/lit/ - Literature

Get some cheap vodka and read the Sorrows of Young Werther.

>>3761994
There is no reason. Kill yourself if you have enough will to find a way to.

My dad committed suicide earlier this year. Completely ruined me. Don't do that shit. You have a long life ahead.

There isn't a reason that there's not no reason not to not commit suicide

Do it faggot.

>>3762000
thank you, anon

>>3762003
This. I'm not going to give you the sympathy you desire, OP. Kill yourself if you really want to, or don't.

>>3762003
>>3762004
Is this my inner voice on the internet

can someone at least help me counter Epicurus? “Death, the most frightening of bad things, is nothing to us; since when we exist death is not yet present, and when death is present, then we do not exist”

should I just start drinking?

>>3762016
Put something in this list

> My reasons to live :

>>3762016
But that's an uplifting statement...

>Are there any reasons not to kermit suicide?
Books, but not much more.

>It's my 20th birthday

babys second decade

It's hard to dissuade you not to when you haven't told us why you want to.

>>3762039
Without fear of dying suicide becomes a lot easier.

>>3762064
So do it.

1. Your actions will really upset several people for a while
2. There's probably a book or series or film you've been dying to experience coming out in the coming year
3. If you commit suicide, you'll die.

>>3762077
>2. There's probably a book or series or film you've been dying to experience coming out in the coming year

Is it a bad sign that this is my #1 reason for going on living? Not necessarily new books or films, just any that I haven't got round to reading/watching yet.

as someone who unsuccessfully tried to suicide (laughable, i know. it's awful.), i will say the only reason i have not done it again (with the intended result), is because it pissed my mom off. basically i live out of filial duty, since i was a resource dump for her for years upon years, and a constant source of misery and possibly joy. you can measure your tendency for curiosity and use that as a rubrik also; does your desire to find out "what is next" in the chapters of life outweigh your desire to shut the book forever and rot?

if your depression is that heavy have you tried researching every possible fucking thing to try to conquer -- or at least ameliorate -- it? even that search can keep you alive.

you clearly don't want to

im just gonna start drinking

drinking dulls the senses/existence
probably the closest I can get to dying without dying

>>3762110
she created the need for said "resources" and she fulfilled it - the two of you are even

>>3762110
>does your desire to find out "what is next" in the chapters of life outweigh your desire to shut the book forever and rot

thank you, this is the best

>>3762016
Epicurus said that death is neither good nor bad since it is neither pleasant nor painful. He also said that life, when lived right, is pleasant. Hence living is justified, but dying isn't a problem either. It's not living that is problematic, it's living wrongly.

>>3762115
Drinking as a coping mechanism will only make it worse in the long run. And in addition to that it will also dissolve your fear and boundaries, putting you in a more horrible position with less restraints to do something about it. This is Thanatos already at work in your subconscious.

OP, I'm 21 and think of suicide all day, every day. The reason I don't is because I have alcohol. Welcome to alcoholism.

>>3762969
wow that's bleak.

Not OP, but going down that path as well. Alcohol sure is good stuff. I try to avoid it for that reason, but staying sober just makes the thought of suicide even more delicious.

>>3762969
>>3762979
I'm mid twenties and I toned down the drinking because I found myself wandering the street stabbing myself. Just a heads up.

>>3762969
Bingo! You've got me down-pat. Read all day, drink all night.

Bro, do you like even actually realize how interesting the world is? First, you had this Big Band event, that created the whole of logic space. Then, among this antivoid of absolute, unconfigured essence, there came to be atomic facts, these bizarre, all-encompassing entities, each configured in a different way. Then these atomic facts - these disturbances in the antivoid - started colliding, and now you have real states of affairs forming. at the cross-sections. And that's where people come in. Minds contemplating the wondrous and unlikely combination of essence upon essence, at once infinitely complex and simple to the point of singularity. What a bizarre happening, what a miracle, being is. Don't waste it now.

>Are there any reasons not to kermit suicide?


Is there any reasons not to commit a homicide?

>>3762995

Big Bang event*

>>3762999
It might diminish your quality of life.

>>3762999
possibility of causing the government to come in and decrease your already low living standard even lower, AND making it more difficult to kermit suicide.

>>3762999
>>3762995

>big band
when dead any projected meaning or essence is absent, they dont exist without existence, if they exist to begin with.

>>3762999

Homicide is willful ignorance in regards to blatant, self-evident truths.

>>3763016

Whatever man. Removing yourself from the collective consciousness isn't my problem. It's just a foolish and whiny thing to do in the face of the happy coincidence of being.

>>3762999
is that you...... Raskolnikov?

>>3763017

But in order to commit suicide one have to kill a person (homicide), the fact that the person is yourself is incidental. You are taking a life nonetheless.

>>3763028
Homicide means one person killing a different person, read literally any definition of that word ever

I've made it through my 20s without having a single drink. It makes me feel like a social outcast, though.

>>3763041
alcoholism in the nuclear family I presume?

>>3763050

Not him, but in my case of alcoholic abstinence I can certainly say so.

>>3763026
>happy coincidence of being
>thousands of kids dying everyday, kids being raped, kids getting body parts cut off, kids being mutilated, kids being used as soldiers

Yeah no.

>>3763071
Ivan Karamazov?

It's not surprising that you feel compelled to self-murder. You are living in rebellion against your Creator, defying the guidance set forth to lead you in right paths. The wages of sin are death, and it is interesting how those who wallow in their sinfulness often feel inclined to bring this punishment upon themselves, perhaps as some subconscious acknowledgement of their wrongdoing. Your life will not be right unless you repent of your sinfulness and turn for forgiveness towards Jesus Christ, and bow down in obedience to God. Accept your intended position in life and your problems will be set right by the divine comfort only the Holy Spirit may bring to your troubled soul. Such is the only path to fulfillment in this wretched world. Tarry not in your vanity and humbly accept the Truth which calls out to you, to the emptiness in your heart and life.

>>3763071

Eh, too bad, I guess. But that's the price of existence, and I'm happy to pay it. There are still millions upon millions of kids with loving families in okay socioeconomic conditions.

Funny how in threads involving suicide, murder and general bleakness Russian literature always comes up.

>>3763086
And some of those kids grow up with horrible psyches and want to kill themselves, as seen on this board.

Face it, existence is suffering, and if you haven't realized that yet you will later. But, even if you do not suffer, you have no right to be blissfully happy while so many others suffer around you, and you just luckily escape the blow.

>>3763077
...I am currently reading it. Don't spoil anything.

>>3763094
>you have no right to be blissfully happy while so many others suffer around you
says who? lel

Existence is only partially suffering and comes with an op-out. And opt-in isn't possible, so this is the best we can do. Most people who's suffering you lament cling to life and would not rather not have been born.

Antinatalists: >>>/door/

>>3763098
Well, if you have any compassion in you, how about that? I suppose if you're extremely vapid, you're fine.

>>3763094

>life is suffering

Nah. Nothing as cool as existence could be suffering-based. Sorry man, not everyone is as immature as you are.

>>3763115
"Life's a bitch, and then you die," -Nas

The only absolute facts in life, wrapped up into that nice neat phrase.

>>3763105

Not the person you are responding to, but you don't need to carry all the weight of the world on your back.

Just mind your business. Try to make the things around you better, but always remember that, don't matter how strong you are, you can't face all the problems of the world alone.

>>3761994
camus

>>3763116

Yeah but I just don't think it's true. Existence is in a state of absolute flux, unlike the rest of the Essence. That's pretty neat.

"Life's pretty neat, and then you dissolve back into Essence" - Me.

>>3763105
and what good does being unhappy do exactly? someone with true compassion would dedicate themselves to helping, would they not? I don't lie to myself - I couldn't give less of a fuck about kids in pain beyond a shallow "oh that's so sad". If I did, I would at least try to do something about it, and the same with you. I'm literally 100% certain you are using the misfortunes of others to justify your depression, quit pretending you aren't vapid as hell

>>3763116
It's deplorable that nonsense like this has become so widely believed in this age.

>>3763136
Dude life being suffering is pretty central to most Christian churches. I think you're being a little out of character here.

>>3761994
>Killing yourself for any reason than near-total physical decimation
Jesus you fucking cowards need to man up, embrace absurdity, grasp your inherent will to power and socio-economically thrive.

Anything less is chickenshit.

>>3763121
I mean, yeah, I agree with that. I was originally just trying to use that as a way to point out how bad life can be. And then we see plenty of examples of unhappiness and suicide etc. in developed countries as well.

Basically, most evidence points to all life being suckish. I find my life to be kinda suckish. Therefore, I resent optimists.

Sorry for getting carried away. But yeah I still believe that.

>>3763050
I don't understand your reference or do I?
Alcoholism does not run in my family that I know of. It is my choice to practice temperance.

>>3763142
The sentiment of, "Life's a bitch and then you die." is not Christian. It's acknowledgment of suffering and death is not counterbalanced with the joy experienced by the redeemed and eternal bliss or torment of those in the afterlife. Our temporary stay on this Earth is often painful, and it will come to an end, but there is yet eternity beyond it.

>>3763162
Also it is a pessimistic, which is not Christian. Christianity is a religion of hope.

>>3763150
You had too many children's books read to you as a kid... the fact that life exists at all is exciting as hell whether or not it's all good stuff. People who get carried away by ethical causes or depression how much suffering there is in life don't seem to understand that no matter the suffering inflicted life is short as fuck, self-contained, and will be over soon, you're wasting your time trash talking to nobody. get over how faggy everyone told you be and seize le day retard... sigh

>>3763169
or depression or *
you to be*
I really need to proofread my posts

>>3763162
exactly. there's an eternity beyond. but this life is shitty, because humans have sinned and made it shitty. I know that's pretty implicit in Catholicism, not sure about Calvinism.

But, a major hope in most religions is that a God will come to right everything wrong with this world.

If life isn't a bitch, then why would Jesus need to die to save us? If life isn't a bitch and we are doomed to eternal death, then why would we need to be saved?

>>3763172
yeah. You do. You sound like a faggy retard.

>>3763179
got me ;D

>>3763169
Here's how this conversation is going:

>Me: Life sure does suck b/c of point a. b. c., etc.
>You: Lelel no it doesn't life is cool seize the day

>>3763174
>there's an eternity beyond

This acknowledgement is all that is necessary to understand why the sentiment in question is not Christian, as far as I see it. The statement implies a finality of death and pointlessness of life which I think is clear to most people who use it.

>>3763189
My point isn't that life "doesn't suck", but rather that it doesn't matter if "it sucks"... but the point is lost on you. I'm not arguing for the sake of convincing you anyway, enjoy your depression

>>3763197
The statement doesn't imply anything about the meaning of life or the finality of death. It just says what it says, that life's a bitch, and then you die. Which works very well in a Christian context. So, let's just agree to disagree.