think people as individuals just want to redefine their relationship and independence to society where society at present doesn't really allow this. It's too impartial, to overbearing, and ignores the human aspect - that it's the sum of human individuals and should exist to for the betterment of the individual and not for the society foremost.

>>3762153
>peripatetics
The word does not mean what you think it means.

>>3762245
>go to out for the first time ever
>see this thread >>>/out/115142

So long /lit/. It's time I moved on.

>>3762338
>He stole food from campsites
Lel, that's not removing yourself from society, that's just being a stealthy reclusive leech. He might as well go on disability and have his groceries delivered.

>>3762424
>that OP

I'm howling with joy

>>3762454
Stealing in and of itself is a way of rejecting societies approved methods of attainment.

>>3762375
I very much understand and appreciate the sentiment. I just think people would be better off looking to Thoreau than to McCandless. His approach or something like it seems to address the needs that you mention without becoming unrealistic.

>>3762473

You should read a bit about tax law, anon.

>>3762473
I thought dropping out of society referred to not being dependant on it. If merely being a criminal counts it should be quite easy.

>>3762490
Being a retreatist only means you reject societal approved goals and societal approved methods of attaining goals. That's what I consider dropping out at least.

>>3762407
per·i·pa·tet·ic
/ˌperipəˈtetik/Adjective
Traveling from place to place, esp. working or based in various places for relatively short periods.


Noun
A person who travels from place to place.
so what do you think it means?

>>3762499
So an urban NEET who exploits the welfare system to fart around as he pleases counts as well? Pretty cool.

>>3762502
He probably meant the Aristotelean sense of the word. Lit gonna lit.

>>3762516
Anything counts as long as you're following your dreams.

Society, you're a crazy breed

I hope you're not lonely without me

>>3762717
nope, tnx, bye

>>3762288
#rekt

But seriously, chortled heavily

t-thanks chrome

>>3762309
>angst

I'm going to assume it's the people you don't like. If that's so, just find a more rural area to live in. If you're willing to work hard enough to survive outside of civilization, finding the means to live in a small town shouldn't be an issue. It's fine to romanticize about living in the wild, but to actually do it is another thing entirely. I can guarantee it won't be nearly as glorious as it seems in your imagination. It would be arduous and oftentimes scary. Even the early hunters and gatherers stayed together in groups. Humans don't fare well on their own in the wilderness.

>>3762375
>apocalyptic scenarios so attractive
only if you're 15

>>3762231
no
nonooo!

>>3762333
I have never heard it put so succinctly and elegantly.

>>3762761
I chortled
What app is that?

Um, no.

No matter how prodigious mainstream society is at generating things I hate at an alarming rate, I still think it's pretty cozy.

I'd probably try to go to one of those artists' communities or something where they try to live off the grid and whatnot. But various health problems mean I need to consistently interact with mainstream society to survive. Plus, even while I kind of fantasize about this, there are probably reasons these people need to withdraw from society.

>>3762774
>Even the early hunters and gatherers stayed together in groups.
How do you know?

>>3763817
Plenty of evidence from graves and remnants of earlier societies, you can also look at hunter and gatherer societies that exist today in remote parts of jungles etc...

>>3763686
fasterchrome extension

>>3762153
>Anyone feel like dropping out of society?
every day of my life

but I'm afraid it would end in an hero

>>3762285
not sure i get this. If you buy a plot of land out in the woods, how would a company forcefully buy it off you? Eminient domain has to go through federal, sate or municpal approvel. The feds won't get involved, the state doesn't dare and ther is no municipality.

>>3762309
alec soth is dat nigga

>>3764307
>The feds won't get involved, the state doesn't dare and ther is no municipality.
I don't know what kind of land of virtue you live in, but it happens all the time where I live. If the company can promise good tax dollars by building this facility, or a person in power has good reason to, they can easily condemn some tiny little shack in the middle of the woods.